So Team Ninja is to blame, right? I don't fucking give a shit with what those sick pervert pigs do with crap like DOA, BUT YOU DON'T FUCKING DO THAT SHIT TO METROID.
>WAAAAAH WHY DID YOU GIVE CHARACTER TO MY CARDBOARD CUT OUT
Literally you. Other M is easily the best Metroid ever made because it has a story with likeable characters and a good protagonist.
The story is the least of the game´s problems.
I actually had no problem with it. The game is shit because it has 0 exploration, most rooms are corridors, there is a save point you HAVE to use ebery 4 rooms, combat is broken and boring
Im halfway through it now. Trying to give this game a fair shake. Played it after playing Prime 1 + 2. "
>On screen prompts are big, obtrusive and keep reminding you of shit you learned in the first ten minutes of the game.
>Low battery warning on screen NEVER goes away until you change batteries, blocking another chunk of screen.
>infinite health and ammo
>authorization system stops making sense after first weapon is authorized.
>all around boring so far. cant wait for it to be over.
Metroid Fusion gave Samus character without completely ruining what everyone wanted from her.
Other M should have gone the same way with it.
Samus was a pathetic mess in Other M. In Fusion she's literally in immediate danger of being hunted down and slaughtered but doesn't even worry about it because she's a genetically engineered super soldier.
Actually, almost all of the creepy shit was because of Sakamoto specifically. He oversaw Team Ninja's work on all the cutscenes, he wrote the entire script, he did the voice direction for the VAs, Samus is literally his waifu and guys who work at Nintendo sometimes mock his obsession with her.
Team Ninja were just means to an end.
Honestly I think the Japs were mad jelly that they were bested by American Metroid Prime Developers. Prime had already laid the groundwork for what a good 3d metroid should offer. Japs just started from square 1 out of xenophobic spite and then took two steps backward.
The game was meant to be 2.5D, much like Klonoa. However, Team Ninja suggested it be 3D, so the Metroid team obliged, as long as it would only use the Wiimote. Team Ninja had problems, so Sakamoto threatened to cancel the game if they couldn't get their own idea to work.
The cutscenes were actually directed by the folks at D-Rockets, who are...TEAM NINJA!
The game has good bosses, but that's about it? It's like a 6. It plays and looks nice at times. Problems all stem from both teams' problems. Also, NO KENJI YAMAMOTO.
Nintendo actually fought Sakamoto internally every step of the way to try and make OM less shit, but since Sakamoto was project head, he had to approve every detail before they could progress.
People could pick apart OM for a hundred reasons, but the bottom line answer is that Sakamoto is no longer willing or capable of making 2D Metroid, and they won't give the IP to another person outside of Prime, so basically they will never make another 2D metroid because the Dude who would push for that (its creator) no longer has any interest in it.
Hell, he had no interest in making another Metroid even when he helmed Other M. Throughout development he went against his own dev rules (which he had established back in the early days, like purple Gravity Suit being required and etc), fought against everyone else's opinions, and only cared about the shitty space drama he wanted to write.
He wanted OM to be like a cinematic experience, except he had no fucking idea how to write a dialogue-heavy narrative, and most of the subplots in OM are forgotten halfway through or just handwaved.
if you replace Adam with Yoshio Sakamoto, OM suddenly makes perfect sense. It's simultaneously a ""game"" (gameplay outsourced obviously cuz sakamoto could give less of a fuck how it plays, only cutscenes mattered) and also his own little torture porn movie for Samus, where he can bend the character to his will, against reason, against the notion of 'self-preservation', and Samus just obeys because she's written to obey.
because seniority. japanese honorabru-ness. he is held in high regard, iwata was even laughing as he and sakamoto discussed the utter retardation of OM development, as if it was a 'funny memory' they shared, like "wow remember that time you were a huge pain in my ass making this shitty game? ha ha ha, we learned so much"
There actually is a dude in Team Ninja who's partially responsible, along with Sakamoto, for the shitty story but by and large Team Ninja's only fault is that they put in some boring, repetitive gameplay. I don't care what control scheme they were stuck with, the gameplay stunk.
I always thought Samus must of been a hell of a badass to do the shit she does without going crazy or something , then I saw other m and just wondered how she could even wipe her ass without Adam telling her what to do. What kind of immature shit was that "Thumbs up" Thumbs down" thing about? trying to make Samus moe?
