So Team Ninja is to blame, right? I don't fucking give a

Nope, sakamoto is to blame.

Nintendo wrote the story and suggested that the controls be wiimote only, so no.

>>323446306
>WAAAAAH WHY DID YOU GIVE CHARACTER TO MY CARDBOARD CUT OUT
Literally you. Other M is easily the best Metroid ever made because it has a story with likeable characters and a good protagonist.

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>those sick pervert pigs

>>323446507
The story is the least of the game´s problems.
I actually had no problem with it. The game is shit because it has 0 exploration, most rooms are corridors, there is a save point you HAVE to use ebery 4 rooms, combat is broken and boring

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>sick pervert pigs

Im halfway through it now. Trying to give this game a fair shake. Played it after playing Prime 1 + 2. "

>On screen prompts are big, obtrusive and keep reminding you of shit you learned in the first ten minutes of the game.
>Low battery warning on screen NEVER goes away until you change batteries, blocking another chunk of screen.
>infinite health and ammo
>authorization system stops making sense after first weapon is authorized.
>all around boring so far. cant wait for it to be over.

>>323446507

Metroid Fusion gave Samus character without completely ruining what everyone wanted from her.

Other M should have gone the same way with it.

Samus was a pathetic mess in Other M. In Fusion she's literally in immediate danger of being hunted down and slaughtered but doesn't even worry about it because she's a genetically engineered super soldier.

>>323446306

nope, the actual creator of metroid/samus ruined this game, samus' character, the lore of the whole series, and any possibility of another Metroid game happening

This game was a utter abomination, and not because of the story but because of the gameplay.
I actually think everyone should play it to learn how not to make a videogame.

Actually, almost all of the creepy shit was because of Sakamoto specifically. He oversaw Team Ninja's work on all the cutscenes, he wrote the entire script, he did the voice direction for the VAs, Samus is literally his waifu and guys who work at Nintendo sometimes mock his obsession with her.

Team Ninja were just means to an end.

>>323447697
Gameplay was the closest this gets to being passable, even with the dodge rolls being a bit easy, missile firing being retarded, and concentration

>>323447953
What is passable about it?
The walking? Because literally everything else is absolutely awful.

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Honestly I think the Japs were mad jelly that they were bested by American Metroid Prime Developers. Prime had already laid the groundwork for what a good 3d metroid should offer. Japs just started from square 1 out of xenophobic spite and then took two steps backward.

The game was meant to be 2.5D, much like Klonoa. However, Team Ninja suggested it be 3D, so the Metroid team obliged, as long as it would only use the Wiimote. Team Ninja had problems, so Sakamoto threatened to cancel the game if they couldn't get their own idea to work.

The cutscenes were actually directed by the folks at D-Rockets, who are...TEAM NINJA!

The game has good bosses, but that's about it? It's like a 6. It plays and looks nice at times. Problems all stem from both teams' problems. Also, NO KENJI YAMAMOTO.

>>323446507

Dobson, pls go.

>>323446492
Nintendo actually fought Sakamoto internally every step of the way to try and make OM less shit, but since Sakamoto was project head, he had to approve every detail before they could progress.

People could pick apart OM for a hundred reasons, but the bottom line answer is that Sakamoto is no longer willing or capable of making 2D Metroid, and they won't give the IP to another person outside of Prime, so basically they will never make another 2D metroid because the Dude who would push for that (its creator) no longer has any interest in it.

Hell, he had no interest in making another Metroid even when he helmed Other M. Throughout development he went against his own dev rules (which he had established back in the early days, like purple Gravity Suit being required and etc), fought against everyone else's opinions, and only cared about the shitty space drama he wanted to write.

He wanted OM to be like a cinematic experience, except he had no fucking idea how to write a dialogue-heavy narrative, and most of the subplots in OM are forgotten halfway through or just handwaved.

if you replace Adam with Yoshio Sakamoto, OM suddenly makes perfect sense. It's simultaneously a ""game"" (gameplay outsourced obviously cuz sakamoto could give less of a fuck how it plays, only cutscenes mattered) and also his own little torture porn movie for Samus, where he can bend the character to his will, against reason, against the notion of 'self-preservation', and Samus just obeys because she's written to obey.

>>323450184
Why couldnt they just
You know

FIRE HIM?

>>323450362
because seniority. japanese honorabru-ness. he is held in high regard, iwata was even laughing as he and sakamoto discussed the utter retardation of OM development, as if it was a 'funny memory' they shared, like "wow remember that time you were a huge pain in my ass making this shitty game? ha ha ha, we learned so much"

There actually is a dude in Team Ninja who's partially responsible, along with Sakamoto, for the shitty story but by and large Team Ninja's only fault is that they put in some boring, repetitive gameplay. I don't care what control scheme they were stuck with, the gameplay stunk.

The maps were also tiny probably the smallest in the series.
I loved exploring the fusion spaceship, bit this was awful and boring

A modern Metroid game should've never been made by the Japanese.

>inb4 the Prime series sucked

I always thought Samus must of been a hell of a badass to do the shit she does without going crazy or something , then I saw other m and just wondered how she could even wipe her ass without Adam telling her what to do. What kind of immature shit was that "Thumbs up" Thumbs down" thing about? trying to make Samus moe?

It's not that uncommon for Nintendo outsources their second-tier franchises and characters and the results aren't always pretty. It's not a new thing. For every F-Zero and Zelda: Oracle of ..., you get a Starfox Adventures or Other M

>>323453320
>Starfox Adventures
God dammit fuck Miyamoto, it didn't even have to be a StarFox game

Retconning all of that stuff out of StarFox Zero is his way of saying he's not proud of Adventures, but that game was his fault to begin with

>>323446306
Both Parties are to blame. Sakamoto ruined the story, Samus & Adam's characterization, controls, & localization. Hayashi ruined the gameplay, the only thing I will favor Sakamoto on is him wanting less Zero Suit, but there was still way too much Zero Suit.

Other M is the best 3D Metroid game.

THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY

>>323449090
Wrong. Sakamoto insisted the Wiimote be the only way to control the game because he wanted everyone to nostalgia boner over the original NES Metroid by holding and using the Wiimote like an NES controller. Team Ninja kept saying that it would fuck up the gameplay but Sakamoto wouldn't budge.

