Project M died for this

>Project M died
but people still play it

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>>323218461
>hurr modders will never ever get a job they're wasting their time

Good on them.

>>323218461
Lierally who?

>>323218806
>but people still play it
lol

PM guys should just go into Sm4sh.
oh wait.. too hard for them

>>323218806
PM players only show up to the few Majors they still have and that's it. My locals are just throwing PM side tourneys at Melee events instead now

>>323218461
what's genesis 3 and why should i care

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>>323218461
Where is Genesis 3 even located? I know it's in Commiefornia, but that's all.

SM4ASH WON
W
O
N
C L O U D

>>323220714
Largest Smash(only) Tournament of all time.

1840 Melee entrants
1098 Smash 4 entrants
239 Smash 64 entrants

>>323218927
You're retarded. Genesis is the name of a smash tourney. It has nothing to do with PM modders.

>>323218461
All this means are ads

>Let us run Splatoon ads during Top 8 and contribute virtually nothing to the actual tournament or else we shut down your stream

>partnership with NoA announced
>twitter/reddit/vee comments are all snide and sarcastic with "oh boy splatoon ads!!!" and "2 dollar pot bonus hype!!"

how you know your brand is poisoned 101

even some of the biggest nintendrone hives have basically turned their back

>>323218461
No üroject M died because the ones working on it were full blown autist because it didnt even come to their mind that it might have legal consequences at some point until someone pointed it out to them.

>>323222492
It's basically legal extortion, Nintendo contributes absolutely nothing to any tournament they "partner" with and it forces the TOs to ban PM and 20XX, censor their commentators and shit up Top 8 with crappy ads no one wants to hear for the millionth time.

>>323218461
What does this have to do with PM ceasing development?

>>323218461
Maybe they'll finally release melee on vc.

>>323223138
They with help set up equiment at Apex.

>>323220741
San Jose.
It's a pretty good city if you don't mind chinks, really.

>>323225773
They should provide setups, but they never do.

Oh I've gotta watch this fucking mess. This is gonna be cringe incarnate. Watching the commentators sell their souls on camera is always hilarious.

>>323221220
Is Brawl even on it?

>>323226475
Nope not enough people wanted it.

>>323227213
Kek

>>323222448
Free setups is a godsend to TOs.

>>323225875
They did at apex.
They even did at cvga last month, a significantly smaller tournament.

>partnered

The fuck does that even mean? Will they provide pot bonuses? Setups? A/V equipment?

Because Nintendo's past history with supporting tournaments points to all of those answers being "No".

>>323228379
Setups most likely and nothing else.

>>323225773
No, they didn't. That was Twitch.
>>323227928
No, they didn't. That was Games Generation.

Nintendo doesn't provide shit to tournaments.

>>323228379
They'll give them a tweet to help promote it

At the moment, this announcement could mean anything. Or it could just be that they will continue to do what they've been doing just with Nintendo overseeing it and raising awareness, so it could also mean nothing.

>>323228550
Well they did at CVGA.
Maybe Nintendo of Canada is just based.

WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH SM4SH WON

>>323220808
>SM4ASH WON SWONC CLOUD

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>post yfw we have to sit through another top 8 with d1 at the helm

>>323220808
>>323229307
>>323229240
???

>>323229916
>"DESTRU-OH NO WAIT OHHH OHHH YEAADESTRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCTIOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAALALALLALAALALALAAAAAN"

YHWH CONFIRMED FOR SMASH 4

>>323220741
I live near where that's being located. Someone told me there's also a fucking furry convention at around the same time frame in a separate part of the building. Might as well fucking nuke that building to get rid of all the degenerates at once. I can't even imagine how bad the smell would be with both Smash NEETs and furfags.

Question is there a scenario in which the community might stop partnering with Nintendo since it is doing more harm than good.

>>323232778
Nintendo doesn't give big tournaments that choice its either partner with us or we shut your stream down

>>323232778
No, its only the other way around.

