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>opening cutscene talks about how there are no dragons left
>enter undead parish
>a dragon flies over
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>>323672121
WYVERN.
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>>323672121
DRAKE
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>>323672121
there are three dragons left and that isnt one of them
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>>323672330
this

kalameet, everlasting dragon, and seath are the last of their kind.
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>>323672330

What are the 3 dragons?

Seath
The one in ash lake
and kalameet?

Yeah, that would be 3.
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>>323672278
YOU USED TO
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Is it just me or does Gaping Dragon deep breath more since 1.0?
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>>323672330
>>323672464
/thread
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>>323672420
>>323672464
Kalameet took place in the past. In the present, only the Stone dragon and seath. Gaping if you count it.
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>>323672420
>Seath
Fucked that cunt last night, fuck his first fight up the ass though, I got super lucky and backed into the leftmost arena corner where I had time to figure out what the fuck was going on
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Why is Seath such a faggot, crying because he's blind, scaleless and albino.
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>>323672579
you can actually turn around and go back through the fog gate in the first Seath "fight"
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>Gerhman the first Hunter
>Ludwig was the first hunter
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>>323672579
Grats on beating the easiest boss in the game.
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>>323672565
Why not count Gaping? Its a dragon even if corrupted by it's cesspool surroundings.
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>>323672565
kalameet took place in the past but that time is still after all the dragons died off so he still counts as a survivor

>>323672634
apparently in his bigass library he read somewhere that scales are what make dragons immortal and he went insane because he didnt have any scales. Even though he was already immortal at that point because he got the Lord Soul from Gwyn

so he's not only gay, he's also literally retarded
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>>323672420
>>323672464

ITT: OP gets shrekt

Delete your thread OP, this is embarassing.
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>>323672565
Gaping is an abomination that probably has no will of its own, counting it would be like counting a rotten feral zombie as a human.
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>>323672659
I just used a rare sacrifice ring because he totally blocked me
>>323672698
Thx. 2 hours later I did the copy pasted asylum demon and centipede one, pretty ez as well
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>>323672698
>abyssal demon
>taurus demon
>chaos bed
>ceaseless discharge

all much easier than seathe. His curse lock and the fact that it's hard as shit to jump over his tails plus the swipe all make him a bitch
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>>323672741
I thought he knew about scales and immortality during the war with dragons, which made him pissy. Whatever, that faggot will get whats coming to him.
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>>323672864

Bed of Chaos is one of the hardest bosses in the game.
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That is a drake, there is also a valley full of them. But yea, there are still some dragons left that you'll eventually encounter.
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>>323672741
Scales of Immortality make Dragons invulnerable. Like the one in Ash Lake. Dragons are naturally immortal (immune to age and disease) but without scales can be killed via weapons etc. Gwyn somehow found some way to unscale them when he fought them in the past.
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>>323672741

So was Seath really scared of dying or something?
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>>323672734
>>323672783
>This axe, one of the rare dragon weapons,
is formed by the tail of the Gaping Dragon,
a distant, deformed descendant of the
everlasting dragons.
>distant, deformed descendant
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>>323672930
are you kidding me? I went into that fight having heard it was impossibly hard and muh artificial difficultly

it would have been hard if the boss reset every time you died, but all you had to do was

>run in
>hit left glowing orb
>die
>run in
>hit right glowing orb
>die
>run in
>jump into middle root
>hit heart
>win

so fucking easy
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what about the dragons in the valley of drakes? if they are not dragons why do they drop dragon scales? checkmate atheists
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>>323672864
>>323672930
I don't think it's even reasonable to classify BoC as easy or hard, because it's not even really a boss. There's some very easy methods which can barely even be classified as cheesing, and the most obvious method just involves some really awkward platforming that doesn't even really belong in the game.
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>>323673089
BoC also doesn't heal up when you die. It's a really strange boss fight. It feels so out of place with the rest of the game.
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>>323673073
>died twice
waow
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ah the WYVERN/DRAKE/DRAGON/WYRM/KIN thing shitfest
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>>323673081
That faggot Seath should have just gone there instead of betray his own race, grind some wyverns. What a retard
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>>323673073
it's worse. You can use the orb's hut as a safe haven to channel homeward bone in. Then all you do is run in and repeat twice and the boss is dead.


>>323673173
the devs likely understood it was a pispoor shit fight and nerfed her so as to make the game bearable and not make players rage quit.

You sorta can also rationalize it because it's chaos, a fake flame, and thus not sharing the same properties of the first flame: because the first flame makes zombies, the fake flame is limited to spawning demons.
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>>323672864
Gaping dragon was easiest for me
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>>323673032
His insanity comes from something he learned in one of the books. If you leave Big Hat Logan in the library long enough he finds it too and goes equally insane.