He's also the one who made them change the Gravity Suit to a purple aura because he couldn't understand who the purple person in the cutscenes was.

>>323446507
>Other M is easily the best Metroid ever made
sakamoto go to sleep

>>323453787
Still better than Yoshi's Island DS/Yoshi's New Island and NSMB2 (or are we still pretending that was done in-house?). Probably others too.

I know the story is shit and the design in general is bad, but holy fuck I think the controls are my least favorite thing. Trying to use missiles in this game is a fucking nightmare.

>>323454036
>by holding and using the Wiimote like an NES controller.

That would have been fine really. BUT WHY MAKE SHOOTING MISSILES FIRST PERSON ONLY

>>323454235
Probably because Sakamoto wanted to give a tiny reference to the Prime games despite him saying they're non-canon. The big problem is how you can't move at all while firing Missiles.

I don't think Sakamoto works with Team Ninja.

>>323454365
>kirby
>male

>>323454365
>we accepted Samus back in 1986
>we've accepted female characters for the last 30 years
>Sakamoto rapes Samus, people get pissed
>"Oh, I see, you all hate game because it has female character, gamers hate female characters!"

It's like when Tameem and his sycophant gaming sites declared DmC failed because everyone hated there being no white hair.

>>323454708
>>323454365
>pr4gaming

Is fake you dorks

>>323450184
>Nintendo actually fought Sakamoto
I thought that was Team Ninja. Source? I know Team Ninja was like "wait, why shouldn't the grav suit be purple?" and "this control scheme sucks".

Honestly the thing I'll never understand is that you'd think if there was any game that the kinds of people that get pissy about women representation in video games would rally against it'd be this, but if anything I see a lot of those kinds of folks hold this title up as being great.

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I don't understand how Nintendo fucking floods the market with 2D platformers and yet none of them are Metroid ones

So many indie games pride themselves on being inspired by Metroid so clearly there's a market for a game in this nature

>>323454235
>3d ACTION game
>dpad
>fine really

>>323454429
Didn't he relent on that because of pressure from fans and Nintendo? I remember some interview where they asked him about the Prime series and he kind of skirted around it and said "well, I see all of the Metroid games as a story" or something.

>>323454950
No, that stuff was happening at Nintendo, the only things Team Ninja did were gameplay and suit design, I think? Sakamoto didn't care how it played at all, he was completely focused on the cutscenes and such (hence Theater Mode)

>>323455109
Make it a platformer then, thats another problem there was barely any platforms, just corridors
It felt like FF13 again

>>323455076
because sakamoto is an idiot

>>323454974
pretty simple: male core gamers hate the game, therefor they have to like it to prevent being on the same side as the patriarchy

What happened to Sakamoto?..

>>323454365
that's fake dumbass, Sakamoto stated that he knows everyone wants another Super Metroid but if he made another one the series can't evolved he never said that.

>>323455429
Tomodachi life

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>>323446306
Sakamoto was at fault for all the horrible decisions.

"Nintendo can do no wrong" fanboys try to use Team Ninja as a scapegoat.

>>323455434

Sometimes series don't need to evolve if what they turn into is shit like Other M.

I'm not personally a gigantic fan of the prime games (they aren't bad, mind you, not by a longshot) but if a metroid as a series needs to change for a modern audience something like that obvious works better than what they did with Other M.

>>323455575
>"Nintendo can do no wrong" fanboys try to use Team Ninja as a scapegoat.
Yeah, fuck RogersBase

>>323455250
Team Ninja did the gameplay and controls, Sakamoto told them to use only the D-pad and control sceme like an NES controller, TN kept saying it wouldn't work well, Sakamoto said "fuck you, my way, bitches". And since he was the head of the project they had to listen to him.

>>323455076
I wonder if this game got cancelled.

>>323455250
I'm fine with Sakamoto working on another side scroller b/c he is restricted to gameplay only, but for all things holy please DO NOT EVER have work on another 3D Metroid game ever again.

>>323455429

Yokoi isn't around to slap sense into him anymore.

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Look how happy he looks

>>323455685
Wonder what would've happened if Team Ninja grew exasperated and just said "fuck off" before going to a higher-up and saying that Sakamoto was full of shit

They probably wouldn't ever do it due to the way Japan's shitty ass culture functions, but it would've been nice

>>323455685
every single aspect of OM was made badly on purpose because sakamoto's brain fucking rotted out at some point during the Prime years, and as a result he forgot how to think like a rational human being

he fucking blamed the players when everyone took a big justified shit on Other M, saying we were dumb and just ~didn't get it~

>>323446306
Pretty much everything wrong with Other M was Sakamoto's fault. He wrote the story, he made the gravity suit look how it did in the game, he forced the developers to make it only playable with the wiimote. He's pretty much the George Lucas of video games.

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>>323446306
I don't understand how critics were happy with this

>>323446306
It was all Sakamoto's fault.

>>323455597
The good news is that Other M was a criticism game Sakamoto stated that if the fans loved the new direction they may have continued it, but if it was hated then they would drop Other M's direction & start over to see where to go what the main series next. Since Takahashi said they are planning a traditional Metroid two years ago, I can see they may have decided to go back to the series roots.

>>323446306
The game is basically what happens when you design by commitee. Sakamoto and Team Ninja both had their own ideas of what the game should be like. The final product reflects how well they succeeded at fusing their ideas.

Why is nintendo so blind?
Cant they see how loved 2D metroid games are in the US?

>>323455897
His entire reason for making Other M was to show his personal vision of what he saw Samus as. And as we all found out, his vision of Samus is a sniveling, weak-willed, subservient baby with massive daddy issues, an obsession with motherhood, and who needs to be constantly reminded of her place and why she's a silly little girl in a man's world.

I'm still fucking mad that Other M ruined the Metroid fanbase

>other M was terrible all around
>the next game is a fucking spinoff where you don't even play as samus
man fuck this shit

>>323455757
He doesn't want to make 2D Metroid anymore. He expressed this emphatically when developing Other M, outsourced the gameplay to someone else, and was wholly focused on turning Metroid into a cool western sci-fi movie. simply through his seniority at the company he was allowed to George-Lucas the Metroid franchise irreparably

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>>323456112
critics are retarded

>>323456237
Who gives a shit about fanbases, it killed the fucking series.