>>323229916
Great, more forced, autistic yellings of "destruction"

>>323229916
>>323230140
>>323233485
>hating on d1
Doc kids please go. He's much better than Scar and Toph talking about their dinner or drive home in the middle of grands.

>>323220029
Obvious b8

>>323234704
All the good black commentators became PG sellouts for tr4sh. Smash scene was 10x better without Nintendo and the shitty #esports filter.

>>323234963
He's right tho
>>323235271
>2016
>still saying tr4sh unironically

>Melee is an amazing game with flaws but the fundamental design choices still shit on most modern vidya.
>It created its own sub genre and has a huge competitive following.
> Nintendo does fuck all to help the community and refuses to expand on the potential games like Melee had.

Nintendo a shit.

>>323235271
>Smash scene was 10x better without Nintendo

Without Nintendo, a "Smash scene" wouldn't even exist, because there'd be no Smash Bros.

>>323235753
That's more Sak's fault if anything, the man really doesn't like the competitive Smash scene

>>323228550
Except the existence of the game they play. You know, the most important thing.

Rivals of Aether.

>>323235906
I obviously meant without Nintendo intervening in the Smash community so that they could shill Smash 4 and uses popular commentators. Many of them had stopped talking about Project M entirely because they probably got gagged in a contract.

>>323222568
>modification of existing game
>completely noncommercial

literally did nothing wrong

consoles are just shit

>>323236539

think it'll be there?

what blows is that the console port is (gonna be) Xbone exclusive, im guessing since the creator Fornace worked on MS' Killer Instinct before going independent

Can a tournament just have the balls to say fuck Nintendo and agree to not stream?

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>>323237563
"Nah, fuck your money, Nintendo. Also fuck the ad revenue I'd get from my stream" said no TO ever

>>323237563
>Not streaming the largest tournament of the year
People would like that even less

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>>323235753
A better questions is why the fuck is Smash the only serious platform fighter out there?

There's Rivals of Furrys, and a few shitty steam indies, but I cannot believe that with melee and PMs widespread success, no one has bothered to make a game with unique IPs seriously geared towards the competitive community.

I'd do it if I could

>>323238447
because melee and pm are good enough to not bother making other games in the genre

>>323218461
Whats genesis 3? The sega console?

>>323238689

No.

But no one would give the game a chance anyways because it doesn't have everyone's fav nintendo chars.

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>>323238689
Except PM has been assraped by Nintendo and Melee's metagame is gradually staling. At some point melee is going to devolve into an even smaller point of viable characters and playstyles and people will lose interest, like every fighting game.

Another game would also make Nintendo sweat, and maybe persuade them into Melee HD or a similar competitive title.

Plus there's no way smash nerds wouldn't buy a game with cute anime girls and melee esque-play.

>>323239067
People have tried and people have failed not because it didn't have the likes of Mario but because they were shitty games. Some Smash tourneys have been giving Aether a shot so that's a start I guess

>>323239524

The only real smash clone we've gotten was Playstation allstars and that was honestly a fun game(but only in doubles).

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>>323239453
>Melee's metagame is gradually staling

I remember some guy on /v/ telling me this in 2007. Funny how that turned out. Did you know Melee's top characters have only expanded in the last few years?

>>323238447
She used to be cute, what went wrong?

>>323239453
>>Plus there's no way smash nerds wouldn't buy a game with cute anime girls and melee esque-play.
Wasn't there some game called Airdash that completely flopped?

>>323236434

And they can do that without the need for worthless "partnerships".

>>323240250
That wasn't anime.
And it was ugly as fuck and had a very poor gameplay demo and the kickstarter was $355k.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1289882404/air-dash-online-the-competitive-platform-fighter
See for yourself.

>>323239453
>Hax's hands are dead
I don't play LoL but apparently he's #1 Twisted Fate in NA and like Top 500 rank?

