KOTOR I&II

Carth: I don't want to talk about it.

does anyone even bring him along after taris?

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>>323281291

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>[Something seems to be bothering Carth. Maybe you should inform him it's REAL NIGGA HOURS ALL DAY HELL YEA]

>>323281334
I did, but only because I wanted to get to the bottom of his shit and find out why he hates trusting people so much.

>>323281334
I always went strike team jedi. No unclean blaster jockeys in my party.

>>323281362
>fortykeks.jpeg

>>323281518
>not taking Canderous and HK-47 with you at all times to fuck people up

>>323281934
Next playthrough I will. KotOR II is sometimes use Bao-Dur though. He's not bad.
>pinky promise

>>323282265
*I'll sometimes use, rather.

>>323282265
Right now my KOTOR II party is Atton and HK-47.

Who is best waifu, and why is it Bastilla?

>>323282639
>ywn get to pound Bastila's young padawan pussy

>>323282580
I made the mistake of completely neglecting Atton and getting jammed up by those assassins once. Never again.

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>>323282639
>>323282987

She looks good, but that's about the only positive thing you can say about her.

>>323281195
Give him a break dude. His wife and son get killed by Sith.

>>323281334
I mix up parties so I use everybody at least once after Taris

>>323282580
redundant desu

>>323285938
*His wife gets killed by the Sith and his son becomes a Sith Apprentice

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mission is cool as shit

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Best armor in the series

why can't we fuck mission
so what if she's 14, that's probably legal in terms of twileks, check your privilege

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>>323287003

I really wish that the first KOTOR game allowed you to corrupt your companions and turn them to the dark side, like KOTOR 2 did.

>>323281934
KOTOR II doesn't feel right to me if I don't bring along my Jedi niggas for triple Jedi action.

>Tfw Atton uses Stasis and Visas keeps the enemies busy while Exile flings Storm round

>>323287368
>dat subtle cameltoe on mission

or maybe my monitor is dirty

>>323287281
>Tfw cannot tap Mira's amazing ass

Fuck, that outfit of hers is so form-fitting.

>>323287156
Striking this pose seems like it'd be a pain in the ass to uncross his arms without cutting an arm off.

>>323287645
or he could just switch off the lightsabers

MANDOLORIAN ARMOR 2 STRONK

Do you think Mission and the wookie cuddle at night?

>>323287404
Go consular then master. Force wave to storm and the room is cleared.

Kotor III, when?

>>323288371
You got mass effect instead

>>323288397
;_;

>>323288397
lel

>>323288397
do you mean TOR

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>>323288371

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-07-31-fear-is-the-path-to-the-dark-side

"The entire second game is littered with clues as to 'why didn't Revan destroy the infrastructure here? What was he trying to make sure was still intact? What did he/she see that no one else saw?' I thought that was giving a nice nod to 'wait a minute, Revan realises there's an even larger force at work here, and he's focusing his efforts on that and keeping the big picture in mind'. That was one thing - the idea that there was a larger, global conspiracy."

That third game would cast you as "the Exile" and allow you to track Revan's path. "Whether you encounter him or not..." he pauses, wary of spoilers in case the game ever happens in the future. "The idea was that even before the 'modern day' Sith came into being in The Old Republic ... there were even more distant Sith Lords that were considered the true Sith, and the idea that they were still lurking out there in the galaxy waiting for a chance to strike, kind of like the Shadows in Babylon 5, I thought would be a cool finale for that Old Republic trilogy.

"Part of the fun with designing them," he adds, "was if you have these incredibly powerful Force users and they have their whole hidden domain out in the distant reaches of the galaxy, what would that Sith empire really look like at the hands of these things?

"If they could shape entire planets or galaxies or nebulas, and they had all these slave races at their disposal, how cool would that be, to go into the heart of darkness and you're the lone Jedi and/or new version of the Sith confronting these guys? What would that be like? I thought that would be pretty epic."

>>323281334
I pump him full of dexterity and give him master power blast and he carries me through Dantooine. After that though not really.

>>323288563
I always wanted to see what Revan was chasing for KOTOR 3. In Korriban I'm sure it was said in some holocron that he had left to pursue an unknown/unseen threat?

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>>323284703
>lightsaber wounds
>blood
this triggers my autism

>try to restrict myself to using LS powers only
>fights get tedious
>fuck it force storm

>>323288828
He was trying to stop TOR from destroying his part of the star wars universe and was twisted and corrupted

>>323288950
yes, yes, let the power and darkness run through your veins
you don't choose the dark side, the dark side chooses you

>>323288828
REAPERS

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>>323288887
There was blood in A New Hope

>>323288950
Why not force wind?

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>TFW NO WAY TO FUCKING SKIP MANAAN

just finished Shadow of Revan in SWTOR, what the fuck, they really raped the fucking corpse of KOTOR 1 just to make some shitty expansion that is anticlimatic as fuck

>>323289183
it still takes a turn or two more than storm

>>323289167
New Hope isnt canon, Anon.

>>323289125
YO
THATD ACTUALLY BE RAD
SPACE IS BIG
IMAGINE if they existed in the same universe just insanely far away that even throughout the hundreds of thousands of years they never made contact and the only constant was the looming threat of reapers but they chose the Mass effect sector because it was more malleable to their needs
in retrospect it sounds dumb but im sure theres some fanfic out there thats gone autistically indepth in pointing out similarities

>>323288887
you know a lightsaber probably doesn't 100% cauterise a wound right? and even then burnt skin can crack and weep and if its not an artery it'll still piss blood

>>323281195

Seriously fuck you Carth ! If you have something to say then just SAY IT or leave me alone you little bitch.

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>>323288950
good.... good

>>323281334
I took him everywhere, gave him some op mando pistols and he melted through enemies
Also Carth best companion and best bro

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>>323290502
this
>mfw the Lunch Credits line on Korriban

>>323290742
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK34XTokgYY

>>323281334
He's pretty useful for taking down the mandalorians, but outside that everyone outshines him

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>>323289284
>walk through the door of customs
>unskippable selkath dialogue
>camera spazzes out
>walk back
>unskippable dialogue again
>have to do it all again

>>323288563
are there any other scifi series in general that have something close to this story wise?