>>323456112
It's not a completely irredeemable game if you haven't played Metroid before and I'd assume some of the critics haven't.

Don't get me wrong it's still bad but having Metroid slapped onto it made it much, much worse.

>>323456237
Me too.:(

>>323456163
or you know we get a good helping of the ol'

if it succeeds that means I was correct
if it fails that means there wasn't any interest in the series anymore, regardless of what I did

It was Sakamoto's fault mainly, someone post the shit that's like

>Why is the Gravity Suit purple?
>No Heels!

And all the other stupid shit Sakamoto changed during development.

The problem is that Sakamoto has a Hideo Kojima complex without any of his actual talent.

And even Kojima wasn't so vain that he thought he could voice direct english speaking voice actors.

>>323450184
You stupid fucker, gunpei yokoi created metroid, not sakamoto. And Yokoi's been dead for years.

Read the dev interviews. Team Ninja contested every flaw with the game aside from the awful writing. Every thing wrong with the game was Sakamoto.

>>323456237
Who the fuck cares about the Fanbase

>>323456473
Don't forget the ridiculous height difference with Samus in and out of the suit. How that fucking shit even functions is ridiculous, it's even worse than how Prime 3 handled it.

>>323456317
Can't you see that all of those angry people are only mad because Dante doesn't have white hair?! Those DMC fans, man, am I right?

Also, Dante looks weird when put into live-action American movies and it's like Brokeback Mountain withhow attractive he is, plus he'd get laughed out of every British pub with how he dresses.

>>323447806
>guys who work at Nintendo sometimes mock his obsession with her.

?

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>>323456612
>using the white hair stawman

>>323455689
I don't think they would cancel a game that far into development. Most they'll do is maybe relegate it to being Eshop exclusive to avoid losing more money on production and logistics expenses.

>>323456228
no that was just a factor of it. he envisioned it as a ""space drama"", apparently having no concept whatsoever of what that meant, having no prior experience in 3D Metroid cutscenes, basically Retro worked their godly magic and turned Samus into a more interesting character, which made her simplistic personality in the earlier games seem more like "cool indifference" and focus on the mission rather than bad writing. Retro retroactively made Samus more interesting, while the creator still had an incredibly shallow view of her as a character and his own attempts to copy what Prime did weren't even laughably bad, just fucking bad, like you come out of the theater thinking "what the hell went wrong here?"

>>323456743
It should be free to play.

>>323456284
Well he still has a 2D Metroid team from what I remember since he got promoted to Section Manager at Nintendo while he will still Produce mainline Metroid games, I don't see him ever Directing or Writing the games again due to his high position. Looking at his later games similar to Miyamoto, he has been taking a back seat to many of his games only Producing them.

>>323455187

He changed his mind and said they're just a side story. They are canon but will never be referenced in his shit.

>>323456553
yeah yeah and stan lee takes credit for all of jack kirby's iconic designs, we know, but sakamoto made super and fusion which were the most important titles

Why does Nintendo hate it's sci fi franchises so much? Only Star Fox is getting love and that was after years

>>323456861
I'd prefer if he was in the backseat of a car accident.

>>323446306
Still better than all Prime games 2bh

>>323457001
Rest assured, when Zero bombs Miyamoto will go back to Pikmin for the rest of his life

>>323455429

George Lucas syndrome. Making good shit when you have people around to tell you when your idea is stupid and threatening to hit you if you go through with it and making pure dog shit when surrounded by nothing but yes men.

>>323456743
I wish they would issue an apology and just rename the game to something else. Metroid didn't need a spin-off game, it needed an actual game. There's a lot of potential on the Wii U for a Metroid game but with the NX coming and the Wii U pretty much dead, I think this may be another gen where Metroid skips out.

>>323457154

>Corporation
>Apologizing for a product.

Not happening, doing so ruins all marketing potential for future products. Why do you think Randy Pitchford still insists that Aliens: Colonial Marines and DNF are good games?

>>323456581
Or the fact that the suit is instantly deactivated because she's shot in the back?

Or the fact that the only way to apparently disconnect a portion of the ship is to go inside of it and do it, instead of remotely.

Or the fact Samus pisses her pants at Ridley, even though she's seen him come back multiple times already.

Or Samus putting her own life at risk to by not using her Varia Suit inside a lava chamber.

Or how a small Raptor metamorphosis into a Dragon.

Or the fact that if Space Pirates aren't Sapient, how did they reprogram Mother Brain in the first place? How did they move her to a different location in Super Metroid? Or how the fuck can't she control other non-sapient creatures?

There are so many plot holes in the game that it's absolutely ridiculous. The Star Wars prequels have less retconning and plot holes than Other M, hell MGS has less somehow.

>>323456686
He might be referring to something else, but there was a nintendo direct which had a trailer for tomodachi where a sakamoto mii extravagantly proposed to a samus mii and got rejected by her.

>>323457765
Camille saying "THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY" in every single dialogue box she has.

Then Ridley pops up and yells "He's MY brother!".

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>>323457140
> when Zero bombs
S-shut up

>>323447693
The actual creator of metroid/samus is dead. Sakamoto is just a hack cashing in on the legacy of his dead co-worker and turning his creation into waifu bait.

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>>323456317
It's ridiculous how Nintendo made a game that managed to please absolutely no one

Not ONE person can defend this game, not even people who like amiibo and buy them in bulk

>>323457837
>Or the fact that if Space Pirates aren't Sapient, how did they reprogram Mother Brain in the first place?

Wiki says she teamed up with them because she believed their war loving ways combined with her intellect would let her run the universe where as the Chozo just wanted to hang out and study the universe for the rest of their lives.

>>323457154
Dunno why they would need to do that. It's just a spin-off, so if the game bombs, they'll just pretend it never happened anyway.

>>323457837
Or the fact that if Space Pirates aren't Sapient, how did they reprogram Mother Brain in the first place? How did they move her to a different location in Super Metroid? Or how the fuck can't she control other non-sapient creatures?

Actually, Mother Brain rebelled against the Chozo herself and brought the Pirates to Zebes in order to enact her plan to bring order to the chaotic galaxy. Ridley is still the leader and the Pirates aren't mindless, they simply rally behind the strongest and smartest whp can lead them. Other M was the only time the retarded "Space Pirates are brainless animals" thing came up, which surprise surprise was yet another of Sakamoto's retcons to everything Metroid to make them fit into his vision of the Metroid saga's story for MOM.

