>>323654881 They would probably be entirely indifferent. It looks like a mediocre first person shooter with monster hunter progression and a tacked-on sports game. AKA fucking uninspired bullshit.
The only reason this game got past the idea phase is because they thought they could slap the name "Metroid" on it and it'd sell, because desperate fans. If it was a standalone game with its own title, it'd get no support. Sadly, they made a shitty arrogant move by branding it Metroid and people who actually care about games got mad.
>>323654881 >Otherwise, they would be creaming their pants Honestly this game looks terrible regardless of what name they give it. Graphics are piss poor even for 3DS standards, stylization is terrible, gameplay is shallow and slow as hell. Fans would be only about half as mad as they are if they got a spin-off that looks good.
>>323654881 The game wouldn't even get attention from gamers if not for the Metroid name. It's doomed from the start, but at least this way they'll sell a few more copies to Metroid fans who'll buy it because it has Metroid in the title.
>>323655782 I'm going to guess that it's because it's being made for NX and they still want to pretend that Wii U and 3DS aren't dead so they aren't going to act like they already have tons of shit planned for NX.
They should probably just give up the act because it's just making them look incompetent and stuck in a drought with nothing in sight.
>>323656624 Yeah but that was just mixed reviews. The case this time is something they've been working on was shown off for the first time and got a shitton of hate just for the idea. Like it had no chance at all.
>>323656624 It got mixed reactions but good sales so I doubt they're unhappy with the performance.
Fed Force seems like an unwinnable situation for them, though. They could make a fucking awesome game but Metroid fans are crazy and will hate it on the principle that it's not a "true" Metroid game, and the Metroid name itself isn't really strong enough to carry the thing to a lot of other people.
They'd better hope this thing reaches some new audience outside of longtime Metroid fans because that's about all they've got, and I doubt Nintendo will help them reach those people given how bad they've been with stuff like this in the past.
>>323657198 Silent Hill is dead, along with every other Konami series, and pachinko is all they have left. Fed Force is just a spin off that will have no effect on anything and attributing anything more to it than that is being paranoid.
>>323657264 That was before Other M drove Metroid fans insane.
>"If we tried to do this last year without announcing what Bethesda Game Studios was doing [Fallout 4 for consoles and PC] and said, 'Oh we're doing a game and it's on mobile and it's called Fallout Shelter,' we'd probably get lynched, right? There would be pitchforks at the gate. 'That's not the Fallout we asked for, you bastards!'
>But doing it this way, they're like, 'I'm getting what I want and oh, by the way, while I wait here's this other free thing that's fun to play.' So part of it is just how do we not get ourselves killed and make it a success? This felt like the better version of that."
You know Nintendo is really out of touch when even Bethesda has a better understanding of how consumers think and behave.
>>323657462 It's sad that fans have to be treated this way.
Like they can't grasp the concept that a tiny shit spinoff takes so little time and effort that it might get done before the big one and just released as a "in the mean time" thing and for some reason think the tiny thing is taking away their big thing. But I guess it just goes to show you have to assume the least of your audience if you want a positive reaction.
Honestly I don't think Federation Force itself isn't the problem, it's everything surrounding it going on at Nintendo, FF was just the tipping point.
I know people joke about how Nintendo is just kiddie'fying every franchise they have, and allthough I think that's hyperbole it still has a grain of truth in it. So it's a bit of a sore subject. In the mainstream eye Nintendo is now seen as the "kiddie console" after the Wii happened. Metroid however always symbolized the bit darker, more mature side of Nintendo, for lack of better words.
FF was just this sort of nail in the coffin for a lot of Nintendo fans I think, that Nintendo rather would focus on younger generations and a more family friendly image over their older fans. They will take their older franchises and try to make them more accessible to everyone. I mean, I probably can't blame them since I doubt stuff like W101 and Bayonetta 2 sold well. But it's a shame. I think if they focused on their older fans and made Nintendo "cool" again with the grown-ups, younger generations would come automatically.
I'm an idort and I've been going at Nintendo since the early Sega days. This doesn't have anything to do with "Nintendrones". The game looks pretty good in my book. I'm gonna check it out and judge after the game is out. Hating something blindly is just as bad as following it.