It's not that uncommon for Nintendo outsources their second-tier franchises and characters and the results aren't always pretty. It's not a new thing. For every F-Zero and Zelda: Oracle of ..., you get a Starfox Adventures or Other M
God dammit fuck Miyamoto, it didn't even have to be a StarFox game
Retconning all of that stuff out of StarFox Zero is his way of saying he's not proud of Adventures, but that game was his fault to begin with
Both Parties are to blame. Sakamoto ruined the story, Samus & Adam's characterization, controls, & localization. Hayashi ruined the gameplay, the only thing I will favor Sakamoto on is him wanting less Zero Suit, but there was still way too much Zero Suit.
Wrong. Sakamoto insisted the Wiimote be the only way to control the game because he wanted everyone to nostalgia boner over the original NES Metroid by holding and using the Wiimote like an NES controller. Team Ninja kept saying that it would fuck up the gameplay but Sakamoto wouldn't budge.
He's also the one who made them change the Gravity Suit to a purple aura because he couldn't understand who the purple person in the cutscenes was.
Probably because Sakamoto wanted to give a tiny reference to the Prime games despite him saying they're non-canon. The big problem is how you can't move at all while firing Missiles.
>we accepted Samus back in 1986
>we've accepted female characters for the last 30 years
>Sakamoto rapes Samus, people get pissed
>"Oh, I see, you all hate game because it has female character, gamers hate female characters!"
It's like when Tameem and his sycophant gaming sites declared DmC failed because everyone hated there being no white hair.
>Nintendo actually fought Sakamoto
I thought that was Team Ninja. Source? I know Team Ninja was like "wait, why shouldn't the grav suit be purple?" and "this control scheme sucks".
Honestly the thing I'll never understand is that you'd think if there was any game that the kinds of people that get pissy about women representation in video games would rally against it'd be this, but if anything I see a lot of those kinds of folks hold this title up as being great.
I don't understand how Nintendo fucking floods the market with 2D platformers and yet none of them are Metroid ones
So many indie games pride themselves on being inspired by Metroid so clearly there's a market for a game in this nature
Didn't he relent on that because of pressure from fans and Nintendo? I remember some interview where they asked him about the Prime series and he kind of skirted around it and said "well, I see all of the Metroid games as a story" or something.
No, that stuff was happening at Nintendo, the only things Team Ninja did were gameplay and suit design, I think? Sakamoto didn't care how it played at all, he was completely focused on the cutscenes and such (hence Theater Mode)
Sakamoto was at fault for all the horrible decisions.
"Nintendo can do no wrong" fanboys try to use Team Ninja as a scapegoat.
Sometimes series don't need to evolve if what they turn into is shit like Other M.
I'm not personally a gigantic fan of the prime games (they aren't bad, mind you, not by a longshot) but if a metroid as a series needs to change for a modern audience something like that obvious works better than what they did with Other M.
Team Ninja did the gameplay and controls, Sakamoto told them to use only the D-pad and control sceme like an NES controller, TN kept saying it wouldn't work well, Sakamoto said "fuck you, my way, bitches". And since he was the head of the project they had to listen to him.
I'm fine with Sakamoto working on another side scroller b/c he is restricted to gameplay only, but for all things holy please DO NOT EVER have work on another 3D Metroid game ever again.
Wonder what would've happened if Team Ninja grew exasperated and just said "fuck off" before going to a higher-up and saying that Sakamoto was full of shit
They probably wouldn't ever do it due to the way Japan's shitty ass culture functions, but it would've been nice
every single aspect of OM was made badly on purpose because sakamoto's brain fucking rotted out at some point during the Prime years, and as a result he forgot how to think like a rational human being
he fucking blamed the players when everyone took a big justified shit on Other M, saying we were dumb and just ~didn't get it~
Pretty much everything wrong with Other M was Sakamoto's fault. He wrote the story, he made the gravity suit look how it did in the game, he forced the developers to make it only playable with the wiimote. He's pretty much the George Lucas of video games.
I don't understand how critics were happy with this
The good news is that Other M was a criticism game Sakamoto stated that if the fans loved the new direction they may have continued it, but if it was hated then they would drop Other M's direction & start over to see where to go what the main series next. Since Takahashi said they are planning a traditional Metroid two years ago, I can see they may have decided to go back to the series roots.
