>>323617796 very rarely can you actually talk with the BoS (the only reason it works so well for us is because of main character syndrome) and thus their normal response to anyone that isnt them is to shoot it dead then a raider dosed up on 200 shots of jet
If you have anything that runs off of energy at all, they want it and for you to not have it end of story end of discussion.
>in every new vegas thread, people shit on the Brotherhood of Steel and say they all deserve to die >cite that theyre a "quasi religious terrorist group" >"they attack people for their technology!!!" >these same people will then go on to defend a faction that is not the Followers of the Apocalypse
seriously, fuck off. every faction in the game has its own drawbacks. Most of the time its an aggressive or degenerate flaw, and in the Followers' case, they are pacifist in a violent world. The wasteland is a fucking hellhole and criticizing a group for violence for X reason and defending another group for violence for Y reason is fucking stupid, ESPECIALLY if you're going to say the Brotherhood all deserve to die when it's very obvious a lot of them are at the LEAST decent people who care about each other and dont just kill people for fun
>>323619325 The Brotherhood's problem isn't violence. It's strict adherence to principles that are leading to their order's collapse. They've had their balls chopped off over the past fifty years, and now they are desperately trying to remain relevant in a world that no longer wants or needs them.
>>323615858 If you're on PC, yes. There's a mod available that re-enables the option to do that (Obsidian wrote and recorded lines for it, but for whatever reason [the deadline approached too quickly for them to fully implement it, they decided that it would be out of character for House to be convinced to let the BoS live, etc.], they Hot Coffee-d it out of the game). However, you'll need to put quite a few points into your Speech skill to pull it off.
>>323619325 The NCR is, memes aside, the most solid faction. The two biggest complaints, both in-game and in these threads, are that the government is corrupt and that it is an overextended empire.
The first issue doesn't make them any worse than anyone else except maybe House because there are examples of corruption and betrayal in just about every other faction. Their overextension is also a problem for the Legion, which is doomed to collapse if they fail to capture the resources in the Mojave. So really, the NCR is no worse than anyone else even if they are shit themselves.
>>323619843 >kings >beat and kill NCR stragglers just because theyre not MUH FREESIDE LOCALS despite them being as poor and destitute as anyone in freeside >cutting off access to the water pump >in general as violent as the brotherhood
>>323619843 Well yeah, that's the point. Caesar banned technology because he doesn't want some no-name grunt getting their hands on a laser rifle and challenging the authority of one of his centurions.
The best outcome in NV is The Courier becoming Cowboy Jesus, the entire point of Lonesome Road was basically to hammer in the fact that you SHOULDNT be so hung up on emulating old world ideologies and governments
>>323620018 A point that makes very little sense if you apply game logic. Energy weapons aren't any better than guns or melee, and arguably worse since the ammo is rare. I know it's supposed to be that energy weapons are super powerful and have long-lasting batteries, but that's simply not the case in the actual game, unfortunately.
>>323619954 >they only have two complaints! one of them is government being corrupt >brushes off government corruption in a fucking lawless wasteland as not a big deal
it is a big deal though. in the present day corruption can mean rigged elections, idiots in office, embezzlement, nepotism, etc
in the wasteland it means:
>forcibly evicting people from their land and making them join the NCR >not allocating proper supplies or troops to key areas, which can lead to situations like the powder ganger revolt and taking over of primm, lots of people dying in the process >taking the power from specific places and redirecting it to NCR only regions, fuck whoever else was relying on it previously, theyre not NCR (despite not having any more of a legitimate claim on the power supply than anyone else) >morons like kimball and oliver in charge leading to hundreds if not thousands of pointless deaths for pointless expansion
no, fuck you. NCR is no more solid than any other faction
>>323620068 but that's bullshit, because what Caesar did wasn't related to him being a follower other than he happened to be a follower when he became Caesar
it's not like he conquered all those tribes in the followers' name. He didn't make his Legion based on teachings of the Followers. He was a follower, then he was not a follower, then he conquered some tribes and became Caesar
Been a while since I played, but I've been thinking of doing a melee/unarmed only run. How long would it take to do everything? Like every main quest, side quest, follower quest, get every unique weapon, find all locations, do all DLC, etc. ? Could I sink 100 hours into it?