>>323240178
>Did you know Melee's top characters have only expanded in the last few years?
Bullshit. The only character we've seen rise the tier list has been Yoshi, and he still sucks ass.

>>323236891
I think it has more to do with Microsoft playing nicer with indies and giving them more resources for publishing than Nintendo/Sony.

Though I'd kill to see a Vita version.

>>323239524
JUS came pretty close but
>Can summon assists in hitstun
Whoever allowed that happen needs to be barred from ever touching vidya again

>>323238327
This is the problem. In this situation, Nintendo have positioned themselves as the "necessary evil", rather than the positive force.

>>323235994
He explicitly called Smash 4 competitive in the final direct, though, so there's that.

>>323240546
Well disabled people can play League so yeah...

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>>323241236
How? Nintendo at the very least provides setups and why would a TO turn that down to support a mod that isn't even supported by the official dev team anymore?

>>323240504
wow, that looked like complete shit.

>>323241997
>Nintendo at the very least provides setups

No, they don't. Read the thread.

>>323242235
Either way, there's some cash involved and rejecting it to support a dead mod is retarded

>>323228379
>implying

It means Gimr is getting payed to have Nintendo ads between matches on top8

>>323242437
There's literally no evidence that they're providing money.

Knowing the shit they pulled at Evo 2013 and with PM it's far more likely they're just extorting the tournament in order to run ads.

>>323218461

literally who?

>>323242614
>Gimr
Showdown is streaming Genesis.

>>323239453
He has insomnia

>>323242642
and that could give both party money.

>>323242893
Great contribution friend.

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>>323218461
PM dudes are having their own national tomorrow though.

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>>323242750
thank goodness

>>323243134
>implying spencer isn't also an edgy tryhard faggot
There are no good smash streamers.

WHO /ATTENDING/ HERE?

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>>323226475
>that feel when you have brawl fags on your normie book crying about it

Feels great

>>323243256
GeekyGoonSquad

>>323234963
Smash 4 beats Melee by FAR. No exploiting the game to create imaginary complexity, just straight up skill in smash 4

>>323242893
>>323240546

>>323243256
There's Liva in GGS

>>323218461
CAN'T FUCKING WAIT FOR SPLATOON AND SM4SH ADDS DURING MELEE TOP 8

NINTENDO IS DOING LITERALLY NOTHING FOR THE EVENT as far as I'm aware

>>323243419
>d-throw to up air
>skill

>>323231387
>those posts on the event FB page asking if you can fursuit during your match

>>323243256
>GIMR: Greedy jew who's stream sucks a major dick
>Showdown: alright but most of the shit they upload isn't worth watching
>Team Oxy: have to deal with crismon blur on commentary
>Clash: chibo is an annoying faggot and doesn't stream shit

Hmmm...
Are there any good smash streamers. Showdown's stream is usually pretty great.

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I've never actually played Project M.

>>323243470
Liva cries for money on twitter despite not streaming shit and is threading to quit. He's a retard for not traveling and streaming Armada/Leffen locals twice a week.

He does have god tier production quality though.

>>323229916
>D1

I've never hated someone more. He sounds so fucking bored all the time.
At this point I'd take toph and Scar. They're at least excited to be there.

Is it true that prog is showing up? He could potentially save the tournament if that's the case.

>>323243662
>despite not streaming shit
Probably because it's more difficult to actually have regular streams in Europe since locals are far less frequent and events take place in different countries.

>for not traveling and streaming Armada/Leffen locals
Isn't he fucking German or something? Armada and Leffen are in Sweden

they should have reggie and sakurai host the tournament

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>>323243419
>50/50 frame traps, guess wrong or you're dead: the game
>skill

>>323243662
He streams a lot but none of the euros give a shit they just take him for granted also GimR wiggled his way into streaming EVERY SINGLE fucking major in 2015 besides Dreamhack which was Liva but it wasnt on his channel so it didnt help him at all

>>323243852
Oh, I thought he was Swedish too since he has Armada so far up his ass.