The game is basically what happens when you design by commitee. Sakamoto and Team Ninja both had their own ideas of what the game should be like. The final product reflects how well they succeeded at fusing their ideas.
His entire reason for making Other M was to show his personal vision of what he saw Samus as. And as we all found out, his vision of Samus is a sniveling, weak-willed, subservient baby with massive daddy issues, an obsession with motherhood, and who needs to be constantly reminded of her place and why she's a silly little girl in a man's world.
He doesn't want to make 2D Metroid anymore. He expressed this emphatically when developing Other M, outsourced the gameplay to someone else, and was wholly focused on turning Metroid into a cool western sci-fi movie. simply through his seniority at the company he was allowed to George-Lucas the Metroid franchise irreparably
It's not a completely irredeemable game if you haven't played Metroid before and I'd assume some of the critics haven't.
Don't get me wrong it's still bad but having Metroid slapped onto it made it much, much worse.
or you know we get a good helping of the ol'
if it succeeds that means I was correct
if it fails that means there wasn't any interest in the series anymore, regardless of what I did
The problem is that Sakamoto has a Hideo Kojima complex without any of his actual talent.
And even Kojima wasn't so vain that he thought he could voice direct english speaking voice actors.
Don't forget the ridiculous height difference with Samus in and out of the suit. How that fucking shit even functions is ridiculous, it's even worse than how Prime 3 handled it.
Can't you see that all of those angry people are only mad because Dante doesn't have white hair?! Those DMC fans, man, am I right?
Also, Dante looks weird when put into live-action American movies and it's like Brokeback Mountain withhow attractive he is, plus he'd get laughed out of every British pub with how he dresses.
I don't think they would cancel a game that far into development. Most they'll do is maybe relegate it to being Eshop exclusive to avoid losing more money on production and logistics expenses.
no that was just a factor of it. he envisioned it as a ""space drama"", apparently having no concept whatsoever of what that meant, having no prior experience in 3D Metroid cutscenes, basically Retro worked their godly magic and turned Samus into a more interesting character, which made her simplistic personality in the earlier games seem more like "cool indifference" and focus on the mission rather than bad writing. Retro retroactively made Samus more interesting, while the creator still had an incredibly shallow view of her as a character and his own attempts to copy what Prime did weren't even laughably bad, just fucking bad, like you come out of the theater thinking "what the hell went wrong here?"
Well he still has a 2D Metroid team from what I remember since he got promoted to Section Manager at Nintendo while he will still Produce mainline Metroid games, I don't see him ever Directing or Writing the games again due to his high position. Looking at his later games similar to Miyamoto, he has been taking a back seat to many of his games only Producing them.
George Lucas syndrome. Making good shit when you have people around to tell you when your idea is stupid and threatening to hit you if you go through with it and making pure dog shit when surrounded by nothing but yes men.
I wish they would issue an apology and just rename the game to something else. Metroid didn't need a spin-off game, it needed an actual game. There's a lot of potential on the Wii U for a Metroid game but with the NX coming and the Wii U pretty much dead, I think this may be another gen where Metroid skips out.
>Apologizing for a product.
Not happening, doing so ruins all marketing potential for future products. Why do you think Randy Pitchford still insists that Aliens: Colonial Marines and DNF are good games?
Or the fact that the suit is instantly deactivated because she's shot in the back?
Or the fact that the only way to apparently disconnect a portion of the ship is to go inside of it and do it, instead of remotely.
Or the fact Samus pisses her pants at Ridley, even though she's seen him come back multiple times already.
Or Samus putting her own life at risk to by not using her Varia Suit inside a lava chamber.
Or how a small Raptor metamorphosis into a Dragon.
Or the fact that if Space Pirates aren't Sapient, how did they reprogram Mother Brain in the first place? How did they move her to a different location in Super Metroid? Or how the fuck can't she control other non-sapient creatures?
There are so many plot holes in the game that it's absolutely ridiculous. The Star Wars prequels have less retconning and plot holes than Other M, hell MGS has less somehow.
He might be referring to something else, but there was a nintendo direct which had a trailer for tomodachi where a sakamoto mii extravagantly proposed to a samus mii and got rejected by her.
> when Zero bombs
It's ridiculous how Nintendo made a game that managed to please absolutely no one
Not ONE person can defend this game, not even people who like amiibo and buy them in bulk
>Or the fact that if Space Pirates aren't Sapient, how did they reprogram Mother Brain in the first place?
