>Mario and Luigi Might be okay, but is probably shit considering the last M&L and PM were both garbage. >FE:F Waifushit. Casual waifushit actually. >Hyrule Warriors Port of a grindfest. >M&S lol >Boxboy sequel? Boxboy was fun, so I guess this is alright. >Federation Force lol >LoZ:TP Port. Dolphin version looks better honestly. >SFZ Looks like shit so far. >Pokken It's so bad that they actually had to take it out of some arcades. When a fucking POKEMON game is doing bad, you know something is up. >M&S lol >#FE https://youtu.be/kjr7CaSIzY4?t=629 >LoZ Also on NX.
>>323325437 Jesus christ that WiiU lineup. >cashgrab filler HD port >Star Fox Zero Effort >arcade port >shovelware >the infamous #FE blunder >implying Zelda will come this year/not be crossgen Brava Nintendo
>>323325437 The 3ds looks like it has a more solid catalogue than the Wii U.
The new Legend of Zelda game is supposedly coming out this year but we don't have any confimration on that. Knowing Nintendo they might delay that game again. Twilight Princess is great but it doesn't look like much of a remake. Star Fox Zero and #FE seem to be the only decent games coming out this year, and its unlikely Star Fox is gonna get more than 100k, and even less for #FE.
>>323325893 #FE being too anime isn't the problem, the problem is it has very little themes from the respective franchises it claims to represent. And idols are about as niche as they can get in the gaming industry, even in Japan themselves.
>>323328630 If you're going by new releases then there have only been two 3D mainline Zelda titles. If you're going by any official thing released by Nintendo then you're technically either saying all 3D Zelda games are bad or that the remakes insult whichever of the original games you like because Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, and Waker all got remakes this generation.
>>323325437 Not bad given it's January and Nintendo typically announces lots of games throughout the year that also get released the same year. Games like 3D world and Pokemon were announced and released within the same year.
>>323328387 It was dead 8 years ago when the creator said he had no interest in making 2D Metroid anymore, hence why he made OM in the first place (he wanted to do a sci-fi "space drama" TV episode instead)
3DS is fucking dead for me except Fates, which I guess is still alright since it has more than one FE's worth of content.
Hype for TPHD and (hopefully) Zelda U. Maybe Star Fox since I managed to never touch the series before. I was looking forward to KOWASHITAI but I'm reconsidering after the lukewarm reception among Japanese players.
>>323325437 >M&L Paper Jam no >new FE mite b good >HW Legends not interested in musous, also it's a re-release >Mario and Sonic nah nigga >japanese game don't know what it is >Metroid: Fuck you fans >TP Remaster no >SF0 It's made by Platinum so it may be short as fuck >Pokken mite b good >#FE no >ZeldaU >implying
OoT was clunky and just as linear as any other Zelda game. The "overworld" was empty and fucking tiny, there was little to do or see. NPC interaction and sidequests were sparse.
MM was a lazy cash-grab, it's fucking short, and one of the four dungeons is just one long fetch quest. It was a lazy cash-grab that reused OoT's assets before the N64 finally died the slow, painful death it deserved for being such a poorly-designed console.
Starfox and Pokken look nice. We haven't seen near enough of Zelda to judge it. Fed Force looks like it might be a little too slow but I'm not completely autistic about the franchise so I'll wait til we see more before it call it shit.
>>323330474 >Federation force Can't wait for it to turn out to be a perfectly enjoyable, solid spin-off title that could have been safely ignored if you didn't want it. The childishly negative reaction to the game will just send the message that Metroid "fans" are impossible to please and that Nintendo should just not bother with the franchise anymore if this is how "fans" react to anything but the game Nintendo would have to read minds to make.
>>323330778 Pretty much. I don't think the game looks great from what we've seen but NLG are a solid team and the premise is perfectly fine (fuck, it's even something a lot of fans were asking for previously). There are issues I take with it but 90% of the complaints are just "it's different so it should be cancelled"
I don't think any of them realize this game isn't taking the place of a "true" Metroid and getting it destroyed won't cause a new one to happen any faster.
