>Cecil is an alien >Bartz is a chosen one >Terra is

coincidentally those are all the worst FFs.

>>323235012
Vaan was a quick tack-on bishie to get more sales. The original MC was that Balthier guy or whatever.

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Vaan isn't even the LEADING MAN

But Squall is a member of the elite SEED forces

>>323235881
>>323235276
Even if you pretend the main character is Balthier or Basch, they still are just regular humans.
>>323236352
So is Zell, and no one would argue he's special. Squall is just a really skilled human.

>>323235012

Firion is the most stylish Dissidia character

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>Vaan in 12
>insufferable awful whiny dickweed bitch

>Vaan in every spin off game
>likable fun realistic human with reasonable reactions to shit

If my only exposure to Vaan was from the spin offs I'd think he was the coolest main character.

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>>323235251
4 5 6 and 7 are at the top of the franchise

>>323236875
>Vaan is a confident badass in Revenant Wings while Balthier is a huge bitch
>Vaan is a playful rogue in Tactics A2
>Vaan is a playful rogue that NTRs the original Dissidia guys that liked Terra plus he fucks with Kefka

Pretty much.

Well I guess Firion is a weapon master. Bartz wasnt really a chosen one either. Same for Lenna, Faris, and Galuf. They just happened to be at the right place at the right time... so i guess they were kinda chosen ones?

>>323237769
I need to play Dissidia.

>>323237769
poor onion Knight

Is Dissidia WoL canon to FF1?

>>323235012
>Tidus is a dream made in the image of a supersoldier
What"? what supersoldier? afaik he was nothing special besides the dream part

>>323238103
Dissidia is fun as fuck

>Get to Laguna's campaign in the story
>Enter the world map
>Instead of the FF VIII world map theme, Eyes on Me/ Julia plays
>Get shot right in the feels

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>>323236585
SEED are basically superhumans considering junctioning GFs to improve their abilities is canon to the story and not just a gameplay thing.

>>323238375
No. He's actually a character from the Dissidia universe.

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Squall is a lifelike human being with crippling emotional flaws and insecurities. He doesn't need a twist crutch to make his character interesting.

>>323237142
I think he's talking about 2, 8, and 12.

>>323235012

>squall get nothing

he's a military cadet, isn't that good enough?

>>323238547
He can hold his breath for over 10 minutes.

>>323238836
He's not real, he fucking better.

>>323235012
Squall is a time travelling, amnesiac orphan whose dad is the president of the FF-version of atlantis.

>Cloud
>Supersoldier

Cloud was a dude with anxiety problems who was injected with alien DNA.

>you can't be special if you're hunan

Nigga, did you even PLAY VIII? Squall fucks a sorceress, fucks several sorceresses up, befriends and summons gods at a whim, has a fucking gunblade, and fucks with TIME ITSELF. Not to mention being the de facto leader of a mercenary force powerful enough to topple entire empires. The mother fucker jumped into SPACE just to save his not-even-girlfriend-yet because he knew that pussy game was so fine that it would bring about Ragnarok.

Motherfuckers ain't got shit on Squall.

>>323238836
So can Wakka and Rikku, and every blitz player in spira

>>323239085
Yeah, just like all the super SOLDIERs in FF7. Mako therapy is mandatory to get into SOLDIER. How do you think his skinny-ass can swing that buster sword around?

>>323239085
thats how you make super soldiers

>>323239448
He didn't get into soldier. Did you even play the game?

>>323239631
I was saying he was the same as a SOLDIER, which are super soldiers in FF7.
He received the same Mako therapy that Soldiers receive.

>>323235012
Before she got Branded or whatever Lightning was literally a cop with a fancy gun and a gravity manipulator. There wasn't anything particularly notable about her.

>>323235012
Firion knows Ultima (canonically), Squall is blessed by destiny, Vaan is a fag

>>323239631
I remember he did get the Mako treatment when Hojo's goons experimented on him. The Mako poisoning is what fucked up his memories.

>>323239738
Also he was retarded and in a wheelchair, like all great supersoldiers. And he dressed in drag to fuck a man. Truly he was a great hero.

>>323239448
To be fair he was able to do that before the mako therapy.

>>323240037
Totally invalidated me, bro. How can you do that to your bro, bro?

>>323240097
He stabbed Sephi once under adrenaline rush.

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>>323235012
Firion have almost infinite potential to easily learn everything, kinda like Bartz and Luneth but without the light crystals limitation.
Squall can use that silly looking weapon and fly around with it during limit breaks like a hacking motherfucker, and this is supposed to be a "super soldier"-tier achievement since apparently gunblade users are very rare.
Vaan have 99 LCK (useless brat that not only have an also useless but hot friend following his dick around, but also got a chance to stay on a crazy group of adventurers fighting rejected gods and shit that includes a a motherfucking sky pirate and a rare adventurer Viera).

>>323239085
>>323239631
The tanks that Cloud and Zack were stuck in after the Nibelheim incident were filled with Mako. Cloud and Zack were injected with Jenova cells in there as well. It did nothing to Zack because he had already done it once and lived through the process allowing him to be in SOLDIER. Cloud wasn't tough enough so it fucked up his brain in addition to making him the physical equivalent of a new SOLDIER operative.

Hojo's experiments were the exact same as the process used to create SOLDIER operatives. The sole difference was the amount (and type if you consider Crisis-Core canon) of Jenova cells.