>people never take G0-T0 off the ship and never realize just how great he is
Always remember to take your droids out for the occasional walk.

>>323289284
why would you want to, shit's great

>>323292664
what's so good about him? I hate him

>>323293657
le epic tweest

What's the name of the White/Grey Jedi Robe that you use with a silver lightsaber to make Jedi Exile Jesus?


Also why won't HK-47 do anything when I run into a group of HK-50 droids? He won't mention it when I talk to him after.

>>323294247
Did you skip Peragus?

Carth is better if you play as a female. I turned on a romance Bastila as a female mod and was actually surprised at how different Carth is cause I'd only played as a male Revan prior to this. Instead of just whining on Taris about how he can't trust you he spends a good portion just flirting and fooling around with you. It really improves Taris as a world.

>all these threads lately about KOTOR

this is nice.

>>323294247
>Also why won't HK-47 do anything when I run into a group of HK-50 droids?
His self-preservation protocols don't distinguish between them and him.

>>323292596

Babylon 5, sort of, which Avellone mentioned in that interview. It's got dated visuals, but holy fuck the series is absolutely amazing.

>>323293846
What the fuck was up with that cutscene where GOTO kills remote on the ebon hawk, then if you run over remotes chillin next to Bao-Dur and everyone arts like nothing happened

>>323293657
Everyone hates him because of how he bullies his way onto your ship and thinks he's the boss instead of sucking your dick like the rest of the crew.
However he does have a lot of amusing dialogue whenever a chat with an NPC involves a lot of credits. Imagine a fully darkside lawyer/accountant trying to haggle.

>>323294851
I just wish his abilities were more useful and he actually talked to you using the hologram.

>>323294851
Does anybody really suck your dick other than Atton if you're female and the Disciple?

I hate him because yeah, he bullies his way onto your ship and yet there's no option to kick him off, his abilities are shit and he has no real reason for being on your ship at all.

>>323294473
Yeah I've been enjoying these myself. I used to mod the game a bit so I've been replaying with mods on. Finally went and did that giant mod Brotherhood of Shadow and Solomon's Revenge that together add about 8 hours of content to the original game. Also went and fixed Juhani's looks and was gonna add in the make Mission, Canderous, and Carth into Jedi mods but decided to reserve that for a second playthrough. Even put in a mod to change Bastila's Jedi Robes to look more like different colors of her unique clothing outfit then I edited the appearance file so all the female Jedi wore Bastila's Robes as well.

>>323295020
Pretty much everyone really. Kreia sees you as the most precious thing in the universe, despite her mentor ramblings. Visas, my life for yours. Handmaiden is for some reason obsessed with either redeeming or following you, almost completely forgetting about Atris. The droids are programmed to think you their master and obey and Bao-Dur glued himself to you as soon as he spotted his beloved General. Mira... yeah, why the fuck does Mira tag along?

>>323292596
Galactic Civilizations has the Dread Lords.

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>>323294851
I also think he has one of the best backstories of any of the companions in kotor.
He's pretty unique as a character, got a pretty cool design and has pretty great dialogue that is well acted.

I do agree that he's fairly useless gameplay-wise, but I would chalk that up to the fact that kotor 2 never actually was finished properly.

>>323295501
>he's fairly useless gameplay-wise
Maybe that's a result of the early decision to cut the droid planet and roll what they already had for it into Goto's yacht. Meaning that the one place where you could use him is what you need to beat to get him.

I couldn't finish it. I just finished the jedi training planet and got really bored. Back to XCOM.

>>323295501
Get the Restoration Mod, son. Makes it a whole new game.

>>323289284
>mfw no way to skip through the underwater walks.
Seriously the walk cycle is so tediously slow
https://youtu.be/KlbobtUw-1o?t=112

>>323289384
Shut up, Meg.

>>323294851
Everyone hates him because he's the worst party member bar none

>>323294247
Nomi's Robe

Guys what stats should I put in my character in KOTOR 2 if I want a consular jedi with one handed lihgtsaber ? A mix between force powers/melee

>>323300170
prioritize
>Wis
>STR
>CHA
>CON
>DEX
>INT
Go Consular to Weapon Master, pick up Force Speed and lightning as quick as possible regardless of alignment.

By Mid-Late game your lower attributes will even out via items/powers

>>323300489
is int that useless ?

I never realized how good this scene was.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DS-p_UMaQg

>>323294730
He doesn't blow it up, he disables it briefly so he can install on contingency program. He mentions that on Malachor V.

>>323300170
Wisdom and charisma play equal part in most force powers so prioritize those. Normally dexterity determines chance to dodge and strength determines chance to hit and damage but with lightsaber finesse dexterity will determine all 3 so prioritize it next and take the finesse perks when you can. Once you do that strength is worthless and you don't need much int or con as a consular. Make sure to get force speed and I'd recommend battle meditation too then heal/drain life and force lightning.

>>323300804
Consulars get like 4 skills and persuasion isn't that useful since you can get dominate mind power treat injury is pretty useless since force heal uses charisma and wisdom. So you're left with awareness and repair unless you want to use a perk to make another skill not cross class like maybe security.

>>323302060
Dexterity doesn't determine damage with finesse, just accuracy. But at higher levels strength is worthless because it's a comparatively small bonus relative to two fully upgraded lightsabers and buffs.

>>323301375
Oh shit, that's when he did that.

>>323300804
While 2 did a much better job in making skills viable (except persuade, which ironically enough was the best skill in 1 bar treat injury), there are very few times when you can't palm it off onto a companion.

>>323296215
The restoration mod doesn't really fix anything major anon. No matter how you slice it, kotor 2 is missing its third act.

>>323304283
Yeah, but it really does make it feel that extra bit more complete.

>>323304519
We have different definitions of the concept of "complete" then.