>>323458176
>It's ridiculous how Nintendo made a game that managed to please absolutely no one

and they did it again with this abomination:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTl8gDQiKiE

>>323458176
Honestly I would've gave the game a higher score if they'd just not done the same "tap your amiibo to the gamepad to roll the dice!" bullshit that they did with Mario Party 10.

Also should've been F2P obviously. Probably would've been more profitable that way, since then buying the game would've caused people to want to go out and buy the amiibo.

>>323456612
>DmC special edition has Dante whitehair alt
>mop cutscene still plays
>HEH NAWT IN A MILLION YEARS
>cutscene ends, back to white hair

>>323458192
Which retcons the original Metroid where they say she was reprogrammed, and even if that was the case, there are plenty of non-sapient creatures on Zebes that would work just as fine as well, so why only go for one?

If MB in this case suddenly as faulty programming and has basically turned evil without any reprogramming, then why only control one non-sapient species? Why not control them all and use them for war?

It's just bad writing man, especially when you add in the Prime games (which even Sakamoto said they were canon, just not part of his main story telling, so they were side games in that respect). Because you have the Aurora Units.

>>323458637
I think they made a white hair costume as free DLC a week after the original bombed.

>>323457140
I'm divided on what to say to this as I like both franchises very much.


But isn't Pikmin also technically a sci-fi series?

>>323458387

That's the thing that always weirded me out. Lore wise the Chozo were smart enough to make the Metroids weak to ice as a fail safe in case someone else started cloning their own Metroids for purposes other then killing X-parasites yet they weren't smart enough to put fail safes into Mother Brain.

>>323458695

IIRC frome Prime 3, Aurora units are nowhere near as capable as Mother brain and have programming fail safes stopping them from turning traitor. That's why they needed to be infected rather then just convinced to help the pirates.

>>323458387
That's what I'm getting at though, another silly retcon that didn't need to be a thing. MB turning on her own was a retcon as well from the original Metroid.

Other M takes at least one thing from every single other game in the franchise and retcons or contradicts it in some way. It's so bad that either Other M is the only one that can be canon, or the only one that is not-canon, and I'm sure we all know what side we would pick.

The sad thing, is you can tell Other M had potential in a lot of places to do some actual good, but it's just bogged down by terrible decisions and story-telling, even then not all of the story-telling is terrible honestly, but it's not great either.

>>323459007
I personally don't recall any mention of MB in Prime 3, but you're probably right, they don't seem near as capable. But the fact that their design and function can be built with such ease says a lot, and if they can do that and have a fail safe in them, then why didn't MB in Other M?

>>323459024

They likely retconned Mother Brain getting reprogrammed because the pirates hacking a chozo super computer was a stupid idea. Expecially since Prime stated they could only make shitty versions of Samus's equipment.

I just looked up the job title "Section Manager" & all I can say is don't expect Sakamoto to be working on Metroid or any games that much anymore, while he is still Producer. I can see his 2D Metroid team doing all the work or working with an outside company to make a side scrolling game. With his new job title, there is no way he will have the time to fully work on a mainline game. I wouldn't worry though since the 2D Metroid team EPD8 is made up of people who worked on Super Metroid, Metroid: Fusion, & Metroid: Zero Mission, so mainline Metroid should be okay.

>wa have re-created mother brain

Oh hey a MB fight could maybe salvage this shit game

>she is a humanoid bitch that dies in a cutscene

watwatwatwatwatwat

WHAT

>>323459190
maybe MB was complex enough it detected and removed any failsafe the chozo installed?

>>323458695
>>323459007
>>323459190
>>323459324
Remember that the Aurora Units were built by the Galactic Federation as imitations of Mother Brain, and they made sure they wouldn't go haywire unless something bizarre like Phazon was involved. The Chozo built MB as a planetary maintenance and security system and without anti-systems because they never expected MB to consciously turn on them.

>>323459224
True, but then again maybe Samus' armor is also more technologically advanced than MB. We have seen what it's capable of in comparison, and the Pirates are able to mess with Metroids, another invention of the Chozo. ZM has Samus' suit materialize back onto her from that Chozo Ruin/Statue or whatever if I recall after you're running around in the ZS for awhile, I don't see MB doing that.
>>323459324
Possible, but in that case why would you recreate something without a 100% fail safe to prevent such problems? The GF is retarded sure, but I don't think they're that retarded.

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>>323458387
>Other M was the only time the retarded "Space Pirates are brainless animals"
What's funny about this is I think Nintendo explains this with the Zebesian Space Pirate Trophy in Super Smash Bros. Wii U

>>323459638
Then why create MB on the Bottle Ship without anti-systems?

"Now entering the atmosphere of the galactic federation"
What did they mean by this?

>>323454649
ain't ya a jolly fellow are you?

>>323459985
I think the people at the treehouse hate Other M as well

>>323459985
See that actually makes sense, a machine controlling other machines because of their lack of an AI.

>>323459990
Because Other M is the only canon Metroid game now.

>>323460156
>>323460174

It's the equivalent of the clone wars cartoon show, some shitty idea occurs and slightly better writers try to put a bandaid over it later, but the scar will always be there.

>>323459742
>True, but then again maybe Samus' armor is also more technologically advanced than MB.

Not possible. Prime stated that the Chozo reached the highest level of technology possible and flat out couldn't advance any farther.


>The GF is retarded sure, but I don't think they're that retarded.

Depends on the federation. Retro's take on the federation has them acting fairly competent but Sakamoto's take is having them be betrayal happy retards.

>>323459990
Sakamoto's a retard.

>>323460156
I think everyone at nintendo does.

>>323459315
Pretty sure that shit was about the least satisfying way to conclude the game.

Samus actually did nothing substantial in the end. Nightmare obviously didn't die and was salvaged because you see it again in Fusion, Ridley was killed by queen metroid, the deleter was killed by something else (can't remember what), the ship was cleaned up by the GFeds, all the squadmembers save for Anthony died in the end and she didn't even get to destroy the thing that was causing all the bad things happening on the station. Pretty sure the only things worth mentioning that she achieved in the entire game were breaking a forklift, beating Phantoon and salvaging Adam's helmet.

