>There must always be a Darth Traya What did she mean by this?

>>323450025
Just like in WoW there must always be a lich king

cause Siths are always killing each other and shit

>im not like the other sith lords, i walk the fine like between dark and light side of the force because im speshul
yeah, fuck off kreia im sick of your bullshit

>>323450025
WE WUZZ SIF LORDS AN SHIEET

>you are stuck with a character during the whole game and they made it so you will want to bring her along, being a powerful consular
and people say this is better than KOTOR.

>>323450025
So where do all the assassins come from? Do they just feel a calling and travel to Malachor?

they serve darth sion who's already there meditating and stuff

>>323451265
meant to quote
>>323451183

>>323450960
>you will want to bring her along, being a powerful consular
unless you're doing a "fun" build, you're an unstoppable killing machine by the time you leave first planet after Telos.

>>323450960
? That's the best part of KOTOR2. Provided you've built enough influence with her you learn quite early on that a confrontation between you and Kreia is inevitable. She remains your master, trying to make you see things her way, she admires you, and even as you plunge your lightsaber in her she is thrilled to see you succeed. A remarkably refreshing concept for a character vs final boss interaction.

>>323450582
>I never played KOTOR 2: The Post

>>323451931
Must be why I hated KOTOR2. I fucking hated Kreia and find it impossible to conceive why someone would like a character that basically backseat games

>>323450960
At least she's not [Something seems to be bothering Carth. Maybe you should speak to him and see if you can get him to open up about it.]

>>323453303
she's worse

>>323453364
Impossible

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>>323450025

>Darth Traya

I will always believe that was a terrible name choice.

>>323454839
Meetra Surik

>>323454839
How is that worse than Nihilism? Or Maul, Tyrantannosaurus , Insidious , Icky, Insanius, Bane, etc.?

>>323456475
Or Vader for that sake. They are all shitty wordplays.

Darth Vader the Space invader

>>323456767
I wasn't excusing the ones I didn't list, you think Darth Plague is something I'm happy with?

>>323450025
>What did she mean by this?
at some point when you talk to her about Atris (in the Hawk i think) she says Atris walks the same path she did. You can get that convo right after leaving Telos iirc.

then at the end you talk to her about Atris again and that's when she says "There must always be a Darth Traya"

so my hypothesis is that there was to be a longer, more fleshed out Atris story arc where what Kreia means is better explained, but it was scrapped like so much of the content of the game.

Other than that idk, maybe i'm wrong

>>323456873
I didn't really assume anything, I just added the one that everybody thinks is cool

>>323456941
>so my hypothesis is that there was to be a longer, more fleshed out Atris story arc where what Kreia means is better explained, but it was scrapped like so much of the content of the game.
The original plan was for the player's choices to determine whether Atris joins you as a party member, whether you fight her on Telos, or whether she becomes the final boss on Malachor.

>>323457116
Didn't mean to come off so hostile, sorry.

>>323457187
It's fine, as long as you dislike thinks I dislike

>make her full blown light side with console
>her dialogue is still depressive and she still hates the world

gg bioware

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>>323456475
>>323454839
>>323456767
>>323456873

>all those retarded Darth names
>back in TotJ, Sith just used their names instead of acting like rebellious teenagers

That said, Lumiya sounds reasonable, as does Vectivus, but so many holders of the Darth title had spectacularly shitty names.

>>323457158
>final boss on malachor

I know she is a bitch but damn

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Was she really trying to make Attris Darth Traya?

>>323450025
Well, before she says that you killed of the two other sith lords. Since she believes in balance (or more exactly neutrality) it might be about that in order for good to exist (assuming you are light side), there needs to be someone evil.

Good loses its meaning when there is nothing bad.

>>323458087
>Since she believes in balance (or more exactly neutrality)
Easy way to tell who completely missed the point of Kreia's character.

There must always be a Darth Sith.

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I've been told that Kreia is basically a Vergere, from "Traitor", rip-off. True or false?

>>323456941
I think she's talking about Darth Traya as representative of a role and that someone will always fill that void.

>>323458449
Never read the books so who knows, read them yourself and find out.

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Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Bane the Big?

>>323450582
When did she ever think she was special. The only one who is spehshul is Exile.

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>tfw kotor 1 keeps crashing on dantooine
>never gonna become padawan
>never gonna play kotor 2

>>323458449
>Vergere

Not really. Kreia became Sith by exile and discovering the wounds in the force found on Malachor. Then she came to hate the force altogether when the sith turned on her. She uses the exile to try to kill the force.

Vergere was a jedi who turned sith and came to believe the force is neutral, she trains Jacen because she believes he can fix the force and sacrifices herself to ensure his future.

About the only similarities is that they're both morally grey.

>>323458771
A lot of loyalty for a Sith

>>323461178
Kreia was a Sith before finding a wound in the Force with the Exile.

>>323462562
She went to Malachor to become a sith, where she discovered the wound in the force. It was later she traced and understand it was the exile's inherent bonding ability that made the wound.

She was turned on Malachor, but she found wounds just retracing Revan's wake or even just collecting Sion and Nihilius,

"KOTOR 1 was better"

>>323463210
I personally like to believe that Kreia turned into a Sith after her husband died and she was presumed dead during the Mandalorian wars.

>>323463468
Kotor 1 was simpler. Whether or not that makes it better is up to each person to decide.

>>323463210
Also, when Kreia says 'Revan came to me in the end', I like to think it was when she had become a Sith, meaning prior to Revan's sacrifice but after the Mandalorian wars.