>>323302998
can't believe I never noticed that on my last playthrough but I think you're right that lightsaber must matter more because I had no trouble soloing a lot of areas.

How come balista's face in the boxart is different ingame?

>>323289284
the fucking deep sea part is 2spooky for me
i knew the background sharks wont come to eat me but i still got paranoid

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>>323288828

Him. Revan found the Sith Emperor in Dromund Kaas.

>>323300489
Am i the only one that runs Sentinel INT Jedi?
max all skills except stealth, there's so much stuff you can miss out on in the start cause of the lack of versatile companions.

>>323304283

KOTOR2 was intended to be the prelude for KOTOR3 as Halo 2 was to Halo 3.

>beginning of the game
>Atton says Kreia is sexy
>no dialogue option for "wanna run a train on her bro?"

>>323305634
My last playthrough was int sentinel actually. Stealth turned out to be super fun and useful but it just doesn't work well with a party of 3. Being able to do everything on my own was pretty fun though.

>>323305995
Which still doesn't negate its own narrative is incomplete.
As much as I love kotor 2, it simply doesn't have a coherent story. It builds up a lot of of hooks and setups, but all of them are either hastily concluded on or not touched upon at all. The restoration mod gives a glimpse of what it was meant to be, but thinking that it's in any way a representation of what it was supposed to be is insulting.

>>323306190
Exactly, there's a lot of segments where you on your own, and all that hacking/lockpicking experience adds up.

>>323306984
>Which still doesn't negate its own narrative is incomplete.


No it's not. The whole game is about who the exile is, why she lost the connection with the force, find the hidding Jedis and put an end to the 3 sith lords chasing you.

In the final arc of KOTOR3 you complete all of the objectives of the game and, after that, Kreia tells you to go search Revan or Stay in the Malachor V academy waiting for more force sentient people to teach them.

>>323306984
It's funny how K2 is unfinished as fuck, yet it still manages to be one of the greatest WRPGs.

>want to become prestige class
>get very close to being dark
>fuck fuck, have to go neutral for mira
>alright here we go again
>brianna about to stop talking to me because visas
>have to go blacktracking around to get her some influence
>now half good
>About to push on, need like 5 more to hit jedi
>all my companions left are dark as shit

>>323305593

>one spooky boogey man was not enough
>lets make another with no backstory but more powerful than anyone could imagine!

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>>323307693
>>lets make another with no backstory but more powerful than anyone could imagine!


>No backstory
>A book, hints in KOTOR1 and KOTOR2, the whole SWTOR Jedi Knight story and 2 Swtor expansions just to know more about him

If you don't know about Emperor Vitiate/Valkorion it's your own fault.

I used the bald chink in kotor
I used Jesus in kotor 2

>>323307351
>he whole game is about who the exile is, why she lost the connection with the force, find the hidding Jedis and put an end to the 3 sith lords chasing you.
And all these things amount 0 fucks in the grand narrative. The mystery of your past basically gets swept under the rug and the confrontation with Kreia and Darth Sion is a complete joke.

A possible sequel that was pretty unfeasible from the get go, doesn't justify the broken narrative of kotor 2.
Take the original trilogy. Empire Strikes Back sets up a ton of shit for RotJ and is basically one giant plot hook for the next film, but manages to be its own amazing narrative with a satisfying climax.

>>323308160
>hints in KOTOR1 and KOTOR2

Please provide source on this

>>323308203

>KOTOR
>rise of the sith
>being stopped by revan
>the mystery of where revan went off to

>Kotor 2
>all the jedi are dead
>You're a lone jedi thats a gaping force vagina
>you try and put back together the jedi order
>or exterminate them
>You are curious about what the hell was up with revan
>you fly off to go find him

The first sequel is always shit if it ends there, since the first in the series is about doing the setting, and the second game is about amping up the conflict for the third.

>>323307398
I think a lot of people praise Obsidian a bit too much. They had a functional system, a ton of assets and an established setting.
They could almost entirely focus on quest design, characters and plot. They couldn't have made kotor 2 without Bioware.
Same deal with New Vegas.

It's not like Obsidian is amazing when they do their own shit.

>>323308569
Yeah but the product itself is top notch even if Obsidian aren't the only ones who should be credited for it.

>>323308569

Obsidian makes a better game whenever they do a sequel. Doesnt appeal to casuals, even if the gameplay is most times easier since you have more options available to minmax.

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VAKLU DID NOTHING WRONG

>>323308482
The game was never intended to be AS open-ended as it was. The fact they were barely able to produce one game makes it stupid to gamble on everything getting fixed in a possible sequel. Kotor 1 worked on its own completely fine before Kotor 2, just as Kotor 2 was intended to be.
Of course it would have had plot hooks for a possible sequel, but they would never have just cut off the actual ending the games own story.

>>323308482

Third game should be able refounding the Jedi/Sith/Custom order as a new character to prepare for the unknown enemy that Revan/Exile were delaying.

At the end of kotor2, most of the trained Force Users are either dead or laying low. Would be cool to actually found an Order yourself for once.

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>>323308376
>KOTOR1: Darth Revan striking the republic strategically to maintain the most important structures
>KOTOR1: "After the mandalorian wars Revan and Malak travelled to the outer rim. We don't know what they found but they returned as Dark Lords of the Sith"
>Mandalore/Canderous saying in KOTOR2 "Revan told me Somebody tricked the Mandalorians to start a war against the Republic so the republic was weakened
>Kreia telling Revan found "something" in the outer rim and he went to fight it.
>A bastila holo in the Sith academy seying the same that Kreia did
>T3 wiping the travel records of the ship so nobody could find "that place" Revan found.


Most of them are in the Restored Content Mod. The KOTOR1 ones are more subbtle.

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>>323308929
Yes, but it's a hell of a lot easier to improve on something that has already been put a lot of effort into it. I would agree that Obsidian's sequels are better, but the fact that a lot of their own original games are shit point to the fact they are best when the heavy-lifting has been done for them, so they can focus on what they do best.
Therefor I think its idiotic to shit on Bioware and Bethesda when speaking of NW and Kotor 2, because those games owe as much to those two companies as they do to Obsidian.