>>323620421 You missed the point of the post. NCR is corrupt and so is everyone else. The Legion had traitors, Legate Lanius didn't give a fuck about Caesar's policies, BoS was a clusterfuck of people trying to get one over on each other, every SINGLE faction in the Strip had some big dispute/betrayal that the Courier solves.
Yeah, the Courier becoming a dictator is probably the best option for most people, but out of the pre-existing factions at least the NCR had come out on top once already.
>>323620857 If you do every side quest, companion stuff, find all locations, and all the DLC, it would easily take >100 hours. Probably much, much longer. It's far more likely that you'll lose interest before you actually complete all that.
>>323621093 i dont understand what youre saying, because you sound like youre trying to agree with me by saying the ncr is as shitty as everyone else, but then you try and say the ncr is as shitty as everyone else but at least theyre kind of better because they won the first time
which doesnt prove anything because they would have gotten raped the second time by the legion without the Courier's help, and even if they won, they wouldve kept expanding and eventually lost again because theyre fucking overexpansive morons
>>323621396 >And thats a deer not a moose I know, but it makes little difference since they're subspecies. >I was thinking yao-guai but with antlers, 4 times it's size and a whole lot worse. Doubt Bethesda would design something like this, singe xbox hueg antlers would clip through everything
>>323621194 I always play on hardest difficulty, so I shouldn't have a problem.
>>323621338 I did that in Fallout 4, just finished it the other day after 190 hours (got all the endings as well). I'm on my second playthrough. I won't get bored. I did a run of New Vegas a few years ago where I did everything including DLCs but I didn't do all companion stuff, I missed a few uniques and I didn't discover all the locations. Put in around 75 hours or so.
>>323621727 They have little to no infrastructure to support themselves, put ideals above reality, and have no way to "deal with" rogues like Caesar (when he decided to conquer the Blackfoots--Calhoun just shit off back home and the Followers made no attempt to stop him).
I love the Followers, but they have more than their share of problems.
>>323622018 Well, actually in this case it's true. They are characterized that way. They're remnants of the US military that vowed to consolidate all technology from before the war to protect the world from itself. They really, really look down on outsider plebs.
I mean they're mostly right, but they are very difficult to work with even for a common goal and they way they achieve they goal is mostly just a hassle for everybody who isn't them, which as the player includes you.
>>323622018 >>323622839 This. Their core philosophy isn't ignoble by any means, but their leadership goes about it all wrong. There's a difference between trying to keep the world from destroying itself with technology again, and trying to win a match of "Who's dick is bigger?" with everyone else in the Wasteland.
>>323622839 The mojave chapter went rogue and is way too to the codex. Its no real loss overall if you genocide them in the end. >Mcnamara is so desperate to save his chapter he hires a fucking questionable mailman to search for parts.
>>323623046 Enclave was a secret society (?) in the US government before the War, most of whom fled to the Oil Rig off California's coast to stay safe.
Brotherhood were born from a detachment of the US military stationed at Mariposa Military Base when the nukes hit, and renounced their affiliation with the government after learning about the FEV testing.
>>323623280 >a fucking questionable mailman I play a pretty straight shooter so they have no reason not to trust me. It's really hard to get in contact with them anyway, you've basically already established a degree of trust the moment you find a valid reason to contact them.
>>323623608 Fallout 4 went the Skyrim route; Todd gutted the RPG elements for the casual crowd.
I knew the game would be a massive disappointment, but even then with the sarcastic shitty voiced main character, the atrocious writing, and the lack of good factions and decisions and skills just suck the fun out of the game.
>>323622850 Have you talked to most of the people under the Legion? The thing that sucks is being a woman or slave, other than that things are pretty good. You work your land and don't have to be taxed to hell and there are no raiders fucking you up.
However, both are nightmare Empires emulating the old world and not even thinking to recognize what made them fail.
>>323624371 Fuck, there's a lot of things I can forgive, but the writing and lack of choices killed the game. Everything felt hollow because there was a grand total of ONE way to complete most quests, maybe TWO if you were lucky; and let's not forget that 2/3 of those quests are randomized "go here, get this" bullcrap.
>>323624661 I always play a female Courier so I have never been able to finish a play thru with the legion.
Also, the only people who actually have it okay are male citizens in theor main areas. The ratio of slaves to citizenshas to be incredibly uneven since, if they don't just murder and crucify the people they rum into, they rape and enslave them.
