What does /v/ think of the unpopular Megaman Zero games?

One of the best things that ever happened to megaman.

I don't think they're particularly unpopular. That said I think they're shit. I love the classic series, and I really like the original Mega Man X (X2 wasn't too bad), but the Zero games irritate the fuck out of me. I dislike the art direction, I think the story is needlessly emphasized, the limited field of view combined with the level design is grating. I tried. I really wanted to like them.

>>323229427
I fucking love em. Wish there were more games that were like it. I want there to be a metroidvania style game with this game's pace.

>>323229427
I'm at the end of Z3 right now and i'm asking myself how did I beat this as a kid.

>>323231951
the only thing I like about the zero games is the difficulty, everything else is absolute shit like you said

>>323232375
they're THAT hard?

>>323229427
>unpopular
Are they really?

>>323229427
i actually cried at the ending of z3.


Really good game

>>323232658
>First is the introduction
>Second is the hardest
>Third is the easiest
>Fourth is the retard filter

>>323233268
>Second is the hardest
for the most part
it's a shame Z2's final boss is such a joke

>>323231951
>I dislike the art direction, I think the story is needlessly emphasized, the limited field of view combined with the level design is grating.

While I agree with this I think the combat, music and difficulty make up for it. Give it another chance anon, I didn't like them at first either. Mostly due to the fact that I didn't really like Zero as a character.

>>323233268
>Fourth is the retard filter
Retard filter?

Not a single bad game in the series.

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>>323232790
Only time I hear this series really mentioned, it involves how they butchered Zero's design from pic related.

>>323232658
No it's just that i died to Zero and now i have to redo the boss rush agian. That a bit frustrating.

>>323233630
At the same time they gave him the best moveset he ever had.
Gameplay > graphics

>>323229427
I like it more than most of the megaman games because of the dash,

>>323233525
Yeah, the Phoenix fight is amazing.

>>323233582
To avoid instakills, you need to think more than in other games. One of the final bosses attacks is avoided by grabbing onto their horn. Element attacks are skills.

>>323229427
Pretty good, awful artstyle but good games. Is is wrong I never cared about rank?

>>323232658
Play Megaman Zero 1. Post back if you survive the first stage with no deaths.

Get yourself some ice cream if you beat the submarine stage with only two deaths.

Buy a new vidya if you survive the bomb squad stage with only three deaths.

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>>323233916
It's the ultimate challenge. Getting S rank in all missions is insanely satisfying.
>>323233738
Still a great boss fight.

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>>323229427
Best Mega Man series by far.

>>323234317
do not sexualize ciel

>>323234243
This. Wouldn't be satisfied if I didn't get all S Ranks on my second play through.

Who Codename: Immortal Edgeman here?

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>>323234373
You can't tell me what to do.

>>323229427
I like them.
Though I personally have the most trouble going back to them as opposed to other series, because I tend to get into the ranking system too hard and the grind to get a perfect (or near-perfect) run of a given stage burns me off much faster than just playing.
They are very high quality games, but I find them the most difficult to just "pick up and play".

>>323233870
>Phoenix Magnion
Cheese and crackers this thing was way too hard for mid game.

>>323235535
He was in the beginning. He was Z2s normie filter. Could you imagine a DmC style Heaven and Hell mode in this game?

>>323232375
+1, tried to replay Z2 and felt like a fucking loser for playing like garbage even though I'd finished the game when I was 12

>>323235535
I love the lines he'd shout out during his moves, and then how they'd change when low on health. I love that shit in any game when people actually talk mid fight.

>>323234159
>Bomb Squad Stage
Oh man, that's some serious PTSD shit, especially during the part with the moving platforms

>>323234889
Just did faget fite me irk

>>323235535
>Phoenix magneion
>hard
He was tough but not really too bad I remember, I also used weaknesses like a scrub so that's probably just me. He was more annoying than difficult in my opinion with his stupid gimmick where you have to wait to attack him.