Well anyways, I didn't mean to start shit in a thread this comfortable. It's just a thing that has been bothering me. Sorry.

>>323309636

Alpha protocol is a fine game anon, dont meme

>>323309419
none of that would even suggest at "le emperor"

try harder, TORscrub

>>323309768
This. And that one wasn't on Obsidian. Sega fucked up by demanding changes without giving them room to extend the deadline. That what we got was still this good was amazing.

>>323309768
Well alright, but Alpha Protocol also have its fair share of problems. I don't think it really goes against anything I said.

>>323310130
What a coincidence that any time Obsidian fucks up, there's always a publisher to take the blame. You would have thought they'd have begun to take some counter-measures by now.

>>323310082

Of course not. But it suggested that something powerfull enought to destroy the republic was hidding in the outer rim. And that's what the Sith Empire is.

>>323310472
Really doesn't mean shit with regards to the TORemperor.

If you don't know who he is it means you didn't play shit games.

>>323310082
Not that guy, but even back in the day wasn't it speculated that Revan was conquering the Republic so he could prepare it for a greater threat?
That threat being the True Sith sound pretty plausible to me and I don't know anything about TOR. It's pretty lame and unoriginal, but I think it goes well with what was established in Kotor 1&2.

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>>323307254
>that demolitions experience on G0-T0's yacht

>>323310638

In the same way you don't know how a trilogy ends if you don't see the 3rd part of it.

That's why >>323309419
are called "hints".

>>323308569
>functional system
If anything, Kotor's system is dysfunctional. The mechanics are so fucking broken the game is pretty much a choose-your-own-adventure with combat cutscenes. The balance is completely fucked up and combat tactics break down to spamming your preferred method of attack quickly enough so that you don't autoqueue a normal attack when you switch enemies. Of course that's not to say Obsidian is any good at mechanics design either.
As for the setting, they pretty much tore it a new one. It's more of a deconstruction of Star Wars than a proper Star Wars game like Kotor 1 was.
I'll give you assets and engine though. Still, Kotor 1 had three years of dev time, Kotor 2 barely over a year.

>>323310986
>SWTOR
>relevant
>the end of a trilogy
oi I am laughin

>>323287645
You're aware he can point them forward and up, yes?

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>>323310817
>that one locker in the secret jek jek tar hideout that requires a tunneler

Never played these games. Is KOTOR 1 good or should I start with 2. I have bought them both.

>>323310773

The games were clearly pointing to the True Sith overall.

The problem is that you would have to come up with a functional Dark Side ideology. It's endlessly explained in both kotors that the Dark Side organisations always end up eating each other alive.

So how would a Dark Side organization like the True Sith stay strong and powerful for thousands of years, waiting until it was time to reclaim their old empire?

Would be cool if that was the "mystery" of the third game - how to they do it? What makes them special? As a LS character you'd slowly realize that the "Sith" you've seen in other games are just idiots borrowing the name and as a DS character, you'd be chomping at the bit to get at the "True" Sith teachings.

>>323309419
That's justification for his existence.
It is absolutely no justification for him being the single most obnoxious OC Donut Steele that wormed his way into canon.

>>323311378
Kotor 2 is a sequel not only in name. Start with the original, 2 makes heavy use of the plot of the first game.

>>323311378
Play both. One of 2's strengths is how it deal with some stuff from 1.

>>323311378

You basically must play kotor1 first, otherwise kotor2 will be much more confusing

>>323311378
>asking if you should play the games chronologically

Play KOTOR 1 first, silly.

>>323311563
will do

>>323308160
>>323305593
>>323309419

Are you going to be in every KOTOR thread from now on, shilling about Bioware's shitty MMO?

>>323311170
>I don't like it
>I never played it
>It means it doesn't exist

I'm not defending it, I'm just saying what it is. Of course I prefer a KOTOR3 than SWTOR.

>>323311690
I always wonder about questions like these.
Why would you ever jump on a sequel without experiencing the original first?

>>323311378
While there's enough exposition for you to get the gist of what's happening, it's far more impactful if you've played out the backstory, not to mention the multitude of references and in jokes you'll get.

Also, while 1 is perfectly enjoyable, the gameplay in 2 is flat out better in practically every way, making it difficult to get into into it if you play it after the sequel.

>>323311484
>It is absolutely no justification for him being the single most obnoxious OC Donut Steele that wormed his way into canon.

Indeed.

>>323311843
Saying grass is green is not shilling about grass anon.

>>323312117
Man you get a lot of flak.

Replaying KOTOR after playing 2 with the patch a while back - I would rather listen to Carth bitch and moan than I would spend 1 more second with that unpleasable old cunt Kreia. No matter what decision you make, its wrong. Muh wise old woman. Yeah fuck off.

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>>323312181
>"I like X game"
>"DON'T HAVE FUN WITH GAMES I HATE!!!!!!!!!!"

/v/ in a nutshell.

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>>323312716

>>323281195
Fuck off, Carth, go back to being a cricket man in Storybrook.

>>323309419
and then TOR shits all over Revan

>>323312626
I didn't mind Kreia too much except for the parts where she agrees with some of your decisions about how to deal with the jedi masters but this then causes them to go hostile and eventually results in the "You have failed me" speech.

So aside from the content restoration mod, what mods are vital to get for kotor1?

>>323313880
KOTOR1 doesn't really need any modding because it was released as a finished game. The only thing I'd suggest is the widescreen mod, but it's really finicky to get working properly without breaking something else.

>>323313880
Textures mostly. Theres packs for most things on Nexus. And you'll want the save editor because the restoration mod has a bug with a Jolee cutscene where you need to manually flip a boolean.

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>no fucking rule 34

>>323314137
I mean for additional fluff. Is that Solomon's Revenge thing worth playing?