Wiki says she teamed up with them because she believed their war loving ways combined with her intellect would let her run the universe where as the Chozo just wanted to hang out and study the universe for the rest of their lives.
Or the fact that if Space Pirates aren't Sapient, how did they reprogram Mother Brain in the first place? How did they move her to a different location in Super Metroid? Or how the fuck can't she control other non-sapient creatures?
Actually, Mother Brain rebelled against the Chozo herself and brought the Pirates to Zebes in order to enact her plan to bring order to the chaotic galaxy. Ridley is still the leader and the Pirates aren't mindless, they simply rally behind the strongest and smartest whp can lead them. Other M was the only time the retarded "Space Pirates are brainless animals" thing came up, which surprise surprise was yet another of Sakamoto's retcons to everything Metroid to make them fit into his vision of the Metroid saga's story for MOM.
Honestly I would've gave the game a higher score if they'd just not done the same "tap your amiibo to the gamepad to roll the dice!" bullshit that they did with Mario Party 10.
Also should've been F2P obviously. Probably would've been more profitable that way, since then buying the game would've caused people to want to go out and buy the amiibo.
Which retcons the original Metroid where they say she was reprogrammed, and even if that was the case, there are plenty of non-sapient creatures on Zebes that would work just as fine as well, so why only go for one?
If MB in this case suddenly as faulty programming and has basically turned evil without any reprogramming, then why only control one non-sapient species? Why not control them all and use them for war?
It's just bad writing man, especially when you add in the Prime games (which even Sakamoto said they were canon, just not part of his main story telling, so they were side games in that respect). Because you have the Aurora Units.
That's the thing that always weirded me out. Lore wise the Chozo were smart enough to make the Metroids weak to ice as a fail safe in case someone else started cloning their own Metroids for purposes other then killing X-parasites yet they weren't smart enough to put fail safes into Mother Brain.
IIRC frome Prime 3, Aurora units are nowhere near as capable as Mother brain and have programming fail safes stopping them from turning traitor. That's why they needed to be infected rather then just convinced to help the pirates.
That's what I'm getting at though, another silly retcon that didn't need to be a thing. MB turning on her own was a retcon as well from the original Metroid.
Other M takes at least one thing from every single other game in the franchise and retcons or contradicts it in some way. It's so bad that either Other M is the only one that can be canon, or the only one that is not-canon, and I'm sure we all know what side we would pick.
The sad thing, is you can tell Other M had potential in a lot of places to do some actual good, but it's just bogged down by terrible decisions and story-telling, even then not all of the story-telling is terrible honestly, but it's not great either.
I personally don't recall any mention of MB in Prime 3, but you're probably right, they don't seem near as capable. But the fact that their design and function can be built with such ease says a lot, and if they can do that and have a fail safe in them, then why didn't MB in Other M?
They likely retconned Mother Brain getting reprogrammed because the pirates hacking a chozo super computer was a stupid idea. Expecially since Prime stated they could only make shitty versions of Samus's equipment.
I just looked up the job title "Section Manager" & all I can say is don't expect Sakamoto to be working on Metroid or any games that much anymore, while he is still Producer. I can see his 2D Metroid team doing all the work or working with an outside company to make a side scrolling game. With his new job title, there is no way he will have the time to fully work on a mainline game. I wouldn't worry though since the 2D Metroid team EPD8 is made up of people who worked on Super Metroid, Metroid: Fusion, & Metroid: Zero Mission, so mainline Metroid should be okay.
Remember that the Aurora Units were built by the Galactic Federation as imitations of Mother Brain, and they made sure they wouldn't go haywire unless something bizarre like Phazon was involved. The Chozo built MB as a planetary maintenance and security system and without anti-systems because they never expected MB to consciously turn on them.
True, but then again maybe Samus' armor is also more technologically advanced than MB. We have seen what it's capable of in comparison, and the Pirates are able to mess with Metroids, another invention of the Chozo. ZM has Samus' suit materialize back onto her from that Chozo Ruin/Statue or whatever if I recall after you're running around in the ZS for awhile, I don't see MB doing that.
Possible, but in that case why would you recreate something without a 100% fail safe to prevent such problems? The GF is retarded sure, but I don't think they're that retarded.
