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Why aren't more RPG games like this? Why is every other variation on the genre a generic D&D template rather than a focus on fun and exploration like Ocarina of Time?
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>OoT is an RPG
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>>323300212
>more RPG games

Are you implying that The Legend of Zelda is an RPG?

Because it isn't. Neither by Japanese standards or Western standards.
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Ocarina of Time isn't an RPG anonnnnnnnnn
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have you played conker's bad fur day?

i think the main reason that there aren't more games like oot is that it's boring. i've started the game over 20 times but have never been able to finish. i just don't have the autismal focus that little kids have anymore.
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>RPG
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>>323300467
Its a game where you play the role of an adventurer who is the hero collects items and upgrades health and magic and fights bosses and monsters. What's the problem?
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>>323300653
>>323300509
What genre is it then geniouses? The only game I can think of that comes close is Beyond Good and Evil
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>>323300656
The mechanics used to do all of that make it an action adventure game
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>>323300740
They're both action adventure
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>>323300563
What makes Oot boring? It has the perfect balance of openness and linearity.
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>>323300212
>OoT
>RPG
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>>323300653
>Zelda games aren't RPGs
>Pokemon games aren't RPGs
>implying
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>>323300808
>>323300780
But the combat pales in comparison to action games like Devil May Cry, it's more about the atmosphere and exploration and role playing.
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>>323300926
>Zelda and pokemon play the same
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>>323300980
hence the title "action ~adventure~" and not just "action".
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>>323300980
You're not going to redefine a genre with half baked semantics
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>>323300656
Because it simply doesn't meet the criteria of any RPG.

Your point about you assuming the role of an adventurer is void - you play the role of any sort of character in any game, this is a null point.

Collecting items and upgrading health and magic, as well as fighting bosses does not constitute an RPG at all. You upgrade your health, collect weapons and upgrade 'magic' in games like Jak and Daxter, and they aren't RPGs.

RPGs require choice and the implementation of player agency and action - you need to have consequences to those choices that effect the way in which the player can interact within the world. In The Legend of Zelda, you can collect every item, upgrade every stat to its fullest (health and magic) and collect every single item. Even in extremely linear (by most standards) JRPGs like Final Fantasy, there's choices in how your stats are arranged and how you build your character. You can have them specialize in different forms of combat, magic, summoning, etc. You're able to build them in different ways in each playthrough because there are options and agency.

In more complex RPGs like Fallout: New Vegas, for example, the player is able to directly and effectively alter the world through meaningful choices, either in dialogue or in quests. This is a staple of the western RPG.

Zelda is an adventure game.
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>>323301123
>In more complex RPGs like Fallout: New Vegas

pfff
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>>323301410
I was speaking strictly in terms of dialogue and its outcomes, and in that case, yes, it is complex.

It's on the same level as 1 and 2. Just better written.
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>>323301123
>Zelda is an adventure game.

Well thanks for clearing that up. so why aren't there more adventure games like zelda? I just want to explore cool worlds and fight bosses and stuff that ISN'T sandbox garbage or heavy in RPG D&D mechanics like Skyrim series.
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>>323301594
Okami
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>>323300851
i think the story is not interesting enough to keep me playing, and the gameplay just isn't challenging. this happened when i played twighlight princess too. i got pretty far and then just didn't feel like i had a reason to play it anymore.

i think too easy + not interesting story.

the exploration doesn't feel rewarding enough; getting a heart piece or something when you didn't really need it...
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>>323301594
>Skyrim series
>series

>Skyrim
>heavy RPG D&D

Have you ever played D&D? Because Skyrim's mechanics are very little like it.

Play Baldur's Gate or Icewind Dale.

>>323301643
Ditto. Okami sounds like what you're interested in.
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>>323300212
It's not really an RPG, but that's besides the point.

The games are hard to make. Very hard. A mix of exploration, puzzle solving, platforming, open world, horse riding, tons of mechanics, and so on. Only a few games like those were made, but I think all of them are fantastic.