>>323330893 >MM isn't a lazy cash grab crapped out in a year that existed solely because OoT already did and it could reuse the engine and all the assets and wasn't short as shit with, by far, the least amount of meaningful content in any Zelda game
>B-b-but WW, SS and TP are SHIT!
We're gonna need some pretty strong solvent to dissolve the glue that's melted those rose-tinted glasses to your face.
>>323331474 Unique doesn't always equate to good though.
I don't dislike MM at all, I just love pissing off MM fanboys who pretend it was the pinnacle of Zelda and everything after was shit while ignoring the fact that MM and OoT offend in many of the same areas, but worse.
>>323331050 No it's not, but it's stupid to take out your frustrations over the lack of a game out on something that is ultimately unrelated to that. It's no less retarded than all those people that started getting pissy about Tropical Freeze because it wasn't Prime 4.
>>323331330 >>323331089 It's perfectly fine to not want or like Federation force, it's another matter entirely to insist it get canned in favor of some other hypothetical game that simply does not exist. FF did not replace some "real" Metroid game, we'd be in the same place with or without it.
Other M was mediocre, Nintendo will make another Metroid when they feel they have a good idea for one. Do you want Another M, or do you want them to keep the franchise on the back burner until they can actually do it justice and make a good game again?
>>323331737 It'll be eshop probably. Then again who knows with NoA. FF5 was digital only, devil's third got a physical release and we seem to not be getting the newest rhythm heaven at all. What an odd company.
>>323332012 Why would anyone be hyped at Fed Force? Just buy literally any other coop FPS on the market and you'll probably have a better time. Or is playing as a super deformed fed robot with shitty DS controls that much important to you?
>>323329163 >it has very little themes from the respective franchises it claims to represent Stop spreading this bullshit, it has 100% SMT gameplay and like 50% FE characters. The overarching theme may be different but it has a lot from both series.
>>323332178 Not to mention Nintendo has confirmed before they have plans for traditional Metroid. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we heard about an NX Metroid title sometime this year or next year.
>>323333883 >That thing got killed much earlier than you're making it sound. They had a playable build. Look it up. >Frankly I think they were put on FF because there isn't much time left for the 3DS and Wii U For a shitty filler game it took them a lot of time. LM2 was finished almost 3 years ago.
>>323326434 >It's so bad that they actually had to take it out of some arcades. When a fucking POKEMON game is doing bad, you know something is up. Where did you get this from? Pokken has twitter campaigns with over 100,000 results almost every month. Shit they are doing one right now to guess the new character being revealed next week.
>>323335846 >Nintendo having no idea how to put together a proper E3 showing. So, CG trailers with no gameplay for games that aren't coming for 1+ year? Because that's the standard at E3, not showing up with playable demos for games you're just now revealing.
There was absolutely nothing wrong with Nintendo's E3 presentation, they showed up with games and gameplay, not celebrities and trailers. Not liking what they showed doesn't mean they did a poor job presenting it, it means you just don't like the games.
>>323336236 Everyone else fucks up their E3s often too, that doesn't excuse Nintendo's shittiness.
They devoted large portions of the show to games that were already announced and shown extensively, they announced a lot of things prior to the show for no particular reason, which just left them with fewer things to talk about, they started off with their biggest reveal so the rest of the thing just felt like waiting for "the big reveal" even though they started with it, and Metroid being first shown off as a soccer game confused the fuck out of people over what the thing is supposed to be.
Don't defend that shit-show. They've had good E3s before and that wasn't one of them.
>>323336236 Shame on me for not loving Amiibo Party, Federation Force, Mario Tennis, and the 245# trailer of Xenoblade and Mario Maker, I guess. Not to mention the Skylanders shilling, worthless minutes of developer stories and shit like Let's Super Mario.
>>323336859 >Don't defend that shit-show It was not a shit show just because you didn't like the games.
It was infinitely better than any of the other presentations because it was focused on gameplay, not a big staged event with trailers.
What was wrong with showing us extensive gameplay for unreleased games? We should have seen reveals for games we won't be playing for two years instead? We should get MORE "prease understandu"? Nintendo specifically stated E3 2015 would focus on 2015 games long before E3 even started. E3 isn't just for reveals and CG trailers, it's an expo.