I just don't understand why Nintendo is so fixated on putting out shit no one wants
>Tomodachi Life >Smash Bros on the 3DS which gimped the console version >Paper Mario with stickers >A million Fire Emblem sequels, including one that takes place in modern Japan somehow? >A million Fire Emblem characters >A fucking Tekken and Pokemon crossover >Twilight Princess HD >A Mario Party sequel that doesn't even factor in the board game element anymore >Starfox with wii graphics
There are literally two things people want from Nintendo at this point: a Mario 64 sequel and a Zelda game, and Nintendo refuses to supply either of these, why?
Why does Nintendo so blatantly refuse to do anything people want them to make? Even the NX is going to have a gimmick even though people are sick of them
>>323657942 >it would probably look like fun if it wasnt hated on by the retarded Metroid fanbase Oh sorry, I should turn off my ability to make everyone see thegame as slowly clunky and dull. Wait it isn't working cause that is what the game is
>Its for the 3Ds so what do you expect? A good game that looks nice despite technical limits like other 3ds games?
>>323658148 >mainline Why is his relevant? It's a spin-off, it's not replacing some non-existent "real" Metroid game. It was a shelved project from years ago they for some reason thought needed to finally be finished.
Samus is in the game anyway, after so many people whined Nintendo confirmed it.
>>323658109 it was garbage, there was some interesting things but the fact that combat was beyond awful + puzzle solving ruined it completely. The game actually had so many faults, it didn't focus on story but only had six worlds.
>>323658061 >Nintendo is so fixated on putting out shit no one wants >Tomodachi Life >Smash Bros on the 3DS which gimped the console version
Except Tomodachi Life is the 9th best selling 3DS title at around 4.5 million copies sold. What Metroid game even comes close to this number? And Smash is the 7th best selling 3DS title, nearly doubling the sales of its Wii U counterpart. Fire Emblem is also more popular than ever.
You don't understand because you're more out of touch with what people want than Nintendo apparently.
>>323658605 >Stop stating facts about how spin offs can have an effect! Strawman. Literally no one believes this game will somehow spawn a dozen sequels. If it did not exist, we would not have a different game in its place, this was a shelved DS game not something fresh they thought up in place of another possible Metroid game.
>>323658530 It's like saying something is nice, it doesn't mean anything but a general positive.
>>323658715 You can't even read my post now and are just having a hissy fit, poor little nintoddler. This game doing badly can also effect metroid but hide under your blanky and pretend spin offs exist in a nebulous space
Why bother changing it? The only reason to change it is to try to mitigate the PR disaster that it became and try to convince people that they listen to their input, but there's no way they can change it enough to make those same people want to buy it. Just push it out and let it die.
>>323654593 They didn't even need to do that. If they had just made Nurse Samus or whatever dumb puzzle spin off with a cute chibi samus the reaction would have been a million times better. Some wouldn't be happy still but most would let it slide as metroid fans have gotten use to waiting for new games
But instead we get something that looks like dog shit and only the blind NDF can't see it
>>323658878 Here's the truth: This game is not Persona. It is much smaller scale than that. It's clearly just some shit being thrown together in the mean time. Nintendo was not presented with the decision to make Metroid 5 or this. That was not an option. This game is not taking the place of the game you want so badly.
And I know you think nintoddler is a good fallback but I don't even think this game looks good. I just think you're stupid if you think it has to be destroyed or that it's taking the space of something else.
>>323659323 >We have no idea how to make Metroid interesting so we're not making any Except that's not the reason. Sakamoto's still in charge of Metroid, so if you're getting another main series title it's Other M 2. He doesn't even want to make that because Tomodachi Life sold more the twice as many copies as the average Metroid game.
>>323659645 Here's the truth. Two bad games in a row for a smaller franchise is not a good thing. But muh spin off means fuck all, spin offs do not exist in some other place where no one looks at them, on the books it comes up as a metroid game.
There are no known plans for another metroid game, no one is saying this is replacing a game that is something you have made up here but we do know that this is the only known metroid title in the works. People do not want this shit pile, the franchise doesn't need another failure.