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>>323236119

>those cameo attacks

>>323236167
>Jump
>Jump
>Dodge Shockey thing
>Jump
>Spider
>Die

>>323236532
>Jump
>Jump
>Destroy Bomb
>Can't fully see moving platforms below
>Slip while trying to get vision
>Die

Too many times

>>323229427
The games are really fuck but the fucking problem with them is you have to get an S if you want the bosses power, which involves you having to repeat a stage a million times till you can speed run it without getting hurt.
If you actually get the boss moves they are fun, and the game itself feels very similar to megamanX in movement.

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Probably one of the few people that actually like the art style. Love this guys works.

>>323236970
You only needed A rank anon

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>>323236993
Is it this artist? This gay kawaii ugu anime bullshit is too wrong for something like Megaman

>>323237557
Have you ever looked at classic megaman concept art? I think Zero has that artstyle because the story is the darkest in the series, it needed something to lighten it up.

>>323233630
Zero series has better art in general. X art starts out okay get's absolutely retarded in the middle and then gets better at 8. Honestly I hate a ton of maverick designs from X.

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>>323235778
>DmC
I know you meant well but please avoid the lowercase m in the future.

>>323234243
I did it and yes it was great.

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>>323237557

Hitoshi Ariga still remains as my favorite Mega Man artist.

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>>323237557
>Gay kawaii uGu anime bullshit
>not exactly right for megaman
The only way to revive the series is to leverage megaman's natural cuteness

>>323238364
Ariga is great. Not too fond of that Roll and Light, but his Mega Man and robot master's are great.

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>>323237557
>Is it this artist?
I believe so, his art style isn't always "kawaii". Pic related is and >>323236993 are from his blog, going by the pen name Peach Class. I guess he's using his real name on pixiv.

Z2 was the one with the invisible ice platform mission, right?
Felt so good to beat that.

>Mega Man Zero
>unpopular
I'm not sure any of the Mega Man spinoffs are unpopular. Maybe ZX and ZX Advent?

>>323236532
>>Get shivved by surprise boss
>>Manage to win
>>Jump
>>Jump
>>Destroy Bomb
>>Can't fully see moving platforms below
>>Slip while trying to get vision
>>Die
>>Restart
>>Can find the last one
>>Grand Canyon warehouse in goes up in smithereens
Fixed that for me.

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And his work from pixiv.

>>323237557
>gay kawaii uguu
He's the most grimdark artist that ever touched the franchise

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>>323239116
I like his version Batman.

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>>323238028
You were saying?

>>323239776
that is one terrifying joker

>>323229427
Great gameplay, shit artstyle and story.

1 had some good ideas as well as some poor ones that slightly ruined the experience. 2 removed some of the poor ideas and introduced some more good ones. 3 perfected the series. 4 had some grindy bullshit and was pretty much made just to finish off the series for good.

I loved how the buster and sabre could be used seamlessly with one another. Are there any other games like it?

>>323239817
That isn't a devil may cry game, it's a casual cancerous watered down mess. Don't post it again.

These are my all time favorite games, OP.

It's a shame they suck to emulate since you need dem shoulder buttons.

God Tier Boss Fights
>Fenrir
>Phantom
>Copy X
>Phoenix
>Beetle Bros.
>Childre Inarabita (Blue guy from oceanic highway)
>Phantom again
>Copy X again
>Omega
>Yourself

God teir missions
>All of them

For even more fun, do these on Hard Mode.

I'm in the middle of a hard mode S rank run and it is exhilarating.

>>323240946
But its Heaven and Hell Mode is pretty solid.

>>323233268
I second that

2 and 3 were my favorite. I don't even think I finished 4 it was so bad.

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>>323229427
>unpopular
Sure it's not the most popular but it's gotten more of a cult following over the years close to Battle Networks

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>>323233630
Cry more green tits fan
personally I love them both but I can't stand when people shit on the GBA Zero

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>>323242134
Is the art of this series really that bad? You warm up to it the more you see, actually.

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>>323237557
>This gay kawaii ugu anime bullshit is too wrong for something like Megaman
Please bitch, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the art direction the MMZ games took and had the best boss designs out of any Megaman game.
I like the designer of the X series designs but come on, don't kid yourself
>>323242576
It's one of the best, loud X fans just hate to acknowledge it because Zero lost his boobs

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I only played 2. It was fantastic. Fucking fantastic, probably top 10 for GBA, maybe top 5. I can't praise it highly enough.