They actually say that women hold a lower position in their society than dogs. Then they want my help while still shit talking the MC for being female.
No, they're almost comically evil in practicality. You really have to be looking for something decent in the Legion to find it while also ignoring all the rape, and slavery, and crucifixion, and inequality, and quality of life for 80% of the population.
>>323624924 >government protecting you can march into town, take whatever they want The NCR does this too. They just don't do the slaughtering instead they tax you and conscript your children to for their colonial expansion.
>they're almost comically evil in practicality. No they're not. Please give me examples of this. The sacking of Niption was old world brutality but it continues to happen now. It sent a message to the NCR and other wastelanders. Camp Searchlight? Another psychological blow to the NCR. The Legion knew how to fight a war unlike the NCR. People forget how bad total war really is.
>>323625571 You're in one of the largest military camps. They need slaves for logistical purposes.
>>323625680 Taxes for protection is a fair trade though. And if you want to talk "conscript your children", then Caesar is even worse. At least NCR doesn't use brainwashed fifteen year olds with machetes as their front-line troops.
>>323625680 Sorry, but I think anyone not a complete sociopath would take taxation and military service over fear of being crucified, enslaved or having your wife get gangbanged.
Also I don't really know why I should give you any examples when you provided them yourself. They're brutal and excessive in every way. Did I miss in FO1/2 where the newly established NCR, alsp trying to position itself, intentionally psychologically tortured people, burned them alive, crucified them, raped the women, and enslaved them and the kids? The Legion could have just killed those people to send a message but instead they tortured them, first psychologically, which probably no one would find out about anyway.
This is about siding with a faction. I can't imagine why anyone would want to hang out with these guys unless they actually are impressed by Edgemaster shit.
>>323620018 Pretty damn sure Caesar want to make it clear to the soldiers that they shouldn't rely on technology, but instead rely on their own capabilities. This was mainly due to the fact the legion clearly doesn't have enough guns and other high standard weapons to equip the army with. Basically he want them to get used to the fact that the most of them will be fighting in melee especially if their equipment breaks down. After all, many high tier weapons were reserved for the Centurions, and and Van Graffs quest outcome were supposed to grant the legion energy weapon supplies.
>>323626573 > fear of being crucified, enslaved or having your wife get gangbanged. You have modern bias. This use to happen in the ancient world and the Legion emulated. It's not personal it's business
>they're brutal and excessive in every way. Yes, but it's necessary. It's giving them results and obedience.
>The Legion could have just killed those people But that's not what the Legion is does. They're crippling the NCR physically, mentally psychologically and they're winning. The NCR is not committed to total war which is costing them dearly.
Caesars whole point is how Democracy or Communism just don't work. And that the systems in place work better for the wasteland.
>>323624630 >implying house is a techno-fetishist Just because is army is 100% robots doesn't mean he has a hard-on for all tech. He only uses the securitrons because he can count on them completely. He's more than willing to use people for tasks that don't require total loyalty (Three Families to help maintain order on the Strip, prospectors to find the Chip, couriers to bring the Chip to him, etc)
I never understood why people like the BoS but dislike the Followers of the Apocalypse? They want educate the people in the wastelands on technologies of the past and ultimately allow them to decide how to best make use of it. Restoration is the ideal and they're not so pompous as to go around trying to shoot you dead just for possessing something that runs on energy. What the fuck?
>>323634048 Of course, Honest Hearts is not a bad DLC. It was just lacking content beocuse those Bethesda fags and the short amount of time they gave Obsidian to make the game. Also here's a wallpaper for your words of wisdom.
Brotherhood of steel are faggots, use to them to get power armor training and dope gear then kill them all. Also DO NOT blow up the bunker. Kill them all, loot their gear and enjoy your sweet ass secret bunker.
My favourite method of killing them is to hack the turrets and set it to kill everyone. Its a terminal on the left when you enter with some named paladin in there. Hack it and listen to the blasts and screams, turn them off when it goes quiet and hunt down the rest.
House is best choice. >Play goodie two shoes self insert power armor wearing lazer shooting faggot and side with House because he would better the world >Play Old man gunslinger in cowboy hat, sunglasses, a duster and a revolver. My guy is an asshole who only cares about caps to pay for his alcoholism so he sides with house so he can sit in the lucky 38 getting drunk while House does shit. Cowboy was the better run, being mr perfect is boring.
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