>>323431496 Along with Quake Wars they represent the end of an era. After them Id was no longer Id. It makes me sad to see their corpse still paraded around by Zenimax with no understanding on their part of what made Id great.
At least Epic has come to their senses with the new Unreal Engine and the latest UT.
>>323431496 Didn't like Doom 3. Due to focus on graphics they had to design tight and dark levels, and design game around those limitations. Shotgun is no fun if effective only withing melee range. Everything is dark and your view for most part doesn't reach past 5 meters. Rifle is one of most unexciting AR in first person shooters, and you'll use it plenty because shotgun is useless. Also game is just slow. I guess it was supposed to be "scary", but everything is bland and boring right after you watch second Imp spawn, and hait patiently untill it animations ends and you can finally kill it.
Quake 4 is overall similar to Doom 3, but has most design and gameplay issues fixed. Also friendly AI suprisingly isn't useless. Overall excellent game as far as linear FPS's go. My only complains are turret sections, and that they didn't go all way and provided all weapons with flashlights.
>>323432707 The arena game was an exception, have you not played the previous games? >>323432814 True, Rage was a major dissapointment and after looking at a few videos of the Doom 4 multy, I expect it to be trash. It's also quite sad how Raven got the short end of the stick as well, nowadays they're just helping with the developement of COD.
>>323434626 Normal. BFG is straight up console port. It has native widescreen support, but also downgraded lighting and unskippable cutscenes, which tend to be long, slow and boring. Also there are almost no mods/user fixes for BFG.
doom 3 is alright. it was unique for the time. it's more of an experience than a game, though. quake 4 is just mediocre in every regard, like every raven software game ever since the heretic/hexen series
when did people unironically start praising quake 4? it was never good and it never will be. it's doom 3 with squad mechanics, slightly more open spaces, and far less interesting environments. at least doom 3 was kind of the first of its kind; quake 4 was just a "me-too" game copying popular trends of its time
>>323432979 >It's also quite sad how Raven got the short end of the stick as well, nowadays they're just helping with the developement of COD
that's because they released a string of horrendously mediocre games that very few people liked. i mean, raven became notorious for mediocrity despite how much effort they put into their games. raven died for a reason
>>323437875 >The Enemy Territory kept it relevant all the way to early 2010s in many circles.
except that's bullshit. i bought quake wars on release and the online scene was dead within a year or so. it wasn't a terribly good game at all. most people who tried it went back to battlefield, which it was basically a clone of anyway
>>323431496 DOOM3 is great, and I say that as 20+ year doomer. That said doom4 is looking to be a DOOM cod reskin, such a shame. The game was restarted like 3 times to try and avoid this, but like most modern fucking publishers bethesda had to stick their nose in it and say "CATER TO THE WIGGERS AND NORMALFAGS FIRST, THE ORIGINAL FANBASE DOESN'T MATTER. WE NEED MONEYYYYY!!!".
>>323438193 Yeah but WHY the soldiers only save Kane and not the others soldiers in the Stroggification process after him? I mean, just like Kane the activation of the neurocyte in their system was interrupted too so they were still human. Was Kane super special to them or something?
>>323431496 Very good games. Doom 3's visuals were revolutionary and the sense of tension as you progressed through each area was extreme. Quake 4 was just a totally solid old-school FPS with very satisfying guns and some cool twists/gimmicks to keep things interesting.
>>323431496 Quake 4 felt pretty damn mediocre judging by the demo. Didn't like 2 either, the Strogg-shit just isn't very interesting.
Doom 3 is pretty good though. Terribly underrated shooter despite flaws. Wish they would remake it with same tone and aeshtetics, but less linear levels and better writing. Certainly better game than Half-Life 2.
>>323445380 Im pretty sure it doesn't have to do with story at all but common sense and lazyness. A simple dialogue line like "alright lets take Kane and we'll come for the others later, they don't seem to be in good shape as soldier Kane is".
>>323447796 Majority would require medevac rather than dustoff. Marines examinating dead Sergeant onboard Hannibal said process is so violent, subjects are injected full of drugs just to not die in process, which means without immediate medical treatment they will die during evacuation.
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