Twist is fucking great. Gives a symbolic meaning to everything you have been doing and how you have been progressing in the game as a player.
The actual plot of MGSV is super underwhelming, so the twist gives it this sort of cool meaning by saying "Hey man the revenge shit wasn't really the point the point is that you are Big Boss and look at all the amazing shit you accomplished playing through this game."
If the twist didn't exist and was legitmately about Big Boss and how this was about him "turning bad" (which it isn't thankfully) it would have fucking sucked. Instead we get to see him do the most fucking Metal Gear Villian thing ever, not even be in the fucking game.
>>323288373 Really the MGS series should've ended at 3, but with V they should have given us what was advertised - a character story of how BB became that cartoonishly evil villain in MG 1+2. Best case scenario for me would've been the game finishing at the start of MG 1. The open world ruined it too. I would've preferred a linear game that was shorter but not repetitive.
People seriously need to stop taking Metal Gear canon so seriously, it's not about the canon, it's about the themes.
Seriously people, you are taking the canon seriously in a series that has shit like- >Press the X button to stand up! >INFINITE AMMO! >Venom Snake literally starting Metal Gear 1 by putting it in an MSX player.
It's nonsense, but it's nonsense with a heart. There is constant fourth wall breaks and self-aware parody. Stop caring about the actual plot so much, and instead focus on what the theme and meaning is.
I mean for fuck's sake this is basically what MGS2 is all about, you shouldn't obsess over words so much, find the meaning behind the words.
No I thought it was remarkably stupid and didn't fit tonally with the game(which was a bit more serious and grounded compared to other recent MGS entries, like Peace Walker and MGS4), it felt like there was a twist just for the sake of there being a twist. Still my second favorite game of 2015.
>>323288736 >about Big Boss and how this was about him "turning bad" (which it isn't thankfully) >Twist is fucking great >we get to see him do the most fucking Metal Gear Villian thing ever, not even be in the fucking game What is wrong with you
>>323288373 It was great because it showed that BB was even more devious than some edgy, child killer. >The way BB and Ocelot saw the staff of the Cypriot hospital as mere shields. >Hijacking a man's entire identity and brainwashing him to become a body double/diversion while BB fucks off to Zanzibarland.
One simple thing. The scene where Big Boss falls into a coma along with Kaz was shown multiple times and in none of them he had the horn stuck in his head. It was 100% confirmed then and there that Venom wasn't Big Boss.
>>323290445 Yes. Because it's essentially Star Wars Episode 3 without the cringey dialogue. Love or hate EP 3, the reason it WASN'T hated was because it actually showed Anakin falling to the dark side and getting his shit all fucked up at the end.
Let's say Hideo wrote Episode 3. Anakin wouldn't have actually gotten toasty at the end of it. It would have been a clone who somehow switched places with Anakin when no one was looking.
Notice how retarded that sounds? Of course you don't, because you want to sacrifice good writing for MUH TWEEST. Fuck off.
>>323290728 Have you even played other Metal Gear games?
All the villians usually have reasons for acting the way they do, if there is a common thread between them it's that they are often have reasons for acting the way they do. They have a "for the greater good" mentality.
I'm sorry you didn't get your ebin Breaking Bad downfall in MGSV, and I'm sorry that a MGS game misdirected and manipulated you in its marketing MGS3 babby.
>>323291141 >10k/month I know you have no sources, just wanted to tell you that Japan is extremely racist towards pretty much everyone. They pay shit to foreigners, and Joosten is not even a model, just a girl who appears in ads and restaurant menus.
>>323291046 That....didn't directly address my argument at all. What does that have to even do with what we're talking about? What difference does it make WHY they're doing what they're doing? Are you fucking autistic?
And sorry, but I've been playing Metal Gear Solid since MGS 1. Maybe it's you who needs to go back and replay the older games? Your presumptions are really none of my concern faggot.
So who sent the jet that quiet shot? They always go on about it being cypher but then later you find out cypher have like nothing todo with anything and wouldnt have tried to kill big boss after saving him. And I very much doubt xof have jets. Even if they did they would have sent more after the first ones were shot down.
>>323291306 Because MGSV is not at all Episode 3 like you think.
Replay MGS3 and MGSPW and realize that Big Boss was already far gone, he lost faith in his country by the end of 3, and by the end of PW he lets go of the boss as an idol.
By the start of MGSV Big Boss is already a man who will do anything to further his goals, which he then goes on to do, he is just like Zero now. MGSV is not about the downfall of Big Boss because there is nothing to fall from for him.
It was ill-conceived and badly executed. I can see what Kojimas reasoning behind it was and I get where he was going with it but it didn't work out.
It might have been better if Venum Snake had some actual characterization and if his story was emotionally involving in its own right but seeing how it wasn't the game would have been considerably better if it actually was about Big Boss feud with zero and his consequential descent into megalomania.
>>323292162 >It might have been better if Venum Snake had some actual characterization and if his story was emotionally involving in its own right but seeing how it wasn't the game would have been considerably better if it actually was about Big Boss feud with zero and his consequential descent into megalomania.
The problem with Venom snake is that he's somewhere half between a player avatar and being his own character.
If Kojima really wanted the MGSV twist to make sense he would have given the player dialogue choices as Venom Snake.
>>323293114 It would have been fine if he just was a likeable character in his own right. Maybe even better. If I grew to like him over the course of the game I might have felt for him when it was revealed to him that he was just a decoy.
As of now he just seems like some guy who doesn't care much for what is happening to him and if he doesn't, why should I?
>>323288736 >it would have fucking sucked Because? Would the overarching plot finally make some sense? Would it have meant actually letting the player control a character who is unquestionably on the wrong end of the moral spectrum? Would the image of your husbando have been tainted, Mr. Kojima? Your entire argument is "It was good because SYMBOLISM". But if you'd stop sampling the smell of your own farts, you'd realize just because something is an interesting idea doesn't mean it's any fun to play.
I would have loved to actually have a venom vs snake fight, a fight not scripted, but instead against an enemy that bests me in every single way no matter what I do, then dying a soldiers death. That would have left me satisfied.
>series where characters can run on water with nanomachines >series where characters have their entire bodies replaced with artificial bodies >he thinks people care if some villain returns partially as a cyborg in a game of the series that 99% of the fans didn't even play and only read about it
When people started talking about the Medic in the chopper, I went and studied every video with him in it. When I spotted that he sacrificed himself for Big Boss, I praised the man as a goddamn hero. "History will never remember what he did", I told people.
So when I discovered that not only did that brave son of a bitch survive, but got awarded the highest possible honour and was even the main character of MGSV?
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