>>323463512
She was a jedi during the mandalorian wars. She was exiled afterward. She had no husband. You' must be confusing her with someone else's backstory, like handmaiden

>>323463827
She became sith on Malachor, specifically in the academy. Now she was well on her way before that, but the academy is what finally pushed her over.

>>323450025
That for all her posturing and preaching, at the end of the day she is just a sith trying to corrupt a jedi

>>323458771
So big and powerful was he, that he could crash a plane....with no survivors

About to finish the first one for the first time.
What are some essential mods for Kotor 2 besides the restored content mod?

>>323464437
M4-78EP :^)

>>323464409
But alas, nobody knows why he wore the mask

>>323456767
>>323456475
>>323454839
>savage oppress

>>323453210

Well don't worry, Fallout 4 just came out and I think you'll find its story much more to your liking!

>>323464235
There's been a theory going around for ages that Kreia is Arren Kae, Revan's last master, Handmaidens mother and Yusanis' wife.

>>323465283
Nah, I think I'll stick to KOTOR1 since it has a better story, but you continue with your fallacies, champ.

>>323457978
Actually Atris became Darth Traya for a short time.

>>323464235
>You' must be confusing her with someone else's backstory, like handmaiden
Anon..

The Sith and the Dark Side of the Force in general are metaphysical constants that can't be erased. The Force NEEDS there to be balance. Better that someone who understands this function as its leader, to minimize suffering as much as humanly possible while still satisfying the nominal requirements for darkness and evil in the galaxy.

Kreia is a shit character. Period.

>>323465997
Agreed, but you're going to be called bait and insulted.

>>323465997
Explain.

You know how you got a bonus if you went max light side/max dark side alignment? Was there one for staying 100% neutral?

>>323466589
No.

>>323466589
No, because neutrality is the harder path

>>323464235
>She had no husband.
Pfft. Yes and Vader had no wife too.

>>323465325
It's pretty obvious as well.

>>323466781
Going to the Dark Side and still being a Jedi is harder. Neutrality only demands that you do good and evil whenever you feel like it.

>>323456475
Revan is the best sith and has the best name. Coincidence?

>>323458352
In all fairness "balance" in Star Wars is just a euphemism for "Complete and utter annihilation of the other guys"

>>323467298
The fact that both Arren Kae and Kreia were Revan's last masters alone says enough.

>>323467368
Funny that the Jedi in the Prequel never realized it
>the Sith have been gone for 1000 years
>yet we think this guy will bring balance to the Force
>I mean, what can go wrong?
Though, to be fair, the small amounts of Sith popping their heads from time to time were always up to no good.

>>323467546
And that Kreia said 'in the end, he came to me'. But I still prefer that Kae and Kreia are different people, not literally, but that they have gone through such hardships that the beginning and end person are so different that they might as well be different people.
It really makes me want to see what Kae was like in her youth.

>>323456767
Darth Vader, Darth Sidious.

Darth Nuendo. Darth Continence. Darth Decentexposure

>>323467749
She was probably like any other member of the Jedi Order.

>>323467548
It doesn't help that every time a Jedi goes bad they say "Oh no, he's not a real Jedi, he's a Sith!" yet every time a Sith or unaffiliated force user does something good the Jedi get all the glory.

>>323467897
Darth Yourmom

>>323450025
So she hates the force but she still picked a side at the end?

>>323458352
Well then, what was the point of her character?

>>323468078
Considering she managed to bag a legendary echani general and the thing Handmaiden tells us, she probably wasn't just like any other member of the Jedi Order.

>>323463468
That's true though.

>>323468094
The Sith want galaxy domination at all cost, so whenever they do something good, it's mostly and correctly summed that it's towards that goal.
The Jedi are backwards on this since they do evil shit like lying, manipulating people and facts, etc, just to maintain the peace and good.
Atton is right by saying that the Jedi do erroneous evil acts but they do it with good intentions and for a good purpose. Plus, they just like to sit back not claim anything.

>>323468284
She was 'strong in the Force' which tells us a lot and she like was just open about fucking and was more questionable of the Jedi Code.

>>323468234
Her goal was to kill the force. She didn't care which side she was on, because to her, the forces manipulates ANYONE who can sense it anyway.

My issue with KOTOR2 is its deification of some of the characters

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>>323454839
Nice tsundere

>>323469004
She knew she couldn't kill the Force and hoped that by putting everything against the Exile as a challenge with proper guidance, it might help future generations. A good intention

>>323469107
To be fair, to a normal person, a person strong in the Force is practically a godamm God.
It's the reason why people like HK-47 and Atton are interesting, they bring down insanely powerful people despite being normal.

>>323469202
>>323454839
Her descendant appears in TOR as a Padawan who gets killed.

>>323469332
>To be fair, to a normal person, a person strong in the Force is practically a godamm God.
No, it isn't fair because no other force user is built up like this. Revan, the Exile, and Kreia are held as some sort of dieties. KOTOR1 did not have this issue or atleast not as bad as KOTOR2. I also blame KOTOR2 for a lot of the more retarded hate toward TOR. People didn't like seeing these characters that were built up as god beings brought back down to Earth.

Also force users aren't gods to normal people. Mandolorians, Bounty hunters, even low life criminals in both Kotor1 and 2 brag about having killed jedi. They're far above a normal person but with ingenuity, a non-force user can beat them. Especially by exploiting the fact they rely on the force

>>323469440
Really?
Where?

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>>323467897
Darth Xtroyer

>>323469854
>these characters that were built up as god beings brought back down to Earth.
>ruined = brought back down to Earth
>retconned = brought back down to Earth
Uh huh.