>>323659771 This. I bet most Metroid "fans" bitching about FF in here are pirate fags who have never even bought a single Metroid game. If you want to see a sequel, you should at least support the franchise that you claim to love so much.
>>323659120 >I won't explain but you have to logic there
It looks terrible even for a 3DS game, the main mode is a slow clunky trying to heard one monster into a cage which didn't allow for much smart team work. The weapon choices made fuck all difference. The football mode couldn't have been more unhype and just seems liek a shitty version of rocket league
>>323659924 >no one is saying this is replacing a game that is something you have made up here Are you being serious? So many of the complaints were "Why isn't this a real Metroid game" much of the hate comes from the fact that this was announced instead of something else.
>>323659771 He's in charge of whether we get one or not. He is a Section Manager now so don't expect him to be very involved with another mainline game's development. Katsuya Yamano is the guy who will Produce & Direct the next mainline Metroid. Sakamoto is in a position similar to Gunpei Yokoi with Super Metroid where he wasn't really involved at all with the game's development just deciding to let the game's development continue or cancel it. Also expect a new Writer for the mainline games too.
>>323660127 So what? There are old fags in here who bought every game on release since the NES/SNES and then got the games again as rereleases and Virtual Console roms. I bet many people in this thread played the games on emulators, then turn around and start crying that there aren't more Metroid games coming. If you don't know, the series has always sold pretty badly. If you don't want it to die, you should support it.
>>323659771 Ninty let Retro have a go with Metroid with great results, there is no reason they won't do it again. It helps that Sakamoto doesn't want to work on Metroid right or would do something completely different with it.
And since FF got such a "mild" reception to say the least, Nintendo will be more reluctant to try something different again, especially for the main games. Thus the chances of Sakamoto to make the next game are pretty low.
>>323654472 >a Nuts and Bolts situation The hyperbole here is painful. There's going to be new Metroid games and Federation Force is clearly just some cute little Prime spinoff they attached Next Level to. Anyone who looked at this and thought "THIS IS METROID FROM NOW ON" is a fucking moron.
>Metroid doesn't sell well >spin the concept into a 3D shooter >doesn't sell well >spin the concept into a collab with TK >doesn't sell well >spin the concept into a handheld multiplayer game >gets shit on at launch Time to take Samus out back and give her the F-Zero treatment.
If they speed up the flow of the game I'll get it. It just looked so slow, a lot of trudging around without encountering much before slowly running away from a boss and shooting. Maybe it was just early stages of development and the final thing will feel more involved.
>>323660684 That's good, bro. I'm not jelly. I bought all of the Prime games on release myself. I even own two copies of Echoes. And you know what? I'm not even a big fan of Prime. I prefer the 2D games but you don't see me sperging out, crying that Nintendo should make the game that I personally want the most (a sequel to Super/Fusion) or fuck off.
>>323660721 It kind of does, while Sakamoto decides if a Metroid game is created or not, with him being a Section Manager, he is no longer needed for the game to be developed he just gives the green light for the game's development. This definitely not a demotion but a promotion, either way less Sakamoto Producing, Directing, & Writing the game the better.
Here is the website where I got the info.
Sakamoto is number 005 his team is EPD8 is number 014
>>323661103 >you don't see me sperging out, crying that Nintendo should make the game that I personally want the most Me either! Funny how that works. I just think it looks like shit, but no, we gotta have this whole "everyone who disagrees with me is crying and salty" meme.
>>323660093 The logic is that with so little information about it, it's hard at this stage in time to say that it is terrible, and you are a faggot for doing so.
But how can I say the game is gonna be fun?The game's co-op concept seems interesting, and considering it was just announced at the time, it looked pretty good and fun with friends. That's why you need to show me why it's bad.
First of all, the gameplay did not feel slow, or clunky. I don't know where you got that from.
Second, you are, once again, judging the game as if it's coming out just after they showed the trailer and Treehouse video. How do you know it's not gonna allow for smart teamwork? How do you know weapon changes make fuck all difference?
