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What is it with /v/ and their massive hatred towards Dexterity based builds/weapons in Souls games?
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r1 spammers/katana fags/twinks all use dex
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>>323188647
Weebs and faggots go dex
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>>323188647
is literally a hur hur dex is shit meme
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>>323188647
Everyone wants to be guts
Fuck Griffith
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They're shit in PvE and either shit or overpowered in PvP
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If you're not playing dex you're not playing Souls properly. Str and heavy armor builds are on the same tier as being a mage.
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>>323188647
I want to be fuxked by a STR character
dexfags are literally gay though
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>>323188647
Did you literally just make that up?
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>>323189109
this
they are the easiest to play besides magic

>>323189119
not even close buddy
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>>323189109
>shit in PvE
The Falchion is fucking amazing. It's gotta be one of the highest damage weapons, probably the highest damage one. And the recovery is just not there, you can bail out anytime. Light weapon also means more armor.
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au... au .. autism
also carring about others?
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>>323188959
Weebs don't play souls games
The whole series is westaboo
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>>323189302
>It's gotta be one of the highest damage weapons, probably the highest damage one
what
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>>323189542
It's fast as fuck, hits like a truck and barely dents your stamina. And man if you enchant that baby, shit gets real crazy.
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>>323189542
per weight unit
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I like falchions and scimitars so I end up playing DEX usually in Dark Souls. Off-hand spears or bows are also a nice perk that STR lacks.

Thankfully Dark Souls 2 ruined scaling so badly that you could basically play anything effectively at equip stats. Maybe that'll carry into 3.
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is it dumb to go 50/50 strenght and dexterity?

thats what im currently doing in bloodborne...
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>>323189542
A buffed falchion does completely retarded levels of damage.
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>>323189982
STR and DEX softcap out at 40, not much point in going over
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I always go minmax buffed OP katana on my first playthrough.
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>>323188647
I'm playing a str build and dual wielding bastard swords, and the L1 attack is so shiiiit, it doesn't move you forward at all, and it doesn't correct its direction if you follow up with a 2nd attack, even if you point the stick in their direction.
Compare that to the Falchion moveset I tried earlier that just moves you forward and autocorrects itself very simply.

Am I just stuck with the shittiest moveset of the dualwields? Nameley greatswords? Did I fuck up? Dual wield in general just seems kind of useless desu, I might as well just roll with a shield and then just go twohanded by one press ofa button if it the occasion calls for more damage.

Am I doing something wrong here?
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>>323189982
It's called a quality build and it quite favorable for weapons like the Claymore or Ludwigs Holy Blade so as long as the weapon with the moveset you like scales with both of these stats it's not a bad idea.
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>>323190196
The soft cap is 50 for damage stats
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>>323190353
Yes, you're doing something wrong, you're playing DS2...
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>>323190353
>Am I doing something wrong here?
Dual wielding
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>>323190396
In Souls or Bloodborne?
It's 40 in Souls 1 (maybe 2 as well, can't quite remember)
haven't played Bloodborne so I have no idea
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>>323190519
I thought it was viable this game?
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>>323190353
Some dual wield movesets are better than others, try Caestus and Falchions.
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>>323188647

Nobody likes a game with a one sided pvp bottle neck.

There isn't a single good pvp strength build in DaS, not sure about DaS 2.
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>>323190353
Are you playing DaS1?

If so, don't even bother with two-weapon fighting. It's basically unsupported and total garbage, beyond a few odd weapon combos.
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>>323190608

Some dual-wield movesets are better than others. Greatswords have awful dual-wield movesets.
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>>323188647
Heavy weapons are slow. It takes an understanding of timing and length in order to use them properly. Getting off a hut feels good not just because of the damage, but because you had to think about when to attack.

More of a challenge really.

Or you could just press R1/RT until it dies.
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>>323190582
Bloodborne
Diminishing returns in Bloodborne also start at 25 for damage stats
Vitality's soft cap is also 50 with diminishing returns at 30
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>>323190608
It is, but really only with weapons with complementary movesets or the handful of "special" powerstance weapons, like the Warped Sword. Sword + Board will always be the most viable / easiest setup for melee PVE
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>>323188647
Yo Quelaag's Furysword is my favorite weapon in that game.
Motherfucker carried me through O&S
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I'm going to start another DaS run, maybe.

I forget, what physical stat combined with faith is good again?
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>>323190827
That's really not true. Every boss leaves you enough time to pop an estus if you dodge. That's more than plenty to attack with any weapon. Quicker weapons just give you more opportunities to get in there, like giving them a little poke during their combos and such.
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>>323188647
I'm no twink faggot spinning around like a fairy fuc boi
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>>323191402
Strength
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>>323190864
>like the Warped Sword
oh yeah, forgot to try that one out, will check itout
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>>323191402
The is no connection. But people typically do STR to fit in with the archetype.
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>>323191295
>no flame effect while idle
>can't put resin on it
2/10
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>>323191407
PVP. Not PVE
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>>323191768

It's been a while since I've played it, In DaS 2 infusion paths make it viable to make your weapons scale with your magic stat but if I recall the DaS paths mainly suck ass except for the basic one.