Though you ignore a simple fact. The lower the amount of Jedi and Sith in the galaxy, the more powerful each individual is. Only the strong remain in a purge.

>>323469978
Black Talon. The last boss of the instance is named something Baan. Same last name, same race. It's not explicity said to be her descendant but I doubt that it's a coincidence and is just a reference to her.

>>323469332
No she pretty intentional wanted to fuck up the force, as least in the default ending of 2. She intended to use Malachor send permanent echoes through the force if not severe people from it altogether. She absolutely reviled the force, and was fully intent on damaging it as much as she could even if it cost her own life.

>>323470056
How were they ruined? This is what I mean, people consider them ruined because KOTOR2 built them up as God being special snowflakes and TOR did not keep this trend going and brought them back in line with KOTOR1. Most peoples complaints seem to stem from Revan and the Exile getting defeated like bitches instead of triumphantly winning despite facing a far stronger opponent

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>>323451931

>>323470159
I killed her son?

>Making Darth a mark of the sith

For what purpose.

>>323470306
>it's Kotor 2 fault for making TOR shit
Heh

>>323470306
How is completely ignoring the strength of an existing character and having him get killed in a mid level dungeon not ruining?

>>323450025

I never understood why Revan and Malak became Darths but kept their names.

So either they didn't pick new names or everyone always call them by their Sith names. Seems weird.

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Revan killed Yusanis to destabilise the Republic, de facto ruining Kreia's life as well

and yet Kreia shlicks to Revan all the time

>>323463512
>>323465325

You do realize that she was not the Echani general's wife, right? That's what sparked the outrage and what caused her exile. The Echani gneeral was already married when Kreia, then known as Arren Kae, had an affair with him, which resulted in Brianna the Handmaiden.

>>323470649
The one thing TFA did right.

>>323471050
neither Revan nor Malak are names, anon

Revan is just a short form of The Revanchist, leader of the Revanchist fraction that led to the Mandalorian Wars

Alek Squintquargesimus adapted the alias of "Malak" to operate within the Republic without getting arrested, also his real name was too fucking long for most people

>>323465997
You have shit tier taste in characters.

>>323469854
The only off the wall character is Nihilius, who can eat planets, and even that is explained, though not really elaborated on. Revan was just a good commander. Exile only true power was her bonding skill. Kreia wasn't strong at all. She's a naggy bitch.

Why people considered these characters ruined is 10 years of no sequel, and head canon. Also the sequel being a shit game. Excluding Nihilius, none of these characters hold a candle to someone like Starkiller.

>>323471015
Because that strength wa sonly made by KOTOR2, in KOTOR1 he wasn't this God being. Also how is it ignoring strength? Do people just assume the player characters are weak/generic nobodies? Each player character class is a giant Mary sue. The inquisitor has the power of like 6 sith lords combined inside of him as well as becoming a dark council member from a slave in like a year, the warrior is the emperors wrath, the bounty hunter is the best hunter in the galaxy and sucessfully hunted and killed several targets every other major bounty hunter couldn't take down, as well as killing the Jedi battlemaster and a few other high power targets, the agent is ingenious enough to take on a dark council member with nothing but a fucking sniper rifle.

The republic side is really even more ridiculous for its force users.

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>>323469440
>>323470159

>descendant

Protip: Ban is the name of a Twi'lek clan, just like Vao is for Mission. A shitload of Twi'leks that aren't blood related take on their clan names as their last names.

>>323471219
I don't remember the Echani general having a wife. I'm pretty sure he was only with Kae.

>>323470306
>you kill Revan and loot his pants
>not ruined
okay

>>323460230
Well
And Revan

>>323471640
So Revan should be unkillable? Why?

>>323468257
She's a fucking Sith. She uses you, she manipulates you, she betrays you, she expects you to do the same. Following her advice puts you very strongly on the "dark side" path. Her entire goal was to annihilate the Jedi; not simply by slaughtering them all like Sion/Nihilus/Malak wanted, but by showing them that their philosophy was flawed and causing them to fall, thus annihilating the Jedi as an ideology, similar to what Revan did except less overtly. The entire purpose of her character, in addition to being a creator avatar, was to fuck around with the player by taking their expectations of the wise old mentor character and flipping it around.

>>323471424
Also Revan doesn't even truly die from this, he comes back and this time it takes the strength of the PC, The current leader of the empire in the emperors absence, the Jedi order Grandmaster, a wookie, a SIS agent and another sith lord. And he isn't even "whole" when this fight happens. The Exile and Revan are also mentioned as the only two beings to ever resist the emperors power and influence (except for the JK PC) and considering how The Sith Emperor is basically force malestrom Palpatine tier...

>>323471424
Not at level 38 they aren't.

So did TOR take down the godlike characters down a notch or were you able to kill godlike characters because the player character is godlike? Got to work on your consistency there anon.

>>323471704
Dude, I think what he means is that an MMORPG is not a pleasant setting for a game such as Kotor where people just want to chill and play a nice RPG living a scenario that holds itself.


Sorry, killing Revan just like it's Illidan from WoW?

Fuck off please.

I always fate she was a fable character whenever she was posted, I didn't realize this was star wars

>>323471610

>When Kae was exiled, she was welcomed by Revan to join the Revanchists and fought the Mandalorians alongside him until the Battle of Malachor V. Yusanis followed her to war, breaking an oath to a person to whom he had pledged himself...

From Kae's wookiepedia page.

The phrase

>breaking an oath to a person to whom he had pledged himself

Is basically talking about a form of marriage for the Echani.