>>323460358
I sort of like the dynamic retro set up
Federation is relatively careful compared to the Pirate's reckless experimentation, but the latter are pretty much required to do so thanks to the former's massive advantage in terms of manpower and resources

>>323460358
>Not possible. Prime stated that the Chozo reached the highest level of technology possible and flat out couldn't advance any farther.

Could be a mention of the Suit being how far they advanced. Either way, Pirates reprogramming Mother Brain is a bit silly, but it's a retcon nonetheless.
>Depends on the federation. Retro's take on the federation has them acting fairly competent but Sakamoto's take is having them be betrayal happy retards.
Fair, but even in Fusion they seem a little competent in the fact that they can bio-engineer and add DNA to Samus and stuff, which is pretty advanced stuff, compared to how idiotic and betrayal happy they act in Other M by comparison.

But yeah, Other M has so many problems, a shame really, like I said, you can see the potential there, you really can, and not everything in the game is awful, but boy, the bad things out-weigh what little good or potential good it does by miles.

Maybe one day we'll get that Retro Metroid game where they wanted to expand on Hunter Lore, and maybe Federation Force will actually be good, but I'm just kind of dejected at this point and don't really care anymore sadly.

>>323459990
Sakamoto being an idiot and his "let's make the GF a bunch of actually evil and stupid morons just like the Pirates" obsessin he's had with MOM and Fusion.

Also, I find it hilarious that MOM's secondary story is a 100% retread of Fusion's story.

>>323459005

Not really, sure there's space travel and some technology used by the characters but it's really only there to establish the setting. It being in the future with hyper advanced tech isn't central to the plot.

>>323460872
It really makes me want the "Government is evil" trope to die. It's not clever or interesting at all.

>>323460562
Maybe this is a good thing
Since the plot was so inconsequential it can either be ignored in future installments or quietly retconned

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>yfw you first heard the "Why is Samus purple" Sakamoto quote

>>323460872
Don't forget the fact that MOM literally has a Nightmare on the ship too, like instead of Aurora Units controlling everything with fail safes, here is this face melting robot that controls our ships, so far we're 2 for 2 on them malfunctioning through either completely destruction and recloning of X-Parasites or it just being taken over by MB.

But hey, maybe we'll see another awful 3D rendition of it in Metroid, this time it'll malfunction because "It's in space!"

>>323460358
Prime is not canon though

>>323461336
okay

>>323461278
Nightmare is less annoying if you consider that it was just an experimental prototype

>>323461336

As opposed to Other M which definitely is and conflicts with nothing else

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>>323461053
It's only interesting when there is actual reasons for why the Government is evil. Maybe they're actually trying to do some good and have to come off as the anti-villain, for the greater good stuff, and it's actually the player character who is in the wrong.

But that requires thought and actual writing, so yeah.
>>323461224
Pic related

>>323461053
People complained about Retro's version of GF being generic Halo space marines, but at least it has way more room for interesting expansion than the dumb EVIL MEGACORPORATION shit Sakamoto ripped straight out of Alien. Though frankly Fusion and OM don't have to necessarily mean the entire government is evil. Maybe there's just an arm in the government that is into shady shit that isn't known to anyone outside it. Not that inconceivable when you have a government that spans an entire galaxy.

>>323461528
Yeah, but I still can't get over how awful it looks in MOM. It's like it's retarded cousin from the mountains more than a horrifying machine on a ship.

>>323461217

They won't outright retcon it because that would admit being wrong. They'll just do what they can to ignore it.

Basically don't expect them to change how Adam died, just expect no details in future games beyond what Fusion said.

>>323461704
Most people got over that once they saw Admiral Dane being based as all fuck.

Man why can't Federation Force just be Metroid: Republic Commando with Dane as your CO telling you to go kill Pirate Scum?

>>323456178

>implying japanese care about the west

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>>323461816
I don't care about adam
I want Samus' character to be redeemed as something beyond the imbecile she was in mom

>>323456317

Let's be entirely fair here.

DmC, solely based on gameplay, is like a 6.5 to a 7/10. Not as horrible as most people make it out to be but offensively average.

It's the horrid story, characters etc. and the fact that it's from a series that deserves better that really drags it down.

>>323461336
Sakamoto: "The story takes place between the first one on the Famicom Disk System and is followed by Metroid 2. I had the idea to make it separately as a gaiden [side story], but wouldn't it be a cop-out to call it a gaiden? Because of that, I consulted with Tanabe, and things fell into place very naturally. The local staff worked on it really hard, it serves as part of the series, and I think they completed it very well."

Sakamoto: "Nearly everybody has asked about the Prime series, which are part of the Metroid timeline, but are completely different."

Now Shut Up!

>>323461816
You might as well ignore both MOM and Fusion at this point, they'll never be mentioned again, even if Fusion deserves a sequel. Any Metroid thing from now on will focus solely on Prime and Hunter stuff. Whether it be Sylux or their rendition of the GF.

>>323446306
So do actual SJW post here or do underage shitposters love to false flag or ironically post?

>>323462046
I played the demo of DmC. It was a 4 at best

>>323462000
Is the manga good? That looks badass

>>323456612

I think the fact that his character was pretty drastically changed from the initial reveal to the final game shows they know they fucked up at least.

And having shit like OG dante alt costumes shows how desperate they were to get than fanbase back once they realized that was all they could hope for sales-wise.

>>323462164
I don't think SJWs care about this game. Most Metroid fans seem to loathe and people who've played it seem to think "man, this game is kind of sexist".

I know there was a reviewer who said it came off as sexist

>>323462076
>Sakamoto: They're canon, but they don't fit with my grand story vision, so they're sort of their own thing ;^)

God I hate Sakamoto, he and Kojima really are the George Lucas of Japan and struck gold on a series they should have stopped working on long ago.

>>323461704
Looking at James Pierce in Other M he trained under the CIA (Metroid's Central Information Agency) so these may be the guys causing the corruption within the Galactic Federation, similar to Halo's ONI.

>>323462000
>cloak over environmentally sealed armor

STOP THIS SHIT

>>323446507
good thing nobody holds this opinion

>>323457837

anyone got that image that shows how Other M effectively retcons the entire series aside from it out of existence?

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>>323462484

Can we at least keep Anthony Higgs?