If you do a faith/dex build do most people end up using Ornsteins spear?
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>>323192208
>PVP
>in a souls game
>other than coming at some fucker with a comically large flaming fucking weapon in the depths
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>>323189436
This is the best bait I've seen in maybe 10 years and everyone skipped it.

That the fuck is wrong with everybody.
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>>323188647

Because 90% of the time they just want to use an edgy katana
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>>323189982
for BB it's better to go 50/25 str/skl. there are a TON of weapons in the game with either C/D or B/D str/skl scaling, which makes 50/25 ideal. In addition, you don't get the 2hand bonus for STR like you do in DaS and DaS2, so capping str at 28 is useless. furthermore, a "true" quality build (30/30 or 35/35) basically restricts you to the Holy Blade, which is boring
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I mostly play dex or mix of str and dex.
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>>323192817
Because it's not bait and it's true. Souls games aren't that popular in japan, they're casual with shit taste like always
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>>323190324
bloodletter and bowblade are better blt weapons than the chicago
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>>323193065
Who said anything about the Japanese, he's talking about weeaboos
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>>323193065
>in japan
>weebs
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>>323190826
>>323190864
don't listen to these guys, dualwielding greatswords is fun as fuck
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>>323188647
My hornet ring rapier build would 1 shot riposte giant dads with in vanilla dark souls so i can see why people are pretty salty. Magic buffs were still the most broken thing in that game tho.
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>>323193065
No shit, 3/4 of the japanese market just want cow tits fanservice games to play on the train.
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>>323193065
And here he is again. Man, you are the real deal. My hat's off to you. Even got some this time around, no idea why so little though.

10/10 from me.
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>Dex.
Tryhard faggot tier, or guy that watches too much anime, or unironically idolizes Sephiroth. Small fringe element of shitskins paying homage to their heritage.
10x edgier if using Bloodtinge too.

>Str.
Literal homosexuals idolizing Guts, the Horde, Conan, and other homosexuals brandishing large slabs of metal to penetrate their enemies.

>Polearms.
"Muh displaced historical relevance!"
Nobody cares faggot.

>Sword and Board.
The most non-original "muh chivalrous knight" motherfuckers around, who can't imagine thenselves using anything but the most mundane. Almost certainly plays Shoto in fighters.

>Paladin memer.
Worse then the S&B guys that do a bit of paladin posturing. Usually some faggot inspired strictly by Solaire, and other PC memes, mumbling crazy shit about skeletons and liches. Likely built his spread from the ground up after making a wrong turn at Firelink and getting his shitter pushed in by skellys.

>Arcane/Intel.
A space equally occupied by fedoras and hipsters who watch shit like Full Metal Alchemist and Fate, and/or people straight-up awful at the game that were instructed somewhere on how to stumble through.
10x worse if you're a faggy Hex edge master.

>Gag weapons.
Probably real life assholes, and hipsters. Great, you can get your ass kicked while main-handing a shield. You're the ultimate tool.

>Quality.
More tryhard assholes (probably) but less cancerous overall. Still pretty gay though.

>Estoc.
Used exclusively by the most nastiest assholes on the planet. Despite being a Dex/Skill weapon, Estoc users branch off into their own subsect of even shittier human beings.
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>>323193449

Sometimes I wonder if the population decline is a result of japanese men becoming obsessed with cow tits their women don't have (except for the few that all become annexed as Yakuza property).
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>>323193557
a lot of characters for a half-assed shitpost!
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>>323193721

It was supposed to be a funpost.
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>>323193449
>>323193628
Fanservice games are niche as fuck in japan. The vast majority play mobile/phone games.
Why are soulsfags so underage?
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Playing shitty Souls games is bad enough. I don't know why someone would be elitist about what build they have in a shitty game.
It's like being elitist about what class you play in World of Warcraft.
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>>323193557
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>>323193557
Funny, but why say nice things about quality? Just call them indecisive turbohipsters or some shit.
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>>323193628
Japanese men are /r9k/ betas who won't stop jerking off to their waifus and unironically spout the 3dpd meme. they complain that their women have outrageously high standards.

Japanese women think that the men are losers, and don't act masculine enough. instead of being confident and collected, they act pushy, whiny, and creepy/pervy.

nobody wants to have kids regardless, because everyone works 15 hour days for shit pay. nobody has the time or money.

a perfect storm of bullshit
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>>323193628

...Are you serious? Do you seriously think this?
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>>323193252
>Play DaS first time with Magic build in mind after playing all knight Demon's Souls
>INT/STR build with Enchanted Claymore
>Crystal Homing Soulmass
>Swap to Crystal Zweihander for Crystal Magic Weapon if necessary

Anybody I couldn't 2-3 shot (which is still technically a 1-shot because the slaymore stun-locks most people except Giant Dads) would also have to dodge the sorceries, did pretty well with it.