>>323450025
That Obsidian are a bunch of fucking hacks

>>323471704
Revan shouldn't be killable by a group of 5 level 38 MMO characters.
Stop defending that stillbirth, game series ruining shit.

>>323471918
So what's your issue again? You seem to have been disproven so I don't get it.

>>323471954
Revan being a god being? Fuck off please. He's just a man and he should have died far easier than that.

>>323472013

I meant to say thought, not fate there.

>>323472082
>You seem to have been disproven so I don't get it.

Did you have a conversation in your head that you forgot to tell me? Not sure where you got that idea.

>>323471241
>kreia one-shots 3 jedi masters and removes them from the force
>turns Atris into a blubbering mess of a jedi
>turns Sion into a practice target for the Exile
>not powerful

She was very powerful. Not as powerful as Revan or Exile sure but she was still strong.

>>323472081
Why not? You have yet to give a reason. What makes Revan untouchable and unkillable by four Mary sues"? And yes, at level 38 the characters are very much Mary sues. The only argument I am seeing is "Revan should be such a Mary sue he is above every other Mary sue". Why would you want a character you like to be rivaling EU Palpatine? He was only ruined for you because KOTOR2 built your expectations of him far too much, and then he was brought down and you can't take it.

>>323472270
Still waiting for what your issue is.

>>323472046
>Revanchists
That doesn't seem to be within Kotor 2 material.

>>323472402
Revanchists is just a fancy name for the Jedi who joined Revan

>>323471241
Looking at Revan was like looking into the heart of the force. He was a considerable force user and the exile pretty much has a weaker, but manageable version of Nihilus' power.

>>323472402

Yeah, I think it was actually brought up for the first time in that KOTOR comic.

>>323472486
I still need to know where 'breaking an oath to a person to whom he had pledged himself' comes from. Either the comics or Kotor 2.

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>>323472745
Yusanis was an ambassador who had an affair with Kreia, he had a wife and a bunch of daughters before

it's that simple

>>323472665
>jedi
>seeing anything beyond their code
I just enjoy how the game paints the entire Jedi order as shitstains or par with the Sith

>>323467302

Why was he the best sith?

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>>323472917
because he has cool robes

>>323472890
I enjoy how the entire game points to the Jedi Order doing nothing wrong. All of the major problems in both KOTORs were directly or indirectly caused by people ignoring the Jedi Council.

>>323472373
>MMO that banns players for going into the wrong PvP zones
>banning players for World PVP and going full dmg control when they're being called out on the forums
>the gameplay is shitty WoW gameplay, why play faux WoW when I can play WoW
>faux free2play model where the most basic features are locked behind paywalls, want to play anything in endgame? too bad
>story mode is a cringefest of pandering to bioware players from romancing your shitty companions to turning them into sex slaves, it reeks of pandering to really sad lonely people

If I missed anything feel free to correct me :^)

>>323463468
It had better waifus

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>>323472997

>>323472825
Sources and claims made from sources are never simple because autism demands it.

One is that the Jedi exiled her because she bore a child and another is that the Jedi order exiled her because she had an affair.
The former is more in line to how the Jedi Order acts in general and the latter is more scandalous.

I just want to know where it said he was married and had an oath to someone else.

>>323471826
Holy shit, you missed the point harder than the guy you were shitting on

>>323473137
Jedi Order did nothing wrong because it did nothing at all

>>323473163
Mission is the only good slave girl in Kotor 1.
Kotor 2 had Mira, Visad and the Handmaiden begging to be broken by you.

>>323473165
Zez Kai el is the only redeemable jedi in the council.

Fuck the others.

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>>323473137
>ignoring the Jedi Council
Revan was right to go to war though. The Jedi Council were a bunch of fucking idiots.

>>323473367
That Jedi Guardian guy was alright. Why is Zez Kai alright?

>>323473139
What does this have to do with anything? I didn't ask why you hated TOR, I asked what your issue was with how Revan and other characters were treated and why you felt they were "not shown to be as powerful as they should be"

>>323473367
guy who was so afraid that he decided to hide in Nar Shaddaa, where Force echoes are everywhere

he was dumb as a brick

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>>323473402

>>323473486
No Vrook and him are big liars and hypocrites.
Atris, I'd fuck her in a heartbeat but she is a cold hearted bitch.


Zez Kai seemd much more wise and honest about the exile.

>>323473591
That's why he chose nar shadaa

>>323473250
>falling for Kreia's ruse

>>323473708
he was so close to understanding what the fuck happened to the Exile

but he chose to become an autist

>>323458087
>>323465937

I only played maybe half of KOTOR, and I never really have seen any of the Star Wars, but I think you're getting close to addressing the point OP brings up.

Within even the darkest night, there is always a seed of light. And even within what seems to be the brightest day, there is necessarily a shadow.

It is only in relation that these concepts exist. They cannot exist without eachother -- they are both complimentary and opposites. They undulate and take turns.

This is actually one of the harder parts about understanding the notion of the Force and the Jedi Order for me. Because the Light and Dark side as presented in Star Wars do not necessarily exactly correspond with "evil" and "good". In fact, Light and Dark are more like Order and Chaos. Harmony and Discord.

That Jedi are always trying to preserve balance seems to necessitate its fall.

So wherever there is order -- whether a Jedi Order or an Empire -- there is always that which weathers away at its base.

No reign lasts forever. For any hero to arise, there must be a villian to necessitate the heroic deeds.

There must be a vacuum, a void, for the universe to usher forth that which fills it.