Taken from one of the notes in the basement of Shinra Manor:
>"Escapee Report no. 2
>Description at the time of capture.
>A Former member of SOLDIER/Number( )
>No effect could be detected from
>either Mako Radiation Therapy
>or Jenova on him.
>B Regular/Number ( )
>Reaction to Jenova detected."

You are either retarded or baiting.

>>323240238
My bad, bro. Don't be mad at your bro, bro. We cool, bro?

>>323240435
Sure thing, bro. Just remember to be cool to your bros, bro, before your bros don't want to be your bros anymore, bro.

>>323240350
Yeah, he reacted to Jenova. That's why he was able to be controlled by Sephiroth/Jenova.

Zack wasn't. Because he WAS a supersoldier, better than Cloud.

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>>323238676
Unless you count the opening of the PS1 FF remake. Which I do, fuck Cloud, WoL should have been the one in Smash

>>323240724
I just goofed, bro. I didn't mean to ruin the bro times with my bro. Let it slide and I promise I'll never hurt my bro again, bro.

>>323240945
The design, yes. But the character in Dissidia is an original Dissidia character.

>>323240945
At least it wasn't Lightning.

>>323240945
>Tfw FFV fag
>Want Bartz in Smash

Dissidia Bartz was neat, but having rehashed atacks was dull. The new Dissidia Bartz looks dope as fuck though, he used Magic Missile, Zenninage and variations of Spellblade and Rapid fire,

>>323240945
If Dissidia used Amano's designs, why is Zidane still tiny?

>>323240772
The point that OP is trying to make is that Cloud is not a regular human. Yeah, Zack was cooler than Cloud and was actually employed by SOLDIER at one point, but there is no denying that post-Nibelheim Cloud is physically identical to an operative in SOLDIER. He may not have been trained or ever employed as a super-soldier, but he was that's not what anyone is saying he was.

What you're doing is like saying a horse isn't a racehorse if it doesn't run in races. You're technically right, but it also makes you a pedantic ass.

>>323241278

Cloud is a normal guy that got experimented on so he has super abilities. Squall is a normal guy at a military academy that junctions monsters to enhance his natural abilitues, giving him super abilities. The premise of this thread is stupid.

>>323236585
Basch is still important plot wise. He's a fallen knight, betrayed by his brother and own government.
He's like a renegade hero, kinda

>>323235012
Squall is the legendary SeeD

>>323240945

I meant specifically Fighter being a clone of Cid of the Lufen.

>>323241828
>fallen knight
>betrayed by his own brother and government

So...he's Cecil?

>The premise of this thread is stupid
>continually posts in it
sasuga /v/

>>323241940
You're not me, faggot.

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>>323235012
You forgot:
>Y'Shtola took a bath in the lifestream and got SSJ

>>323242151
But she's blind now.

RUINED

>>323235012
Squall is the chosen one too, he's the legendary SeeD who's destined to kill Ultimecia

>>323238774
Yeah, I expect a lot out of the same writers that created Selphie, Zell, and Ultimecia.

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>>323241996
Huh, never thought of it that way

>>323242151
It's a shame Dissidia is using her Pre-Lifestream, that outfit is amazing.
Though hopefully it can appear as an alt costume on console.

>>323242004
>nearly half the posts are arguing about whether Cloud is a supersoldier or not
>most of the rest are talking about how based Squall is

Pretty good for /v/, honestly.

>>323242025
I was specifying the intent of my original question from
>>323238375

>>323235276
During conceptual preproduction, sure.

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>>323242329
She can still see perfectly fine using her magic.

Also, Thancred and Papalymo have bleached eyes as well and seem to see fine.

>>323242531
I like both outfits but I really liked the teal eyes a lot more.

>>323243119
>She can still see perfectly fine using her magic.

But its slowly killing her!

>>323243119
Thancred and Papalymo always had light-colored eyes, and they aren't white like Y'shtola's now.

>>323235012
>Cecil is an alien
Thanks, asshole! I just got to the moon and now you've ruined the game for me.

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>>323243212
That is a translation error. The japanese version has Matoya saying that using that magic is tiresome. Japanese have actually a verb if something is a burden on your body that would kill you, they didn't use it.

>>323243290
True. Guess Y'Shtola was the only one to get whisked into the lifestream.

>>323243579
Literally a minute on the moon "hey I'm your space uncle, you are half moon"

>>323243579

>ruined the game

I guess all that fun you've had up to now was just an illusion.

>>323236585
THIS is the uneducated public.
THIS is the problem with the world.
They assume the narrator or story teller is the main character.
Tidus is NOT the main character Luna is.
Vaan is not the main character, and while its funny neither is Balthier its Ash and her political turmoil.

>>323243620

I will accept this for now.

>>323243620
Thancred got sent through the lifestream but he didn't get stuck like Y'shtola did. He got thrown into the Dravanian Forelands and fought bears with handmade knives and no clothes. It still fucked him up though. He can't use magic anymore and he's apparently missing an eye, or wearing an eyepatch just to look cooler.

>>323235012
Squall was raised to be a murderous soldier, and lead the world's largest army though...
Also, Firion was a lame ass kid from a backwoods town who raised up and toppled an empire, killed the emperor, went to hell and killed him a second time.

Vaan... Well, Vaan was around while some cool shit happened...

>>323240945

>not a chocobo riding moogle

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>>323244029
Was him using Magic a thing in 1.0? I was actually surpried then it was mentioned.

