ORAS is a great game imo. As far as I know, it has the most available Pokemon so for Des completionfags like me it's great. However, it's end fake content being limited to the Maison again is a slight problem, esoecially considering some of the older games had great contents post game. Namely HGSS with the Pokeathelon and Battle Frontier which was imo, the best game made
It's just the same game again andmturn guess people are starting to get tired of it. I loved emerald, enjoyed leaf green, couldn't be bothered to finish soul silver and barely touched Pokemon X. The games just don't change enough between entries.
X and Y was shit, but they had good improvements like puting pokemon center and market in the same building. Also the way you could customize your own character was just great! I have no idea why that wasn't included in ORAS.
Also getting legendaries was just beyond retarded. But in ORAS they just throw them at you like there's no tomorrow. They don't feel legendary at all.
Also just getting gifted with that one legendary is just dumb.
>>323529210 My first Pokemon game ever was Pokemon Ruby. I fucking LOVED Pokemon Ruby. I literally clocked over 500 hours into it, I have no fucking idea what the hell I did but it's there. I tend to replay it every 2 years.
Omega Ruby sucks big time. It really, really does. I honestly can't stand it. It's so fucking easy. It's been streamlined and modernized even more. The models are gross/unpleasant.
As someone who's favorite is emerald, the lack of battle frontier killed my interest for it and I still havn't played it. That's hundereds of hours of gameplay gone in exchange for a 1.5 hour episode delta and the maison which is a really shitty and limited version of the BF
if you don't care about the battle frontier it's a good remake, otherwise stay away
After FR/LG and HG/SS, people were expecting the base game with some neat things added on. Instead we got the base game but ever-so casualized. Additionally, unlike other remakes they made no attempts to change the game for the better. The overworld still looked disgusting. There are still framerate drops during battles. Things like Granite Cave, Safari Zone, and Contests were changed for the worst also. Redesigns of characters were hit or miss, most missing. Delta episode was awful until the climax which was leaked months before launch. New megas introduced are not compatible with X/Y
>>323534110 >New megas introduced are not compatible with X/Y And this is what I just can't understand. This is the first Generation that actually got patches through the nintendo shop. Would it have been so hard to just patch the megas into X/Y? I think mega evolution are bullshit, but still, I'm asking myself why the hell not?
>>323534110 The redesigns are fpretty annoying. It worked for HG/SS because you literally had shitty gbc sprites to work off but here it felt like they were trying to make a new game with Emerald as a base. Made even worse by the "new" characters like Zinnia who made the game even worse.
>>323534601 Their justification is that it is a different dimension, one where things like mega stones exist. It's still pretty fucking dumb, and I will never not hate Zinnia. It probably was never a question but I really hope we don't get an Emerald remake because you just know that she would be a main character. I wanted to snap her head off in the hour we had with her, I can't imagine her being in the whole game.
>>323534110 But HGSS and especially FRLG were also the base game but ever-so casualized. Hell while HGSS makes you face an improved Miltank with Scrappy and ORAS makes it impossible to get Sableye before Brawly, FRLG is still the only game where Charmander learns Metal Claw specifically to beat Brock.
>>323534821 You got me there, but at least they just didn't fucking hand you a Lati@s halfway through the game. That on top of things I already mentioned and others like the EXP-All just damper the experience. I know you can box the lati@s and turn off the EXP-All, but the idea that they are there at all just leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
>>323534973 Let's see. Emerald >Battle Tower clone like ORAS >legendaries like ORAS >gym leader rematches(lacking why??) >nothing else
>HGSS >Kanto(LOL. Like 1 hour longer than Delta Episode) >same copypasted Battle Tower clone that doesn't even give me new toys to play with >worst gym rematches ever with shit challenge times and max levels that barely reach the levels of some random Magma Grunts >legendaries
>BW2 >Battle Tower clone >another Battle Tower clone, but easier and shorter. Literally completed in an afternoon >Black/White Tower: run through some easy trainers for a free shiny Pokemon >legendaries
ORAS >Battle Tower clone, copypasted from XY. At least here you have new toys to play with, the new megas >Delta Ep(LOL. Short and easy but gives you a chance to get a previously event-only Pokemon) >legendaries
>>323534110 These are my thoughts exactly. My friend gets butthurt whenever I bring it up. HGSS had content from all three Gen 2 games, and more, but ORAS was just Ruby and Sapphire, with content taken out and replace with new things, most of which were bad changes, and none of the changes made in Emerald were in the fucking game. >but they were remakes of Ruby and Sapphire, not Emerald! :^) HGSS had content from Crystal, those games went above and belong the amount of content it probably should of had, ORAS is severely lacking in comparison, it's fucking ridiculous that people forgive it, even though HGSS came out only a few years before. >You just hate fun! I had fun with my first run of ORAS, in fact, I do with every Pokemon game I ever play for the first time, it's not until I beat it that I realize how bad it really was, and ORAS is the worst game yet. I have so ridiculously high hopes for the next game, I think it will only leave me more disappointed. I hope the long break between the release of a new Pokemon game this time around, means that they understand their previous 2 titles were lacking, and that they're hoping to knock our fucking socks off with their next game, I really do.
