From, considering demons souls is pretty much the closest thing we got, thematically to a berserk game. Having said that, dragon's Dogma came very very close to feeling like an actual berserk game so there's that too.
>>323662423 Respectfully disagree. Guts fighting style, while fast, is not particularly flashy, he's about quick brutality and raw strength, which clashes with platinum style games of fast, flashy combat with relatively low damage output per hit
>>323662759 Have you read berserk? Pre-berserk armor guts still moves around like a fucking gymnast while swinging around a 6' slab of metal. Its faster than anything From has incorporated into their games.
>>323662759 Nigga you stupid. He fights with incredible agility with his dragon smasher even without the armor. The whole saga with the priest (forgot his name like a pleb) has him tear into hordes of enemies singlehandedly
Not to the extent of Platnium's fighters. Think about how they fight.
>Quick slashes fast as fuck, fast moves from person to person, and combo attacks up the ass Guts is more about jumping in, using one, immense strike, and slicing through the enemy right away. Unless it's an apostle, in which case he fucking dodges and uses other attacks to get an opening for the sword strike.
Even in the Farnese/Neo Eclipse arc he does more large, sweeping attacks instead of super fast attacks.
>>323663064 Speaking of which, Serpico would make more sense to me. He has the thin sword, going fast is his thing, and he can still push Guts to his limits in terms of speed.
From could never do it since a Berserk game would have to be really fast paced while also having the player face hordes of enemies at once. From games are pretty slow in comparison and they are more about slow tactival movement.
>>323663659 There is a fansub patch. The problem is that the game is broken on emulators, you will have to switch between hardware mode and software mode every cutscene or your hud will dissapesr/the cutscene will just be a black screen. If you can stomach that it's a great game.
FROM cause their captian is the biggest berserk fanboy and they know how to change the speed of their souls-like combat and could combat for a berserk game. Also look up the majestic greatsword from dark souls 2.
>>323662905 >guts was always fast as fuck >>323663103 >Guts is not slow and lubering, he's fast as fuck. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI3Z9A6hmeA Greatswords in 3 are a lot faster. And this is in a build that didn't allow leveling up so you could hypothetically make the attacks even faster in the final game when you're able to upgrade stats.
>>323666652 I remember as a kid getting this game and giving up on it about 15 minutes in because there was this QTE and it was like my first time seeing a QTE and my attention span was fairly low so I thought buttons were random, so I just gave up after two tries and never played again.
>>323666137 Not him but the idea of this thread is to decide how to make a perfect berserk game based on what we know about the developers. By that logic of yours every developer is a potential candidate.
Considering what we know, From would do the better job at world building. No one can argue that. But in the combat mechanics department From falls short. That said, yes, if From was told to make a Berserk game they would probably have a different approach to combat.
>>323666986 >>323666986 >By that logic of yours every developer is a potential candidate. Nice slippery slope, but you've completely ignored, or missed my entire point, you clearly have no idea for my reasoning, and just parroted "by that logic" like a fucking retard that you are.
>But in the combat mechanics department From falls short. Playing Souls games doesn't qualify as an expert on whether or not FROM can make a good Berserk game, You're also confusing combat speed and combat Mechanics, the Mechanics are fine, the only issue you people have is with speed, and you assume they can't make games faster than souls because you've only ever played souls.
Broaden your horizons before you argue about things you don't understand, and don't presume you understand people's logic or reasoning since you just come off as an idiot.
>>323667217 >Nice slippery slope Nice ad hominem(s), I guess. >fucking retard here >idiot and here.
>you've completely ignored, or missed my entire point That point being? Because the only point I can see is "From made BB faster than DS, so they can make a Berserk game, by making BB/DS but faster". Which is entirely wrong because you think a Berserk game would suffice by being faster and not changing or adding new mechanics to combat.
>Playing Souls games doesn't qualify as an expert on whether or not FROM can make a good Berserk game You seem to be an expert yourself though.
>You're also confusing combat speed and combat Mechanics No, I'm not. >don't presume you understand people's logic or reasoning since you just come off as an idiot
>the only issue you people have is with speed My issue is that even though DS/BB games might have some part of the combat covered, it doesn't cover other parts. I assume you have read Berserk so you know Guts sometimes does things in combat that cannot be even remotely emulated in any current From-made games. Some examples are posted in the thread, if I'm not mistaken.
>and you assume they can't make games faster I clearly stated that From could make a game as fast-paced as it was needed if they were given the job to make a Berserk game, though.
>before you argue about things you don't understand I still wonder what makes you an expert.
>>323662905 Fast as fuck? Fuck no. He was comparatively fast to other people wielding greatswords, sure, but it's his brute strength in particular that makes him so scary. While any light and nimble opponent is able to avoid his attacks, assuming they know his style in advance, they wouldn't be able to actually fight him, since getting near him would get them rekt. He's too fast to have many openings, but not fast enough to outspeed actual fast people.
>>323664518 The writer of Berserk decided to slow down the pace right as Guts got on a pirate ship to travel to his destination. This led to months between chapters making guts stuck on a boat for years.