>Other M was the only time the retarded "Space Pirates are brainless animals"
What's funny about this is I think Nintendo explains this with the Zebesian Space Pirate Trophy in Super Smash Bros. Wii U
It's the equivalent of the clone wars cartoon show, some shitty idea occurs and slightly better writers try to put a bandaid over it later, but the scar will always be there.
>True, but then again maybe Samus' armor is also more technologically advanced than MB.
Not possible. Prime stated that the Chozo reached the highest level of technology possible and flat out couldn't advance any farther.
>The GF is retarded sure, but I don't think they're that retarded.
Depends on the federation. Retro's take on the federation has them acting fairly competent but Sakamoto's take is having them be betrayal happy retards.
Sakamoto's a retard.
Pretty sure that shit was about the least satisfying way to conclude the game.
Samus actually did nothing substantial in the end. Nightmare obviously didn't die and was salvaged because you see it again in Fusion, Ridley was killed by queen metroid, the deleter was killed by something else (can't remember what), the ship was cleaned up by the GFeds, all the squadmembers save for Anthony died in the end and she didn't even get to destroy the thing that was causing all the bad things happening on the station. Pretty sure the only things worth mentioning that she achieved in the entire game were breaking a forklift, beating Phantoon and salvaging Adam's helmet.
I sort of like the dynamic retro set up
Federation is relatively careful compared to the Pirate's reckless experimentation, but the latter are pretty much required to do so thanks to the former's massive advantage in terms of manpower and resources
>Not possible. Prime stated that the Chozo reached the highest level of technology possible and flat out couldn't advance any farther.
Could be a mention of the Suit being how far they advanced. Either way, Pirates reprogramming Mother Brain is a bit silly, but it's a retcon nonetheless.
>Depends on the federation. Retro's take on the federation has them acting fairly competent but Sakamoto's take is having them be betrayal happy retards.
Fair, but even in Fusion they seem a little competent in the fact that they can bio-engineer and add DNA to Samus and stuff, which is pretty advanced stuff, compared to how idiotic and betrayal happy they act in Other M by comparison.
But yeah, Other M has so many problems, a shame really, like I said, you can see the potential there, you really can, and not everything in the game is awful, but boy, the bad things out-weigh what little good or potential good it does by miles.
Maybe one day we'll get that Retro Metroid game where they wanted to expand on Hunter Lore, and maybe Federation Force will actually be good, but I'm just kind of dejected at this point and don't really care anymore sadly.
Sakamoto being an idiot and his "let's make the GF a bunch of actually evil and stupid morons just like the Pirates" obsessin he's had with MOM and Fusion.
Also, I find it hilarious that MOM's secondary story is a 100% retread of Fusion's story.
Not really, sure there's space travel and some technology used by the characters but it's really only there to establish the setting. It being in the future with hyper advanced tech isn't central to the plot.
>yfw you first heard the "Why is Samus purple" Sakamoto quote
Don't forget the fact that MOM literally has a Nightmare on the ship too, like instead of Aurora Units controlling everything with fail safes, here is this face melting robot that controls our ships, so far we're 2 for 2 on them malfunctioning through either completely destruction and recloning of X-Parasites or it just being taken over by MB.
But hey, maybe we'll see another awful 3D rendition of it in Metroid, this time it'll malfunction because "It's in space!"
It's only interesting when there is actual reasons for why the Government is evil. Maybe they're actually trying to do some good and have to come off as the anti-villain, for the greater good stuff, and it's actually the player character who is in the wrong.
But that requires thought and actual writing, so yeah.
People complained about Retro's version of GF being generic Halo space marines, but at least it has way more room for interesting expansion than the dumb EVIL MEGACORPORATION shit Sakamoto ripped straight out of Alien. Though frankly Fusion and OM don't have to necessarily mean the entire government is evil. Maybe there's just an arm in the government that is into shady shit that isn't known to anyone outside it. Not that inconceivable when you have a government that spans an entire galaxy.
They won't outright retcon it because that would admit being wrong. They'll just do what they can to ignore it.
Basically don't expect them to change how Adam died, just expect no details in future games beyond what Fusion said.
Most people got over that once they saw Admiral Dane being based as all fuck.
Man why can't Federation Force just be Metroid: Republic Commando with Dane as your CO telling you to go kill Pirate Scum?