So especially in the Star Wars universe, for the Player, for a Protagonist, for a Game, for a Movie, for a Story to exist --

there must always be a Darth Traya.

>>323473692

>>323473482
I still wonder if Kotor 1 was a criticism of the Prequels. The Jedi joined the Clone Wars much much too quickly imo. Kotor showed the opposite where the council refused to help because of 'a hidden threat' much like how the Sith were a hidden threat behind the CIS and a shadowery figure controlling the Senate.

>>323473814
There's a video somewhere where the Jedi Council all recognize what they felt on their respective planets rather than be ignorant.

>>323473212
The handmaidens. Both them and Brianna mention that they all share a father, but the last of the handmaidens has a different mother. If you probe her about it she'll reveal she's the child of an affair with the jedi.

>>323463468
I enjoy both

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>>323473862
>there must always be a Darth Traya.

>>323450025
Kreia was a pretty hit or miss character. I really enjoyed her because she felt like a true mentor and her views of the force were very interesting and different from the other views of the force. I guess other people were just annoyed with her and didn't care for what she said.

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>>323474453

>>323463468
KotOR 1 had better worldbuilding and setting. The planets themselves were more interesting, and learning about the Rakata and the Sand People was top-tier (up until they introduced le superweapon Star Forge, of course).

KotOR 2 had a much better, more subtle plot, and better characters.

Thus, I think overall both games were equal in terms of everything other than gameplay; each had its own strengths and weaknesses. However, since the gameplay of 2 was unarguably improved (workbenches actually did something, more weapons, more variety in builds, and more dialogue/quest options), I think 2 is the slightly better game overall.

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>>323474660

>>323474806
>gameplay of 2 was unarguably improved
It was diarrhea easy in comparison.

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this part was fucking hell

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>>323474952

>>323450025
>Darth Traya

So after all the philosophical mumbo jumbo she ended up as a Sith at the end?

>>323473486
The moustache, hair and the earring make him metal as fuck.

>>323474492
>Finn will become the new darth traya in episode 8 and 9 and get crushed by the loyal trooper

>>323475032
That's kind of the point.

>>323475319
She was always a Sith.

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>>323475198

>>323475319

She was a Sith, but later became true neutral after the other Sith Lords turned on her.

>>323475319
No. She pretended to fall again so you'd kill her. Or she was Sith all along just a slightly more LS Sith. I forget.

>>323475078
I always just give up, how are you supposed to find him?

>>323473708

He means Kavar, on Onderon.

>>323474806
>However, since the gameplay of 2 was unarguably improved
Adding upgrades to items improves nothing. The whole system is fucked at the core and balance is all over the place. If anything, the upgrading broke the game even further.
But then again, it's not like there's any way to fix a game where your tactical options will always boil down to spamming your preferred method of attack over and over again.

>>323475515
>>323475518
Why are people so fucking stupid.

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>>323475480

>>323475545

Eventually one of the other bar patrons tells you what room he's in and you just have to ask everyone there.

>>323475319
She ended up neither. Kreia is just Kreia.

>>323475564
Kavar is pretty chill. He's almost as good as Revan.

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>>323475782

>>323475319
She became an obstacle for the Exile to overcome. Everything Kreia did was done to strengthen the Exile.

>>323475545
Question all of them until you find one that accidentally refers to himself in the first person. If you have a high enough Wisdom you call him out on it.

It's one of the ones in the south corner of the first Gand room.

>>323475805
Why then "Darth Traya"?

>>323475692

> literally trying to destroy the living force, which would mean death for all force sensitives, Jedi and Sith (including herself)

You're right bruh, totally just le ebin sith lord

>>323476129
Because a sacrifice is different from a fall.

>>323476169
>believing the lies of a liar

>>323476069
>She became an obstacle for the Exile to overcome
She could have been an obstacle without "Darth Traya" and Sith imagery.

>>323451931
Tibs bedora xd

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>>323475782

>>323475596
>>323475032
Both games are piss-easy, and can be min-maxed. At least 2 gave you more options (through combat, weapons, dialogue, quests, etc.). In a game like this, giving the player more more options is never a bad thing. A few options may make the game even easier than 1, but at least the player is more free to make those choices.

>>323476129
Because she needed Sion, Malachor V and herself as the enemy to provide a final test to you. Whatever she calls herself at the moment is only to manipulate people. She has her own set of beliefs neither Jedi nor Sith would approve of.

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>>323476514

>>323476357
Liars don't always lie though.

>>323476360
Could she? After defeated Sion, the Jedi Masters and Nihilus, what else is there?

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>Play entire game light side
>Make 1 mistake by not supporting the queen but instead support general vulka or whatshisface name
>No worries, i'll just double cross this guy when I can
>There is literally no opportunity to do so
>Must kill jedi master
>Everyone mad
>YOU ARE DARK SIDE YOU FILTHY SITH

Well, at least I got the charge up Visas loading ramp.

>>323476360
It makes sense for her to be a Sith. The Exile has to defeat all of the Sith on Malachor. Her being a Sith is better than her being her regular self in a Sith academy that she created.

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I fucking love this game.

>>323450025
>betrayal
>etrayal
>trayal
>traya
HOLY SHIT ITS LIKE HER NAME IS BETRAYAL???

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>>323450025
>female jedis

>>323476720
>not supporting the Queen
Why? Seriously, just why?

>>323476885
Strength wise, women always lose but if you add magic, it lets them come on top. And I'm fine with that.
Especially in a galaxy where every girl has a perfect body and most women should become slaves.

>>323450025
Someone who tests the new bloods

>>323477008
He's probably a yuropoor and the whole european union undertone triggered him.