>>323536507 >playing Delta Episode >oh great, I need Wallace to open the Sky Tower. He'd better not try to grab my dick or something >BATTLE ME BEFORE I OPEN IT >do so >this fucker doesn't even have the common courtesy to heal my mons afterward, making me have to fly back to a town and come back Fuck Wallace.
>>323537686 ORAS is basically RS with new battle mechanics and a bit easier (even if you don't use exp share/free lati@s), so while I would overall say it's better than RS, it still pales in comparison to Emerald since they didn't add Emerald's revamped gym teams and Battle Frontier. I wouldn't say it's outright bad, just a waste of potential. Since you already own it, you may as well play it when you have time.
>>323529210 It's not that it's bad, it's just that it barely improves on RSE (if at all, you could make the case that Emerald is better in terms of amount of content and difficulty)
This is especially bad because 3rd gen is probably the most widely emulated and hacked out of the whole series. Ruby and Sapphire with an XY skin just really isn't worth the trouble or the cash when you've played both Ruby and Sapphire in their original form, as well as Emerald, an Emerald Nuzlocke, a hack with stronger enemies, a randomized version, an edgy teenager's shitty romhack, touhoumon, etc.
The new PokeNav stuff was genius though, too bad that it will never come back because Game Freak loves abandoning their best ideas.
>>323529346 I got up until the 6th or 7th gym. I kept exp. share turned off and tried to not let my pokemon get overleveled, but I realized that Hoenn just isn't a fun region save for a few exceptions. The nerfed trainers and gym leaders just made it worse.
>>323529731 Any good hacks of BW/BW2 without bugs? I like HGSS more but the seasons feature appeals to me, I wanted to play StormSilver of whatever it's called but I'm autistic for bugs, currently playing Perfect SoulSilver (SS with all mons and some little trainer tweaks, probably bugless)
>>323534318 >I'm asking myself why the hell not? Well what earns them more money? Free patch or you buying new game to be relevant online? They care about money, not about you, which is why I sold X/Y and got back to HGSS but I'm not even playing it anymore, the only pokemon games I'm interested in are Pokemon Go and maybe Blue that's coming out in february for VC.
>>323542193 Why do I need to bother explaining why you're wrong when you call the entirety of the battle frontier a battle tower clone when in 2 of the facilities you don't even have to fight any trainers to progress. It's blatantly obvious you don't have any idea what you're talking about
>>323542546 >variety >variety >VARIETY Again, learn to read. I said BT clone and then i claimed variety, but i never fucking said all the structures are the same. Get your head out of your ass and try to comprehend what other people are saying before responding.
They all have the same purpose: fight and proceed into doing X or Y, fight a boss after a certain number of Z, get a symbol/trophy. This is what i wanted you to understand from the first post which you would have if you weren't dumb.
>>323541647 >Pokewalker is gone >Battle Frontier keeps disappearing >Super Training will probably be gone in 7th gen >Roller skates are gone in ORAS for no fucking reason >X and Y remain the only games with trainer customization >Pokeathlon is gone >Contests have been casualized for no reason >Pokemon don't follow you around except in HGSS
>>323542787 Are you deliberately being stupid because you're one of those autists that refuses to stop replying when they've been proved wrong? Unless I have severe down's syndrome the idea of a battle tower is to see how many trainers you can beat. The battle pyramid and pike are literally the exact opposite of that, that's not a clone it's an antithesis
>>323543103 Emerald was pretty difficult but yeah all the gym leaders are missing pokemon compared to Emerald, and they're all deleveled so you can enjoy fighting a level 12 Nosepass with your just-evolved Grovyle without even grinding
>>323529210 Just a boring port. The most you can say is that it's competently made and has all the basics; However, at this point in time we expect more than 'just' a pokemon game from the franchise.