>>323314187
Yeah, I know about that one.

>>323314605
The restored content mod for KOTOR1 really isn't necessary aside from the Juhani romance because everything else that was cut was because it sucked, not because they didn't have time to work on it. You're running the risk of making your experience worse.

IMO the KOTOR 2 restored mod runs into the same problem because they restored everything without considering if it was any good or not, but at least with that one you get a lot of stuff that was legitimately cut for time.

Solomon's Revenge is pure fanfiction, nothing interesting.

Don't bother with KOTOR 1 mods unless they're graphical. Nothing else is relevant.

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>tfw they didn't even include pazaak in TOR
THE POSSIBILITIES
CANTINAS ARE WORTHLESS OUTSIDE OF RP

>>323315092
>tfw playing Pazaak in the cantina on Courscant in Second Life with a rodian pirate

>>323315084
>You're running the risk of making your experience worse.
I'm still curious though.

>Solomon's Revenge is pure fanfiction, nothing interesting.
It's not even any good?

>>323289384
so ur telling me the battle of yavin isn't canon? lmao ok

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Just got Handmaiden, is it a good idea to save her levels until she becomes a jedi?

>>323289384
Wait, what?

>>323317323
You can build her up however you want, really.
Her wisdom isn't great, but she has a decent Charisma, so It really depends on if you value force powers/points over feats

>>323281195
>Trask died so we can party with this

nigga doesn't even wear the fucking uniform

>>323319073
She's a Guardian anyway, so she'll get plenty of feats with her force powers being reserved for buffs.

>>323284330
>not filling the room with 700 mines and hiding behind the counter

>>323317323

Nah, I turned her into a blender Jedi with only like 12 levels of Guardian. Master Flurry + Master Speed + double-sided saber makes her unstoppable.

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>>323319145

>You'll never be able to have Trask Ulgo in your party

At least you can avenge him

>>323317323
Always, yes. Jedi levels are better than every other kind of level. It's honestly the KotOR games' biggest flaw.

It was especially weird in 1 how both Bastilla and Juhani would end up so much stronger than the Lord High Motherfucker Revan himself.

I plan to play kotor 2 as a sith since I'm playing kotor 1 as a jedi, how fun is being an asshole in kotor 2? Or is the jedi path better?

>>323319551
>not Jesus Revan

>>323319883

Isn't the Jesus protrait only in Kotor 2?

>>323319883
Jedi Jesus is only KOTOR 2

>>323319973
I got them backwards,
>Shaved jesus revan

>>323319850
>how fun is being an asshole in kotor 2?
[Force Persuade] Give me all of your credits and jump into the pit.

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>be consular
>mandalorian camp
>ring battle
>okay jedi lets fight
>here are the rules
>no lightsaber no force powers
>wait you dont have power armor and just use robes?
>TOUGH SHIT

>>323320049
Correct option would be Mullet Man

Man, i spend so much time minmaxing my companions in 2 then basicaly never use them.
I wish there were a mod so i can lug around my entire new jedi order and impose my will on the locals. Or a last stand kind of setup with waves of progressively harder enemies.

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>>323319883
>Failing to meme this badly
The Jesus face is in KOTOR 2, pretty sure the most popular face in 1 is the mullet.

do you think there going to make a another game like this?

>>323313379
People take Kreia at her word far too often given that she lies constantly. Her reaction to how you deal with the Jedi is simply a set up for the final confrontation she's planned for you on Malachor V.

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>>323320221
I loved it that before the fix, you could just stack buffs prior the fight and then slap his shit in a single turn with your bare hands in your underwear.

Holy shit this pic is from 2006 and im pretty sure it was runing on a toaster with an intel celeron

>>323319883
>>323320049
Mullet man, Scarface and Asian Revan are the only acceptable ones

>>323321740
Except that Revan is a girl.

>>323321256
maybe in about 8-9 years, or if EA manages to fuck up the deal somehow, but don't count on it.

Shit though they were, the prequels managed to usher in the golden age of Star Wars vidya, and the Sequels will be long gone by the time EA loses the contract.

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>>323281195
How about Kotor 3?

Last time I tried to play KOTOR I had an issue where I'd switch to a party member, issue them a command, then switch to another one and the command I gave them would be overwritten by whatever the AI felt like doing. Is there an option or a mod that gives your commands priority over all else? It'd make the games way more playable to me.

>>323319340
>not hiding behind the counter and plinking at the two master assassins who suddenly forgot how to maneuver around obstacles
The pathing in this game is truly amazing

Are there any decent KOTOR 1 graphical overhaul mods?

>>323323108
Anon we're all friends here, just tell us what kind of porn mod you want.

>>323309024
VAKLU DID NOTHING WRONG

>>323321786
What, Revan is canonically a man. The exile is canonically a woman if that's what you meant?

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>>323324108
>mfw they probably fucked while Bastila is at home taking care of Revan's kid.

>>323317323
Handmaiden can work well either way, but if you are set on her being a jedi then yes, dont level her til she classes up, this also makes her lil sparring matches way easier. But shes fairly flexible overall.

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>>323324413

Nah, Exile's love for Revan was unrequited.

>>323324108
Who gives a shit about canon? Revan ought to be female, Exile male. I can't be expected to give a shit about Lucas Arts' fucked up backwards canon process.

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>>323325501

>not making Revan and Exile both male

>>323325730
Revan was written as female. KotOR devs said so themselves. Lucas Arts, being completely clueless, just went with the standard male protagonist. Then when KotOR 2 came around, they tried to fulfill some sort of self imposed diversity quota and made the exile female, despite a male exile being a far more appropriate fit.

>>323287645

You underestimate the power of the Force

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>>323326249

You gonna give a citation for that claim?

>>323287156

>that you cant even get

what the fuck

>>323326249
Do you have a link to an interview or something for Revan being written as female?

What makes it more appropriate for the exile to be male?

http://pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=54513025

I want Japan to keep their weebshit out of my star wars.