Why, if I remember correctly Splatoon looked boring as ever when it was announced, and at release it transformed into something fun and good.
>>323661143 Recent interviews had Sakamoto stating he wanted to take Metroid to new directions, basically gloating in Tomodachi's success and paraphrasing that he wanted to reach a broader audience. So unless he was off his pills I'd say he intents to have a hand in whatever Metroid game he'll be involved in.
>>323660983 >There's going to be new Metroid games  Vidya "journalists" making a clickbait article every year about a new Metroid being in the making just because Shiggy said he liked the franchise and was hoping for more games is NOT a valid source.
And if we do get new Metroid games, there is no guarantee they will be what people want and not Other M 2.
>Pretty much the only Nintendo series that has an actual timeline fuck you zelda doesn't count they're always skipping all over the place for indeterminate amounts of time and it barely affects anything >Post Fusion >Metroids are done for unless they decide to pull "oh we had some spare Metroid DNA lying around hehehe" for a third goddamn time. >Ridley is SUPER perma-dead and I don't see him coming back without a major asspull. >Space Pirates are so blown the fuck out they're kept as non-sentient research subjects in labs now.
I think one of the problems Nintendo is having is they just don't know where the fuck to go from there. They'll either need to do more mid-sequels like Prime and Other M or come up with some new antagonist like Gorea, and who the fuck cared about Gorea? No one, that's who.
and i doubt nintendo will ever go the "the government is evil now" route that a lot of people think they should
>every second game released on steam today is a Metroidvania >people are thirsty for games like that and keep buying these shitty knock-offs >both Nintendo and Konami too stupid to capitalize on the demand
>>323661879 If they tried to go with that angle then there's not much they can do other than evil Samus clones, which Fusion already kind of had with SA-X, or making Samus the enemy and introducing a new protag, which seems like an especially awful idea.
>>323662213 Sakamoto: "When she absorbed the core of the SAX (the perfect condition of Samus), she basically reconstituted her genetic condition. She didn't recover the physical damage of her amputated suit, but she did recover her genetic condition."
What's frustrating is that Federation Force is a good idea.
Seriously, I remember people talking about the idea of a federation soldier spin off years ago. Folks saying how it could play like Republic Commando or something similar.
They just got the entire feel and atmosphere wrong. I kind of get why they went with the whole "chibi" artstyle. It's easier, I guess. I mean I see tons of 3DS games using it instead of actually going the effort to design something harder, but it doesn't work when 10 years ago (10!) we had a gorgeous looking Metroid game on the original DS that pulled off more ambitious designs.
>>323662395 It doesn't help the game just doesn't look very enjoyable. Co-op shooters have been common fr ages now and even co-op shooter monster huntery things aren't new. This just doesn't look like a good one, nothing about trying to get that dumb snow monster in a cage looked like it needed good team work, smart play that let you pull of cool things or just anything really
Fed Force looks shit, but it would be fine if we had confirmation that a new Metroid were on the way. I don't want this series to die like all the others. I don't want it to be devoured whole by the Mario Monster.
>>323662276 Yes and no. It wasn't stated in the game (though how the fuck else would Samus use the ice beam at the end?) so they could just pretend the interview didn't happen and nobody would be the wiser.
However, pulling that stupid deus ex machina at the end just to get rid of a plot element that had become a bother just goes to show how little Sakamoto is commited to writing, lore and that particular element. He didn't think much about Samus having Metroid genes. It was the thingamagik that made her absorb X and fear the SA-X's ice beam. A vague story justification to some gameplay features. Nothing more.
God knows he wouldn't sully his waifu with body mutations. The whole "metroid genes" thing is probably tied to how little he understand how vaccines work.
Sorry if you thought he was going somewhere interesting with that Plugging your ears and chanting it's not cannon won't fix it.
>>323662896 Or Sakamoto wanted to make Fusion's Sequel play more like a classic Metroid. Purple energy capsules, missile capsules, & power bomb capsules like the classics. Plus it would also mean less story restrictions screwing with the gameplay of Metroid 5. I was fine with the Metroid DNA being gone. Makes for a far less linear Metroid game.