I don't care about adam
I want Samus' character to be redeemed as something beyond the imbecile she was in mom
Let's be entirely fair here.
DmC, solely based on gameplay, is like a 6.5 to a 7/10. Not as horrible as most people make it out to be but offensively average.
It's the horrid story, characters etc. and the fact that it's from a series that deserves better that really drags it down.
Sakamoto: "The story takes place between the first one on the Famicom Disk System and is followed by Metroid 2. I had the idea to make it separately as a gaiden [side story], but wouldn't it be a cop-out to call it a gaiden? Because of that, I consulted with Tanabe, and things fell into place very naturally. The local staff worked on it really hard, it serves as part of the series, and I think they completed it very well."
Sakamoto: "Nearly everybody has asked about the Prime series, which are part of the Metroid timeline, but are completely different."
Now Shut Up!
You might as well ignore both MOM and Fusion at this point, they'll never be mentioned again, even if Fusion deserves a sequel. Any Metroid thing from now on will focus solely on Prime and Hunter stuff. Whether it be Sylux or their rendition of the GF.
I think the fact that his character was pretty drastically changed from the initial reveal to the final game shows they know they fucked up at least.
And having shit like OG dante alt costumes shows how desperate they were to get than fanbase back once they realized that was all they could hope for sales-wise.
I don't think SJWs care about this game. Most Metroid fans seem to loathe and people who've played it seem to think "man, this game is kind of sexist".
I know there was a reviewer who said it came off as sexist
>Sakamoto: They're canon, but they don't fit with my grand story vision, so they're sort of their own thing ;^)
God I hate Sakamoto, he and Kojima really are the George Lucas of Japan and struck gold on a series they should have stopped working on long ago.
Looking at James Pierce in Other M he trained under the CIA (Metroid's Central Information Agency) so these may be the guys causing the corruption within the Galactic Federation, similar to Halo's ONI.
They don't bother complaining about it because there's no click bait controversay to get clicks from.
>This vidya is sexist.
>Here's a billion reasons you're wrong.
>I don't buy it.
>Initiate pissing war.
>Millions of clicks
If they bothered complaining about Other M.
>This vidya is sexist.
>We all agree.
power armor alone isn't edgy enough obviously
>pic related, would he look as cool without a fedora? didn't think so checkmate realists
Second post is bullshit, animals adapt to their environments differently, like the different mutations of birds across the Galapagos islands.
So whilst they could have bred cold vulnerability out of those metroids, it wouldn't be the same for metroids elsewhere, not to mention cold-weakness could be a recessive allele, and easily passed down
Honestly I just don't like that they made her shorter to sell more doujins
Dane could return as a character in a post-fusion game
Samus is now "officially" an enemy of the federation thanks to the events in fusion, however Dane is basically her high level inside contact because he's smart enough to know if Samus blew up a federation research station, there was a god damn good reason for it.
You are wrong, my friend. In 2 the Metroids lose their ice weakness when they become Alpha, Beta, Zeta, and Gamma Metroids. Granted, it's only when they're on SR-388 and the BSL due to mimicking the planet's conditions, but they wouldn't need to breed out a weakness they lose anyway.
It was dumb to pin that on Other M anyway, because it was in fact Fusion where ice beam was the ONLY way to damage the Omega Metroid, as opposed to the traditional way of killing them using missiles in Metroid 2.
Metroid fans don't give a shit about Samus being hot. Zero Mission had Samass in it after all.
They hate Other M because story is shit, gameplay is shit and it assassinates Samus' character
That could work, especially if you buy into the conjecture that Nightmare was meant to be a counter measure developed in case Samus ever went rogue.
Oh,okay. 2 is the only one I never played along with pinball, but given that they're weak to ice in the Primes I just assumed it was a biological thing
Even taking in the manga as canon Other M is still a piece of shit.
Even in lore you can remove Other M out of the whole timeline and everything would still be fine. Other M added nothing
This is true, but you also have to look at the Omega Metroid's eyes in Fusion they're red. In both Metroid 2 & Other M the Metroid evolved forms eyes are blue is that some kind of coincidence or just different art styles?
it's weird to me that dobson hated on nintendo for allegedly changing mario/peach/daisy/link's characterizations for mass appeal but then embraces it when they blatantly change samus to make her shorter and more subservient/domestic because it appeals to his penis
I actually liked that about the prime series because well: its so damn logical
from the mooks' point of view she's this unstoppable juggernaut who shrugs off their most powerful weaponry and carves its way through even their most guarded operations, genuine fear is extremely likely once the survivors start spreading the news
What's the best that can happen with this one?