>>323242576
Nah, I like it fine, I even like the story up until Zero 4. The series to me is the total package.

>>323229427
this is my favorite series, i would kill for a hd remake or something on modern consoles

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>>323242576
Agreed

>>323243451
>>323243541
Get the collection for DS

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>>323240910
>shit artstyle and story.
Better than X's Sigma coming back in almost every game.
Zero series wrapped itself up before it turned into a convoluted mess X became

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>>323243282
I just found out there's a manga adaptation, actually. What the fuck is wrong with the art there?

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>>323243834
we don't talk about the manga

>>323243823
It certainly didn't leave Zeros fate ambiguous. I really liked the character of Harpuia

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So what did everyone think about the ZX series?

ZX3 never

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>>323243834
>Zero Manga
Oh boy, you in for a ride on this one.

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>>323244292
never because Capcom hates Megaman now for some reason.

If anyone can explain that reason anyway. They're showing lots of love for Resident Evil lately but what happened to their real cash making franchise?

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Let me see if I can sum up Megaman's plot, since Zero seemed to play a big role in it.

>Classic
Wily wants to rule the world. Megaman says no.
>X
Everyone died, except for like a few people. Everyone goes Coldsteel the Edgehog and X has to kill them and their leader Sigma
>Zero
X finally stops Sigma with the cyber elves, dies in the process except he doesn't, Zero is revived, kills Weil, saved the world. Ciel creates refractor technology.
>ZX
I'M NOT ZERO! I'M MY ORIGINAL CHARACTER, BLERO
>Legends
Someone left the toilet running and flooded the whole world. The mary sues from ZX make the reaverbtos and master system to fix everything. Trigger goes rogue trying to stop the systemic carbon genocide.

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>>323244690
You never played ZX, didn't you

>>323244292
It's my favorite series.
Ashe best girl
ZX3 never.

>>323229427
I've never played them but I love Zero's design

>>323244690
>Classic
Pretty much
>X
They went against their programming and were dubbed Mavericks. X does die.
>Zero
Energy Crisis forces some to rebel or become a victim of genocide. Zero is revived and saves everyone, then weil appears, then both die.
>ZX
Pretty Much with the exception of biometals being bretty gud shit.
>Legends
...

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>>323244884
>mfw I just now realized model f is a girl.

>>323244292
Nice idea, the moveset of the Zero games being used in a Metroidvania seems great on paper. Although the map system was awful and the world was poorly designed so you had a shit ton of unnecessary backtracking. It seems that people who make Metroidvanias seem to think that backtracking is what defines the genre, when it isn't (which is a shame).

>>323241694
Do us a favor and kill yourself

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>>323244292
>it's been nine years since ZX Advent

>>323244403
damn, it's hard to believe that's real. That's worse than the Kingdom Hearts manga adaptations if you ever read those.

>>323246196
The guy reset the world, we have to wait real-time for them to build another civilization.

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>>323244690
The one thing I've learned from playing/watching any form of media that took over a decade to develop is that usually one series spawns off of a direction they wanted to take characters that they couldn't before. For example in the original Gundam they had two siblings, a brother & sister, that were the heirs of a fallen peaceful dictatorships that wanted to pursue peaceful situations instead of waging giant robot wars. The Brother ends up waging war as an ace pilot and the Sister ends up pushing for peace. However the sister's VA had better shit to do and never returned to her role in any sequels, and since you practically own your character once you VA for it in Japan the relationship was ruined.
Then Gundam Wing happened and thats a series that prominently features a Brother & a Sister of a fallen peaceful dictatorship and the Brother is an ace pilot and the sister sues for peace. Zechs has a lot of Char's features and even pursues the same crazy plan of dropping an asteroid onto earth.