>>323336236 But their E3 presentation was shit as they spent too much time on mundane things. There was no excuse for how much time was spent on literally just yarn talk about Yoshi's Woolly World and the rest of the developer stories. No one gives a shit.
>>323337468 >if you didn't like it then you must have wanted [other bad thing] because only two extremes exist, not to mention they only focused on 2015 because the Wii U and 3DS are clearly on their death bed
You didn't even acknowledge the faults I mentioned so please stop trying.
>>323334773 actually they removed it because it was giving too much play time relative to money spent for like 1 or 2 japanbucks you could spend up to an hour playing without having to insert more money
>No New Punch-Out game with beat em up gameplay >No new 3D Metroid >No body makes anything for even the eshop >Sega wont even port its old games in some kind of collection >No Ultima Underworld style game to take advantage of the gamepad >no ZOmbi U sequel >No Baten Kaitos collection
>>323337872 >they started off with their biggest reveal so the rest of the thing just felt like waiting for "the big reveal" even though they started with it Not a problem at all, that grabs people's attention. You WANT to start with something big so people aren't disinterested right away. And we knew about star Fiox already anyway, and the same goes for most of the big E3 reveals this year too.
As for there not being another "big reveal" that's all down to whether or not you liked what they showed, which has no bearing on the quality of the presentation or the fact that it showed plenty of gameplay.
>Announced before the show All they announced before the show was the Smash DLC, something that should have been left out of the presentation if you're complaining about them showing games we already knew about.
>Metroid being first shown off as a soccer game confused the fuck out of people over what the thing is supposed to be. What was confusing about it? Revealing a game with gameplay and a demo is bad now? I get it, you don't like Federation Force.
Nintendo's focus was on showing gameplay, not CG trailers for games we won't play until 2017. If that's what you want out of E3, then good for you, but I'd much rather see gameplay, even if it's for games I don't care about.
It looks like the WiiU is in for a rough year, and while I am a bit miffed I didn't get a new Metroid and Star Fox looks underwhelming I still got more fun out of the little guy than any other platform I've had in years.
Luckily I have friends over a lot so the couch co-op focus of the WiiU has really made it the go to platform for me.
>>323339540 >You didn't even acknowledge the points I mentioned so please stop trying.
We knew about most of the other big games revealed by other publishers, they showed far less gameplay, if any, for lots of games. MS even re-used half the Fallout 4 shit we saw already for their presentation.
Nintendo had a better show because they focused on showing us gameplay. That's all there is to it, I don't care how you felt about any of the games revealed/shown at E3, this is why they had a better show.
>>323341109 >Nintendo had a better show because they focused on showing us gameplay. That's all there is to it, I don't care how you felt about any of the games revealed/shown at E3, this is why they had a better show.
>>323341159 You're the only one bringing up how much better they were than the other shows. I'm just saying it was shit. E3s are usually shit but Nintendo's was shit primarily because they had a severe lack of things to talk about and did a very poor job of pretending the Wii U and 3DS aren't dying. Everyone elses were shit for different reasons, stop mentioning them.
And frankly what good is gameplay if we've seen it already? Would you be fine with them showing off footage of Pikmin 3 again just because "hey its gameplay!"
>>323341351 Yes. Showing us gameplay is always better than not showing us gameplay. Because these are video games.
You don't seem to grasp the concept here. Whether or not you liked the games is subjective, whether or not we saw gameplay or a trailer is not. AGAIN, I don't care how you felt about ANYONE'S games at E3, if they don't show gameplay, it was a shitty presentation. Period. E3 is for video games, show us gameplay.
>>323341606 >E3s are usually shit but Nintendo's was shit primarily because they had a severe lack of things to talk about E3 isn't about creating talking points, it's about showing us video games.
>And frankly what good is gameplay if we've seen it already? We had not seen any/most of it prior to E3. They streamed hours of gameplay from games we had seen little from, and it was all/mostly fresh footage, not recycled from trailers or something else.
>>323343417 >I don't care if even the fans think it was the worst E3 for Nintendo, they showed gameplay so they win First, you're generalizing, and second, yes I already explained this to you.
