>There would be no piracy within 2 years >Now you can finally

>>323666179
>Based Denuvo
Doesn't it basically make modding impossible?

>ironically shilling for drm whose endgame is to kill modding

>>323666205
Yes, but who gives a fuck other than fixing Bethesda games you shouldn't care about in the first place?

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>>323666179
>he wasnt around times of Starforce
>he will keep making these threads

>>323666303
>Yes, but who gives a fuck
I do. Pretty much the biggest selling point of PC gaming besides 60 frames.

>tfw JC3 won't be anywhere near as fun as JC2 with mods

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>Companies can no longer cry pirates when their games sell shit

Oh I look forward to this dank new age.

>>323667107
They'll use another scapegoat, like gamergate.

>>323667107
Why? They'll just blame something else.

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>>323667107
>they cry misogyny instead

>>323666303
OP confirmed as consolefag
Stop falseflagging about pc games and denuvo

>>323666179
ask people who bought lords of the fallen, or any other game where performance and stability are tanked because of "based denuvo".

>>323667107
Tim Schafer and Chris Roberts are already blamming gamergate.

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>>323666325
this so many times

fucking neo-/v/

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I think that some chinks or russians will crack it eventually.
I remember when ACII came out with their always online DRM, the game had no crack for quite a while, until people from some russian Counter Strike community wrote a motherfucking server emulator for it.
It just needs to become large enough of a problem, where every major game uses it.

>>323666179
Nothing is uncrackable, all you need is a bored hacker and time.

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>>323666179
Good. Hopefully a large chunk of computing gets locked down completely and hacker culture gets revived.

You'll have to go free to be free.

>>323666942
roll

>>323667658
I bought lords of the fallen and MGSV. Lords of the fallen has some issues, especially when you're outdoors; MGSV runs great, no different from Denuvo-less Ground Zeroes.
My PC isn't a toaster but it isn't very strong (processor AMD 3.2, Nvidia 660 TI)

>>323667107
No now its just proof pirates are deadbeats who, if they can't get it for free, won't bother at all.

>OP too underage to remember SecuROM
>OP too underage to remember StarForce

>>323666179
>>Now you can finally clear that impossible backlog which would otherwise take a lifetime to complete
If only...
If only.

>>323666303
Fucking consolefag

>>323666325

Kek

Sadly you can't make something that is uncrackable. If math was used to secure it, it can also be unsecured.

>>323667198
>>323667746
but that shit is literally dead. At the most it's like, boards with very low activity circlejerking about e-celebs.

>>323666942
Rollin

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>>323667746
Gosh DANG those FREAKIN GooberGumbys!!!! MAN they steam me up!!!

>>323666179

I've been reading on 2ch that sony is planing to introduce Denuvo to Japanese Windows porn games developers in the past couple of weeks.

scary

>>323666179
Denuvo will be broken like everything else.
It's just that someone has to step up and take the challenge.

>>323666179
How did it work again?

>>323666179
>designed to work by protecting existing DRM solutions, such as Origin

oh no, I can't pirate Origin anymore

>>323667264
>they'll start shoehorning shitty written token female characters that is supposed to be the "main draw" and "heart" of their casts/characters
>if it sells badly, they'll just use her as a shield and cry misogyny

>>323666179
>There would be no piracy within 2 years

I doubt everygame in the past is gonna get Denuvo.
I also doubt that consoels that is now piratable and can be emulated getting denuvo.

So, yeah...

>>323671274
Denuvo is expensive as fuck.

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>tfw I personaly know someone who has hacked it
>tfw hes just waiting for the right time to relaese it
kek

Everything gets cracked eventually

>>323668379
Asscreed DRM fiasco had crack since day one.
There was no downtime on pirating that game.

>>323671426

I wonder if it was worth it for the games that sold like crap and eventually still got cracked. Like Mad Max and LotF.

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>>323666325

Why not ? OP is right in that this denuvo trend should make people stop caring about shitty yearly release and instead appreciate the old gems in their backlog.

I still haven't even start playing pic related. Hopefully things will slow down soon so I can.

>>323666205

I've also heard that it causes actual damage to SSD hard drives. Till they fix that shit I'll forever refuse to buy anything with denuvo in it.

>>323672973
Probably.
I don't think it's that hard to break even with video games.

>>323673090

It was "proven" wrong by Denuvo basically saying nuh uh.

>>323673115

Breaking even means you're losing your fucking business. Profit drives new projects.

>>323666179
Why would drm affect your backlog?