And then the DLC hit with it's new sorceries and I became straight up overpowered. Dark Bead and Pursuers combined with CMW led me to absolutely raping people...but at that point it wasn't even fun. It devolved to people just spamming those things to each other.
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>>323194073
If that's true why do Japanese women go to those bars to talk to dudes who look like they're crossdressers?
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>>323194054

No good joke popped in my head.
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>>323194371
standards of beauty differ across cultures
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>>323194117

Japan in real life
>Women are a cupsize smaller than the world average
>tons of flats everywhere with a few big tits sprinkled around

Japan in porn, anime and other media
>big tits, big tits everywhere
>Going to completely ignore all the anime is white meme, just going to focus on the amount of tits
>Japan is practically know for their crazy breast animation in anime.


It makes you wonder if the men want something very few of their women have, compared to the west where a guy can find at least a D cup without searching too hard.
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>>323194259
Totally true. The patch that came with the dlc fixed alot of broken shit but they added just as much! pvp quality went way down after the dlc. I mean how could they have possibly approved dark bead from a design standpoint? Fucking stulid.
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>>323188959
>weebs go dex
>not this oversized sword bullshit that usually comes with str builds
roflcopter
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Katanas are the coolest weapon.
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>>323194848
It is a well-known fact that Japanese men are completely fucked, that's why women go for expats and other foreigners so hard over there
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>>323195091

The bulk of women are just as beta and fucked though, all of a countries trash goes and hangs out near military bases and tourist locations to fuck foriegners.

You wouldn't believe the amount of half german mulattoes I know that resulted from low tier German girls being brought home by black american troops.
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>>323193557
>Solaire
>PC meme
Delusional console faggots really can't get over this, can they? Solaire and PRAISE DA SUN XD was the most popular Dark Souls memey at release.
It's great that we have cancerous faggots making sites like know your meme. We can trace where the cancer comes from.
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>>323195413
PC=Player character anon...
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>>323195618
Nice damage control
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What is a good set up for a faith/dex fag in pvp?

Is Dragonslayer Spear useful at all?
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>>323194848
>tons of flats everywhere with a few big tits sprinkled around
I should move to japan
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>>323188647
The only people who hate dex are the ones that pvp only. PvE on the other hand adds a whole new challenge instead of just UGS'ing your way through every boss and "lol skill m8".
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>>323193557
so am I reading this right, there is absolutely not a single build in the game that makes you not a faggot
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>>323195701
Not even the original poster, just thought it was funny how your shits all rustled up
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>>323195742
>Dragonslayer Spear useful at all?
Yes. It may be a bitch to get to +5 but god damn is it useful in PvP.
>That spear advantage
>That anti-mage advantage
>That electric damage advantage
>That 300+ a hit advantage
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>>323195413
Regardless, the whole playerbase took a sharp nosedive the second it got ported.
>git gud
>what r u casul
>so hard, hardest game ever!
This has happened to multiple games when they moved to PC. I don't know what makes steamfags so cancerous but they manage it every time.
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>>323194910
With the build I was doing with high STR and INT at the same time, when the dark sorceries fell into my lap it wasn't even fair. I had a build specifically made for those spells without knowing it and the first few weeks I got so much rage and hatemail.
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>>323196090
Shhhhh- you'll get the PC fags mad and make them derail the thread!
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>>323196090
Forgot
>artificial difficulty
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>>323196078

What other weapons should I consider for a dex/faith build?
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>>323195413
What the fuck. Video games anon. This entire post makes you sound like a complete lunatic.
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>>323188647
because before everyone knew to backstab fish and toggle escape they got anally ravaged by chaos blade
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>>323189982
>>323189982
STR and Dex has murakumo. i love that
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>>323188647
DeSfags who liked their strength builds, and beginners who can't outplay a katana.
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>>323196090
All those existed before it got ported. The reason PC players thought the game was hard and how you need to git gud was because the console players thought the game was really hard. That's why the PC version was called ''Prepare to Die Edition''.
PC didn't create the memes and the pretentious ''what r u a casual!!'' aura around the game. They just picked it up.
Do I need to go to fucking Know your epin memey to show when the memes were created?
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>>323193190
Nothing particularly appealing to weeaboos with Souls games. They're more similar to western RPGs in general style than how most other japanese RPGs are.
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>>323196297
Nice damage control.
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Full Alva set and Two hand Longsword/occasional parry shield master race
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>>323188837
fine I'll stick to my magic based build then.
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>>323196190
I believe it and it was never fair. I played high level pvp melee only with a quality build and the only strategy against your build type was to dodge until the buff ran out because trading would never be favorable.
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>>323196683
faraam set
2 berserkswords powerstanced
VIT
STR
VIG
ADP
END
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>>323196517
This. It's only really the 7th genners that found the game notably hard or hardcore.
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Just got the game during the Christmas sale. What's so bad about dex and what are the best builds for newbies?
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>>323196291
Rapiers, (not ice rapier *if you don't want to be seen as a total faggot) Marakumo, Katanas* (but see ice rapier point), and knives. Best strategy that I've found is having the marakumo in my left hand and ricard's rapier with poison buff in my right.