If you're not showing us gameplay, then who fucking cares? All the big stage spectacle does is hype people for games they shouldn't be hyped for yet. I don't care if they announced FF7 remake or whatever, they didn't show us much of anything about how it's going to actually play. There's nothing to get excited for, they could have just plopped the trailer on youtube.
>>323344641 >If you're not showing us gameplay, then who fucking cares? The investors and fans, that's literally E3 main goal and why it was designed >All the big stage spectacle does is hype people for games they shouldn't be hyped for yet. You're clearly new to this whole videogame thing
>Nier2 and a new Rare game trailer: who fucking cares? >Metroid "middle finger to the fans" spinoff shows gameplay: OMG BEST CONFERENCE EVAH! This fucking guy
>>323343417 Showing gameplay for a bad game is infinitely superior to showing us a trailer and little/no gameplay.
You're able to make an informed decision right away, you can tell you won't like the game because you've seen gameplay. With a bullshit CG trailer, you have no idea, it's all for marketing so you're pulled in without actually being informed.
The less informed customers are, the better it is for publishers. This is why shitty, broken games still sell millions, because clever, careful marketing makes sure customers see as little of the actual product as possible, and when they do its as controlled and in as good a light as possible.
>>323325437 >Mario & Luigi mite b good >Fire Emblem Fates only real 3DS title to look forward to >Hyrule Warriors inferior port of a Wii-U title >Some Japanese game ???? >Metroid Federation Force lol
>Zelda Twiilght Princess HD shitty port and a waste of money >StarFox Zero looks like a rushed, mediocre piece of crap, to say the least >Pokken Tournament actually looks kind of fun, might be good >Mario and Sonic ahahaahahaahah >Kawashitai aahHAHAHAHAHAAHAH, that shit deserved to bomb hard >Zelda U Only title to look forward to, and that's assuming that Nintendo doesn't fuck up like Skyward Sword; 99% chance it's coming to the NX as well either way
>>323345174 >The investors Who fucking cares, they're idiots and only care about money, not making games that don't suck. retarded investors are why Nintendo is even making shitty mobile games. >and fans Fans should be seeing gameplay. Fans being "wowed" by trailers is exactly what publishers want and perpetuates the shitty AAA games we get every year. It's all for the benefit of the publisher, not the fans.
>>323325437 >Paper Jam looks just as good as the other M&L games which is to say it looks good >Fates will probably be fine >Hyrule Warriors Legends is pretty dumb, but at least the Wii U vesion is going to get the DLC >Federation Force honestly looks fun and that was the general feeling before all these Metroidfags found out its related to Metroid >Mario & Sonic games are pointless so who cares >TP is a great game so here it is in HD >Star Fox Zero will probably be pretty good even if visually it looks bland >Pokken Tournament looks fun >#FE is gonna be great >Zelda U will probably be amazing
I see no problem with this. It's not like Nintendo doesn't announce shit the same year it'll come out all the time.
>>323345871 >Nigga I'd take a million trailers or premiers that shows promise like say Nier 2 But if it's just a trailer, you don't know that it shows promise, that's the point.
You don't know if it's going to be good or bad, you can't inform yourself because there's nothing there that's informative. It's no better than simply announcing the game is being made. It's like getting hyped for a film announcement before seeing the trailer, you have no information with which to form an opinion yet.
You immediately knew you didn't like Amiibo Shitfest because you immediately knew what it was, you were informed. You were able to definitively say "I don't want this piece of shit" because you saw plenty of gameplay.
>>323325437 I think that the Star Fox Zero will be like Jurassic World and Star Wars: The Force Awakens. It will be a good, well-made game and most people who play it will like it, but it will be criticized for not doing much new and sticking too close to its roots.
>>323345526 You're talking about comparing definitive shit against an unknown. One is obviously and clearly shit and the other may or may not be shit.
Good gameplay is always the best but really if you know one is shit right away that just brings down the whole conference. Besides it's not like Nintendo was the only one with gameplay but I know you'll keep pretending that's the case just because it's all they had.
I mean fuck their 2014 and 2013 conferences were great because they had gameplay and lots of stuff to show off. This year was mostly filler titles thrown together so they can prop the 3DS and Wii U up like fucking Weekend at Bernie's and say they're still going strong.