Still, if he expects to make a career streaming he needs to have a weekly with ranked players.

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>>323240916
Hello.

Also, Ganondorf.

do the handful of commentators who commentate across several smash games even like Smash 4?

>>323239453
>melee's metagame is stagnating

I thought everything that could be done was already at Genesis 1. I'm pretty sure that's how most people felt. Hell if Armada never came to the states I'm sure that's what would have happened.

>>323218461
Literally who?

>>323243419
>d throw
>up air
>roll roll roll
>SUCH INTENSE SKILL

>>323244087
He's starting a weekly in Berlin next month I think. Unfortunately Ice is the only notable german and even then I dont think he'll pull numbers

>Nintendo (NoA at least) is possibly ever-so-slightly moving forward with Smash as an "eSport"
>Sakurai actively tries to dissuade people from playing Smash that way for whatever reason

nintendo's a many headed hydra with different goals

>>323240916
>yoshi
>pikachu
>samus

>>323243031
Great contribution friend.

>>323244178
Plup dropped Samus because he thinks she's sick and Hugs says he'll probably have to switch characters one he reaches top 10. The highest placing of a Samus ever was at Evo Worlds in 2007.

Ganon actually won a MLG back in the day, I don't see how he's risen at all. There are two Ganons on the top 100 this year.

>>323244212
I said gradually staling. We've obviously got a few more years of spacie optimization to go. Mark my words though, if Hax fixes his shit we'll see a new era of fox crap.

>>323244180
Only commentators I can think of are TK and EE, every other non-shit commentator thinks its boring

in a hypothetical Melee-HD world, would the PAL balance be the preferred standard? (without the Marth and Ganon nerfs im guessing?)

>>323244180
I think D1 likes the smash community in general. I question whether or not EE and TK like melee though. I heard TK bitching about the community on one of his streams.

>>323243415
No one watches GGS beause it's always a bunch of nobodies and Ice

>>323244679
>hax "the big cry baby" money
>ever winning

Hax is a fucking bitch man. Dude complains about fucking everything and he still doesn't win shit.

>>323243609
Tourney Locator is doing it's best for the community. They even try to support Brawl. They have good production values and host regional sized tournaments from time to time. Only bad thing is that some people don't like the commentators (jv and nebtune) but I think they're all right. Plus Wobbles gets on mic every once and a while.

>>323244806
Fuck Marth let him be nerfed. People bitch about Puff but he's the real braindead top tier.

I'd honestly like to see a rebalancing of the whole cast.

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>>323239453
Based Hax

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>>323245384

I'm convinced the PMDT got hit with a C&D and NDA at the same time. If the incoming lawsuit rumor was true, there was no reason for them to end like that.

>>323244930
I don't even care if he wins, his thought process of complete optimization is what matters.

Most top players don't actually care about pushing their character and just want to win using tried and true methods. Even Armada is lazy, his peach isn't nearly finished.

>>323243323
>Brawlfags
Who would do that to themselves?

>>323245678
>Even Armada is lazy, his peach isn't nearly finished.
Can you go more into detail?

>>323226475

Nahh because the people who played Brawl meta prefer PM and Nintendos cabal wont allow them to run tourneys.

>>323235271
>good black commentators
>good black
Just no. Black commentators always seem to be overhyped about shit, it's fucking annoying

>>323245862
Watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q86I4s7pkWg

There's are a lot of minor things and discretion between how to optimally play peach, but if you compare him and MacD you'll see how differently they handle individual situations.

But, the one thing that constantly sticks out to me is how he's inconsistent as fuck at edge-guarding anything except spacies. He likes uses turnips when they're suboptimal to aerials. It looks cool, but really edgeguarding everyone except marth should be a boring M2K esque flowchart.

He also doesn't fucking chaingrab spacies at every opportunity which really pisses me off.