>Stun enemy / break stamina
>Power-attack with poison Ricard's Rape-er
>Get them to panic
>Play cards right and win

You can impliment what-ever you feel like because it's your build but that's what works for me.
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>>323196624
You werent replying to my post though...so..

Nice damage control.
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>>323195413
Aaah, so PCfags are the contrarian hipsters who hate fun and jokes, I see.
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>>323196683
The set is nice because of looks & weight.
But I'll take Fume Sword and Estoc instead, thanks.
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>>323196517
I'm gonna take a shot in the dark and guess you never played the game on console and only picked up the game and threads when it got ported to PC
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>>323196517
>Keeps using Know Your Meme instead of just being here when it happened

lol
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>>323196824
Rapier's more of a quality weapon, or am I misremembering?
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>>323195913

Yes. But it's a joke. Chuckle a little.
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>>323193557
>Hollow soldier leggings
Is literally only wearing this to get 54 poise and their ninja flip at the same time. Bonus points for uchigatana
>Father mask
Thinks that OnlyAfro is the single most hilarious person alive. They will Well what is it at any given chance.
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>>323196683
I am a huge fan of straight swords definitely one of my favorite weapon classes. I have three builds I play on das2 quality straight swordsman, Felicia the strong cosplay and my pure pyromancer with two pyromancy gloves. The pyromancy is my favorite though I have minimum stat investment for str and dex just enough dex to use a dagger and just enough str to 1 hand a mace. I mostly stick with the dagger or a hand axe as a backup weapon.
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>>323196903
If we are the ones who hate fun and jokes, why are you trying to get rid of the memes and push them onto PC?
If you're so proud of being fun, why don't you just say ''we made them''? Are you ashamed or something?
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>>323196934

>using Estoc over Pike or Winged Spear

kek

At least the Estoc looks kinds nice
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>>323197232
I'm not doing either of those things, angry autism anon. You're not arguing with just one person.
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>>323195413

It's a joke shithead. Do you miss your dose today?
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Best DaS1 build is as follows:

Full (upgraded completely) Elite Knight Set
2handed Zwei/Claymore
quality build
fastrolling
pyromancy

prove me wrong you can't
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>>323197139
56 poise, anon.
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>>323197000
>wasn't here when it happened, so I need to use meme sites to prove a point
I don't know if you people are new or just lying console trash so I need to back up my statements with facts.
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>>323194934
>roflcopter
embarrassing
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>>323197139

I like your additions. I think we have a new general in the works.
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>>323197336
Do you have no reading comprehension?
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>>323197286
Too heavy & impractical in one hand use with fume sword.
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>>323197139
>Sunglight/Moonlight blade
Unable to become sexually aroused through conventional means, these players prove their incredible skill by mashing r1 as quickly as possible. Will probably point down if they win.
>Great club
If you get backstabbed, you die. The only way to consistently beat these players is to chip them like a little bitch or be Peeve Peeverson.
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>>323197052
It really depends on how you use them, they are more of an off-hand / semi-main weapon but can be fully utilized to be a good main weapon. There's 3-ish types of rapier users:

>Spammers
Will literally just spam R1 until they run out of stamina then will run away.

>Parrying
Not as bad as spammers and are usually easy to kill because all they do is spam parry but a person who knows his timing will fuck up your day pretty quickly.

>Off handers
People who use rapiers as a secondary attack weapon and / or have it to parry with it off hand. Can be pretty fucking devastating if you know what combos to use like Great-sword + rapier.
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>>323197541

>not two handing everything
>using shields other than when absolutely necessary
>duel wielding
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>>323188647

I hate dex because it turned for people that treat the PvP in Souls games as if they were fighting games. You know how people shitpost about how Smash isn't a fighting game? That's exactly how I feel. There are successful streamers that made their living by streaming tryhard PvP in Souls games, and they spread this fucking fighting game mentality for Souls games PvP, which is far, FAR from being anything remotely similar to a fighting game. It has always been and will be a PvE game with tacked on, barely working multiplayer elements in it.

So in the middle of all this shit-storm is their precious dex build. It just so happens that dex weapons are always easy-mode garbage that kill everything in a few hits, dealing bigger damage than ultra greatswords or big hammers, especially if you throw in a stupid fucking buff. Katanas are the staple for this shit. Super fast recovery, allows you to be spammy without consequence, etc. And for what? So you can be like your precious tryhard streamers and win matches in 3 hits? Going through the game making a "build" specifically just to do that is fucking stupid. Nearly 80% of all tryhrads are dexfags, and will remain dexfags forever because they want to win, as if this was a fucking fighting game tournament and they HAVE to pick top tier to win. Except you don't win anything.
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>>323197405
in front of who?
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>>323197845
If you're going for looks, why not. Either a longsword or fume sword goes very well with offhand estoc, too.
Shields? I'm not talking about DaS1.
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I can understand that STR weps are the way to play the souls titles, sword and shield lets fucking go skeletons.

Bloodborne is a completely different beast, the game is faster and its not about not being hit by using the swift movements and reacting so having a massive stupid fucking greatsword to just super armour through everything then knock everything down on its ass just seems fucking boring.