What would it take for people to forgive it?
Hard Mode: No cancellation and the chibi anatomy stays
I still find it hilarious and sad that he's convinced himself that the DiC cartoons, made by Americans without any input from Nintendo, were the one true canon for Mario and Zelda. Plus his hatred of Link being blonde because a blonde guy bullied him in school.
For starters, note how it is a Prime game. You Metroidbabbies should be glad it's called like that, since it shows they're already ignoring Other Shit. Besides from that, it looks kinda fun, so best scenario it'll do just ok, even if the fans don't even want to look at it.
Then you explain how she loses more than a foot in MOM and Smash 4 when she gets out of her suit. Unless her legs and torso magically lengthen when the suit goes on and shorten when she takes it off.
BUT IT'S CUTE ANON
>This time around, there’s obviously this new thing called Amiibo. The development team for Animal Crossing, we just really wanted Animal Crossing Amiibos. We thought it would be cute. We thought fans would be happy. In the past, Animal Crossing has only been Animal Crossing, but we thought that with the addition of Amiibo — how could we make an Animal Crossing game that would be fun by adding Amiibo features? What resulted was Happy Home Designer on 3DS and Amiibo Festival on the Wii U.
it was more than a "woah shit"
it was a "HOLY FUCK" so big that she turned off her varia suit and failing miserably to shoot him down.
it would be understandable if that was the first time she saw ridley since the destruction of her colony, but other m happened after super, which happened after 1 and 2, and in 1 you also fight ridley, without counting prime she has fought ridley twice, and with prime, she fought him three more times
>"This is why the characters are all entertainers: in Japan, similar to Greek mythology, there's the idea of the gods being connected to the arts," Takada said. "It's a shamanistic element that's been interpreted by Atlus. The idea is, Japanese priestesses would dance and the dancing would bring them closer to the gods. We wanted to spin this in an Atlus way, so all the characters in the game have some connection to the arts, and that connection and their ability to express themselves attracts the Mirages to them. People who are good at singing or dancing or acting have really strong bonds with Mirages."
>"One of the reasons [we made Fire Emblem characters Mirages] is because since it's an RPG in modern times, we can't have a Pegasus Knight suddenly show up and have the player think that it all makes sense," Yamagami explained. "Because Fire Emblem has its own world, we had to have these characters enter the modern world as visitors from a mirror dimension, called the Idolosphere. And as there are ally units like Chrom and Shiida who come from this world, there are also antagonists that come from that world as well and want to destroy our world."
>That being said, despite the modern setting and prominent pop-idol elements, it sounds like the game will feel at home in the hands of longtime Fire Emblem fans. Yamagami suggested that players who have been with the series for a while will have a different, deeper understanding of the game than series newcomers.
>be a decently fun co-op game, doesn't have to be amazing, just solid
>use it to flesh out different parts of Federation and metroid universe with things like more info on other societies, can possibly tie into some of the hunters
>use this as a setup for Metroid NX
In her power suit. That's also why she's heavy as fuck. The people who made the Nintendo Power image for Super Metroid misinterpreted that bit.
Have they confirmed the game to take place between 2 and 3? Given Hunters, I assume Nintendo just wants Prime to mean 3d Metroid instead of a Metroid game where you fight Metroid Prime.
Even if that's her power suit she still has to fit into it. And 200 lbs for a person + armor is way too low. She's 6 feet at the very least.
I was too busy being pissed to notice that. Thanks donut.
>KT: There isn’t a very specific place within the Metroid Prime timeline, but somewhere in the Prime 1, 2, 3, Hunters, and Federation Force, it’s somewhere within that.
>Samus not the same height as her suit.
No idea, I just think it would be a nice little reference to Prime 3.
The game could theoretically be set over multiple games with the missions interspersed throughout the "prime" timeline, maybe have early missions where it's just basic GF stuff like research missions to capture lifeforms or checking out distress singles and then progressing to missions set in the period of war during prime 3.
Federation force could be a really fucking cool game but the art style and blitzball just makes me think it isn't being taken seriously.
all games other than MOM did give samus an athletic bodytype though, so she would have at least some mass from muscles
200lbs might be to much but she's not frail by any standards
/v/ predicted it back in 2009. Pic related!