What is this red pill bullshit? Nintendo provides setups this is fact. Oh not enough upvotes so lies keep getting passed around by a bunch of kids

>>323247046
>Nintendo provides setups this is fact.
If it's fact provide evidence.

wait, PM is the main smash I play with my friends.

What happened? They're no longer updating it?

>>323247529
It's dead.

>>323226475
All the Brawl players abandoned it for Smash 4, even 64 gets more entrants than Brawl these days. Deader than dead.

>>323247529
devs abandoned ship, supposedly because they had a tip they were about to receive a massive lawsuit if they kept working on it.

>>323247651
But what do you mean by dead? Not updating?

>>323247847
Yup the dev team left and stop updating.

>>323247815
Well that's a shame. At least they've delivered something far better than Nintendo's latest attempts by far. I'll still continue playing it because it's fucking awesome.

Can't wharf the dorf. Ganon mah nigga

>tfw I wanna stream smash
>tfw to poor to even afford a wii u
>have to play the shit version

>>323247046
>Nintendo provides setups this is fact
Isn't that just Gaming Generations? I know Nintendo gave them Wii U setups for APEX2015 but we knew about the Nintendo sponsorship with APEX for a while I think.

G3NESIS is in a week and they only now announced some the sponsorship, so Nintendo probably isn't doing jack for the tournament

>>323247529
Main rumor is that Nintendo was gonna C&D them when they released the next patch (3.6.1) so they just decided stopping everything was better than dealing with legal shit

>>323218461

So what are they working on?

It was my impression that they were leaving to make a Smash clone, but that can't possibly be the case now.

Unless they're working on Smash NX or something.

>>323248258
If it makes you feel better, no one watches smash streamers unless they're a top player or eceleb.

>>323248414

dude i'd be fucking stoked for a new Smash (NX) to hit shelves like 2017, a 3-years-later cycle like a lot of other major game series instead of one once every generation

melee came out 2.5 years after smash 64 so its not completely foreign for the franchise

>>323248782

I just don't know if Nintendo has enough trust in 3rd parties to let gaijinshi develop a heavy hitter like Smash Bros in the first place.

https://smash.gg/tournament/genesis-3/fantasy

Post your brackets

>>323249285
not in a million years.

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>>323249943
Pic related. Thoughts?

>mango and armada because genesis is so important to both of them
>plup because he had such a great 2015, somewhat worried about inconsistency though
>ice because other than tipped off he's more consistent than the players around his level
>wobbles because he's a great deal, got second at evo, recently won forte, and beat m2k last year
>ken because he's cheap since socal hates him, same with santi
>dj nintendo because he gets surprisingly good results for his price tier
>laudandus because he's a little tryhard, kind of worried about him choking though
>squid because no one is consistent at his level and he goes bleep bloop
>lovage because what an amazing fucking price
>nmw because again i don't know at his level and he gets 33rd place consistently

>>323248414
Why can't it be possible?

>>323249285

i was thinking more along the lines of Retro when it comes to developing Smash, who i do think Nintendo could trust. theyve done a great job with their other titles, as have Next Level Games

>>323252817
>american studio
>developing smash

top lel

>>323253932

yeah, i didnt mean to imply it was plausible

region doesnt matter, just please give it to a new, better director

>>323254045
Sakurai will never give up his baby until it's forced from him. He's so against losing his vision of the game.

>>323254285
It's hurting the game at this point

>>323255459
It's been hurting the game for a long time now. It doesn't really matter what the game is like, if it has Smash Bros. in the title it's going to sell, it's hardly an issue.

>>323255459
>at this point
Smash peaked in 2001.

When the fuck did melee get popular on /v/

I remember I was posting about Apex 2013 and I got nothin but shitposts.

Wait, I just remembered /v/ is shitposts.

Its good to be home

Im gonna spend my whole weekend watching this hope Nintendo doesn't shit it up