Who would make a better mother?
Bastilla?
Visas?
Handmaiden?

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>>323476636

>>323476826
Welcome to Star Wars Sith Naming 101

>>323477271
Handmaiden.

Mate with Handmaiden.

Love Handmaiden.

The game's been out for fucking years and there are still always endless discussions about the story, Kreia's motives, and what the fuck was going on. Still endless opinions. It's a damn shame it was never finished and they pulled that 2deep4u bullshit instead of writing a coherent story. But since it was anything but SW's usual childish "perfect good guys vs 100% super evil bad guys" it's praised as amazing. I hate being a SW fan, it's eternal suffering through huge piles of shit for a few nuggets of gold.

>>323477271
they're all a bit messed up in the head

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>>323477313

>>323450025
Darth Straya m8

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>>323477461

>>323477447
what EU project you'd recommend? I read Thrawn, TotJ and KotOR

>>323477271
Probably Handmaiden. She's the least batshit insane out of them.

>>323477605
do a sick force crush uleh

>>323477447

> It's a damn shame it was never finished

Restored content mod rounds out the story nicely

>>323477735
It's still pretty rough.

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>>323477619

>>323451510
I'm not sure what sort of "fun" build one would have to make to not end up unstoppable. One handed blaster with no force speed and all feats in +skill?

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>>323477859

>>323455959
Roles off the tongue pretty well, really.

>>323477863
I'm trying 2 blasters sneak attack right now.

Sure it doesn't kill with 2 out of 4 attacks it gets in a round, but killing an enemy in 1/2 rounds is fine. I'm guessing bosses are going to be a bitch since I cant CC them for sneak attacks.

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>>323478173
mitra is that fucking hat catholic bishops wear

>>323471826

You're a fucking idiot

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>>323478119

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Why do people find Kreia's advice to be confusing? She literally tells you that she's there to make you think about what you're doing. So easy to make her happy and get influence with her if you think about it for any amount of time

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>>323478438

>>323477809

Not really, desu. There aren't really any dropped story lines and a ton of memorable moments

> Siege of Khoonda
> Nar Shaddaa Assassin's Ball
> HK Factory
> Jedi Council's betrayal
> Storming of Malachor V as a fully amped up Jedi and carving through legions of Sith like a hot knife through butter

Restored content mod is one of the best joint gameplay/story experiences that I've ever had

>>323478415
Everything in that post is based on factual information provided by the game. Prove it's wrong.

>>323478272
Double blasters are probably the next best thing after force lightning spam. As easy as everything, but at least you don't have to run up to shit first like with sabers.

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>>323478660

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>>323450582
>im not like the other jedi, i walk the fine like between dark and light side of the force because im speshul

>>323478791
As far as pure damage goes I'm pretty sure crit sabers do a fuckton more damage because of the triple crit multiplier lightsaber form and overpowered crystals. The first of my 4 attacks that crits pretty much kills most normal mobs with the 150 damage it does.

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>>323478968

People who like KOTOR 1 are the same idiots who like Fallout 3.

>>323477639
I'll give you Visas because she had a pretty hard life but Bastilla's baggage is just some garden variety parental abandonment. although I guess being a former sith for a week after some torture would be a problem

>>323479083
Speaking of which, is there a list of what the forms actually do in mechanical terms?

>>323478667
Malachor V is still shit. The place is as empty as always (save for the legions of sith that die when you fart at them) and the companion scenes are clearly only a fragment of everything that was planned, making them feel pretty jarring. The prison reunion being the cherry on top, consisting of a whole three lines blatantly transplanted from a party banter comment that was supposed to fire on the surface.
But yeah, the restoration mod otherwise improves the game a lot. There are some lines that probably shouldn't have been restored and were cut for reasons other than rushing the game, but overall it's a definite improvement.

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>>323473692
Faggot agenda, okay personality.

>>323472997
Good agenda, but the worst personality.

>>323473165
>Lets hide on a overpopulated metal landscape and do nothing!
Gee what a faggot. At the least he doesn't seem fucked in the head.

The only thing i loathed about the summit is that you can't complete it. Since its not finished.

>>323479184
http://lparchive.org/Knights-of-the-Old-Republic-II/Update%2047/

>>323479083
Critsaber is an overkill really. Most things drop dead in one turn anyway once you get your build rolling. At least with blasters you don't have to run up to them/suffer horrible force jump wonkiness to steamroll things quickly.

>>323478476
People have real trouble reading things that are written 100% straight.
They need there to be things between the lines to not be confused as fuck.
Also why lawyer as a occupation exists, partially.

>>323479469
You can see exactly what they do in the powers menu.

>>323477447
Same with Fallout New Vegas.
I wonder what these games have in common, I wonder.

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>>323479184

>>323479468
Bastilla is your typical tsundere, so if she ends up full dere, she's the best. We just never see her get to that point.

>>323450372
>WoW
>Not Warcraft
Faggot

>>323479490

> Malachor V is still shit. The place is as empty as always

I liked it that way. The place was literally a wound in the Force - it makes sense that it was twisted, confusing and desolate.

The prison reunion was a bit forced, I agree, but there's only so much they could do with what they had.

Disney's been updating KOTOR 2 regularly on Steam, I'd love it if they did an HD remaster that incorporated the restored content along with new polish from the original VAs.

Would you fuck Atris?