>>323346835 >But if it's just a trailer, you don't know that it shows promise, that's the point. I was hyped because Nier 1 was a good game and knowing that the sequel will be handled by a competent dev made me even more hyped
>You immediately knew you didn't like Amiibo Shitfest because you immediately knew what it was, you were informed. You were able to definitively say "I don't want this piece of shit" because you saw plenty of gameplay. No because just the title itself was enough proof that this shit was going to be awful
>>323346680 >Investors Again, fuck the investors. Why do you give one single iota of a shit abot the investors?
This isn't just for investors, they have, you know, exclusive investors meetings for that. This is a huge event with lots of media coverage and on-floor demos for the hundreds and hundreds of attendees to play. E3 demos used to be a much more common thing.
>Yeah because that worked wonders for Nintendo this year right? They got lots and lots of feedback, so yes, it did help them. If people aren't going to like what they're making they should know sooner rather than later. Can't bitch about Nintendo being out of touch with fans and say they shouldn't be transparent with their games by showing gameplay because reception might be negative, shit makes no sense.
>durr you can't get hyped at a trailer you need gameplay to justify it >implying /v/ didn't flip their shit when the initial Persona 5 trailer was revealed >implying /v/ wouldn't flip their shit if Valve showed the words 'half life 3 coming soon'
>>323347675 >Why do you give one single iota of a shit abot the investors?
Goddamn it are you stupid? E3 is just a marketing campaign, you think they show their latest projects because they love you? fuck no, they do it to attract the attention of investors
>They got lots and lots of feedback, so yes, it did help them. You mean all the negative feedback saying that was the worst thing they've done and that FedForce was a disgrace and should be cancelled ASAP? Are you forgetting how even the Treehouse fags think that feedback was just trolls and such?
>>323346972 >One is obviously and clearly shit and the other may or may not be shit. And it was clearly shit because we saw more than a title and a CG trailer, that's the crux of my point.
We don't see gameplay for lots of other games because it's better for the publisher that way. It creates hype without the possibility of the game being negatively received before release. Publishers do not want customers to be informed, an informed customer is a discerning customer and not one that will blindly pre-order your game and its season pass. It's all for the benefit of the publisher, not the player.
>No because just the title itself was enough proof that this shit was going to be awful Not arguing the game isn't bad, but that's just personal bias. I'm sure the people that actually liked the game enjoy amiibos, it's all subjective. But whether or not I can make that informed decision is not.
>Zelda U >Star Fox Zero >FE Fates >Hyrule Warriors Considering it
>TP HD >Mario & Sonic >FExSMT Pass
>Fed Force Premise is cool as fuck but the gameplay they showed looked boring as shit, wouldn't surprise me if they went back to the drawing board on it considering we haven't heard anything about it since the initial announcement. Cautiously looking forward to see how they handle it from here.
>>323347675 Feedback is irrelevant if they don't act on it. Nintendo never listen to the fans. People shat on Amiibo Festival, Mario Tennis, #FE, and what did Nintendo do? Nothing, they all came out and flopped. And the same will happen to FF and SF0.
If you know it's a shit game, how does that make it a good conference? And don't you even dare fall back on your "BUT MICROSOFT AND SONY... BUT THE CG TRAILERS..." nonsense again to try and pass it over to something unrelated. Explain to me how shit games make for anything more than a shit conference. Explain how wasting time on games we've already seen everything from is anything more than boring filler.
>>323348350 You just sound like the worst kind of corporate apologist.
>It's an ad campaign doofus! >Feedback from fans is always a bad thing!
E3 was not and should not be one giant ad for AAA CG trailers, that's fucking awful and is why shit like Fallout 4 and Battlefront sell millions and millions of copies and why AAA pubs get away with it every fucking year. It keeps the normies in the dark so they all run out and preorder like good goys.
Getting feedback from fans is ALWAYS good, positive or negative. You're a fucking moron if you even try to argue against this, I just don't understand how you could possibly spin this as being a bad thing. If the game is bad, Nintendo should know.