BoM, Reiter and Rakuyo are so much more fast paced and fun to play with over any of the STR weps.
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>>323197878
>if you dont nerf yourself you arent playing the game right
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>>323197376
>Facts
>Know Your Meme
>lying console trash

PC master race was a joke, anon. Nobody who has been here more than three months is actually invested in console wars in a factional sense.

Idort, or fuck off.
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>>323197725
>I can't turtle a buff
Come on, son.
>great club
Forest gank squad. Often moveswapping with rapier for dat double damage.
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i hate this anime oversized melee weapon asthetic so i go with dex. thats all.
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>>323194117
You're on fucking /v/. Take a guess.
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>>323197450
>>323197725
Just doing my best.
>Longsword
The Fox McCloud of Dark Souls, a player who uses this is either an expert or a retard. Watch out for backstep and R2 shenanigans.
>Parrying shield/offhand parry weapon
A weaboo with a point to prove, these players will spend entire matches trying to parry your every hit, despite having no idea of timings. Enjoy your free hits.
>Great scythe
With a grand total of one ENB video under their belt, these players are sure victory is all but guaranteed with the 'best' weapon in the game. Will running attack constantly.
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>>323189726
What's the best to enchant with?

>>323188647
Also - Fury sword or Chaos Blade?
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>>323198053
For you maybe.
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>>323198572
Fury for PvE or anti-gank, CB for PvP.
Kick + 2HR1 for very likely hit in PvP with CB.
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>not wearing Sage Freke's outfit in DeS
>not wearing Big Hat Logan's outfit in DaS
>not wearing Astrologist's set in DaSII
>not wearing Bone Ash set in BB
>not being an annoying chucklefuck trickster god in each and every game
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>>323198596

Theres a reason all the crutch easy mode weapons are STR in Bloodborne.
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>>323198196
>>323198497
>I can't setup parry a falchion
Get a load of this guy

>Weapon toggling
After successfully mastering one technique, these players are now convinced that they are true masters. More than likely doesn't know how to counter dead-angling.
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>>323189542
>>323190158
A normal falchion does more damage in quality than longsword does. It's supposed to be low damage but fast, but the damage is actually quite good, especially when you consider the 2H multipler. It also delivers good poise damage and obviously strikes very fast in a wide but short arc. Very good for anti-backstab.
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>>323197878

This isn't really true, it least not in DeS. The tiers were something like this by the end of the lifecycle:

S: Estoc/DBS.
A+: Katana/Hiltless.
A: Hammer/Sais, Gaxe, Regalia.
B+: Kilij.
C: Guillotine, BBS, Knight Sword.
D: Everything else/Garbage.
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>>323188647
Implying BFSs are somehow not in fact the point of the series.
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>>323198980
No reason to risk a parry, since it's always delay-dependent and before you get hit, you'll have no feel of the delay. Meanwhile, that buffed hit is over 350p+350m damage, but falchion is useless when someone's backing away due to poor reach.
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>>323198928
All the easy mode weapons in BB are quality or BLT.
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>>323194073
Japanese male is quite possibly the worst class to be in life.
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>>323195913

Fists faggot.
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>>323193120
>bloodletter
>better than unzipping
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>>323188647
dks2 fucked up dex
every str weapon has high stagger while dex will get you murdered
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>>323198980
>Mask of the mother/child
These players never fight with anything but an uchigatana or a claymore, guaranteed to be min/maxed. Watch the offhand for surprise WoGs, force, or pyromancy.
>Tin crystallization catalyst
Prioritises damage over mindgames and setups, will do nothing but fire dark beads and crystal soul spears at point-blank. Will hide like a little bitch once they use all of their castings.
>Logan's catalyst
Prepare to get fucked. These players have adepts, and will hit you with unorthodox spell combinations to catch you out and punish you for rolling incorrectly. If their name is Spades-sfc, unplug your internet.
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>>323198846
>not wearing old monk wrap in DeS
>not wearing Xanathos set in DaS
>DaS2
>not wearing cone head or blob head in BB
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>>323189108
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>>323198814
Yeah? I was thinking Chaos Blade because I don't really use the katanas anyway.

And random question, but can NG+ people only invade NG+ and above?
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how do I get good with the large club?
The moveset is so retardedly bad.
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Most people play magic or strength and dex beats both in PVP
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>>323188647
I could see preferring STR since some shields require a bit more than DEX weapons need, for Demon/Dark Souls. For Bloodborne it just feels like no contest getting a full heal off your charged R2.
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>>323199198
>BBS so low

Dude that fucking shitty ass weapon dealt retarded damage with spell buffs
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>>323197725
>or be Peeve Peeverson.
what??
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>>323196975
Not that poster. Was somewhat late to demons souls but I was on release day on ps3 for dark souls.