>>323668146 > Calling out your bullshit grasping at straws doesn't make an ad hominem, you clearlly don't know shit about logical fallacies either. > You're guessing again, faggot. > Because I've played their games since mid 90's when they started, just because you're ignorant don't assume everyone else is. > First of all stating a fact, which is that you cannot tell a difference between speed and mechanics,isn't "presuming you understand someone's reasoning" its pointing out a clear flaw, which is if you knew the difference between mechanics and speed you would have said speed, since mechanics are fine. But what would I expect form someone who's reply is literally "no u"? > Again you're aruging that they couldn't make a Berserk game because souls games aren't a Berserk game, which is retarded, your argument is literally "I can't do shit guts does in souls games" > No, you said they would do it "differently" which in itself is an empty statement since they never made a berserk game before, there's nothing to compare to exactly, You're just being being a pedantic little shit with a heavy contrarian streak. > I don't know why you keep asking what makes me an expert, since you're so quick to point out ad hominem why are you so hellbent on basing your argument around using it yourself? Like I've said, unlike a little hipster shit like you, I've actually played their games, not just the lelsounique shit that you niggers are jerking to, they can actually make fast games, they can make games with complex moves, and they can make games centered around combat mechanics, but go on, scream some more logical fallacies and try to measure your dick against me, faggot.
>>323668735 sorry, he never defeated Griffith nor Serpico right? >3 fast 5 guts he is way faster than common soldiers with common swords as it was already showed here refrain yourself to reply with the same shit for the 3rd time on a 2h old post next time
>>323668834 >Calling out your bullshit grasping at straws doesn't make an ad hominem You don't need to insult for calling out "bullshit". Talk about grasping at straws. The problem with parroting fallacy 'counter-arguments' is that the one doing it normally tends to throw one or two fallacies himself without even noticing. >You're guessing again I already asked what your point was but you don't seem to want to answer. Not like there was any point in that post, anyways. >faggot Calling on my bullshit again I see. >Because I've played their games since mid 90's when they started Playing their most outdated games (read: outdated mechanics) makes you an expert in knowing if From would make a better Berserk game? Even if those outdated mechanics would have zero effect in the game because, well, they are outdated? I fail to see what makes you an expert in game development after playing a bunch of games. >First of all stating a fact You clearly didn't, since you were wrong and I gave a CLEAR explanation of why you were wrong. >you cannot tell a difference between speed and mechanics Same as before, I made a clear differentiation between speed and mechanics. The one who seems to not understand this is you. >Again you're aruging that they couldn't make a Berserk game This is getting old pretty fast. I already said that if From were told to make a Berserk game, they would make it just fine. >No, you said they would do it "differently" No I said they would have a different approach to combat and would make it fast paced, since the combat in their current gen games wouldn't fit too well. I don't even know why you are arguing if you can't even read posts. You seriously think you are going to spit some bullshit about a post that I wrote myself and I'm not going to notice it? >I don't know why you keep asking what makes me an expert Because you were 'mocking' me for not being an expert, while acting like an expert yourself. You wonder why I asked for credentials?
>>323670490 >>323668834 You know what, forget this. You were right, or won the argument or whatever it is you are looking for. I don't want to argue with someone that is going to constantly throw insults, beat around the bush with answers and not going to address the points I'm making because it's basically a monologue like that. I'll add 'From apologists' to the list of people to avoid like the plague because they are too stubborn (and too childish, considering) to have a proper talk with. I'm too tired for this shit. I'm out.
FROM would probably do a good job with the dark fantasy atmosphere, but the combat would be too clunky. I think the developers behind Darksiders could pull it off though. The PS2 and DC games feel a bit like that.
I'm just guessing that they want the combat to feel more visceral than your typical character action game. I think they could do a game through the golden age arc easily. It's not like they're incapable of getting a little cuhrazy either.
>>323670889 >You were right, or won the argument or whatever it is you are looking for. Oh god this passive aggressive bullshit makes me want to strangle you, fuck off you castrated sack of shit, literally fucking die.
Tell you what, bitch, when you can have an argument without screaming ad hominem and pretending to know what people are thinking, then judge me or anyone else, until then, shrivel off into that inbred womb you crawled the fuck out from.
>>323672029 It's not just about the player character, which FROM might be able to handle. But you'd also want meaty enemies with a lot of variety that can be chopped into parts. You don't see much of that aside from boss body parts, which cause the whole boss to instantly switch animations and does not look fluid at all.
>creator is bored with berserk >halfheartedly releasing every so often >"welp i've had enuff of this turkey just gonna wrap it up" >cue naruto ending >single page of guts sieging griffith's castle and skewering him >guts and casca kiss >"20 yrs later" >old guts is looking on his son Pippin >"I'm gonna be a great warrior like YOU dad!" >old guts smiles >the end
>>323673119 I didnt like the fact that you could only cut damaged enemies. First you beat them with your form sword and then they just turn to butter. Still a fun game but I couldnt get into it. That original prototype Kojima studios made looked infinitely more fun
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