>>323244185
Yeah, Thancred is a student of Louisoix so he's incredibly talented with magic. He never really needed to use it though, except for making himself look young and pretty. That's why he now has a beard and Hilda said he looked like an old man and he got upset. He can't use magic to look pretty anymore.

>>323235012
>>Zidane is Goku

I was kinda pissed that Garland reveals Zidane is his perfect Angel of Death and then... nothing. I mean, shouldn't he have some kind of super Trance form superior to Kuja's or something that should mark him as superior?

>>323235012
Vaan is the Queerest of the Queer as Folk

>>323236352
He's also a lion. maybe

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Okay /v/, gimme the power ranking from strongest to weakest of this cast.

>>323235012
>Cloud is a supersoldier
Not really.

>>323244474
He does murder Kuja and the god of death. Is that not enough?

>>323241828
>Basch is still important plot wise.

If you don't put Basch in your party, he utterly disappears in between the floating country bit and when his brother pops up again at the end of the game.

He's scarcely more visible than Penelo.

>>323244474
Trance is the super form. Zidane was superior because you need a soul to use Trance and Kuja didn't have a soul. He had to steal Brahne's after she died.

>>323243842
>>323243809
I actually quit the game years ago when I got to the moon because getting my ass handed to me by monsters twice my level wasn't fun.

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>>323244438
I never knew that. Kinda cool to see how much backstory some of the NPC have in ARR.

He looks a lot better with a beard.

>>323235012
They're all fags.

>>323244675
Yeah, but with everyone else helping him. Kuja was clearly stronger one-on-one, even though he was supposed to be just a defective throwaway to Zidane's supposed perfected model.

>>323235012
Lightning is a l'cie, not a super soldier.

>>323244708

I quit there too. The massive power spike in the enemies is just bad game design.

>>323244665
Cloud got put through the treatment as did all the recruits, he just never showed the effects until he skewered Sephiroth at the reactor in a rage.

>>323236875
You so called "fans" seem to not even remember the game and mostly spouts garbage you hear from other people. Since when was Vaan whiny. Since when was he a bitch?

Squall is the commander of the most powerful military force around and the chosen Magical Knight of the sorceress who defeated ultimecia. He's the worlds greatest soldier by far. Dude beat time travel

>>323236875
Well, he's clearly Luke, so XII Vaan is A New Hope Luke, and the rest are Return of the Jedi Luke.

>>323245006
He never got treatment. Shinra grunts don't get it. After the Nibelheim incident Hojo nabbed him and stuffed him into a Mako tube.

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>>323241828
>betrayed by his own brother.
You've got that backward. Basch abandoned his mother and brother for Dalmasca when their homeland fell. Noah remained behind to care for their mother, ultimately moving to Archades, where he eventually became the Judge Magister Gabranth.

>>323244637
>Lightning
>Warrior of Light
>Cecil
>Terra
>Firion
>Zidane
>Cloud
>Onion Knight
>Bartz
>Squall
>Vaan

>>323244637
Strongest
>Cloud
Weakest
>The XI potato

>>323245075
>Squall is the commander of the most powerful military force

Which he attains by being the only person who doesn't inexplicably lose his shit in an emergency.

VII's method for making Squall look impressive was making absolutely EVERYONE ELSE a stupid hysterical useless fuck. He's not impressive in any way and most of his commands are basic textbook procedure, everyone else is just made cartoonishly incompetent beyond reason to prop him up.

>>323244830
I'd say thematically that actually makes sense. Zidane was the model killer but he found meaning in comradery. His strength was in numbers, entering Trance to protect. Kuja clung bitterly to narcissism. It bolstered him in the singular sense, and his desire to maintain his self pushed him into Trance, but that did jack and shit for him in the end.

>>323245489
Let's not forget that he just became a ranked SeeD and was given his position from Cid because nepotism.

>>323235012
You skipped Squall, a super soldier.

>>323235012
Vaan isn't the main character. Ashe was. And she's a princess.

>>323241828
>betrayed by his brother and own government.
tip top kek Basch betrayed his own mother and country he was from - he isn't actually neither from Landis nor Dalmasca he's from a minor Archadian noble house. That's why his brother made it to judge magister.

>>323235012
>Zidane is Goku

So does that make Kuja Raditz?

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>>323240945
>Not the Black Mage
Bonus point they could include music fromUematsu's prog band

>>323246064
>>323245361
well, I guess that really does make him a renegade hero

>>323235881

And yet the game starts with his brother and it focuses on Vaan's life.

>>323244687
Why Brahne's? Surely there's better than some morbidly obese elephant raccoon. I would've went after Fratley's soul.

>>323241158
does anyone actually like Lightning?

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>>323243925
>Luna is

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how about me

>>323246225
Basch is pretty scummy if you think about it left his sick mother with his younger mother to play knight. Refused to return home after war because muh imaginary honor even when mother was on her deathbed. His betrayal of the empire degraded the prestige of their family and drove his brother into a military career and insanity.

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>>323246698
Clearly an Uchiha.

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>>323246764
>left his sick mother with his younger mother

>>323246937
yeah... I'm going to bed now...

>>323246485
Only ironically.

>>323246485
One man likes her so much he made 3 games for her.

>>323247135
Why can't the Yakuza assassinate someone in the videogames industry who deserves it for once, so we can bury this shitty character once and for all.

>>323246698

Noctis was designed before shitpooden.

>>323247295
I think Japan has a stigma against killing downies.