Git gud was already prevalent. So was the meme about pretending you could spare Sif. And Sif turning into basically holo the wise wolf if you spared them.
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>>323199765
>The moveset is so retardedly bad
But it's very good, git gud.
Or was it just in ds2? I don't remember anymore, large and great club in ds1 were mainly used for fishing stupidly strong backstabs.
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>>323199683
>Cosplayers
They have no idea what they're doing. Make sure to laugh at Solaires for using a shitty longsword.
>Zero poise/shitty weapon/xanthous crown
Their entire strategy is oriented around punishes and making you look like an ass. Play smart and bait punishes and they'll go down real easy.
>Havels
There are two kinds of Havels: Midrolling filth using a grass crest shield and a lighting weapon, and true fatroll desicples. The latter will be playing intelligently and conservatively, likely to mindgame you.
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>>323199901

Ye, I know. I was there when it was good, and I was there when it tanked. The problem was when I showed people how to bug CW... BBS fell out of favor because the build was essentially poorly optimized str or dex with only 1 weapon, that got out-poked by everything. Damage is what made it viable, and when every other build inherited high damage BBS went from literally the best build to one of the worst.
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>>323200279
Are you sure?
It doesn't feel very satisfying in DaS2 sotfs
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>>323199968
Can't remember the exact name, but the player Peeve Peeverson pioneered two techniques that can be used to punish backstab fishers. I recommend you watch his stuff, he was an excellent player in his prime.
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>>323193557
holy fucking shit

so basically dont use anything at all?

holy shit dude fuck you

ill just use a big sword and shuve it up your ass, youll prob be using cestus cus ur one of those faggots
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>>323200501

EWGF.
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>>323188647
because slowstrong or wittysmart comes closer to a person that plays vidya all day
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>>323199572
>unzipping
>useful
come back when you fight people who aren't literally asleep at the controller
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>>323200559
No, he's basically saying to go full VGR, END, (ADP), and punch shit.
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>>323194934
>not wanting to cleave through shit like you're Cloud

man you must have a sore throat from all that dick
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>>323188647
The build I had the most fun with was 27/40 STR/DEX in DaS. The Claymore's sprinting attacks are amazing when two handed and I could just Beyblade around with my Composite bow as backup, and my pick of whatever Dex weapons I liked.

Can also go 27/45 for maximum Pyromancy on the same build.
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>>323188647
>Implying BFSs are somehow not in fact the point of the series.
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>>323189436
Someone didn't play Demon's Souls.
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>>323200413
I get it. Surprised because I rocked that shit for long time and didn't struggle that much against invaders but on other hand always had some spells to back me up

Dunno I still enjoy the weapons and their movesets from DeS the most. The game had broken shit everywhere and probably that's why.
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>>323188647
They're just gay and it's a gay playstyle
Most dexfags are edgy too
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>weapon generalization memes
Just stop already
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Ignore dex and go WHEEL. Literally two different ways to build with it.

Will Dark Souls 3 have a proper wheel weapon? Or better yet. A wheel weapon class
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>>323197346
this set took me through the whole game.

>i used one of the katanas though cus i was ignorant

i wish i had a gamepad id totally play DS for pc
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>>323199606
>every str weapon has high stagger while dex will get you murdered

Doesn't matter, it's still piss fucking easy to stagger and stunlock someone half to death with any sort of weapon. You have to stock serious amounts of poise just to withstand more than 2 hits.
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Why the fuck do my great fireballs do 3 times the damage of my Great lightning spears at faith 37?
Is pyromancy just that much better? I have a +10 pyromancy flame, but to my knowledge there's no way to up the effectiveness of the chimes and talismans right?
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>>323197346
this set took me through the whole game.

>i used one of the katanas though cus i was ignorant

i wish i had a gamepad id totally play DS for pc

>>323197367
i fucking hate that stupid armor
>big fat roll suit of armor
>faggot no pants
>faggot leather shield

man seriously you are a stat whore

go with what looks best you pussy willow
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>>323200325
>Shotel
Dedicated shotel users don't exist, but a lot of players keep it in reserve when fighting a turtle. Easy parries if you can get the timing down, since they will always run up R2.
>Murakomo
This and the zweihander are the two main reasons to learn how to toggle. Clever players can anticipate the parry and dead-angle you, so make sure to get a feel of your opponent before attempting a toggle parry.
>Moonlight falchion
The bane of many amateur players, this combination offers high damage and pressure for a trade off of range and time. Parrying is not advised, but you will look really rad if you can pull one off. Otherwise, keep a magic-resistant shield at hand.
A magic +10 warrior's round shield has the highest magic block in the game, at 84.5%
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>>323200439
Two hand it and try to pull off r2 combo, use rolling, backstep and especially running attacks alot, just imagine you're a car driver and do hit and run
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>>323190827
DaS is a bitch if you can't stagger your enemies though, which DEX generally can't. I've played through it more than once with both kinds of build, and DEX was much harder to get the hang of.