I'm guessing it's probably the truth about the dark souls prophecy and the age of dark. Seath's experiments in immortality are probably a desperate attempt at preventing being wiped out by the end of the world.
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>>323672864
I stuck Paladin Leeroy's armour on and aced Seath myself. The first few attempts he fucked me up with his curse.
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What's the lore on everlasting dragon?
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>There will never be a dragon spear
>No dragon lance
>No dragon halberd
>Tail cuts won't be a thing in DaS3
Guess it was too much like monster hunter to have tail cuts
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>>323673604

So he is basically just scared. I always thought Seath was one of the most tragic characters in the game. Gwyn basically took advantage of his self-loathing to turn him against his own kind, and now he's alone desperately trying to stop his own demise.
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>>323673915
Nah he's just a faggot, a blind, albino, flightless, retarded, faggot.
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>>323672680
>... of the church
>I am a huge retard please rape my face
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>>323674061

rude
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>World abandoned by light, where only embers remain
>Everything is sunny, fire breathing enemies, pyromancy, the entirety of the ruins.
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>>323674358
>Sunny
Where the fuck did you see that?
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Since this is a lore thread, can someone explain the basics of the Souls world?

Why is the world fucked up?
Is the entire world fucked up or are things business as usual in the rest of the world?
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Opening cinematic says no dragons, until you meet Seath, Kalameet, and Ash Lake Dragon. Idiots still think FROM has good lore. What is a contradiction for 100 dollars Alex?
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>>323674508
Uhm, everywhere that isn't the forest or a cave.
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The way I understand the Dragon Lore is that there are 3 steps to their immortality.

1) Natural Longevity
2) There everlasting scales. Stone armor that protects them from damage.
3) The Primordial Crystal. An artifact that quickly heals any damage to their scales or skin.
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>>323674679
>>323674358

the sun is a ruse
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>>323674358
>>323674679

Fake sun. Kill Gwynervere's illusion and it will be dispelled leaving the world dark.
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>>323674546

The world is fucked up because the games take place at the end of an age of fire.

The rest of the world is actually probably pretty normal and peaceful, except for the undead scourge
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>>323674620
Seattle ain't got no scales, he's a pussy not a dragon. The Ash Lake dragon was just well hidden when shit went down. That leaves, what, one dragon?

One KalaNEET of what used to be hundreds of dragons is pretty much no dragons at all.
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>>323674989
>>323675013

Only in Anor Londo.

I'm pretty sure if you kill gwen, there's still a sun in undead parish and firelink
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>>323675013
>Kill Gwynervere's illusion and it will be dispelled leaving the world dark.
Only on Anor Londo*
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So was Sinh one of the original dragons, or the descendent of some dragon on dragon loving?
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>>323675205
>DaS2
Lol the fuck outta here
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>>323674546
Gwyn started the Age of Fire by igniting the first flame. The flame is now going out, ushering in an age of darkness. From the DLC we can infer that the Age of Darkness isn't going to be good for mankind but we're assured that it's a natural part of the world regardless.

Gwyn, in desperation, burnt his soul on the fire to artificially extend its life. Now it's going out again and, in the outside world, humans find themselves with mysterious brands and immortality. This is known as the Darksign. These humans are exiled to Lordran because people fear them going hollow and fucking shit up. In Lordran they are given the mission of becoming the Chosen Undead and giving up their life to continue to prolong the age of fire like Gwyn did.
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Are the undead former humans and things like the Black Knights are something else and thus so large?

Or is the opposite true?
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>>323672121
So is DaS2 a prequel? Because there are definitely dragons in Dragon Shrine.
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>>323675494
Nope, wyverns. The big one at the end isn't even a real dragon either.
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>>323675397
Black Knights, S&O etc are another species. They're like demigods. They inhabited Anor Londo and served Gwyn. Humans lived in the burg and New Londo.
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>>323675159
> Muh distorted time.

I think they leave Undead Burg like that purely for gameplay reasons but we're supposed to infer the whole world is dark, Then again who knows.
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>>323675394

Then how does DS2 fit into this?
It's a different place but it's also dead? And nothing has changed since DS1?
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>>323675494
There's only one real dragon in DaS2, that's a live. That one is Sinh, you encounter the real Ancient Dragon in the memories of that crystal formation in Frejya's arena and get it's soul. The things in Dragon Aerie are drakes
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>>323675754
It's lordran after 3+ cycles of light and dark and near all information about whatever happened in the first game
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>>323675754
Nothing's changed because the world is in a time loop. People keep throwing themselves on the fire to buy a little more time and meanwhile countless civilisations rise and fall.
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>>323675878

The ancient dragon is a drake?

Then why does it have 4 legs?

And how come it can use telepathy?