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>>323246908

>>323244637
>including all of their powers and assuming they have the best equipment
Lightning
Zidane
Terra
Cloud/Squall are tied
Cecil
Bartz
Tidus/Vaan are tied
Warrior of Light
Firion

The mmo characters don't count.

>>323241828
Only Ashe and Balthier make decisions that impact the plot. Basch does nothing.

>>323245489
>>323245841
I agree that him being commander is irrelevant, but he's still probably the most skilled protagonist on the list, based on his feats alone.

He didn't win because of some prophecy or bloodline trait, he won because he was that damn good.

>>323244830
Kuja was test-tube cloned as an adult. Therefore he supposedly did not have normal "human" emotions and lacked empathy because he did not have a childhood. Trance occurs during the height of emotional trauma (just like SSJ).

Garland then chose Zidane to be the supreme angel of death under the false presumption that Kuja could not go into trance. Zidane had a childhood and grew up with emotions and thus could go into Trance.

Then Kuja finds he was being used and Garland's idea that Zidane was stronger goes right out the window as Kuja was capable of trance the entire time.

Ultimania bros

>>323247632
>>323245379
>Lightning #1
I never borthered to finish XIII. How is she supposed to be so powerful?

>>323235881
>Best character in a game where everyone in your main cast is unimportant.
>Story continually tries to force some dumb miserable cunt as "lead" despite being just as pointless as everyone else.
>Basically do everything important or at least start anything interesting, still take and follow cunt's shit.

Being Balthier is suffering.

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>>323246213
THREAD NEEDS MORE 8-BIT THEATER

>>323236352
He's the gunblade holder foretold by Edea due to time travel shenanigans.

>>323248554
Actually if I was just counting FFXIII she'd be below Tidus and Vaan, but in XIII-2 she became an immortal norse goddess and in Lightning Returns she starts the game as the grim reaper and became super god at the end.

>>323244632
That soundtrack is so goddamn good.

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>>323235012
Lightning is a super soldier? They couldn't have even given her a different "special attribute"?

Did Toriyama just want to fuck Cloud so he made Lightning to convince himself he isn't gay?

>>323249051
Is that what they went with with XIII-2 and LR? She really is the one director's waifu, isn't she?

>>323249479
She's not even a super soldier. She's some fucking cop who kills varmints. She somehow is better than every PSICOM elite soldier combined, and knows how to fly a military jet.

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>>323249648
>She really is the one director's waifu, isn't she?
Are you only just now catching on?

>>323249814
I thought Sazh was the one that piloted the jet.

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>>323235012
'cause Firion is from a shitty Final Fantasy, Squall is from a shitty Final Fantasy, and Vaan was never meant to be the main character anyway (and also from a shitty Final Fantasy).

>>323249957
She started grabbing it out of his hands, because she's the only one who gets to do things. Luckily Sazh put her in her place and stopped that shit right there.

>>323248707
Really could have used you over in /ffg/, I dumped the whole thing there.

>>323250051
>and Vaan was never meant to be the main character anyway
Stop saying this like it means anything. See>>323242864

FF12 is the best FF released, but Vaan just ruins it.

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>>323244676
>Not having Basch in your party

>>323250556
Elaborate

How does Vaan ruin the game?

>people still treat the Angle of Death title literally

Zidane isn't some horrifically powerful monster that could enact genocide on a massive scale all by himself. He would have followed the same MO as Kuja if Garland had his way.

>>323245968
inb4

>Tidus wasn't the protagonist, Yuna was
>Zidane wasn't the protagonist, Garnet was

I bet you're one of those faggots that always argues the female lead is the true main character.

>>323248554
In FFXIII-3 she is basically Jesus with tits and "negative value" ass (or a Noah's version of Valkyrie Profile: instead of recruiting the souls of the dead to fight for the gods, you are collecting souls of the depressed-but-still-living-people to put them on your fancy-looking Ark because the world is ending and shit), and she is also the creator of real-world Earth.

>>323251175
Actually considering the shit they fought against, are you really saying Kuja and Zidane wouldn't be able to wipe out most humans?

>>323251226
Yuna certainly was the main character in FFX, and obviously Zidane was in FFIX. It shouldn't be so hard for you to tell who the main character is, unless you're retarded.

>>323250723
>Not having Ashe, Penelo and Fran

Though I don't like Fran because she's a disgusting, foul smelling Viera.

>>323244665
Hojo gave him a mako infusion and a Jenova shot same treatment as a SOLDIER recruit.

>>323251312
Considering characters like Steiner and Freya are right there with them, yes.

Reminder that Zidane was stomped by Beatrix three different times.

>>323251142
By being in it.

>>323251391
Yuna was not the main character of FFX at all. It was Tidus's story. It was always Tidus's story.

We don't see fucking flashbacks of Yuna's past, do we?

We don't have an experienced and wiser Yuna narrating the game and reflecting on her past actions do we?

Stop being so fucking retarded.

>>323251838
And?

>>323251926
>He thinks the narrator is the lead actor

You truly are brain dead.

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>>323251226
Cloud isn't the protagonist, Aerith was. Then it was Tifa.

Cloud is just some spiky haired blonde faggot.