>>323325730
>>323326582
Goddamn Revan looks good, shame you can't get those robes in game without modding

>>323326249
>Then when KotOR 2 came around
Female is default character in config file
Just like male was in first kotor
But I agree that male protag makes more sense in second game

>>323326715
The source is his ass. Revan was always a male

>>323326715
>What makes it more appropriate for the exile to be male?
His spicy hot fresh shitty opinions.

>>323323108
Check the nexus page or deadlystream there is no complete pack but some guy did a couple of the early on areas and it looks decent.

How did all the jedis die in kotor 2?

>>323326715
>Do you have a link to an interview or something for Revan being written as female?
No, because this game is over 10 years old. Anyone who followed it's development should be aware.

>What makes it more appropriate for the exile to be male?
Every character relationship of any significance works better if the Exile is male.

>>323327053
Obsidian fanfic writing
Sith still didn't won, even after all jedi died or go hiding

>>323326837
And? What do config file defaults have to do with writing?

>>323326715
>What makes it more appropriate for the exile to be male?
Story for the female exile was unfinished. Male Exile gets the love triangle story with Atris and Handmaiden, Visas' devotion is better, Bao-Dur and Atton are solid bros, and Sion's hate for you is centered around what you mean to Kreia. Female Exile doesn't get Handmaiden and by extension the storyline with Atris, Disciple is the worst character in the game, Disciple and Atton engage in a shitty excuse for a romance, and Sion's hate for you is some creepy stalker crush instead of tying into the actual plot.

>He doesn't want Revan to be qt Sith Lord waifu

>>323327208
>what default character have to do with default character

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>>323327057

>No, because this game is over 10 years old. Anyone who followed it's development should be aware.

So you're just pulling this out of your ass. Gotcha.

Gas yourself.

>>323327053

Sith started hunting them.

Nihlus devoured a shitload of them when they met at one planet for some kind of talks. That's the same where Visas was too.

>>323311367

I just plasma torched it. Nothing broke.

>>323327053

During KoToR1 and 2, The Trayus academy was hell bent on eradicating every single last jedi in the galaxy.

Also, during the great Jedi war at Malachor V, thousands lost their lives, but this was pre KoToR1.

>>323327187
But where did all the kotor 1, jedis go?
Assuming Revan was light side.

>>323327385

Tortanics cinematics are the only good thing to come from that shitshow. They show the siths relentless attacks, sniping jedi out from the shadow.

>>323327342
You're retarded then?

>>323327346
>So you're just pulling this out of your ass.
Turns out not every single dev comment has an easily found source over a decade after a game releases. I'm not going to spend time trying to track down random interviews for you. If you're that interested, go look yourself.

>>323327526
Vrook is still alive, you meet him on Dantooine in KOTOR 2. Vandar is still alive at the end of KOTOR 1 but was presumed dead in the interim. Bastilla is still alive, as shown if you select Revan as male when talking to Atton. The rest are unknown.

Not that guy but I did recall one of the writers said that they envisioned Revan as Female.

Wait, what relation does the exile has to revan besides being self-inserts for the player?

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>>323327834

>I'm not going to spend time trying to track down random interviews for you.

If you're going to put forth bullshit claims, then the burden of proof is on you, not me or anyone else, to actually show that it legitimately exists.

I have no preference whether I play male or female, but I hate it when cunts like you just pull shit straight from their asses and try to peddle it as the truth without providing citation of any sort to actually back what you're saying.

>>323328082

The Exile was a general in Revan's army.

>>323327905
I'm talking about all the jedis.
The ones you see everywhere in dantooine.

Anyways anons above explained it.

>>323327385
>>323327346
Where is all this explained in the game?

>>323327906
Whatever is canon it makes sense that revan and the exile should be opposite genders, but also atris and male exile makes sense. Unless she is lesbo

>>323327834
>If you're that interested, go look yourself.
I looked and the head of bioware said that at no point was revan supposed to be female.

>>323328082
The Exile was one of Revan's generals.
It's implied that they were deliberately placed at Malachor because Revan knew they wouldn't betray the Jedi

>>323327346

According to Kreia the Sith that we knew in KoToR was not the real Sith.

>>323327604

I tried to get into TORtanic but the game is just so shitty and the Revan book mentally fucked my shit up, I have never been more angrier in my life than reading that.

Revan was probably the most powerful Jedis in terms of force potential and how he used it. He was the only one that could truly "control" the force rather than have it control him, thus why he was never Light or Dark. (mind control doesn't count)

Meetra Surik aka Exile was another powerful force user that could disconnect and connect people to the force, this alone was extremely dangerous to the galaxy, more so than Revan, but she, like Revan, did not follow a path but chose to follow her Master.

>>323328243
>Where is all this explained in the game?
Kreia talks about it as do all the jedi masters.

>>323328189
Canon shit aside, what benefit do you have as playing as a girl in KOTOR 1?

>>323328082
The exile was once Revan's trusted general, one of the first to leave with him when the mandorlian wars started. They were one of the few not to follow him after Malachor and sucumb to the dark side. It was the Exile's decision that basically ended the Mandorlian war and kickstarted the next one.

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>>323328243

>Where is all this explained in the game?

The dialogue.

Did you even play the game? Kreia, for one, tells you about this often enough, and then there's Atris too.

>>323287003
MIssion was in fact, best girl.
tfw horny teen when this game came out and first game i owned on xbox. countless fapping after finding out i could take missions clothes off and look at her in first person

>>323328189
>the burden of proof is on you
I'm not trying to prove anything to you, brother. I'm just telling you how the character was written. Why you're so adamantly opposed to this idea, I've no fucking idea.

I think FemExile's side would be better if obsidian didn't rush like fucking idiots.

It's obvious that her storyline is unfinished compare to the male.

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>>323328452

>According to Kreia the Sith that we knew in KoToR was not the real Sith.

I know that, but still, she called herself and the others Sith too, if only because they followed the philosophies and ways of the Sith. The true Sith vanished a long, long time ago.