I mean, we've got shit like Yokai Watch if we just wanted the same shit - HG/SS raised the bar and took one of the best gen's and made it better with all sorts of great upgrades, it's too bad that OR/AS didn't reach for that same standard.
>>323529210 It's not "bad", it's just the laziest fucking thing imaginable.
FR/LG and HG/SS had so much love put into them. HG/SS in particular. They perfectly recaptured everything that was beloved about the original games, but on an updated and much prettier engine. They were crammed with new features, too, like following Pokemon, the Pokewalker add-on, the Sevii Islands sidequests, etc.
The along comes ORAS. Gen III is very close to Gen VI mechanically, with the Physical / Special Attack split being the only major improvement to the gameplay. And everything people hated about Hoenn was left in - such as the stupid over-reliance on HMs to fucking get anywhere - whereas features people loved, like the Battle Frontier, were removed for absolutely no good reason. It was clearly rushed out the door without any love or care.
Not to mention the ENTIRE game was spoiled via official releases prior to it coming out. We knew every new Mega and the details of all the post-game content before the game even came out in fucking Japan.
Overall it was just a clusterfuck of a remake that actually doesn't give you much reason to play it rather than just playing the originals, whereas I can't ever imagine playing Red or Crystal again now that FRLG and HGSS exist.
>>323543942 >such as the stupid over-reliance on HMs to fucking get anywhere But you literally only have to use Rock Smash 2 times and Surf a few more. "Over reliance" where? >following Pokemon >new Also considering you made it two different points, how is it that ORAS doesn't "They perfectly recaptured everything that was beloved about the original games, but on an updated and much prettier engine." despite everything being the fucking same as it was in the original but prettier?
>>323532719 >The problem with ORAS >Mirage tower That was Emerald-only. >They couldn't even implement a decent replacement minigame like HGSS That minigame was localization-exclusive. >Every Mega Evolution was officially unveiled before the game even came out? Are megas supposed to be a surprise? It's not like new Pokémon. >No physical bonus These are the first Pokémon remakes to get a digital release, so that wouldn't make sense. 3DS already has a wireless adapter and pedometer included. >There is little incentive to use DexNav over breeding or trading It's great for hidden abilities
That said, ORAS is still my least favorite entry in the series. It's the first time that I've legitimately felt that the series has taken a step backward.
>>323543718 In 2D games, the circles are there to show you the terrain and give a sense that your Pokémon aren't floating. In 3D games, the circles help the terrain not look nearly as empty as it would be without them. They also bring focus to the Pokémon and help you get more sense of depth.
>>323529210 It's not "bad", per se. If you didn't have the precedent of third versions/remakes generally being upgraded versions of what came before, then ORAS would just be another Pokemon game.
The problem is that said precedent does exist, and while ORAS does have some additions over the original RS, it lacks several other additions they had in a game over a decade old (Emerald). There's no excuse other than that they just didn't feel like including those again.
I would say most of the people who criticize it are the somewhat more hardcore fans/metagamers as casual players probably didn't care as much for post game shit like Battle Frontier, nor do they pay as much attention to the number of Pokemon gym leaders use or them having laughable movesets.
>>323544206 >But you literally only have to use Rock Smash 2 times and Surf a few more. "Over reliance" where?
you've obviously never played oras
>despite everything being the fucking same as it was in the original but prettier?
the dead-looking 3d models are far less endearing than the original spritework and not to mention the fact that the overworld, depsite having pretty new 3D graphics, is still rigidly stuck within a grid and just looks dumb (compared to XY that actually bothered having a more organic layout to utilise the unrestricted movement).
>>323546838 All the pokemon games are made for kids, that didn't stop all the prior games from being much more challenging, and even BW(2?) which explicitly had a hard mode (albeit a retardedly implemented one, who wants to beat the game and then delete their save in Pokemon of all things just to play a slightly harder mode? It's even worse for the Easy mode since it has the same unlock criteria). We will never again face tough (relative for Pokemon) challenges like Whitney's Miltank or Route 110 May again in a main series game.
Not to mention that the vast majority of complaints aren't even about the difficulty, it's about terribly bland presentation of things such as post-game legendary hunting in ORAS, or the complete removal of content like the Battle Frontier or Safari Zones, as well as smaller stuff like Granite Cave and New Mauvile being reworked to become much less than they once were. Just plain bad decisions no matter how you look at it, like giving players a free Lati halfway through the game for no reason. I had no problem with the introduction of so many legendaries as the series went on, and found it stupid when people said shit like "I remember when being legendary MEANT something", but this shit's just ridiculous.