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my god can't we just agree that people share the lead in some FF games? I mean if you really want to be fags besides the MMOs I'd say the Dissidia representatives are the canon leads. Now fuck off and post hot FF wimenz

>>323252143
>It's Yuna's story
>you don't even get introduced to Yuna for over an hour
>she spends most of her time in the early game being kidnapped or off screen in the temples

>>323252143
he never said that but in this case it sure as hell is. especially when he fucking said "this is my story" in the introduction of the game

>>323235012
squall is pretty elite for being one of the few to be capable with a gunblade

>>323252041
And it would be a better experience if he and Penelo weren't in it.

>>323252415
>my god can't we just agree that people share the lead in some FF games?
Aside from 6, 13, and arguably 12, no they really don't.

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>>323252294

>>323252558
No it wouldn't have. See >>323242864
And stop clinging to shitty opinions you formed when you were a teenager playing the game for the first time.

>>323252732
>blatant shit posts are now bait!
Fuck you

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>>323252732
I was joking

>>323252143
For you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7M1_gjqqws

>>323252898
What don't you understand about narrator =/= lead character. The whole plot was to put a stop to sin, which could have been done by Yuna's party whether or not random blonde retard was there or not.

>Balthier says "i'm the leading man!"
>blatantly showboating
>autists take him seriously even though he doesn't really influence the main plot

>>323235012
>FF3 characters are from the World Below but raised in the World Above
>Cecil is a Half-Lunarian
>Bartz is a Half-World 1 & World 2 baby
>Terra is a Half-Esper
>Cloud is a Half-Zack
>Squall is the child of a SEED and a Sorcerer
>Zidane is a child of two worlds
>Tidus is an imaginary friend of a dreaming kid from the world that he is dreaming an imagination into

>>323253192
>Squall is the child of a SEED and a Sorcerer

Wrong.

>>323253065
What don't you understand about Tidus (and Auron) both blatantly telling you that it's TIDUS'S story ergo, he's the main character of it?

>>323253065
>the first words spoken in the game are by Tidus, the MAIN CHARACTER literally saying "Listen to my story"
>then the title of the game comes up

>>323253426
>>323253290
>>323253290
>what is unreliable narrator
fucktards

>>323253065
>The whole plot was to put a stop to sin, which could have been done by Yuna's party whether or not random blonde retard was there or not.
You really don't remember FFX's plot very well, do you?

>>323238081
The FFV cast were the warriors of light.
Firion, Squall, and Vaan are just orphans.

>>323253518
>what is unreliable narrator
Yeah, what is it?
You clearly dont know.

>>323253518
There's literally nothing unreliable about the narration that Tidus gives.

He doesn't hide information from the audience
He doesn't contradict himself
He isn't very vague at all

>>323253532
>lol no it wasnt xD

>Ramza is just a normal guy who defeats demons, demi-gods and gets shit on in his own universe
Talk about getting nothing.

>>323242151
Wait what, explain, I haven't played in a long time

>>323253680
>>323253589
Sorry, is Tidus in the logo
Yuna's the main character, that's why we have a sequel of her dedicated to save Tidus

>>323253703
The only reason they put a stop to Sin was because of the little blonde faggot dude.

>>323253745
>Ramza is just a normal guy
Well he's the third born son of a king or noble or some shit.

>>323253680
>He doesn't contradict himself

Thats true but there is one plot hole that has bugged me for the longest

How the fuck did he not know who Yu Yevon was if he's from Zanarkand?

>>323253876
Is Cloud in the logo of FF7?

>>323253972
He isn't the main character, so of course not. We've known that Meteor is the main character for years.

>>323253882
No, the reason they put a stop to it permanently and that Yuna didn't have to die is because of the blonde faggot, but they still could have done what they originally set out to do. He definitely influenced the plot, but he wasn't integral to it.

>>323253876
>itp: Zelda is the main character of every LoZ because her name is in the title

>>323253929
2 possible explanations. Since Tidus is from Dream Zanarkand some things from the real world are out of his realm of knowledge such as the war with Bevelle.

Otherwise Zanarkand = America and the average citizen doesn't care about jackshit besides their sports and day-to-day

>>323253882
Being the son of a lord hardly affords him the ability to go up against super natural beings any better than the son of a commoner, and his lineage is very little of his character.

>>323254173
>>323254173
this always pissed me off when clearly it's Link's legend

>>323253929
That's not a plot hole.

He's not from Zanarkand, he's from a dream projection city of Zanarkand made by the Fayth.

And he immediately recognized the prayer gesture they did as a blitzball thing, so he knew that the religion was fishy from the start.

>>323254063
The plot would have been moot if Sin kept coming back. Eternal Calm seals the saving the world bit. A normal calm does not.

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>>323245379
you forgot tidus

>>323247632
you underestimate tidus

>>323235012
>>323235251
I loved ffII (american II) the new system was fun to grind with, and the story entertained me a lot. I know its not a popular view, but i loved it.

>>323254063
Are you stupid? Then the plot wouldn't be resolved if they just did the Final Aeon summoning. Yevon would still be corrupt, Sin would still devastate Spira, and the Fayth would never be allowed to rest.

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>>323246698

>>323254228
>Being the son of a lord hardly affords him the ability to go up against super natural beings any better than the son of a commoner
You say that, but all the filthy commoners got wrecked by the espers.

>>323254407
>>323254308
Killing Sin forever wasn't even a thing till right at the very end. The main plot was the pilgrimage to temporarily stop sin. Tidus was there to make the ending happier, and nothing more.

>>323253745
Ultima implies he (and Alma) are actually descendants of the guy who killed her last time (Germonik?), this may also explain why they're the only two human characters that can learn Ultima.