I guess the suit is lightweight polyfiber plastimetal carbon nanotubes. I doubt whoever made the Metroid 2 manual put much thought into it anyway.
>never been made by the Japanese.
True for most video games. I don't think Asians past the age of 30 understand the concept of fun. They just somehow arrived at a position where they make pixels move on screens and this gets them money and respect somehow so they stick with it.
>So Team Ninja is to blame, right?
Yes it is. Sakamoto worked on all Metroid games prior to Other M, on all Wario Ware games and on Tomodachi life. All good games, yes even Tomodachi. And yet, somehow he is to blame for Other M? No. He just took responsability for the game, sure, but everyone with a brain knows Team Ninja are the ones to blame.
But nobody expect metroidfags to own a brain.
He literally wrote the whole story himself. It was at his insistence the game be played only with the Wii remote. It is his fault, Anon.
I respect Sakamoto's contributions prior to Other M and I enjoy his other works but the guy simply shouldn't work on a new Metroid again. The man lost his touch and gave out an atrocious story
Well it's not like the game was made by Bungie, and Samus certainly doesn't look 200 lbs. It's fairly clear they mean her fully suited, and it's probably best not to give a completely arbitrary weight any consideration anyway.
And yet it has a higher user score than Fallout 4.
Imagine how cool Other M could have been if it was just some goofy action side-game that Team Ninja could have used the full controller for, while a proper Metroid was being made for the upcoming 3DS.
>STILL blaming Team Ninja
>when Sakamoto wrote that abortion of a story
>when Sakamoto insisted that Samus have a terrible VA on purpose
>when Sakamoto insisted upon using the Wiimote pointer to aim missiles
Kill yourself right now.
>Or the fact that if Space Pirates aren't Sapient, how did they reprogram Mother Brain in the first place?
Wait I knew about the non-sapient Pirates plothole, but what's this about reprogramming Mother Brain? I thought she was always evil.
No it didn't same plot. Samus gets sent to Zebes to exterminate the Metroids & take out Mother Brain. Things in the manual may have been retconed but the main story is still the same.
I would have liked that fight a lot more if it was done in reverse
>You fight and beat Ridley
Anthonyinto the lava
>Then Samus breaks down as she realises that despite everything she's done, she can never save anybody, which would have worked well with what that flashback with Adam's brother.
I'd be interested to see if they had Samus as an easy mode character, like how DKCR had super kong, and Mario games had auto-play, XCX had Blades you could recruit for a fee to help out.
So what if FF had Samus as something like that, or a super buffed up version of a trooper
I don't know if /v/ is full of 13 years old children or most people here are just senile
But I was on the Internet 13 years ago when Metroid Fusion came out
I was there to read all those comments about "whaaaaaa why Samus talks whaaaaaa"
Fusion got the same shit Other M gets today
Thanksfully people grow up and now they don't hate on Fusion, but sadly they don't remember they used to bitch about it in the past
Can't say anything about Other M gameplay, but people hated the hell out of Fusion for telling you where to go and that Samus talks
This was a first for a Metroid game and people hated it
343 kept the canon Bungie established with their games & book. In the Fall of Reach Master CHief was 6'10 286 lbs without armor. Bungie did have Chief at 390 lbs but this was explained in 343's data drops that that was the black undersuit combined with Chief's own weight.
Then you should really play other M, its an educational experience for sure.
It not only tells you where to go but the way to get there is always 5 rooms away and the path is completely linear. It only has 3 sectors and are all very small, smaller than any sector in fusion.
>Thanksfully people grow up and now they don't hate on Fusion
That's wrong, though. The same people that complained about Fusion's storytelling back then still complain about it now, although some of them aren't quite as enraged by it. Meanwhile, the people that didn't mind it usually still don't mind it. The important point here being that there was some disagreement in the first place, so there was a basis for discussion, which could change people's minds.
Other M was practically universally reviled (and rightfully so). I can't think of anybody ever saying something positive about the game's writing other than to bait in these threads. People won't change their opinion on it because everybody has the same, correct opinion: It's shit.
Hell, as an addendum I think the reason people are more accepting of Fusions talking and telling you where to go nowadays is partially because of Other M showing people what full retard looks like.