>>323480653
I would hate fuck her with the fury of a million burning suns then cuddle with her afterwards

>>323480295
She had Revan's kid and quit the Jedi to raise their child. Must have sucked with only the occasional help from Aunt Mission and Uncle Jolee

>>323480653

> tfw Artis was originally supposed to be stunning but console grafix couldn't handle the complex model
> tfw she was also supposed to be secretly in love with the Exile, which only added to her resentment
> tfw we will never see a Blue is the Warmest Color-esque romance scene between the two

>>323480653
Of course. How is that even a question?
Hell, all of this could have been prevented if only she was given the d earlier.

>>323480295
She pretty much goes full dere on the Star Forge.

>>323479083
Using Plague power to cripple Darth Sion and Choke him when his attributes are low enough to penetrate his defense.

Watching an undying brute being defeat like that is amusing.

>>323480924
I canon the Sith ending of Kotor 1 so both Mission and Jolee are dead.

>>323481048
>that bit about loving you
Even my normie friend liked it

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>>323480224

>>323479608
off topic but I saw that picture and had to ask any other old JKA players returning to the game? Surprisingly it's still alive, moreso than the days it started dying out in the early PS3 era

I've noticed me and the few other old players I've ran into will eventually lead to it dying again. Most of the new guys ragequit when faced with ye olde' 2006 saber techniques.

>>323480970
Why was the love interest route even cut out?

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>>323480970

She was also supposed to become Darth Traya and then when you defeated her, provided certain conditions were fulfilled, you could redeem her and have her as one of your companions.

>tfw no Atris gf

>>323481048
Evil dere isn't really dere imo.

>>323481363
You cannot redeem one who has fallen so far.

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>>323481250

>>323481108
>you can CC bosses

I thought they were immune to any crowd control ability. Fuck I need to put points into plague then. I always ignore it because shit dies too fast to debuff most of the time.

>>323480970
>tfw she was also supposed to be secretly in love with the Exile, which only added to her resentment
Wasn't even really cut. It's subtle, but there's enough left in the game with what Kreia says and how the second Telos visit (both Kreia's and yours) goes to see it.
And of course if you get restoration mod, the scenes with Handmaiden make it pretty damn obvious she has a serious unrequited love problem.

>>323481464
It becomes good dere if you're lightside and you talk her out of her emo phase.

>>323481345

Same reason a lot of great content was cut out - lack of time/money.

Disney really needs to release a fully restored/polished overhaul. They have the rights to something pretty special.

>>323481649

They allude to it a few times, but it would be nice if their relationship had some closure, either through redemption, acceptance or rejection.

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>>323481476

>>323481590
I think only Kreia is practically immune. Her saves are fucking ridiculous to the point I don't think it's even possible to CC her. Does Kotor even have crit fails on a 1?
Sion definitely can get choked like a bitch.

>>323481590
Plague has like 100 DC, unless the target is a droid, no one could resist its effect.

>>323481909
Eh, I like it that way. I think the line where you offer Atris your apology is closure enough. Too much shit has happened between you for any relationship to be feasible.

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>>323481930

>>323481963
>I don't think it's even possible to CC her
Tell that to Sion and his force choke.

>>323482092
I thought bosses were completely immune to actual crowd controlling abilities. Stasis and whatnot. Thank god they're not though. I thought my sneak attacks were going to be useless.

>>323481296
I still play it off and on. It'll never really die out completely, but there are like 2 or 3 semi full servers at any given time.

I miss the days that clans ran ongoing servers on the custom maps. Jedi's Home, Sith Academy, and all that.

>>323482170
Kreia says it best, it is tragedy born out of silence, the true failure of the Jedi.
Things might have been different but the Jedi code forbade it.

>>323482170

>the line where you offer Atris your apology

Completely forgot about that - you're absolutely right. Christ, I forgot how good this game was

>>323481735
Oh it would never happen and that fucking sucks, I would love to see Kotor 2 fully fleshed out with most of the cut content finished and added.

>>323481735
They aren't that nuanced, I doubt it. It might work better for a Revan trilogy.

>>323482312
Sion is prone to these attacks because you can lower his defense through persuading him. May be Sion is kind of a brute so his Will defense is also lower .

Kreia is difficult to CC because she is a consular which gives her higher defense on resisting force power.

>>323454839
>Darth Traya
>Darth Betrayer

that or
>Darth STRAYA!

>>323480461
It was said in WoW, dipstick.

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>>323482307

>>323482783
Force Wave should work on her then, considering it's a reflex save.

>>323482823
How about Darth Tray?

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>>323482929

>>323482461
>>323482469

They've had at least 3 major updates to KOTOR 2 since Disney took over the IP, including a graphics overhaul, controller support and fully supported incorporation of the cut content mod into Steam workshop.

I agree, it's unlikely, but it's clear someone at LucasArts is paying attention to KOTOR 2 in particular (they haven't done the same for KOTOR 1).

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>>323483113

>>323483029
Sounds like some shitty DJ

>>323483162
>they haven't done the same for KOTOR 1

I wish they fucking would, KOTOR2 is my preference of the two but KOTOR1 was still solid enough for anyone like me that eats up anything star wars related. Can't play it without it crashing every 5 minutes. The worst I get in KOTOR2 is having to alt-tab out then back in after FMV sequences

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>>323483250

>>323483258
How about Darth Aya?

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>>323483574

>>323483475

I had the same problem - worked it out by playing in windowed mode.

>>323470051
Darth Ithead

So how was bastila captured and held on taris in the first game? It's been a decade since I played it.

I loved Kotor and Revan is my favorite EU character, but fuck me if Kotor 2 isn't a lot more well written, Too bad it got so much content cut off and we need mods to play it properly.