Which is what really bothers me. What the fuck happened to the Sith, as a species? I know they race-mixed a lot with the Dark Jedi that arrived to Korriban, but they didn't do it so much that the whole fucking race got sent into extinction.

>>323281195

>WE WROTE SOME DIALOGUE, AND YOU'RE GONNA LISTEN TO IT IF WE HAVE TO BUG YOU EVERY 5 FUCKING MINUTES YOU LITTLE SHIT

Newfag here, where does the KOTOR games place on timeline in the old canon before disney fucked it up?

Is it before episode 1?

>>323328635
>I'm just telling you how the character was written.
Your headcanon doesn't count, bro.

>>323328452
The most annoying part of TOR's backstory is what the stole and then retconned from 2.
They shamelessly retconned the Exile and Nihlus just to make their new character look super speshul, and completely missed the point of their powers while doing so.

>>323328592
It has been a lot since and all the dialogues focus on the mandalorian wae.

>>323328981
Count for what? For what's canon? Of course it doesn't. That's why I already said I don't care about the canon, which was decided entirely independently of any writer input.

>>323328954
Like 4000 years before episode 4 or something like that.

>>323328243

Kreia is a fountain of disguised knowledge. Her teachings are exactly the same ones she passed onto Revan as she did to you. The thing was, Kreia herself cannot follow her own teachings and can merely be thought of as a fool.

That's why she's really mixed/cryptic.

If you're talking about the eradication of Jedis then that's pretty much the main plot, since you're character had the finger on the trigger to destroy thousands and thousands of powerful force users.

>>323328954
several thousand years before episode 1.

>>323329223
So it's before the series even start. Nice.

What is the Old Republic?

>>323326605

You can get it out of the star forge at the end.

>>323329379
I'm not too well versed on SW lore, but I'm guessing it's the republic in the game, but it's the old republic if looked at from the movies perspective.

can i play through kotor 2 without a lightsabers or forcepowers?

>>323329445
I don't think it gives you the mask, though. Right?

>>323329617
Blaster builds are perfectly viable. Forcepowers i suppose it's possible to never use them but you will have them, you start as a jedi class.

PURE

>>323329513
What importance do the old republic have in the movies?

>>323329617
kotor 2 is incredibly flexible in how you play since you can easily break it. You could run through this game unarmed and still be strong enough to handle just about everything.

>>323329617
Playing as dual blaster at the moment.

If you build it properly, most force powers are completely useless. It's spam rapid fire all day everyday. Pretty good damage output and you rarely get hit.

>>323330023

Disney retconned everything that isn't the movies.

The extended universe and everything in it doesn't exist anymore.

>>323329379
>>323329513

The Old Republic is the Republic that exists up until Palpatine takes it over.

The New Republic is what the rebels form after Palpatine gets thrown down a ventilation shaft and explodes.

Technically speaking though I think The Old Republic in the EU is a specific era defined as roughly 4-5,000 years before the events of the movies. KOTOR is set in 3,956 BBY (before battle of yavin, aka the destruction of the first deathstar).

why do I know what BBY means what have I done with my life

how do you get the old lady to like you in kotor 2? I know you stay neutral. does that mean you have to pick mira tho?

>>323331012
The two things to make Kreia respect you are
1) Thinking about the consequences of your actions
2) Questioning everything

>>323331012

You don't have to stay neutral, you don't even have to agree with her, you just have to tell her you'll think about/consider what she said.

>>323331012

To get Kreia to like you, you just have to do everything that benefits you, rather than it benefiting others.

Do no grow attached to things as they can be broken so easily. But this is why Kreia perished and Revan/Exile did not.

Kreia had great teachings but could not follow them through herself.

>>323281334
I took him to Korriban to meet his son but beyond that, no

Mainly use some combo of canderous/jolee/hk47

>>323331012
>how do you get the old lady to like you in kotor 2?
You don't even really have to be neutral, you just have to make a pragmatic case for your actions.
Also consider what she has to say.

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>>323328954
>Is it before episode 1?

>>323331608

>I took him to Korriban to meet his son but beyond that, no

What

I've played through KOTOR 1 at least 10 times and have never heard of this. I guess I really don't use him ever but still.

Can someone tell me what's going on with the resurgence of these games?

Are they 4k with updated textures now or not?
The comments in available torrents just say to mod them.

>>323288563
Since you would have been playing as the Exile, could you justify the loss of powers and starting at a lower level by not traveling with the same Force sensitive party members from the second game? So you're not able to leach the Force off of them.

>>323329617
You will be forced to take some force powers, but you're not forced to actually use them.

>the current year
>not making a male Exile
>not playing as Oedipus Complex Space Jesus

I MEAN COME ON

>>323332378

Who says you would lose your powers?

As to the lower level, well, gameplay has to take priority over story at one point, otherwise you're going to be bullshit OP. Or maybe they'd just amp up your enemies.

>>323331012
>I know you stay neutral.
False. Kreia is best influenced through dark side options, just not the ones that senselessly kill people for no reason. She is a Sith, no matter how much people deny it. Manipulate and use people for your own ends, and make it clear that you will do the same with her.

>>323332294

kotor2 got an official update that added resolution support upto 4k, some bug fixes and restored content.

>>323332294
>Can someone tell me what's going on with the resurgence of these games?
That huge movie that was just released and that they share the same ip with probably has something to do with it don't you think?

>>323331903
It's his quest. Just keep talking to him after plot progression (ex: after journal updates and whanot). Same with almost everybody in the squad.

>>323332598
Oh, so it is just kotor 2 then. Aight thanks.

>>323332604
ya

>>323281934
Canderous made a fucking badass dual-wield melee character though

>>323332378
They'd probably do what they did in Baldur's Gate 2/ NWN 2 expansions.

>>323332642
Does Atton have a crush on you as a girl?

>>323332950
Atton is a fool.

>>323332950
He hates you because you are a Jedi.
But he flirts constantly because he is Atton.

>>323332950
Yeah, him and Disciple get into some stupid-ass forced love triangle over it.