So in Megaman Zero I can only imagine that Infaune's original vision for the MMX series that Capcom would never allow was that Zero developed away from his Wily origins, just like he does in MMZ, and that X becomes corrupted or infected with the Zero Virus and Zero regrettably has to fulfill his original purpose of killing X.
Then we see his Zero > Omega plotline unfold in MMZ3, the idea then being that Zero is stripped of everything besides his primary weapon and has to overcome himself at the height of his most evil/most powerful.
Essentially these things made up the plot of X5, which appears to be the actual intended finale to the X series before they forced X6 and slapped enough shit together to make an X7 and X8.

>>323244292
Overworlds a shit. I just wanted to play megaman.

>>323246601
To be fair, the original story of the first Zero actually had real X be the villian and not copy X. X was supposed to have come to the idea that the only way for there to be peace was under a totalitarian rule and zero would have to kill him.

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>>323247238
Fits my head canon perfectly, was probably the intention all along.

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>>323247764
I like the original story a lot too actually. the artbook sheds a shitload of light on the series as a whole.

I know it is fan art, but I feel like this design would have been much better for the final fight with Omega

>>323247238
I would have been fine either way.

I can respect that the route they took at least has X dead dead. If he got another body out something, I would have screamed.

>>323248307
I agree, though I can understand why they didn't.

Love the Zero series to death, they're so good and fun.
Also love the X(never played X7-8) and ZX games

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>>323248905
X8 is okay honestly, not great but still good. 7 had so much fucking potential that they threw into the fucking gutter. I'm still mad...

>>323248307
Fighting the original armor would've probably highlighted the point a lot better.

If anything I'm surprised that between 4 games that Zero never regained some semblance of his old form.
X got new armors, why not a downgraded Zero? Didn't Rock have some armor upgrade in one of the games?

>>323248483
I was okay with Copy X & Real X being a vagrant program.
There was a non-canon character called Irregular X who was an X from another dimension that becomes evil, it's just X but evil so who cares that it isn't the Real one.

It was odd that Real X evaporated after awhile.

>>323249250
Copy X just had different forms if you mean the Zero series X, but I agree.

I thought Elf X sacrificed himself for zero or some shit. Maybe he did something to the mother elf or something, I don't really remember.

>>323246601
>>323247238
It's worth noting that Inafune never wrote much for the series and wasn't even part of the team that did X5, X5 and X6 were by a new team trying to start their own plotline based on hints of Wily's involvement as Serges in X2 before being kicked off for another team for X7. Personally I think those games had potential but that was the point where Capcom was forcing out 4-5 or more Mega Man games a year so I doubt they were even given much development time. That's probably what led to X6's quality more than anything else. Inti Creates never had any connection to any of the other Mega Man development teams, they were just really good at adapting to other happenings in the series, they're really big fans and it shows. They decided not to make X the villain and changed a lot of the story of Zero 1 in the last month of development just because they didn't like it, they were allowed to go wild with the Zero series and felt like that was the point where they went too far even though Inafune was fine with whatever they did.

Really I think the whole X series is kind of a mess with all the people that had been involved in it and Capcom's general business practices, Inti Creates handled the franchise better than anyone. If we ever get anymore Mega Man games I'd love to see them working on the series again.

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Guys what was so bad about X7 other than Flame Hyenard since it's all people want to bring up

>>323249638
The controls for the 3d are bad at the best of times, the dialogue as a whole are pretty bad with Hyenard being the BIG standout.

Over all it is still a playable game and fairly enjoyable, you just have to take it with a grain of salt.

>>323249628
After watching the 'Mighty No. 9' drama I'm just seeing Inafune as more and more of a hack

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>>323236993
Fuck the Haters. His art style is great.

>>323250115
I doubt he even does as much as they make it seem for MN9, there's probably a reason no one ever talks about the actual director of the game. His biggest role in Mega Man is design lead for EXE Operate Shooting Star which is known for being a terrible remake. He had some game design position for Star Force 2 and 3 as well but it wasn't anything as big. Inafune was mostly an artist at first and supervised other teams later and that's as far as his involvement really goes, he really doesn't deserve any of the credit for the games people think he's part of.

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Shhh, she's sleeping.