>>323254372
You underestimate Vaan.

Besides, they both have weird little quirks that can't fully be represented by strength

Tidus can hold his breathe for a long time and swim good, but Vaan is unable to be manipulated by godlike beings and also is a master of several different weapons and magic trees.

>>323254532
The ones you hired and Delita seem to have no trouble dispatching them

I can't be the only one who liked Vaan or didn't mind him. I'll fucking play any game and think nothing of whatever till I come here and see people bitching. Who fucking gives a shit if he wears a vest or if he's just there to tell the story from his pov you fucking retarded ass faggot bitches.

>>323254550
Sin's rebirth was brought up right on Mi'hen Highroad. Then the fact that Yuna would have to die was brought up at Home. These are issues that are brought up nowhere near the end of the game.

>>323254550
>Killing Sin forever wasn't even a thing till right at the very end.
But that's wrong. Why do you think the Fayth said "fuck it" and just shoved dream people into the world of Spira?

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>>323252294

>>323235012
Vaan makes a girl happy. That's pretty good.

>>323253289
Well, I guess Cid isn't technically a SEED
I could've sworn Edea was his mother

>>323254763
Delita still got fucked in the end.

>>323254550
You seem to be ignoring the fact that even if our protagonist and his crew did nothing, crazy ass Seymour was still planning on becoming the new Sin and purposefully killing EVERYONE on Spira.

>>323246096
No he's Vegemite

>>323254763
Delita never fought an esper. He didn't even know they existed.

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>>323254904
>this reading comprehension

>>323235012

zidanes a trial experiment by garland, a failed one at that, the same as kuja and vivi is just a black mage version of zidane made by kuja instead, they all just put too much power into them,

nobody cares about firion
squall is basically cloud but without MAKO and daily reminder that vaan isnt actually the main protagonist, its balthier who was a judge

>>323254556
I never heard that one before

>>323255005
But he did fight the super natural

>>323254904
They adopted him you mongoloid. Laguna and Raine is his real parents.

>>323255241
Squall doesn't need MAKO when he has GF instead

>>323255256
A handful of Bombs and overgrown cats aren't supernatural in Ivalice.

>>323235012

FF6 is the best Final Fantasy.

>>323255360
GF/Junctioning don't really augment a person's abilities. It's just a gameplay mechanic.

>>323244880
Lightning is also stronger than God

>>323255256
Do you mean monsters? Monsters aren't supernatural, they're just like wild animals.

>>323255241
Balthier isn't the main character no matter how much he likes to pretend that the world revolves around him.

The plot revolves around Ashe, Larsa, and Vayne, but you see in through the eyes of Vaan, who is very important in terms of Ashe's development.

Even Penelo is important to Larsa's development, to an extent.

>>323255360

yeah exactly, i forgot to mention the guardian forces, only thing is its a regular thing for SEED so it doesnt really make squall unique in his power or abilities

>>323255470
It has to do SOMETHING though. Otherwise it wouldn't be a plot point and Squall wouldn't have argued that they need to keep using it even though it saps their strength.

It's not just summons, just like materia the gameplay mechanic has partial canon to make your character able to withstand certain shit like getting blasted by fireballs and shit

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>>323236875
>Vaan
>Whiny
No....Vaan had little characterization at all actually.

>>323255470
>GF/Junctioning don't really augment a person's abilities
Uh, yes they do. In fact, it's a major plot element, as the GF junctioning is why they have shitty memories, and this is foreshadowed super early in the game.

And some of the bosses even junction things to them mid fight.

>>323255606
So what makes Ashe a better character than Yuna?

>>323255470
Are you retarded? You get stats from junctioning magic, which isn't possible without a GF.

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ff12 tried to give you the story from a POV of a nobody
as a result it was shit
Balthier would of fit the special snowflake criteria by being an Ex-Judge & Sky pirate.

>>323255641
*saps their memory

>>323235012
>Firion
Took down arguably the strongest and most badass villain

>Squall
Is an elite swordsman. Like no, really. At level 1 he has 255% accuracy. He can't miss, ever. Blind doesn't do anything to him.

>Vaan
He becomes a really badass sky pirate.

>>323255689
He had an arch, and helped someone else through her arc, so that's good enough for me.

>>323255742
Well for one, once you get Ashe in your party, you're never locked away from seeing what she's doing in the story.

>>323255470

did you even play the game mate? it lets you use magic, it augmented different stats depending on the who was junctioned to who, and what magic was stacked

>>323255606

it stopped being about ashe about 5 hours in, she just drops off, granted she IS the main character up until then, all of the characters were puppets apart from ashe, especially vayne, and remember that majority of things that happened wouldnt have happened without balthier

>>323241185
Hes 16 and not human.

>>323255812
See >>323242864

>>323255641
>>323255737
>>323255781

It doesn't do anything. Squall isn't superhuman during cutscenes, and other SeeDs were on par with normal Galbadia soldiers during the Garden battle.

>>323248554
She's so powerful because one man's delusional state couldn't see his waifu being anything but the number one, all-time-ever character created in any series. Tell him another FF character could beat up his waifu and he'd have a mental episode and scream about roses and how she's the strongest ever because he said so.

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>>323255283
>>323255196
Oh yeah.
I totally forgot Laguna existed and that was Squall's real background.

I haven't played the game since 200X and had it in my head that since Edea turned out to be the woman running the orphanage and Cid being super fatherly towards Squall that they were his parents.