>>323673274
>Breaking even means you're losing your fucking business
Breaking even means you can exist for another project, losing money means that you're fucked.

>>323673090
SSD's are trash hardware anyway and you shouldn't buy them. They have a limited number of reading and writing processes until they break, wheras THEORETICALLY an HDD can last forever.
If I'm not mistaken Denuvo basically does something to check for integrity within the actual DRM system while the game is running.

>>323671838
You cant even fucking type let alone know a hacker

>>323666205
>make modding impossible
Mods for JC3 one week after it's released but Avalanche wanted the game to be moddable so I think it's normal.

But Denuvo damages your HDD

>>323673627

>Breaking even means you can exist for another project, losing money means that you're fucked.

Yeah, you exist but you sure as shit can't fund bigger, better projects. I doubt devs love being stuck in a loop of making shitty games over and over again.

Look at Platinum. If they didn't have so many publishers sucking their cock with licensed games and shit, they'd have gone down under a long time ago. Breaking even is not a sustainable business practice. The point of a business in the first place is to create something and make a profit off of it.

>>323666179
>Intrusive DRM that reduces games performance and optimisation

Ayyy lmao.

Theres a reason people are avoiding these games that use this.
Take a look at the whole incident with Batman Arkham Knight,

>>323673840
>Breaking even is not a sustainable business practice
Neither is constant growth, your rate of growth will always approach zero.

>>323673274
>It was "proven" wrong by Denuvo basically saying nuh uh.
It was stated by Lord of the Fallen devs that it harms you HDD.

And by the way I'm retty sure that you'll be defending your product if it's harm you customers. Denuvo's devs ville never admit something that will make them lose money

>>323674124
>It was stated by Lord of the Fallen devs that it harms you HDD.
Source?

>>323674124
>HDD
No.
It doesn't harm an HDD, how would it even do that?
Unless it somehow employs an extreme privilege escalation exploit that gives it direct hardware access, it can't actually damage an HDD.

>>323666942
Allahu akbar

>>323674453
What he is actually referring to is the claim, which so far is unfounded that Denuvo continually writes to SSDs, therefore wearing them out of solid state memory only has a finite number of writes.

>>323675705
Yes, I know.
SSDs.
What did he say? Semantics matter.

>strong piracy means time to clear backlog
I like you OP
Great minds, negroido

>>323675784
Semantics matter yes, and if you look closely he also made spelling mistakes so he probably didn't double checked before posting.

>>323675784
I'm agreeing with you, I was just pointing out that he probably meant SSDs

>>323666179
>NEW INVINCIBLE DRM, THIS TIME IT TRULY IS INVINCIBLE YOU GOTTA BELIEVE ME

>>323673807
The only mod JC3 is getting is the MP mod.
If you requiere a script extender, and thus tinkering with the game's launcher, you are fucked.

Who cares, the golden age of console piracy has begun with the 3DS getting blown wide open, Wii U getting an exploit and the discovery that it uses the same keys as the 3DS, and PS4 getting Linux installed on it.

>>323676864
You should go over jc3mods then. There new weapons and such since the game's release

>>323676864
MP mod is an "official" mod anon that will be released on Steam, I meant mods made by normal people

>>323666942
Ok.

>>323668997
So in other words they were never a lost sale to begin with since they weren't going to buy your game?
Sounds about right.

>>323671838

Is it that one kid at school who's dad works for microsoft.

>>323666325
>he wasnt around times of Starforce
Neither were you, obviously. Accusation on starforce were never proved true. The lawsuit was dropped due to lack of evidence, nobody got the $1.000 for proving it did destroy optical drives.

>>323678662

And yet nobody uses Starforce anymore. Or TAGES for that matter, another fucking blight.

>>323673627
>SSD's are trash hardware anyway
So in other words, Denuvo DOES fuck them?

>>323678848
Yes, but that's independent of Denuvo.

>>323678792
>And yet nobody uses Starforce anymore.
Because it got bad reputation. Ubisoft removed it from their games under pressure from players, who believed all the bullshit around it.
Meanwhile steam bullshit has great reputation despite being shit, unsafe and invasive. Go figure...

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i just googled & found that starforce took a year to crack

denuvo r the devs behind starforce

took a year to crack

longest denuvo protected a game was a few months

3dm arent even the best in the game...also a fuckin woman said pirscy will be dead in 2 years

99% denuvo will b forgotten coz by then it'll be cracked wide open

>>323673627
>They have a limited number of reading and writing processes until they break, wheras THEORETICALLY an HDD can last forever
they can't, theoretically or otherwise, you fucking mongoloid. they're mechanical, there is wear. they are inevitably going to break from usage or being exposed to the environment. they even rate how long hdds will last on average just like they do with flash ram

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>>323666179
>DENUVO pays million to pirate group to make a tweets
>everyone think its genuine

everything is lies, denuvo is powerfull because they paying certain pirategroup to slow their cracking to make it appear uncrackable

>>323679760
This

>>323673310

Because our backlog's origins lie with piracy itself.