>>323349007 And you sound like the worst kind of Nintendo apologist
>3 was not and should not be one giant ad for AAA CG trailers But sad news it is and it has always been >that's fucking awful and is why shit like Fallout 4 and Battlefront sell millions and millions of copies and why AAA pubs get away with it every fucking year. That's because marketing you goof, if they weren't marketed they would sell like shit
>Getting feedback from fans is ALWAYS good, positive or negative. You're a fucking moron if you even try to argue against this, I just don't understand how you could possibly spin this as being a bad thing. If the game is bad, Nintendo should know. And like >>323348531 said, feedback is useless if Nintendo doesn't do shit Amiibo Festival wasn't either improved or cancelled Mario Tennis wasn't improved FedForce wasn't either improved or cancelled
Gee great fucking response from Nintendo you got here
>>323348929 >If you know it's a shit game, how does that make it a good conference? Your entire argument stems from this: >It's a good conference if I personally and subjectively liked their games Everyone has different opinions, everyone is going to like certain games and dislike others. There's no precedent, there's no baseline for comparison.
My basis for judging their conference was not whether or not I personally liked what they announced, because that's completely subjective. They had a "good" conference because they showed gameplay and we were all able to make informed opinions about what they showed us, good or bad.
That is a lot more important than fabricated hype to sell preorders. No stupid celebrity cameos, No TVTVTV SPORTS (though they did have amiibos, fuck amiibos.) It's not just what they showed us but HOW they showed it to us. They allowed us to form opinions and say "These games look like shit" as opposed to leaving us to find that out on release day like so many other publishers.
>>323349663 >And you sound like the worst kind of Nintendo apologist Where did I say what they showed us was good? Where did I say Amiibo Shitfest wasn't terrible?
You're not getting it. It's not about liking the games. It's about transparency and informing customers before asking them for money. It's about E3 not being one giant ad campaign for AAA garbage.
They showed us GAMEplay for all their video GAMES, so we were all able to form an opinion. We did not just see trailers with little/no gameplay leaving us to wonder and buy into the fabricated hype. They were upfront about their games, shitty or not, and we need a lot more of that today, not less.
>>323350637 >Where did I say what they showed us was good? You said they had a good conference because they showed us gameplay of shit games nobody wanted
>It's about E3 not being one giant ad campaign for AAA garbage. It has always been like that, it's not a recent thing goddamn are you this thick?
>They showed us GAMEplay for all their video GAMES, so we were all able to form an opinion. We did not just see trailers with little/no gameplay leaving us to wonder and buy into the fabricated hype. They were upfront about their games, shitty or not, and we need a lot more of that today, not less. We are running circles at this point, nobody gives a fuck if you the gameplay you shown is awful and it's about games nobody wants and it's not like the games you shown a trailer of in E3 don't get gameplay footage later on
>>323337468 >What was wrong with showing us extensive gameplay for unreleased games? Treehouse was good as usual, what was wrong was their Digital Event where they gave extensive time to Shigeru talking about gates n shit and one randy woman talking about wool. It was fucking retarded.
>>323343154 >E3 isn't about creating talking points, it's about showing us video games. They didn't have enough announcements of new GAMES and the gameplay they showed us of previously announced games wasn't new or interesting enough to create a surge of interest or excitement.
Not about whether or not I personally liked the games. It's about the fact that we were able to actually be informed about them to be able to say we didn't like them in the first place. We are not afforded that opportunity often anymore, and that's a huge problem.
It's at the point where this isn't normal, where deceptive CG trailers are normal and showing gameplay means fewer pre-orders. Fuck that, all that does is benefit publishers selling broken games. SHOW US GAMEPLAY. If you announce games and show little/no gameplay and just a trailer, then fuck you, you've got a shitty E3 presentation because there's no information there for me to absorb or have an opinion on. I shouldn't have to wait for embargoed reviews and Let's Plays to form an opinion on your game. Fuck, we don't even have demos anymore.
>>323351123 >Like the one about Nintendo not actually listening to fans feedback. They delayed Star Fox after E3 feedback, Federation Force doesn't even have a date yet despite supposedly being a Q1/2 2016 title. And, to be perfectly fair, a huge chunk of that feedback was "cancel this game" which is not really feedback or a realistic solution to not liking the game.