Completely forgot the entire Eshtar side of the plot

>>323235012
Lightning isn't a super soldier

She is just a regular cop that then gets cursed and gains magic powers, then she becomes a death goddess and then she becomes gods saviour

>>323244474
Zidane isn't the perfect Angel of Death. Mikoto is. Mikoto is the final production model for Garland's Angels of Death.

>>323255892
The majority of things that happened wouldn't have happened if Basche didn't betray his brother way before the events of the game

>>323249051
Toriyama angered Odin the day he dared shove his pink-haired cocksleeve of a waifu into his realm.

>>323253786
Pretty much every Scion died at the end of the 2.X storyline. Yshtola managed to cast an old forbidden teleport spell and escape but got stuck in the lifestream for a while until the warrior of light manages to pull her out part way through Heavensward. She survived but there are side effects to the process.

>>323256038
>not superhuman during cutscenes
>took a massive ice spear through the chest and lived

>>323250085
more like it's part of her character to assume that everyone else is incompetent except for her.

Her learning to depend on others is a big part of her character arc. Except she just has that epiphany on on her own under Palumpolum while Hope just watches.

>>323244637
>Meteor/Derplander/Warrior of Darkness
>Everyone else

>>323246698
Noctis will probably be one of the strongest but his powers are also his weakness because they are slowly killing him and accelerating his aging

>>323256237

gabranth betrayed basch and killed the king, not the other way round

>>323256038
>Squall isn't superhuman during cutscenes
Nigga please, excuse me? He jumps down like 60 feet to anime slice a guy in half who was about to kill Zell

Don't get me started on how this cocky motherfucker's starting exam was to go into a fire cave of death and submit Ifrit to his will. That shit's canon. You can't just ignore it.

THESE NIGGAS HAVE T-REXES IN THEIR TRAINING FACILITY, FOR FUCK'S SAKES.

>>323254372
Yuna and Auron do all the heavy lifting for him.

>>323244185
Why is Y'shtola always drawn with this cat.

>>323256439
I'm talking about before that. Haven't you ever questioned why Basch is in dalmasca and not his brother? When their country was destroyed he betrayed Gabranth and their mother to flee to some shit country that had nothing to do with that current war.

>>323256387
Healed by Edea.

>>323256469
More gameplay stuff.

If SeeDs are super soldiers, then why can't they overpower normal soldiers in one on one combat?

https://youtu.be/j3yngLPkA2U?t=3m57s

>>323245434
>Shantotto
>weakest


I don't even like her and that's not true at all. Bitch can fling Ancient magics like they're spitballs and travel across dimensions because she's bored.

>people say Lightning is strong
>she can't even defend her Toblerone bars

>>323235012
Am I the only one who likes normal underdogs without superpowers or some sort of flashy ancestry? Why does everybody need to be some sort of weird half-alien, half-god who's the son of a legendary warrior?

Down-on-their-luck average joe characters who rise to spectacular heights through adventures and experiences are much more interesting.

>>323255256

https://youtu.be/HKWhMkYiiEo?t=925

>>323256643
That's not gameplay stuff, at least not the jumping to save Zell and the S.e.e.d exam of capturing Ifrit.

Also did you forget that they are fighting another Garden there, not just "normal soldiers" ?

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>>323256643
You wanna know who fell more than 60 feet and came out just fine?

>>323256643
Those were Garden students, not full-fledged SeeDs. Balamb only has like 30 or so ranked SeeDs. And even then not EVERY SeeD is assigned a GF

And even if he was healed by Edea (I don't remember it saying this) the way that spear hit him he should have died instantly.

>>323256714
She literally killed the god of the FF13 universe

>>323238375
yes. the game ends at FF1s opening.

>>323244474
>shouldn't he have some kind of super Trance form superior to Kuja's
No, because Zidane's Trance is just his natural one while Kuja's Trance was powered by all the souls captured by the Invincible.

>>323249051
>>323251279
>>323256119
Oh Toriyama.

>>323256721
Then play Ys.

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>>323256387
>lived

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>>323235251
>FF2
>FF8
>FF12
>good

>>323256721
People tend to self-insert and your average person would rather fantasize about being born into success rather than having to work for it. This shit was common in fiction since it's inception too.

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>>323244637
Setting aside that this is silly and I haven't played XIV or XIII-2 and LR, Shantotto's ridiculously powerful. Party members get high level over maybe months' worth of events and she's ancient.

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>>323254904

>>323256930

He will always be a reminder of what it's like to actually take waifu-ism seriously, in the real world, and be given a position of power to impose her upon others. While it's great for making fun of, holy shit is it actually scary when you really get down to it.

>>323244637

at the start of their games, or at the end? battle wise, or lore wise?

>>323256813
Confirmed for never playing the game. Those are just normal Galbadia soldiers.

>>323256857
Squall has three GFs before becoming a SeeD.

And yes, they all have their own. Anyone training to become a SeeD does. GFs are the only thing that makes them noteworthy.

>>323255812
FF12 makes me think they plagiarized Skies of Arcadia. Vaan is a shitty Vyse and Penelo is a shitty Aika.

>>323235012
Firion is a super rebel, Squall is a chosen one and Vaan is Aladdin.

>>323257475
>those are just normal Galbadia soldiers

Who is to say they don't use GFs? They use magic, they must have GFs. That's how that world's rules work.