I guess I will make my decision based on history, whether the devs or the pirates will win.

Hmm...

>>323680272

The only ones that "win" are the ones that make good games. Good games sell, DRM or not, piracy or not.

>>323680389
Sorry, I should've specified that I meant anti-piracy devs such as the Denuvo lads in my smugpost

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>>323666179

>praising denuvo in any fucking way
>small ass company
>all their work and approach on this protection could be revealed in no time by hackers
>no piracy in 2 years

DRM is the worst shit that happened to games.
I understand if you use this protection on some software that is business related but video games ?
Companies actually pay a third party to protect their content because of fear.
Games run worse and use more recources, consumers are annoyed as fuck and refund their game.
Sometimes even forced to be always online, its all bullshit.
Denuvo got cracked on both 32 and 64bit version since the first game that used it came out.
There is no magic behind the protection its always will be possible to crack it, only a matter of time and focus from the scene members.
The witcher 3 didnt had any DRM and sold more than any game in 2015, guess how many times it got pirated ?
Cant remember one single protection that lasted for so long that it became relevant.

>>323682749
I'm convinced DRM is some carnival style sideshow to appease shareholders just so producers and devs can say their doing something about piracy regardless of how effective it actually is.

>muh securerom
>muh starforce
the scene wasn't dead back then.
all we have now are money-grubbing chinks piggybacking off a one-off scene exploit.

>>323679670
>they're mechanical, there is wear
Yes, but far less than there is on SSDs.

>they are inevitably going to break from usage or being exposed to the environment
Here's the thing.
The discs are near indestructible, as long as you're not actively trying to destroy them.

The stylus and the other parts might break, but they are replaceable.

>>323666179
low bait thread again
the most problematic thing about cracking is not denuvo it is that the debuggers for x64 code are currently in shit state and need forever and create even more junk code thats all
>also taking statements as facts
typical yellow press stuff
and also the sign of beinf mentally challenged

>>323687179
>the most problematic thing about cracking is not denuvo it is that the debuggers for x64 code are currently in shit state and need forever and create even more junk code thats all
If I was making a copy protection, I'd look for bugs in analysis tools and make sure my system crashes them all.

>>323666942
..

>>323666179
>666
how much do they pay you shill
check this 7

>>323685208
i think you should read up on how SSDs have progressed because there is absolutely no possible way you're reaching your SSDS write limit before a HDD will inevitably fail, you'd have to write well over 200 terabytes per year (580 gigs per day) for 10 years to get a modern SSD to fail

>>323690005
>before a HDD will inevitably fail
Then you go buy an identical one and put in a new stylus.
The discs last forever.

>>323690143
your SSD will not fail due to reaching its write limit unless you're specifically writing terabytes of data per day, this is not how normal people use their hard drives so telling random people that their SSD will fail because of a write limit is nonsense, it will not happen.

>>323690693
SSDs don't just have a write limit, reading processes factor towards the limit as well.
Think about how an SSD works and you'll see that it has to be this way.

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>>323666179
I'm going to screencap your post, then pirate a game in two years and make a thread calling you a faggot.

>>323666179
ITT: shills and retards

>>323673040
OP is wrong, you're both faggots and bioshit infinite is shit

>>323666179
I DID IT AGAIN MOM, I JUST TOLD EM...
go away you shill, no once is scared

>>323683750
fucking this.
i think its more important to themselves than us.

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>>323666179
remider.....

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>>323691837

Chill your buttblast. We know you must be tired from your journey from reddit but everyone's welcome here.

>>323683750
It also gives a reason to instill more consumer ability-limiting control and potential spyware to be used for further exploitation and transacting in the future.

Which of course they'll simplify and re-name to sound appeasing to most consumers, despite the hard disk damage, no mods or offline allowed, optimization/performance issues, general invasiveness, etc.

>>323673982

Tell that to the shareholders.

>>323693996
They know and they don't really care.
They're just gonna back out of it when it gets there.

>>323666179
I use an SSD, so I refuse to install any game that uses Denuvo.

>>323666179

That's what they say about polygraphs being unbeatable too.

Passing those is easy as fuck.