>>323462405
>mfw kojima did stop working on his

>>323462484
shh it looks cool

>>323458176

This game is exactly the kind of path I was afraid nintendo would go down when they unveiled amiibo and I'm glad it's apparently tanking.

>>323462484
rule of cool

>>323462405
You forgot Bonnie Ross

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>>323462516
here you go

>>323461925
Dane was pretty cool, to the point where if Dread started with him getting killed by Sylux it would actually be attention-grabbing.

>>323462328

They don't bother complaining about it because there's no click bait controversay to get clicks from.

Most games

>This vidya is sexist.
>Here's a billion reasons you're wrong.
>I don't buy it.
>Initiate pissing war.
>Millions of clicks

If they bothered complaining about Other M.

>This vidya is sexist.
>We all agree.
>No clicks.

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>>323462484
power armor alone isn't edgy enough obviously
>pic related, would he look as cool without a fedora? didn't think so checkmate realists

>>323462713
Second post is bullshit, animals adapt to their environments differently, like the different mutations of birds across the Galapagos islands.

So whilst they could have bred cold vulnerability out of those metroids, it wouldn't be the same for metroids elsewhere, not to mention cold-weakness could be a recessive allele, and easily passed down

>>323462609

He was pretty based yeah.

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Honestly I just don't like that they made her shorter to sell more doujins

>>323460208
>>323446507
NICE TRY

>>323462717
Dane could return as a character in a post-fusion game
Samus is now "officially" an enemy of the federation thanks to the events in fusion, however Dane is basically her high level inside contact because he's smart enough to know if Samus blew up a federation research station, there was a god damn good reason for it.

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>>323461224

>>323462942
>Second post is bullshit

whatever you say Other M apologist

>>323446306
Why couldn't Sakamoto be the one with terminal cancer and die? It's not fair.

>>323462942
You are wrong, my friend. In 2 the Metroids lose their ice weakness when they become Alpha, Beta, Zeta, and Gamma Metroids. Granted, it's only when they're on SR-388 and the BSL due to mimicking the planet's conditions, but they wouldn't need to breed out a weakness they lose anyway.

>>323462942
It was dumb to pin that on Other M anyway, because it was in fact Fusion where ice beam was the ONLY way to damage the Omega Metroid, as opposed to the traditional way of killing them using missiles in Metroid 2.

Are Metroid fans afflicted with Amnesia? Samus was a blonde bombshell since the first game

>>323462948
I think it's hilarious that Moviebob and Dobson love Other M when it's hated by all other feminists.

>>323463329

She wasn't a PTSD-laden little girl that needed to rely on her daddy in any other game though.

>>323463329

Metroid fans don't give a shit about Samus being hot. Zero Mission had Samass in it after all.

They hate Other M because story is shit, gameplay is shit and it assassinates Samus' character

>>323446306
Who cares? It takes place in an alternate universe where Samus was a whimpy, wuss, annoying, scaredy cat cunt, so just ignore it forever and give us a new one already.

>>323463329
And she WASN'T a sniveling crybaby pissing herself when she sees Ridley until Other M. The problem isn't how she looks, it's how she acts and is characterized in MOM.

>>323463052
That could work, especially if you buy into the conjecture that Nightmare was meant to be a counter measure developed in case Samus ever went rogue.

>>323463165
Oh,okay. 2 is the only one I never played along with pinball, but given that they're weak to ice in the Primes I just assumed it was a biological thing

>>323463329
Even taking in the manga as canon Other M is still a piece of shit.
Even in lore you can remove Other M out of the whole timeline and everything would still be fine. Other M added nothing

>>323463187
This is true, but you also have to look at the Omega Metroid's eyes in Fusion they're red. In both Metroid 2 & Other M the Metroid evolved forms eyes are blue is that some kind of coincidence or just different art styles?

>Samus has killed Ridley twice (if we don't count the Primes)
>still breaks down when he shows up in other m
fucking WHY

>>323450362
Nintendo, for the most part, doesn't like to think of their employees as expendable.

>>323463329
Samus was respected by the Feddies and genuinely feared by the Pirates. The Pirates were the ones that pissed themselves at the sight of Samus, not the other way around.

>>323463854
Cinematic Experience

>>323463854
Because:
>>323463486
>>323462713

>>323463329
that's not what people are butthurt you idiot, it's because of her THE BABY bullshit, her ptsd when she sees ridley for the 5th time and the adam dicksucking

Remember in I think Other M when Ridley shows up and Samus is like "woah shit"

I don't remember her breaking down and crying.

>>323463393
it's weird to me that dobson hated on nintendo for allegedly changing mario/peach/daisy/link's characterizations for mass appeal but then embraces it when they blatantly change samus to make her shorter and more subservient/domestic because it appeals to his penis

>>323457075
The car accident did happen to Gunpei.

>>323463883
I actually liked that about the prime series because well: its so damn logical

from the mooks' point of view she's this unstoppable juggernaut who shrugs off their most powerful weaponry and carves its way through even their most guarded operations, genuine fear is extremely likely once the survivors start spreading the news

>>323455429
The same thing that happened to George Lucas. He didn't have anybody to tell him that his ideas were stupid, and he didn't have some Jew fix his script.

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What's the best that can happen with this one?
What would it take for people to forgive it?
Hard Mode: No cancellation and the chibi anatomy stays

>>323464063
I still find it hilarious and sad that he's convinced himself that the DiC cartoons, made by Americans without any input from Nintendo, were the one true canon for Mario and Zelda. Plus his hatred of Link being blonde because a blonde guy bullied him in school.

>>323464361

Be like Metroid Prime Hunters
I loved that game

>>323464361
Sylux might be a boss fight in it?


idk I'll probably buy it just because but I doubt it's going to be great, I imagine it will be atleast better than Other M though.

>>323464063
>make her shorter

Don't fucking start. She was never 6'3". Unless you are indeed like Dobson and believe that Nintendo Power/Cartoons are the true canon.

>>323464361
For starters, note how it is a Prime game. You Metroidbabbies should be glad it's called like that, since it shows they're already ignoring Other Shit. Besides from that, it looks kinda fun, so best scenario it'll do just ok, even if the fans don't even want to look at it.

>>323458176
Actually, they made that game just to make Animal Crossing Amiibo. They don't even give a fuck about it.

>>323464552
6'3"/190cm is her height as listed in the official Metroid II manual.