>>323235012
>Tidus is a dream made in the image of a supersoldier
wat

>>323257784
Gonna play devil's advocate here and say that it's never explicitly stated that GFs are required for para-magic

>>323257784
Para-magic can be used independently of GF. Read the in game database.

>>323257368
Hes getting to the point that hes going to will her into existence.

>>323254965
>You seem to be ignoring the fact that even if our protagonist and his crew did nothing, crazy ass Seymour was still planning on becoming the new Sin and purposefully killing EVERYONE on Spira.
Without that damn meddling dream he would've gotten away with it, too.

>That feel when FF Tactics is taking place in FFXII's distant future, a futures where all the furries died and all the technological wonders that were present in FFXII are now myths and legends.

>>323235012
>Tidus is a dream made in the image of a supersoldier
No, he's an athlete. He could barely swing a sword at first.
>Lightning is a supersoldier
Nope. Just a normal soldier and not even in the military combat sense.

>>323258640
For having furries or scalies, Ivalice (XII) seemed like a pretty cool place with some actual comfy spots like Hunter's Camp or Balfonheim.

>>323235012
Tidus just played future soccer, he wasn't any sort of supersoldier, and never became one

Firion is part of the rebel alliance.
Who give a fuck about Squall.
Vaan is the fill-in because Squeenix thought XII wouldn't sell with Basch because Vagrant Story didn't sell.

>>323235012
Cloud isn't a super soldier though. If you actually played any of the games, you'd see how wrong you are.

>>323259131
But Ashley was just as much a fuccboi as Vaan

>>323259435
He still got mako treatment and was infused with Jenova cells. He's not SOLDIER, but he was an attempt at recreating Sephiroth without needing to grow him from a babby.

>>323259435
>LE HE DOESN'T HAVE JENOVA CELL MANE AND DOESN'T USE MATERIA
ok

>>323259435
He's a mako enhanced soldier who gained all of Zacks abilities so yes he is

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>>323259435
He met the physical requirements but failed the psych exam. He was eventually subjected to the same treatments as the super soldiers and it broke his mind. His mind eventually got better. Cloud is a super soldier in every regard save the paperwork.

>>323259662
Where is it stated that he failed the psych exam? I thought he only fails and no further details are given.

>>323244637
Shantotto and Prishe for strongest.

Onion Knight for shit tier.

>>323259768
Cloud
"I'm physically built like someone on SOLDIER."
"You see, someone in SOLDIER isn't simply exposed to Mako energy."
"Their bodies are actually injected with Jenova cells......"
"For better or for worse, only the strong can enter SOLDIER."
"It has nothing to do with the Jenova Reunion."
"But weak people...... like me, get lost in the whole thing."

Its important to note that Cloud's weakness isn't physical. He is mentally weak. This is an overarching theme in FFVII that culminates in the battle of wills in the Lifestream at the end.

Other Sephiroth clones are shown to be physically capable, like the Guy Who Are Sick who has athletic trophies in his shack. Weak minded individuals aren't permitted into SOLDIER because they get lost in Jenova's, and eventually Sephiroth's, will.

>>323247632
>all these people putting anyone other than bartz, and the protagonists from ffxi and ffxiv at the top

Confirmed for not playing the games.

>putting lightning at the top ever

Confirmed for worst taste of all time.

>>323260258
>Other Sephiroth clones are shown to be physically capable, like the Guy Who Are Sick
Wait, that guy is a Sephiroth clone?

>>323260928

yes. every single one of the black blobs are sephiroth clones

>>323260928
Yep. He heads off for the reunion right before the plate falls.

>>323260928
Are you forgetting the fact that he had a number 2 tattoo?

>>323258863
Yeah and Tactic's Ivalice felt like a shitty place to live

>>323261178
>>323261112
>>323261023
Well why wasn't he with the others in Nibelheim?

>>323262159

because he probably went home after he got experimented on?

hojo's experiment would require dropping people off at different areas to see if they actually did migrate towards the core of jenova

>>323260757
I don't like Lightning but she's fucking overpowered dude.

Also the MMOs don't count IMO.

What makes Bartz so strong?

>>323262159
We never really get to see all the clones at once because they all had varying rates of progress getting across the planet and many likely died along the way.

Also Nibelheim mostly showcased Nibelheim townsfolk as they responded to the call.

>>323262385

he's near the bottom if you don't take into account battle. if you do take into account battle, he's only above Warrior of Light and possibly Onion

>>323262884
Really, he's above characters like Squall and Tidus who can do hundreds of thousands of damage with relatively low effort?

>>323263190

i'm not really sure how you got that from my comment

>>323263363
I misread you, I thought you were saying he was top :^)

>>323250723
>worst VIT stat
>worst MAG stat
>not even the best STR stat

the only one with shittier stat growth was Fran.

>>323251142

He's too broken

>highest STR
>2nd highest MAG
>2nd highest SPD
>highest VIT
>has outright faster animations for his attacks than the other party members even when using the same weapons

>>323251701

You're forgetting how powerful Kuja became when he attained full-power Trance.

Zidane only could temporarily control his Trance like the others.

>>323242864
Oh, fuck, this game is so good
The first time I played it I was actually surprised Ashe and Vaan didn't end up together, I was pleasantly surprised it wasn't so typical

if we're going by lore, each character at their peak:

Lightning
Shantotto
Terra
Zidane
Y'shtola
Cloud
Cecil
Squall
Firion
Onion Knight
Tidus
Bartz
Vaan
Warrior of Light

power levels tend to favor casters