I recommend you look into:
>Beyond Good and Evil
>Okami
>Darksiders

For older Zelda stuff also check 3d game dot heroes or something like that.
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>>323301065
"genre" is a social construct and is basically semantics.

checkmate dipshit.
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>>323301643
>>323301915
Already played okami. What I mean by typical D&D is the typical 'classes' like mage, ranger, swordsman etc and useless inventory garbage and overly granular design of stats, etc. Pointless things that are staples of typical RPGS but are actually not fun and detract from the atmosphere and fun. A lot of these things subverted in Ocarina of Time is part of why its such a well designed game
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>>323302324
Because it's not an RPG. It's an action adventure game, jeez man.
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This is a shitty bait thread so let's have a more interesting question. What's everyone's favourite music track in this game?
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>>323302324
Skyrim doesn't have classes
Every character is a jack-of-all-trades
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>>323302150
I didn't like Darksiders, it was a generic combination of Zelda and God of War with a WoW art style. It was bland as fuck and the combat was too spongey. Bad game. The only redeemable thing about it was the boss fights.
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>>323302324
And if you're going to deconstruct something, it requires more substance than "you play the role of the controlled character"
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>>323302528
Call me boring but the Hyrule Field theme is just perfection to me
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>>323300212
>a focus on fun and exploration
People will give me shit for saying this
but that's basically what the Souls (and BB) games are like. It's not about the "difficulty" and I wish they'd stop marketing that aspect of it so hard.
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>>323302580
For >>323302163
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>>323302324
It sounds like you just don't like RPGs
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>>323302580
>>323302696
lmao do you actually think you can compare to me bro? i will devastate you with an argument the likes of which you've never seen. this sounds trollish but i am not trolling. don't get on my bad side.
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>>323302150
I have the PC version of BGE and its really glitchy. Should I try and emulate it instead?
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>>323302691
This, I remember when Souls games were new and my friends asked me what they were like and I compared it to Zelda and people thought I was ridiculous for that comparison but really, they are SO similar.
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>>323300656
Call of duty confirmed as an rpg. You play the role of a soldier.
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>>323302691
>>323302886
I kind of agree with this, mainly because starting class doesn't mean as much as the equipment you get. However, OP has complained about stat building as well, which is an integral part of Souls so I don't think it's up his alley.
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>>323300212
>being this new

OOT is the disneyland themepark downfall of zelda, complete with talking anthropomorphic nags that tell you what you should be doing every minute.

OOT is a series of interlocking keys and you walk around with your keyring.

If you have any taste in videogames zelda 1 is the best zelda, theres no debate. Zelda 1 is about the moment to moment thrill of combat, discovering real secrets that aren't blatantly obvious keyholes. I bet 98% of /v/ hasn't even completed the first quest.
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>>323302746
I love RPGS and have played more than enough of them. Deus Ex 1 and Mass Effect 1 are my favourite RPGs and do the genre justice. I just want more fun explore/atmosphere games like Zelda that aren't Zelda to play but it seems like they just don't exist. Darksiders is basically a God of War clone with a Zelda structure but it lacks the atmosphere and world building aspects of Zelda.I don't like Okami's art style so I didn't bother with it.
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>>323302528
Windmill theme, easily.
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>>323303193
We'll have you played any Souls games before? You should try out Dark Souls 1 if you haven't already, I can't guarantee its what you're looking for, but I think you will enjoy it. Yes it is pretty difficult your first time, but having patience makes it easy mode.
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>>323302528
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o6nJysVtCrM
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>>323300212
Zelda games are action/adventure games, redditor

And no, role playing doesn't make an RPG. An RPG needs to have stats to be considered an RPG. And it has to be the main gameplay mechanic, not a small one
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>>323303189
Zelda 1 has a really good core experience, but OoT contributes on top of it as it makes the best use of 3D by giving off a cinematic atmosphere that's hard to describe. A lot of games try to be like movies but Ocarina actually feels so real compared to bullshit 'cinematic' games like The Last Of Us. I don't know why But it's called a masterpiece for a reason.
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>>323302806
Worked fine for me. There was one graphical glitch where you need to disable something. If emulation is better do it.

>>323302572
I dunno, I really liked it. At first it was kinda cheap and shitty, but then in an hour or so, after you are done with the bland grey city area, it becomes pretty good.
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>>323303442
>>323302691
>It's not about the "difficulty"
Yes it very much is.
I didn't like it. Played Dark souls a few times but it focuses too much on punishing the player above all else. Overpowered enemies are the name of the game game, slow combat and movement with too many 'gotchas' with encounters, i.e. trial and error bullshit. It's not an adventure game at all. What little exploration there is, it's very glib surface-level at best.
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>>323303640
>ARPG
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>>323300212

>gigantic open field full of fucking nothing

yeah no thanks
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>>323303189
If methodically bombing every part of a wall to see if there's something behind it is a 'real' secret, then there's an obvious reason games don't do that.