>>323450582
>Kreia is a Sith Lord

Did you play the game?

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>>323483751

>>323483834
She lost her lightsaber like a little tard.

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>/v/ will never get together and make its own KOTOR mod

All the tools are out there.

>>323482823

> deep in the heart of Malachor V
> encounter Darth STRAYA
> Bogan clad in a wifebeater and short shorts
> after you defeat him in battle, he asks you to kill him so his mates won't find out
> you refuse
> he calls you a weak cunt and summons 3 Koala bears to finish you off

>>323483914
This is why lightsabers should always have a string attached to your wrist so that you never fucking drop or lose them.

>>323483892
Did you pay attention during the game? She was always a Sith Lord.

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>>323484032
Going to bed. Have a good time chatting, anons.

>>323484034
Why make a shitty mod? I'd rather pay Obsidian to get Avellone to write Kotor 3 and do whatever he wants.

So what was the mass shadow generator anyway?

>>323464914
If you took his mask off, would he die?

>>323484201
>Obsidian
>Avellone

No one has told him yet. Poor anon.

>>323484262

Basically a gravity bomb - killed everyone on the planet and sucked in most of the capital ships participating in the battle towards the husk.

>>323484262
What is basically does is fuck with the gravity of a planet.

So all the ships orbiting Malachor V crashed into the planet from the massive and quick increase in the strength of gravity.

>>323484425
So how did the Exile and Bao Dur survive it?

>>323484201
I have some really bad news for you Anon

>>323484505

They were just out of range - remember, they were the ones who built it and decided to set it off.

>>323484505
Presumably fucked off far enough from the area since they knew what was going to happen.

>>323484034
>All the tools are out there.

Then get to work.

>>323484505
Presumably their ship was far away to get away or survive.

>>323484201
>>323484423
>>323484773

Eh, Avellone is obviously god-tier, but J.E. Sawyer was responsible for some of the most interesting content in F:NV. I'm sure Obsidian has a deep enough bench to make it work.

>>323484530
Why did they even cut it?
The place was 90% finished and all the dialogue there is hilarious. Instead they chose to trash it all and leave a billion hints towards visiting the HK factory in the game.

>>323484773
Is it ever addressed exactly why Bao-dur built the Mass Shadow Generator? It's easy to come to a conclusion why he built it based off of what else me know about him even if it's not stated exactly.
Bao-dur hates Mandalorians > He invents something meant to kill lots of Mandalorians.

>>323484957
I'm not too optimistic. Pillars were pretty bland apart from what Avellone and Ziets wrote - and both of them were sacked.

>>323484864
I'm talking about a collab nigger.

>>323485056
Because it was fucking garbage and they didn't have time to make the gameplay not suck ass.

>>323485208
He was probably ordered to come up with a weapon of mass destruction and that's what he came up with.

>>323485208
I don't think it was a personal project.
He was an engineer on the side of the republic and probably built it because he was ordered to

>>323485208

It was one of many weapons he designed for the Republic during the war. I think he mentions that he built it when he was a Lieutenant, but before he was working under the Exile.

>>323485350
Then get to work.

>>323485208
He was an engineer, and a good one. Killing Mandies is what he signed up for after all. He gets the order, he does it.
Most likely the generator was in some part Revan's idea. HK and Kreia hint that he saw Malachor as a chance to purge the ranks from all the less loyal Jedi. A device like that was perfect for this goal.
>>323485364
The gameplay sucks ass in the entire series. All that had to be done was cut the number of the HK-50s in half and the place suddenly becomes tolerable combat-wise.

>>323463468
>worse characters
>worse story
>worse combat
>worse villains
>same graphics

How can anyone hold this opinion.

Am I the only one who thinks that Peragus is one of the best parts of the game? It had proper System Shock 2 vibe about it. Which is also very unusual for a Star Wars game.

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>>323463468

>>323486178
It suffers from what most heavily scripted, linear intro dungeons do. It's ok the first run through, but has zero replayability.
It doesn't help that Peragus is really fucking long.

>>323456475
Is Kylo Ren the best dj name since Vader? Kind of disappointing really.

>>323468094
I liked how 2 addressed that whole thing by showing how the Jedi and the Sith just seemed like the same thing to the average person. Revan's whole rebellion thing was even called the Jedi Civil War

>>323470242
No, that was the premise she used to get the exile to kill Atris run over to Malachor

>>323486178

I think it was a very good tutorial/hook for the universe (You spend most of your time solving the mystery of what happened on the station). That said, they could have included an option to skip it that unlocked after you beat the game the first time.

>>323486014
>All that had to be done was cut the number of the HK-50s in half and the place suddenly becomes tolerable combat-wise.

The HK factory is piss easy. I honestly don't understand how people could have trouble with it when there's only one easily avoided damage type to deal with.

>>323486178
nah, I always liked it too. It was telos that I hated until you get to the ice academy, the rest of the game is all good after that in my books

>>323469107
Like who?
Nihilus was mentally challenged, Sion was always getting manipulated and the exile was just a Jedi who bonded easily

>Traya

HOL UP

>>323486682
Difficulty wasn't the problem. It was too long, too boring, enemies at that level were damage sponges, it was just a pain in the ass to go through.

>>323486841
AYYO

SO U SAYIN WE WUZ SOME KINNA

HOL UP HOL UP

*ignites thriftstore lightsaber*

WE WUZ SOME KINNA

MUTHAFUCKIN

JEDI LORDS N SHITTTTT?

>>323486830
He's talking about Revan you retard.

>>323486980
It only seems long because you can't Force Speed your way through.