Quality build with no shield was the best though. Fuck shields, DaS is so much better once you learn to forget they exist and just two-hand your weapon and dodge.
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>>323200828

The damage was still absurd, even people like Ajax used BBS up until everyone moved to DkS, and BBS players when mix-maxed would still kill you in like 3-5 swipes. The problem was they were shit without LW (so they always needed to rebuff) and couldn't outpoke hammer/kat/estoc and couldn't trade with DBS/Gaxe.
They were comparable to a Kilij (still very scary).
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>>323201448
dex weapons are for dudes that got the wood grain ring.

cartwheels for days

fuck that
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I STILL CAN'T FUCKING TWINK BECAUSE MY DUALSHOCK 3 IS STILL FUCKING BROKEN

OR MAYBE IT'S THE MINI USB CABLE


FUCK
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>Running a full quality build in DaS1 right now
>Not sure what weapon to stick with
I'm between Longsword, Claymore, and Silver Knight Spear.
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>>323188647
As much as I hate dex users, it's hard to do a pure strength build against other players.

Anyone worth their salt in PvP can dodge a large weapon no problem and fuck your shit up before you can get another hit in.
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>>323201659
fuck

loose charger port sucks fuckin ass man

i feel you
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>>323201772
Sounds like it's a common problem. I really hope that's not the case for me.
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>>323201747
longsword

and claymore

fuck spears what are you a pussy?
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>>323199739
No, it's completely soul-level dependent. Only gravelords can gravelord NG+ players, but sometimes the sign appear on NG player worlds too.
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Elite Knight Set

Wolf Ring
Havels Ring

Claymore

Any Shield
Uchigatana
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>>323201659
;)
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>>323191402
Either.
I played a lot of different builds, and I'd say Faith/Dex is the best for PvP.
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>>323201193
It's so silly because it's a fatty flipper with way too much poise for a flipper. Chaos claymore still does enough damage.
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>>323201632
I was talking more about the actual game, not PvP. Although the wood grain ring is still useful for PvE.

Dex in PvE is a really mixed blessing because your attacks don't commit like STR ones, so you have more opportunities to dance away from shit like O&S' attacks. But the lack of stagger is awful.

First time I went through Sen's fortress I had Zweihander equipped on a full STR build, and I was just SMASHING the Man-Serpents. I'd R2 and they'd just go pancake flat. When I went in with Uchigatana I had to really watch my ass because they wouldn't flinch at that shit, they'd just pound my ass whilst bleeding out. Sure I could kill them but they were no longer a joke.

Same with the crow bitches in the Painted World. They were suddenly a threat.
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>>323188647
anon got raped by kats one time too many
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>>323202065
>EK's + wolf ring
Elite Knights
Elite Knights
Giants
Knights
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>>323201405
>Talisman
It's WoG. It's literally just WoG. Dedicated faith builds carry up to 9 charges, but more reserved builds usually only carry 3. Players can cancel a WoG to trick you into rolling, so try to time your roll at the last second to avoid fakeouts.
>Spears
Unfortunately, rape is mandatory here. The best strategy is to get up close where their range advantage is nullified and apply pressure. If they shield poke a little too much, it's easy to run around for a bs, since it takes a good while to recover.
>Large club
If your opponent applies poison resin before the fight, watch out for poison, as it stacks quickly. Large club's rolling are insanely good, so don't challenge them. The two-handed roll attack can't be parried. Finally, a one-handed R2 can dead-angle and comes out quickly, so make sure to respect it.
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>>323201405
Whoa whoa what's a moonlight falchion?
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>>323201747
Claymore is ultra fantastic. Two hand it, fuck shields. Keep your Silver Knight Spear around for Nito's area, it does a bit of Holy damage so the skellies stay down. Black Knight Halberd is also fucking good but gets overshadowed by the fully upgraded Claymore.

Get the composite bow and buy fucktons of Feather Arrows for your ranged option.
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>>323188647
>dexterity
Do you know what's great against it?
Quality is.

Do you even lift?
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>>323193238
Zweihander.
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>>323201747
Everything. Because quality is widely compatible.
Besides longsword, consider sunlight straight sword. Higher damage, better reach.
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>>323202584
Oops, bit of an error there.
Lots of players put the moonlight blade buff on the falchion, to the point that the two are synonymous with each other.
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>>323202015
Sweet. I've been doing moderately low level invasion stuff, and was thinking about mopping up the last few bosses, but didn't want to sacrifice a large player base.
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>>323202313
>Zweihander's twohanded R1 just smashing giant skeletons onto their ass

Goddamn it's a good weapon. Best in the game.
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>>323202763
Darkmoon Blade, anon. Both the covenant memebers and the buff are called that.
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>>323202757
Do not consider the sunlight sword. It has a much longer delay between attacks, so you're essentially trading utility for damage.
Never trade utility for damage.
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>>323195413
>>323195701
Your shitter is so shattered it's unbelievable.
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>>323202898
Fuck, sorry again. I haven't touched pvp for a good while, so the exact names of some things are hazy. All the starts and tips are legit, I've just forgotten some terminology.
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>>323188647
they get killed by dex players
it's more fast paced and active

It's especially funny because every Bloodborne build still feels like a Souls dex build
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>>323202842
SL100 is still popular in places where people are ready to PvP. Township, forest both inner and outer, to some extent burg. Oolacile in general has a lot of high level players, too. It's far from overleveling to face Manus at SL100.
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Is the falchion that fun? It seems like all the spinning leaves room for your shit to get slapped.
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>>323200559