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>>323332950
He even figths Sion over you.

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>>323332950
Yeah.

He ask Bao-Dur if the exile might be interested in him and then T3 laughs at him

>>323297923
I was able to get past it by casting Force Speed before going into the water. I don't know if that is always consistent.

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>>323332642
>>323333317

>frak

>>323332642
>>323333317
>Jedi Master
Exile isn't a master.

>>323333609

Yea, she's a Jedi Master's Master.

Pure Pazaak

>>323288887
You know,she could've just used the force to finish them off right
Slam them or shit

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>>323334116
way too anime eyes

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>>323334459

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>>323334116

Who the fuck seriously played with female Exile though? You get Disciple instead of Handmaiden, and you lose all the bro stuff with Bao Dur. Also Kreia doesn't warn you about the dangers of getting alien women pregnant. Why do that to yourself?

>>323334716
I'm playing femExile with the handmaiden mod, and it's pretty great so far. I imagine Disciples pretty awful from what I hear though, so without the mod I'd agree with you

>>323334716
I did once just so I could have an all-Counselor party.

MOOCHA

Are there any good mods to change kotor 1 and 2 up a bit, i've played them quite a bit and want something the same but with some different mechanics.

>>323335231
SHAKA

>>323335264


PAKA

>>323332453

I always wondered how much of an advantage it can be. Sure, they can't read your mind, but also you're using a good chunk of your brainpower playing fake card games. And if it's NOT a good chunk of your brainpower, how the hell is it keeping them out?

>>323335357
PITCHU

>>323335671

I'm just trying to figure out when exactly we established that all Jedi can read minds. I remember in a New Hope they established that Jedi can trick really weak willed or dumb people into doing things, and force users can sense other powerful force users nearby. Don't remember the movies implying that mind reading was a standard Jedi ability. And if it's not in the movies I'm inclined to believe that if it exists as a force power at all, it is anything but standard.

>>323289125
Those god damn reapers

How do you guys feel about Disney rearranging the canon?

Myself is slightly upset at first but I got over it.

>>323335671
>how the hell is it keeping them out?
It's an obscure skillset that they never really encounter and therefore it doesn't even occur to them that they might be being deceived.
>>323336171
Vader definitely reads minds and I'm pretty certain Yoda does too.

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>>323336606
Didn't really care that much and it's easy to see why they did it.

>>323336606
I'm still upset they erased k1 and 2, seeing as it didn't really affect their current timeline in any way. I think it's nice ToR is no longer canon.

>>323336606
I dont really care because there are two types of canon now. Movies + New approved work and then old EU shit which can still be worked on anyways

Is there a recommended mod list for KOTOR 1?

>>323288950
>use gun
>take damage
>HEALHEALHEALHEALHEAL
>repeat

that was hard

>>323336606
I only miss the jedi knight games. I didnt have much exposure to the rest of the EU, and what little i found didnt realy grab me.
And thank FUCK that starkiller dude from force unleased , along with the rest of the game is wiped.

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>>323336606
Considering they are straight up stealing the EU and making it their own now, shits stupid.

>>323305593
why is the artstyle so bad

>>323337402
JJ has a hard on for kotor, blame him

>>323281195
I don't know why you hate Carth so much. For me his wacky adventures with Revan in Taris easily were best part of KOTOR.
>barely survive after battle on orbit
>two republican soldiers, alone, in the middle of the sith occupation territory
>gotta stay covered, get your shit together and improvise something up
>low life citizens everywhere, sith, thugs, mercenaries
>"One... Two... Smart"
Shit was good. And Carth was a good friend, even if he doesn't trust you.

>>323337478
Jacen and kyle weren't kotor though.

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>>323337437

BioWare

Is the GOG version of KOTOR 1 any good?
and how is the steam version of KOTOR 2? I heard it got a huge update a few months ago

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>>323337437
Because Bioware had the wisdom to use some half-finished engine that they didn't put much effort into.

>>323337483
>>barely survive after battle on orbit
>>two republican soldiers, alone, in the middle of the sith occupation territory
>>gotta stay covered, get your shit together and improvise something up
>>low life citizens everywhere, sith, thugs, mercenaries
>>"One... Two... Smart"

Notice how none of that has anything to do with Carth specifically. Switch him and Trask and that whole Taris part would have been 10 times better.

>>323329379

The First Galactic Republic that was founded 25,000 years before the Battle of Yavin is the same Republic as in the prequel movies.
it's referred to as the "Old" Republic in the games to differentiate it from the New Republic that was formed after the Battle of Endor in Return of the Jedi (the New Republic was not actually in the movies until TFA).

the Star Forge that Revan used to build his fleet that was built by the Rakata, an agressive alien species that had a large empire that ruled over most of the galaxy before the foundation of the Galactic Republic and the Jedi Order.

>>323330281
>everything that isn't the movies

That's not true there's still a lot of material outside the movies that is considered canon like the Clone Wars animated series.

>>323321490
>those textures
what

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>yfw this happens

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>>323336606
Malachor is still canon, so I don't give a fuck.

>>323333609
Prestige class, anon

So is SWTOR worth even a playthrough? Any good "Stories" there?

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>>323338153
Has a couple decent areas but it depends on if you want to go through standard mmo combat for that long.

>>323335671
The point isn't to deflect direct mind rape, it's to distract from casual mental observation/background sensing. Plus, most don't go further than that even when trying, because it doesn't occur to them that someone might try to deflect rather than outright resist.

>>323336606
Kyle, Zayne, Jarael and pre TOR KOTOR will be missed, but I'm not that fussed otherwise.

Most of the old EU was just obnoxious one upmanship that made Starkiller base look like childs play.

>>323334658
I heard that VO so many times it rings in my head. Still hearing all the intonations. Even that... Hey!

>>323337934
what mod

>>323338708
I would say it's Xarwarz' retexture.

>>323338360
Why does MMO combat have to be so terrible

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>>323338360
I havent played since right after it went FTP has it got better?