>>323546109 >you've obviously never played oras Looks like you didn't either. You have to use Rock Smash to get to Lavaridge, then Surf a few times through the game, then usual Victory Road shit. Oh yeah i forgot Sub for Sootopolis too. But still.
>>323547409 >We will never again face tough (relative for Pokemon) challenges like Whitney's Miltank or Route 110 May again in a main series game. But people complain about random trainers wiping out their team because reasons, like the Furfrou trainers and the the girl with the Hawlucha in Reflection Cave and other shit. Route 110 May is still a thing so i don't know what you're talking about.
>but this shit's just ridiculous It's not as bad as offering a legendary just after the first gym, like in BW and BW2, even if it was just an event.
>>323529210 >no hard mode >no battle frontier >can't rechallenge gyms >no outfits >legendaries all have piss easy capture rates >wow i get to fight this dragonrider chick, oh wait they gave me a legendary >get given megas in the main story
I would've been more forgiving of the game had they fixed the horrid load times and framerate issues but they did absolutely nothing to their XY engine and XY was still incompatible with ORAS. Gamefreak are full of hacks.
I played OR and quit after the first gym. The biggest factor for it was the goddamn wild battle and trainer music, they had no oomph whatsoever compared to the originals and I even went back and checked the originals to make sure it wasn't just nostalgia.
The vs trainer music in particular is almost fucking criminal, it's so flat it's atrocious.
Only Pokémon games that are actually good are Platinum, BW2 and Emerald Gen 6 is a load of cack that basically plays itself for you while trying to entertain you will all the cliche anime shit thrown in
Q:We noticed ORAS had a lower difficulty level compared to previous Pokemon games. What bought you to this decision? Any chance that future games will have the possibility to adjust difficulty level as seen in Black and White 2?
A:What? How come you've already played the games? hearty laughter [the games were supposed to come out in Italy the day after the interview] We created a "balanced" game that was suited for our time and age, where everyone is very busy and young people have various means of entertainment. Using smartphones and other devices they can access a great number of games, so the time they dedicate to a single game is less than in the past. The player can choose to keep on playing after the main story and continue to the post-game, where the difficulty rises and there are much more difficult Trainers and challenges to overcome.
Q:Why wasn't the Battle Frontier in the remakes?
A:This question is connected with my previous answer. We didn't put the BF in ORAS for this very reason. Interviewer's note: In short he means that they didn't include the BF because only a very small part of the players would have fully appreciated and made use of this feature; nowadays players get bored and frustrated more easily and they aren't interested in things that are so demanding/challenging.
In other words, enjoy Pokemon never being challenging ever again.
>>323565762 Everyone at Game freak needs a wake-up call. They've gotten complacent and aren't thinking right. If they stay on this path, Pokemon will turn into the same sort of franchises as CoD, AC, etc moreso then it already is.
>>323567769 >Pokemon will turn into the same sort of franchises as CoD, AC, etc moreso then it already is. How is that even possible? They've been rehashing the same formula with some mechanical updates for 20 years now.
If I were to ignore the extra content in Platinum, I would prefer Diamond and Pearl over it. The new visuals are ugly while the visuals in DP are exactly what I think of when I hear Pokemon. They got everything just right, from the grass to the UI to the not fucked up 3D depth like in the BW engine where everything is jaggy. BW2 are my all time favourite games though, even if I hate the visuals with a passion
>>323569802 It's more because it's not so much about stats as it is skills, and you get the better skills by fusing demons into stronger ones which also deters grinding as your moh shuvuu will never learn jihad on her own. Unless it randomly decides to change it apparently, but I'm not sure how that works.
no, its much more about stats than skills. you can make do with some shitty skills in SMT games as long as you have a demon with decent stats. leveling up doesn't make a big difference though in SMT games, which is why you need new demons.
a pixie at base level 5 would have stat progression like this: Pixie Lv 5: Attack 9 Pixie Lv 5+1 (6): Attack 10 Pixie Lv 5+2 (7): Attack 12 Pixie Lv 5+3 (8): Attack 13
However, a Pixie that you catch at level 8 instead of train would have a base Attack of 17 or 18 rather than 13.
tamed demons are weaker than their unrestrained counterparts. stats are much more important than experience or skills in SMT. I don't think this would work for Pokemon.
>>323571596 Considering you can take down a level 90 boss in SMT IV with demons in their 30s so long as they absorb or nullify his element and use tetrakarn it really is about what skills you bring to the table, and some skills boost your demon's stats. Then again IV is so phys heavy that tetrakarn is essentially a win button in most cases.
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