>>323663341 I wish he was but Nintendo, The only praise I give him is for the removal of the Metroid DNA that way I can go back to finding Chozo Statues instead of trying to get to a Data Room that is about to get destroyed.
>>323663341 >That purple armour makes her look silly, lets make her glow purple out of no where instead! I want to see the meeting where he said this. Did no one tell him just no that is stupider? Did no one say we can just redesign the suit and even just make it a deeper purple?
I think it might have been his is super stubborn, but that is mostly my dislike for Sakamoto
its not anything related to the metroid franchise other than in name, and thats the pathetic part.
the amount of time and funds could have given us a 2d metroid worth praise, or even a remake of 2 with up to date graphics. Thats the part that irks me the most, the time and money spent on this half assed spinoff shit could be put to better use elsewhere, and the arrogance of nintendo to even give this shit a spotlight and a trailer thinking this would be good enough. Skip the 25th anniversary and give us this?
>>323663508 Yeah, I mean: Samus not activating her Varia suit when she's slowly dying from the heat, repeating in her head in a monotone voice what has just been said by whomever just spoke in every conversation and Adam shooting Samus in the back because he thought the enemy she was facing is invincible, that's peachy, but a purple suit? Get the fuck out!
>>323662226 Nintendo probably hasn't tried to make a new F-Zero because the guys who made the last one was a department of Sega that literally doesn't fucking exist anymore, staffed by people who are now pretty much permanently shackled to Yakuza. And F-Zero GX is a hell of an act to follow.
>>323663843 >Adam shooting Samus in the back because he thought the enemy she was facing is invincible Just what were they thinking? Samus taken out by one shot? Samus not being able to take out the enemy she always takes out even without ice? Why could it only be jettisoned from the inside? Why couldn't Samus blow it up with her ship?
>>323661498 And I agree with that. It's too early to say if it's good or bad, but relative to how long before it gets released, we can say if something is good at that point in time.
>>323661689 >No it didn't, everyone was super hyped cause the game actually looked good and had a unique premise A lot of people thought the premise looked unique, yes, but looked like the type of game you would play for 2 hours and then get bored of it. That was also what I had first thought. Look at what it is now. I love Splatoon.
>A 4 player co-op shooter is not anything new and has been done horribly as well. No, it is not. But the concept of metroid in a co op game seems interesting and has potential.
>When your are trying "no but it looks fun"? Fuck off shitposter. No one enjoyed it in that video and you could feel how awkward it was
No, it did not you faggot. It looks like you are the shitposter here, since you make ridiculous assumption about how awkward it was as you can't even feel that at all even in the Treehouse video. It seemed like you usual "awkward" co-op game.
Or saying that no one enjoyed it. More like, people are too butthurt about it not being the metroid they want it to be, hence, the prejudge the game as bad. Just like you. I pity people like you, you let nonsense things get in the way of liking or hating the game.
>>323663781 Yeah, I'm sure this budget spinoff title being outsourced to a Canadian studio specifically known for budget spinoff titles is sapping so much time and money away from that big special game you wanted. What a fucking travesty.
>>323664052 >The suit disappeared because Samus lost consciousness! Sounds like a great feature for a warrior's armor designed to fight in hostile environnement I mean fuck oxygen, this guy is taking a nap.
>>323664538 >You might blow up the ship with your weapons! Even though none do, many are passive protection and I'm not your boss. >Oh hey lets pay a random military guy to defeat SAMUS ARAN THE ALIEN GOD KILLER but most of all >the suit disappears when samus get scared WHY WOULD IT EVER WORK LIKE THAT? WHAT IDIOT WOULD MAKE IT LIKE THAT?