>>323352118 >If you announce games and show little/no gameplay and just a trailer, then fuck you, you've got a shitty E3 presentation because there's no information there for me to absorb or have an opinion on.
That would be an acceptable response, except that both Sony and Microsoft showed gameplay footage of some their latest projects. Sony showed gameplay of Uncharted 3, Horizon and TLG Microsoft showed gameplay of Gears and that pirate game Rare is working on
>>323352118 Star Fox was delayed to have something to release in 2016. They already did it before. It has nothing to do with feedback, the game will be the same. The feedback for FF doesn't count? Lol And what about Amiibo Festival, Mario Tennis and #FE? Where are the changes made as a result of the negative reception?
>>323352118 You just repeated your previous point without actually addressing what I said.
There is nothing informative about their segments on Mario Maker or Woolly World. We'd seen those games. We'd seen A LOT of those games. We got an extensive gameplay demonstration of Mario Maker literally just the day before E3. The customers didn't learn anything more about them by having them cut to Miyamoto talk about SMB1 or to that one lady so she could talk about yarn. That was filler.
>>323352118 Jesus, you don't have to buy a game right after its announcement at E3. Everyone, Nintendo included, releases tons of footage between announcement and release. Shitty AAA games don't sell because they keep the gameplay hidden.
>>323351389 >nobody gives a fuck if you the gameplay you shown is awful How would you know its awful if you hadn't seen it? That's the fucking point, you were able to form that opinion because THEY SHOWED US GAMEPLAY.
And, by that same logic, no one gives a flying fuck about your game without gameplay either, because there's no information there. There's nothing to form an opinion on. All you know is that the game exists, and we don't need E3 to get that information. It's all done for marketing/hype, which is not done for our benefit.
>>323352020 Okay, fair points. That's why it wasn't a particularly good/great presentation, but unlike pretty much everyone else at E3 they were fairly transparent about their games. I think that's extremely important, especially today. Lukewarm games but good coverage is always better than trailers and no gameplay because there's nothing for you to be excited/disappointed about yet. And the respsonse from E3 will likely impact what Nnintendo does this year, feedback is always good and was enabled by how they presented their games last year.
>Shat in spinoffs, when others don't even get the opportunity >Shat on Samus's look in Smash 4, when Smash has always used the most recent look for characters >Shat at Nintendo using Other M renders in promotion, when it doesn't fucking matter at all >Cried when they realized NLG choose Luigi Mansion 2 over Metroid, then swapped attitude when they went back to metroid >Shat on Tropical Freeze when it was revealed because it wasn't Metroid >Shat on Pikmin 4 because it wasn't Metroid >Crying over lack of anniversaries when A)They don't matter, and B)Much larger and popular franchises didn't get anniversaries either >Pretend Metroid is Nintendo's 4th main franchise, and cry when ever Nintendo doesn't (rightfully) agree
>>323334536 >They had a playable build. Look it up. Nice source there, pal. Or should I say, lies?
>For a shitty filler game it took them a lot of time. You haven't even played it, so you don't know how big the game is, also if you believe they've been working for three years on this game you're not thinking right.
>>323353269 >Shitty AAA games don't sell because they keep the gameplay hidden. Yeah, they kinda do. TV ads and even lots of trailers have little/no gameplay, and that is the vast majority of what the public sees. This is done intentionally, because live-action, pseudo-CG trailers/ads can be whatever they want them to be. Look at the ads for Destiny, Witcher III, Call of Duty, etc. Lots of live-action stuff, little/no actual gameplay because that live action, movie-like ad is more appealing and grabs more people's attention.
What do you think would have happened if Square had shown us FF7 gameplay at E3? Would it have had the same reception? When you don't give your customers any information, there's nothing for them to pick apart or react to negatively. This is, again, done intentionally, it's all about marketing and creating hype.