>>323464552
Then you explain how she loses more than a foot in MOM and Smash 4 when she gets out of her suit. Unless her legs and torso magically lengthen when the suit goes on and shorten when she takes it off.

>>323464685
BUT IT'S CUTE ANON
>This time around, there’s obviously this new thing called Amiibo. The development team for Animal Crossing, we just really wanted Animal Crossing Amiibos. We thought it would be cute. We thought fans would be happy. In the past, Animal Crossing has only been Animal Crossing, but we thought that with the addition of Amiibo — how could we make an Animal Crossing game that would be fun by adding Amiibo features? What resulted was Happy Home Designer on 3DS and Amiibo Festival on the Wii U.
http://nintendoenthusiast.com/news/nintendo-we-thought-fans-would-be-happy-with-animal-crossing-amiibo-festival/

>>323458480
Atlus is half to blame for the shitty ideas in it. Nintendo's responsible for the other half. What's sad is that both companies thought this was a good idea.

>>323464047
it was more than a "woah shit"
it was a "HOLY FUCK" so big that she turned off her varia suit and failing miserably to shoot him down.
it would be understandable if that was the first time she saw ridley since the destruction of her colony, but other m happened after super, which happened after 1 and 2, and in 1 you also fight ridley, without counting prime she has fought ridley twice, and with prime, she fought him three more times

Wouldn't sick pervert fags be an oxymoron?

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>Anthony Higgs was the only good MOM character.

>>323464706
The actual Japanese manual? Is it listed anywhere in Japanese made material? Or was it something that NoA added to spice it up?

>>323464769
Explain the retarded pauldrons in Prime.

>>323464935
>"This is why the characters are all entertainers: in Japan, similar to Greek mythology, there's the idea of the gods being connected to the arts," Takada said. "It's a shamanistic element that's been interpreted by Atlus. The idea is, Japanese priestesses would dance and the dancing would bring them closer to the gods. We wanted to spin this in an Atlus way, so all the characters in the game have some connection to the arts, and that connection and their ability to express themselves attracts the Mirages to them. People who are good at singing or dancing or acting have really strong bonds with Mirages."
>"One of the reasons [we made Fire Emblem characters Mirages] is because since it's an RPG in modern times, we can't have a Pegasus Knight suddenly show up and have the player think that it all makes sense," Yamagami explained. "Because Fire Emblem has its own world, we had to have these characters enter the modern world as visitors from a mirror dimension, called the Idolosphere. And as there are ally units like Chrom and Shiida who come from this world, there are also antagonists that come from that world as well and want to destroy our world."
>That being said, despite the modern setting and prominent pop-idol elements, it sounds like the game will feel at home in the hands of longtime Fire Emblem fans. Yamagami suggested that players who have been with the series for a while will have a different, deeper understanding of the game than series newcomers.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/the-fire-emblem-shin-megami-tensei-crossover-is-pe/1100-6428306/

>>323465060
Yes, the actual Japanese manual you blithering retard.

>>323465009

Nah, just superfluous.

>>323464361

Switching to Samus for the final area and having her destroy enemies that give the marines issues would be a nice way to end the game.

>>323464361

>be a decently fun co-op game, doesn't have to be amazing, just solid
>use it to flesh out different parts of Federation and metroid universe with things like more info on other societies, can possibly tie into some of the hunters
>use this as a setup for Metroid NX NEVER EVER

>>323465053
He had more style than anyone else
Even if Other M was retconned, I wouldn't mind him staying

>>323465216
Actually, getting your whole team saved by Samus after a really hard boss fight would be great.

>>323465053
He was the only thing about that turd of a game I didn't hate.

If they bring him back as a Federation contact for Samus in future games, I could live with that.

>>323462484
It's to keep sand from getting in the cracks.

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>>323464706
In her power suit. That's also why she's heavy as fuck. The people who made the Nintendo Power image for Super Metroid misinterpreted that bit.

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>yfw you unlock the PED suit in federation force

>>323462405
>he and Kojima really are the George Lucas of Japan
Don't forget Anno.

>>323465634

Have they confirmed the game to take place between 2 and 3? Given Hunters, I assume Nintendo just wants Prime to mean 3d Metroid instead of a Metroid game where you fight Metroid Prime.

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>>323465614
Even if that's her power suit she still has to fit into it. And 200 lbs for a person + armor is way too low. She's 6 feet at the very least.

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>>323464586
I was too busy being pissed to notice that. Thanks donut.

>>323462405
Kojima still makes good games though, regardless of what contrarian faggots say.

>>323465216
Samus will be the final boss

>>323465764
>KT: There isn’t a very specific place within the Metroid Prime timeline, but somewhere in the Prime 1, 2, 3, Hunters, and Federation Force, it’s somewhere within that.
http://www.gonintendo.com/stories/239944-nintendo-on-metroid-prime-federation-force-structure-samus-ami

>>323465779
Yeah, the suit wouldn't add much height. As for the weight, I guess it's made of bird magic. I doubt Samus is 200 lbs.

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>>323464552
>Samus not the same height as her suit.
Shut up!

>>323466024
So a sudden Order 66?

>>323465764
No idea, I just think it would be a nice little reference to Prime 3.

The game could theoretically be set over multiple games with the missions interspersed throughout the "prime" timeline, maybe have early missions where it's just basic GF stuff like research missions to capture lifeforms or checking out distress singles and then progressing to missions set in the period of war during prime 3.


Federation force could be a really fucking cool game but the art style and blitzball just makes me think it isn't being taken seriously.

>>323465060
>Explain the retarded pauldrons in Prime.

You mean the ones she also has in II and Super?

>>323466024

Unless she had no suit upgrades and you had the Federation's best guns and armor, it would be completely unwinnable.

>>323466046
all games other than MOM did give samus an athletic bodytype though, so she would have at least some mass from muscles
200lbs might be to much but she's not frail by any standards

>>323466286
But Anon you have the power of teamwork

>>323466286
Its 4 against one and one of your team disguises himself as ridley which makes her scream in terror and cower in fear

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>>323463486
/v/ predicted it back in 2009. Pic related!

>>323466046
the suit I believe is somewhere in 700 to 800lbs since it sinks in water along would being hampered by the water's resistance if she isn't wearing the Gravity Suit.

>>323466391
Sorry, buddy, but this is Prime Samus. You have no chance of survival.