Where do you get this info from?
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>>323672741
I disagree, in my view Lord Soul does not make you immortal, look at any Lord Soul holders.

Seath is just a mutated and messed up dragon betrayed probably because he was different exiled or something.

The crystal research is how Seath is trying to imitate the scales of dragons to become immortal and everlasting.
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>>323676449

they are immortal in terms of they will not die of natural causes, but they can be killed through violence.
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>>323672278

GOTTA LOTTA ENEMIES

THEY TRY TO TAKE THE WAAAAAVE FROM A NIGGA
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>>323676260
The Ancient Dragon in Dragon Shrine is just a creation of Aldia, its the corpse of the real Ancient Dragon you see dead in the memories. Its reanimated using the Soul of a Giant, how do I know this? I played the game and listened to the dialogue.
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>>323676615
See >>323674898

Now they can die through Natural Causes but with their Scales and the Crystal they were immortal in every sense of the word.
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>>323672783
you mean to compare with a corrupted human, not a undead human...we are not talking about dracoliches.

Gaping dragon is a corrupted dragon, still one in no shape of one. Like a deformed human. Complain to the creator or the translator, dunno.
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>>323672278
>>323672205
>>323672330
>>323672420
>>323672464
>dragon autism
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>>323675205
DaS2 didn't happen.
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>>323676982
I assumed Gaping Dragon was gravely injured but without the Primordial Crystal couldn't regen properly leaving him fucked up.
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>>323677165
DaS2 has better lore than DaS and DeS. Just saying, nigga. Just saying.
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>>323675393
>>323675205
>>323677165
>>323677614
can you guys not shitpost about ds2 for 3 fucking seconds?
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>>323677614
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>>323672121

I know Dark Souls lore is not "in your face" and that it's up to the player to discover it and make something out of it, bud did you not pay basic attention?

Hellkite dragon is actually just a very big drake. The shitty version of a dragon
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>>323672930
No, not really.

I died a few times on it, sure, but mostly because I half-assed it and just started memorizing the pattern.
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>>323673027
>Immune to disease
>Nito literally did nothing in the uprising
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>>323678058

How are you supposed to know the difference between two fantasy creatures that look the same?
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>>323674898
The scale is what make them immortal. Gwyn won the war because Seath told him you could get rid of the scales by hitting them with lighting really hard.

The primordial crystal is the result of Seath's experiment.
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>Seath's phylactery is actually a giant, crystallized bonfire

Hold the fuck up.
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>>323678254
That's magic disease. I mean they don't develop cancer.

>>323678379
The word primordial suggests it isn't something Seath made
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What are the odds of seeing the four lords in the next dark souls? I miss Nito
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>>323678912
Depends if you count their resurrections in Dark Souls 2 as being them. Stuff like the Rotten is clearly the second coming of Nito and even drops his soul but the actual Nito is long gone.

For example the Manscorpions talk about Seath having died and left them behind while a mad duke who is obsessed with transformation still very much exists.
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Would it be plausible to say the crystal slab on Freja's room you use the ashen mist heart on is Seath, or at least his remains? I always figured you were going into his memory when he and Gwyn tag teamed against the dragons.
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Why do people think Lordran and Drangleic are the same? They're nothing alike. Unless there's a timespan of millions of years between 1 and 2 that's impossible. And even then, mountains don't just disappear.
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Why can the protags only climb ladders
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>>323678360
Limb count

Drake: No wings, 4 legs
Wyvern: Wings, 2 legs
Dragon: Wings, 4 legs
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>>323672864
Taurus Demon actually rekt my shit hard until I figured out that you can just dry hump its leg. The same works with most bosses and larger enemies.
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>>323681042
Hellkite dragon has wings though
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>>323681042

>no wings

Then how does it fly?
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>>323680465
Because there's multiple counts where it's stated that Drangelic is built on the ruins of a long forgotten kingdoms etc.
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Bloodborne > DeS > DaS > DaS2

we can ALL agree on this, right?
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>>323681368
DaS>DeS=BB>DaS2
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>>323681268
>>323681169
I just checked the description for the hellkite dragon, and it apparently defines it as a drake even with the wings.

I guess source materials define the types of dragon differently.
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>>323681042

The Guardian Dragon and the others in the aerie are referred to as dragons, even though they're wyverns. Maybe Aldia just didn't know what a dragon looked like.
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>>323681042

Out of what dragon biology book did you get that?
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>>323672930
more like the worst goddamn what were they thinking
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>>323677067
>Autism
>This is literally explained via lore text/items in the game.
Nah, go fuck yourself.
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>>323681594
Some elder scrolls image floating around on /v/ maybe a few years back. Can't really vouch for its accuracy upon thinking over it once more, though.
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>>323673495
>>323673495
>homeward bone

if you save and quit, you load in front of the boss fog instead of having to run back
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