>>323353505 >How would you know its awful if you hadn't seen it? That's the fucking point, you were able to form that opinion because THEY SHOWED US GAMEPLAY. Or maybe it's because you can tell they're going to be awful by just looking at the title, your
>And, by that same logic, no one gives a flying fuck about your game without gameplay either, because there's no information there I like how you missed my second point, like >>323353269 said, games announced on E3 aren't released immediately after the event is over, there's months ahead before the game gets released and in that time the games that only got only a trailer or a teaser in E3 get gameplay footage and like I said here >>323352748 other conferences showed gameplay of the games they are working on so I don't know why you think the other conferences were bad because they didn't show footage when we know that they did
>>323354575 Nier had gameplay shown at E3 though, there was enough actual game footage to form a baseline opinion. No one of the offenders.
>a good announcement gives you something to look forward to. A shitty announcement gives you something to avoid. Both of these are better than neither at all, when it's just a trailer there's nothing there to form an opinion on. That's bad, customers should be as informed as possible and if response is negative it gives the developer more time to consider that feedback and respond. Being uninformed is always worse than being informed, regardless of whether or not its positive or negative.
>>323353798 Metroid is my favorite series, but I don't know how people can get so defensive about stuff like that. I mean, Federation Force looks like a fun spin off and it certainly doesn't deserve all those dislikes at all.
>>323355631 >looks And that's your problem, man. I can say that the second level they showed is fast and looks pretty fun (which it does) but until I say, "this game plays bad", then it wouldn't matter.
>>323355305 >People like to watch E3 for the big announcements. And that's stupid, we can get big announcements anytime, anywhere. E3 has a huge showroom for playable demos. It's an expo, not just a press conference. Show us gameplay, give us insight from developers/designers. There's simply nothing of value in a trailer if there's no gameplay unless you're a publisher trying to market your game to idiots.
>>323356130 >But E3 historically has also been a place for huge announcements. And showing gameplay and having lots and lots of playable demos for unreleased games. Showing only a CG trailer does nothing but benefit publishers. No gameplay to be criticized, nothing but "OMG HYPE HYPE HYPE" from customers who will then run out and preorder before seeing gameplay at all. Publishers make more money and sell more games when customers are not informed before release. That's why they enforce review embargoes so strictly and why they push for preorders and season passes so much. Get people to buy without being informed, before the product is even available. It's more a problem with AAA pubs and the AAA model in general.
>Point being if a company as big as Nintendo reveals NOTHING at E3 They revealed several new games though. And at this point, it's almost impossible to keep everything under wraps until E3, regardless of who you are. Shit gets leaked all the time now, everyone has a smartphone.
>>323356797 All I needed to see was the title though, right? The last two Wicther games were shallow, narrative-focused garbage with the most boring, repetitive combat this side of Skyrim. I could just immediately tell it was going to be bad without looking at any actual game footage.
>>323356767 >They revealed several new games though >Amiibo animal crossing shit >woop woop skylanders fuckery >no more zelda footage/gameplay >Federation Force >loads of woolly world which we've already fucking seen so much of
Can't even remember anything else other than Starfox Zero, which was a big announcement but didn't look that great.
>>323357554 Star Fox, Paper Jam, Triforce Heroes, Happy Home Designer, Hyrule Warriors 3DS and whatever you mentioned. Chibi Robo might have had its western reveal there too in addition to some other smaller games. They announced plenty of new games, and all of it is out now or will be coming out shortly. Aside from Amiibo shitfest, what exactly is wrong with all these games, amiibo excluded? They're "filler" because you don't want them?
We got Splatoon, Yoshi, Kirby, Xenoblade, Mario Maker, Mario Tennis, Amiibo Shitfest and a few other games this year and all the shit on 3DS, how was that not at least a half-decent release schedule for a single publisher supporting two platforms on their own? If your response is "I don't like those games/they're shit//they're filler" then please don't bother. It's fine to not like the games, but that doesn't make them shit aside from the amiibo board game.
They gave us their >Prease Understandu shit for years, people told them to fuck off and show us what's coming so they did. E3 2015 was that response, they specifically stated their focus was on 2015/early 2016 games, not stuff we wouldn't see for a while.
You can't just look at the title and say >Oh it's shit You need to play it or a least watch some gameplay. I didn't like Witcher games that much and I did find them shallow but that doesn't mean they're shit.
>>323361439 CoD is at least well-made and runs/ran at 60fps on consoles. It's also still got splitscreen when even fucking Halo has dropped it. It's sad when Cod isn't the worst shit out there anymore.
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