>>323654365 I really dont get why they decided to make this. Next Level was all geared up to tackle a Metroid game on 3DS, their style of Samus looked unusual but couldve worked on a platform like the 3ds. Instead Nintendo tells them fuck that, make us a spinoff about Federation soldiers. Well might still be fun so lets get at it. Now, NLG's prime specialty is animations, they always pack a hefty punch and feel generally satisfying. Arguably perfect for what seems like an alternative take on Monhun arena monster gameplay. However, we get these shitty looking chibi things and gameplay is slow and floaty, a stark contrast to their usual profile. So even if it's not a true Metroid game, it couldve been fun but it's obvious that some serious producer meddling war involved here. I dont want to blame Tanabe as this might have come from higher up as well but fuck me, someone really fucked up here
>>323665582 This is the kind of thing that seems like a neat concept on paper, but honestly, trying to think of it in practice, it just sounds like a pointlessly distracting gimmick. Just give me a new 2D Metroid with the map on the bottom screen, don't get stupid and complicated with it.
>>323665615 Even before that, Metroid threads had dedicated trolls making sure every single discussion would turn into Final Fantasy tier of shit flinging by setting up overblown prime vs super arguments.
>>323666039 It was more like falseflagging as a Super fan and shitting on the Prime games, calling everyone Prime babies and such, then falseflagging as a prime fan and shitting on super for being boring/overrated etc.
I'm not denying people with those opinions don't exist (just take a trip to youtube comments) but they're not THAT common you'd see them every thread and were cranked up to eleven for the lulz XD
>>323654472 >a Nuts and Bolts situation Stop comparing it to that. Nintendo never did a fake out where they hyped up a proper Metroid game and then turns it around into Federation Force. It's not even remotely comparable to Nuts and Bolts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLWLdO9GLWM
>>323666213 The reveal that Ridley metamorphosed from a goofy looking little bird thing is probably the only actually charming thing that came out of Other M besides Anthony. I'm willing to accept those two things as canon and absolutely nothing else.
>>323666414 Because they accidentally cloned him when they were taking metroid DNA samples from Samus' suit. And Ridley's species has a weird development cycle because he's an alien dragon, they don't have to explain shit.
>>323663542 The guy who was in charge of visuals in the Iwata Asks where it's mentioned told him it was stupid and didn't feel good being made to do it. Sometimes the guy above you has too much power and you have to do what they say anyway. >Morisawa:Yes! (laughs) So I told him 'she's wearing the Gravity Suit, that's why she's purple'. His response, however, was 'but it looks strange to have this purple person popping up during such a serious conversation'. It would then become an exchange along the lines of me saying 'But this is the specification!' and him responding 'No, no, definitely strange'.
>Iwata: Ha ha! (laughs)
>Morisawa: So we'd consult Kitaura-san as well, but he'd also say 'yes, purple really is strange'. All I could think was 'Huh?! So what should we do now?' These kinds of specifications had been there from the very beginning, from before my time, but they'd just say 'No, we definitely want Samus in orange here'. I just groaned and put my head in my hands.
>Iwata: It sounds like you had the ladder pulled out from under you. (laughs) So how did you resolve the situation?
>Morisawa: Basically, I brought out various color patterns, trying to push them back towards purple a little bit, but they couldn't agree to that, saying it was orange they wanted. In the end, therefore, we decided to indicate that the gravity features are attached to the suit by making the green lights on Samus's chest glow a purple-like pink when the gravity features are unlocked.
>Iwata: So in other words, the suit color stayed orange, but the color of the lights on her chest changed to a purplish pink?
>Morisawa: Yes. We explained this clearly in the manual, but as the person entrusted with the visual settings of Metroid, it just didn't sit right with me.
>let's make Metroid kiddie baby halo ripoff Metroid was never exactly a mature game for mature gamers such as myself, but it had a certain tone and atmosphere which was an important part of the games. How can they call this a Metroid game when it looks like Duplo?
>>323669873 It's likely a budget reason. How many games can you think of on the 3DS that use that super deformed style? Or better yet, count how many games used more fleshed out models that you typically see in full console of PC games.
It's just become a lazy out for developers, since the system is capable of more. I mean hell, Hunters was, in my book anyway, the best looking DS game ever made. I can't think of anything better, and to have them make something that, graphically, looks only marginally better, and stylistically, looks a lot worse, is a slap in the face.
>>323669873 I guess maybe they wanted to take advantage of it being a spinoff by doing something you'd never be allowed to do with a mainline Metroid game, stylistically speaking. It's not exactly the first time Metroid's done a less serious SD style.
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