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>>323466347
I guess the suit is lightweight polyfiber plastimetal carbon nanotubes. I doubt whoever made the Metroid 2 manual put much thought into it anyway.

>>323452631
>never been made by the Japanese.
True for most video games. I don't think Asians past the age of 30 understand the concept of fun. They just somehow arrived at a position where they make pixels move on screens and this gets them money and respect somehow so they stick with it.

>>323446306
>So Team Ninja is to blame, right?
Yes it is. Sakamoto worked on all Metroid games prior to Other M, on all Wario Ware games and on Tomodachi life. All good games, yes even Tomodachi. And yet, somehow he is to blame for Other M? No. He just took responsability for the game, sure, but everyone with a brain knows Team Ninja are the ones to blame.

But nobody expect metroidfags to own a brain.

REMEMBER ME?

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>>323466678
He literally wrote the whole story himself. It was at his insistence the game be played only with the Wii remote. It is his fault, Anon.

>>323464987

Yeah I meant to say Zero Mission not other m

she's a little baby in other m

>>323466678
I respect Sakamoto's contributions prior to Other M and I enjoy his other works but the guy simply shouldn't work on a new Metroid again. The man lost his touch and gave out an atrocious story

>>323453920
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhlMFFB1M9w

>>323466601
On Halo Waypoint the website gives the Master Chief's height in armor (7'2) but gives his weight (286 lbs) out of armor.

>>323466678
>He just took responsability for the game

meaning it's his fault it's bad.

Plus he wrote the story

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>>323466957
Well it's not like the game was made by Bungie, and Samus certainly doesn't look 200 lbs. It's fairly clear they mean her fully suited, and it's probably best not to give a completely arbitrary weight any consideration anyway.

>>323467219

I knida want to stick my dick in there

>>323446507
Fuck off Movieblob

>>323467219
She has toned arms, legs, abs, back, & ass. I'm pretty sure she's 198 lbs. muscle > fat.

>>323467426

/r/ing that image with the imouto metroid

>>323446306
You have to be 18 or over to use this board

>>323467426
>tfw no cutie metroid gf to drain your life energy away

>>323449090
>Also, NO KENJI YAMAMOTO.
Fucking this

Great tunes have always been a staple of Metroid, Other M has NOTHING memorable.

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>>323456112
And yet it has a higher user score than Fallout 4.

FTGE

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>>323450184
Imagine how cool Other M could have been if it was just some goofy action side-game that Team Ninja could have used the full controller for, while a proper Metroid was being made for the upcoming 3DS.

>>323456112
Remember the IGN review that said Samus will probably become one of your favourite characters after the game?

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>>323446306
>2016
>STILL blaming Team Ninja
>when Sakamoto wrote that abortion of a story
>when Sakamoto insisted that Samus have a terrible VA on purpose
>when Sakamoto insisted upon using the Wiimote pointer to aim missiles

Kill yourself right now.

>>323456612
Fuck off Tameem, no one likes your game

>>323464158
Exactly. Those logs were just a fantastic addition.

>>323457837
>Or the fact that if Space Pirates aren't Sapient, how did they reprogram Mother Brain in the first place?
Wait I knew about the non-sapient Pirates plothole, but what's this about reprogramming Mother Brain? I thought she was always evil.

>>323449090
This.

>>323468772
Think he meant rebuilt, Mother Brain is never reprogrammed ever iirc

>>323468772

Old plot point from Metroid one that got retconned but it hardly matters since ZM booted the first game out of canon.

>>323468976
No it didn't same plot. Samus gets sent to Zebes to exterminate the Metroids & take out Mother Brain. Things in the manual may have been retconed but the main story is still the same.

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>>323467426
Do it

>>323463854
I would have liked that fight a lot more if it was done in reverse
>You fight and beat Ridley
>It knocks Anthony into the lava
>Then Samus breaks down as she realises that despite everything she's done, she can never save anybody, which would have worked well with what that flashback with Adam's brother.

>>323464361
I'd be interested to see if they had Samus as an easy mode character, like how DKCR had super kong, and Mario games had auto-play, XCX had Blades you could recruit for a fee to help out.
So what if FF had Samus as something like that, or a super buffed up version of a trooper

I don't know if /v/ is full of 13 years old children or most people here are just senile
But I was on the Internet 13 years ago when Metroid Fusion came out
I was there to read all those comments about "whaaaaaa why Samus talks whaaaaaa"
Fusion got the same shit Other M gets today

Thanksfully people grow up and now they don't hate on Fusion, but sadly they don't remember they used to bitch about it in the past

>>323467219
Bungie had the same damn canon.

>>323469465
Fusion has great gameplay and exploration
Other m will never be called good

>>323469410

UNF

>>323469465
This is true.

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>>323469529
What did you mean by this?

>>323469552
Can't say anything about Other M gameplay, but people hated the hell out of Fusion for telling you where to go and that Samus talks
This was a first for a Metroid game and people hated it

>>323469687
343 kept the canon Bungie established with their games & book. In the Fall of Reach Master CHief was 6'10 286 lbs without armor. Bungie did have Chief at 390 lbs but this was explained in 343's data drops that that was the black undersuit combined with Chief's own weight.

>>323469897
Then you should really play other M, its an educational experience for sure.
It not only tells you where to go but the way to get there is always 5 rooms away and the path is completely linear. It only has 3 sectors and are all very small, smaller than any sector in fusion.

>>323469897
People still mostly dislike those facets of Fusion though.

Atleast Fusion is a pretty good game underneath that whereas Other M just plain isn't.

>>323469465
>Thanksfully people grow up and now they don't hate on Fusion


That's wrong, though. The same people that complained about Fusion's storytelling back then still complain about it now, although some of them aren't quite as enraged by it. Meanwhile, the people that didn't mind it usually still don't mind it. The important point here being that there was some disagreement in the first place, so there was a basis for discussion, which could change people's minds.

Other M was practically universally reviled (and rightfully so). I can't think of anybody ever saying something positive about the game's writing other than to bait in these threads. People won't change their opinion on it because everybody has the same, correct opinion: It's shit.

>>323470180
Hell, as an addendum I think the reason people are more accepting of Fusions talking and telling you where to go nowadays is partially because of Other M showing people what full retard looks like.

>>323469897
Other M took those issues from Fusion and made them wore