The reason the later Zeldas are fun is that you first enter the world without all that shit, and you wonder when you'll get the item you need, and in some cases what the fuck it might be which will help you in that particular place. Then later you realise there's an opportunity and rush back eager to discover what you've been waiting for. Which is a totally brilliant design feature until you get to the chest and it's 20 rupees or a quarter of a redundant health upgrade.
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>>323304121
Ehhh I'd have to disagree and I really don't see how you can call the exploration surface level if you haven't played much of it, how far did you make it before quitting?
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>>323300212
Did you ever play Soul Reaver on PS1? That was all exploring with skill upgrades, although it was probably too ambitious for the tech to handle.
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>>323304373
Still better than procedurally generated open worlds like Skyrim where nothing happens.
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What other adventure games let you whip out an instrument and play music?
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>>323305020
Monster Hunter
DK64
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>>323302528
I know you're fishing for Eh Reh, but it's either Forest Temple or Water Temple.
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>>323301594
Play Dark Souls. Also elder scrolls is boring as fuck.
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>>323305146
Monster Hunter isn't an adventure game rrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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>>323305020
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>>323304198
What are you trying to say?
ARPG like Dark Souls? That has stats and RPG elements are a big part of it
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>>323300212
Have you considered that the genre for you might actually be 3D platformers? Not Mario Galaxy style ones but large hubs like Jak and Daxter 1 or Sly Cooper 2.
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>>323305146
Nayzer of these games are adventure games though
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>>323304121
There's a lot to explore if anything it reminds me of the first 2 zeldas on the NES. I agree it can be a bit punishing at times but there are a lot of mechanics that can leverage the difficulty like summoning, and how you level up.
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>>323305275
>this salty
>he wasn't even replying to your post

You're fucking bitter af dude get off the internet
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What was the hardest temple in the series?
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>>323305652
Sorry anon my mistake I'll try and delete the post..
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>>323305917
More like tedious. The temple flip thing quickly becomes worse than iron boots ever were, and they didn't even try to fix it in MM3D.
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>>323304121
Try unlocked combat, run past enemies, pay more attention (you are adventuring after all), etc. Also Bloodborne is way faster.
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>>323305917
Earth Temple in WW. Not because of its difficulty but because you always get lost in the gigantic dungeon

I hate dungeons in Zelda games
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>>323304121
git gud
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>>323305917
Hardest as in because of a design oversight, or hardest intentionally? Former is OoT's Water Temple for sure but I'd say the spinner temple in Twilight Princess is the hardest proper dungeon.
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>>323305973
>apologizing anonymously on 4chan
Holy shit dude this place is garbage go make some real friends
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>>323306275
I don't have any.
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Are the Witcher games worth playing? Which in the series is considered the closest comparison to Ocarina Of Time?
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>>323306072
Zelda games are really the only games that actually do dungeons as a concept though
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>>323305917
STT was pretty tedious with the flipping but I still enjoyed it a lot

Water Temple isn't bad if you don't forget that key under the platform in the central room

I always hated the sky temple in TP though
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>>323303570
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbYWbFHC-B8&spfreload=10
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>>323306631
They're not even close to the same game.
It really depends on your taste in WRPGs. The first one is pretty grating.
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>>323306828
The first and second are the only ones worth playing.
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>>323300381
>>323300467
>>323300509
>>323300653
>>323300808
>>323300854
Neo /v/ fuck off. You were in your father's balls when this was released, and the media said it was a RPG

PERIOD
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>>323307892
>the media said
I see many (You)s in your future
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>>323307892
source?
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>>32330789
>responding to OBVIOUS bait
come on guy, they are just trying to piss you off,
and clearly they won.

You have to be a fool to take anything here seriously...
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>>323300212
dark souls is pretty much a carbon copy with 1000% more edge and shit dungeons in return
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You will always find this in any /v/ thread that dips anywhere near game discovery:

>Oh, you (verb) this (anything game related)?
>Play Dark Souls!

Don't like Dark Souls

>lol you must suck
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>>323308460
This.
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>>323307892
>Neo /v/
If you joined /v/ at any point after ~2010 and/or started playing video games around gen 6 (or - god help you - later), you are "neo-/v/".
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>>323307892
>the media said it was a RPG
It also said Skyrim was great.
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>>323307892
Gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8
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>>323302528
Saria's Song.
It's just light catchy and energizing. It makes you want to go exploring. For what? Who cares! Lets just frolic! The song perfectly captures the feeling of a fairytale adventure.
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>>323300212
soul reaver series
and their are many games similar to 2d zelda
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>>323304121
>hates all RPGs unless they're actually shooters
>hates even minor challenges
>dismissed games based on artstyle alone

OP doesn't deserve to play video games.
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>>323312587
>what are refined tastes

Just kidding. I don't know what to tell you anon but I'm actually interested in getting Dragons Dogma when it comes to PC
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