Can't take a joke, huh faggot?
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>>323190827
This. Nothing feels better than going light armor/2h str build and golfing some poor fuck off a ledge with a zweihander after a nice, hard read. Love the extra effort it takes to pull that off.
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Fucking around in a new file in DeS, killed the smith for hand of god and have the required stats to use it now. What the fuck? It uses so much damage and does pitiful damage, do fist weapons just blow? I wanted to do a playthrough like this.
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>>323202541
>Gold tracer
This one's similar to the darkmoon+falchion combo, only chip damage is replaced by bleed. Less hazardous to tank through hits than the falchion, but it's difficult to damage race someone with a banana sword. Keep a blood shield around.
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>>323203506
Uses so much stamina*
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>>323203294
Well I ran 4 Kings at level 35, so I'm still really low level.
Fuck soul level 1 runs, I have no idea how that's possible.
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>>323202929
Being slow is hardly a disadvantage here though. It fucks up most people's timings. Being unpredictable enough to get a hit in is more important than just speed. Longsword is excellent weapon for high level PvP in DaS2 but falls short in 1. Players using it, even though they're obviously good are always relatively easy targets.
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>>323188647
A bunch of overcompensating betas want to pretend they're big, burly men and talk about nothing but brute force gameplay.
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I just wonder what will be the Zweihander of DS3. The Greatsword perhaps?
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What are some cool strength weapons that don't have a huge wind up and have a useful moveset? dark souls 1 specifically
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>>323188837
I suppose r1 spamming is a fair point when it's on the same level as say playing street fighter and repeatedly doing the same move til you win, but surely there's ways to counter it I've got a few builds and never had a problem with it. That being said I'm pretty shit with dex but I like it :^(
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>>323203679
Lots of armor, twinking to the max and dps. Chaos Hand Axe proved to be my best friend. The normal R1 is quick, the R2 is identical to Battle Axe R1 but does more damage.
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What I love about dark souls 2 is that you seemingly can't overlevel yourself. You'll still get fucked in 3 blows.
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Are you guys buying DS3 for PC or PS4?

I can't decide.
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>>323203370
na bro its all good.

you're an alright dude.

but fuck you
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>>323202065
Havel's/Giant
Light Zweihander/Div Claymore
Tower shield/Relevant crest
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>>323204306
i pirated DS 2 and i just couldnt bother with getting to the end.

boooooring.

DS 1 is awesome.

Bloodborne i never played but watched a playthrough + the dlc playthrough full way

Bloodborne is better than DS2.

but
>Bloodborne
>Is not
>A
>Souls
>Game
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>>323204274
Chaos hand axe? That might just work.
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>>323204306
I think it's just boring to be spending all your stats into vitality all the time. It's true that you get a bit too powerful easily near the end in Dark Souls 1, but I had more fun just progressing without that once I had played the game a few times. How slow every playthrough gets in DaS2 is annoying.
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>>323203618
Running out of stuff to talk about, y'all niggas better appreciate this tactics dump.
>Halberd
Will always smack your shield twice. Running attacks and R2's are garbage, so just keep an eye out for rolling attacks and you should do alright.
>Bow
Just walk up and smack them. They'll roll immediately, so delay your attacks slightly.
>Estoc/rapier
Average players tend to use running attacks and shield a little too much, so try to sneak a parry here and there. If you have poise, just trade with them. If you don't, pile on pressure or use a shotel to force them to stop playing defensively.
>Greatsword
Don't try to block an R1-R2-R1 combo. Any greatsword player worth their salt will know how to dead-angle the second hit, so the better choice is to roll. A minimum of 54 poise is needed to tank a two handed R1, and it's a speedy attack, so try to bait more easily punishable attacks such as a running R1, rolling R1, or raw R2.
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>>323199429
How are they better than nigger?
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>>323204454
Ehhh

Asthetics man.

I remember what I used now.

>Lightning Uchigatana cus i was ignorant
>Eagle Shield
>Gargoyle Helmet
>Elite Knight Armor
>Black Iron Leggings
>Black Iron Gauntlets(?)

been so long though.

if i had a chance now i'd run through the game with longsword / elite knight set and some standard shield
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>>323204274
>>323204689
Ahh shit I just remembered I turned my handaxe into the golem axe and killed the merchant for his katana to make the chaos blade. Well shit.
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>>323197346
>"quality" build
Putting 40 points in DEX/STR is silly when putting those in INT gets you Crystal Magic Weapon among other things.
Or you can just overlevel and get everything.
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>>323202882
Fucking KD Seath with that beast.
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Luck builds with the Blueblood Sword is the best way to go.

It is known.
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>>323202065
>wolf ring
>with elite knight set
>not FaP for fastrolls with 40 END
>using a shield
>using a katana
0/10
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>>323204689
>>323204889
Oh well. You don't have a reason to kill the merchant in SL1 run though since you can't wield the weapon anyways.
This is pretty much what I rolled with against O&S
http://mmdks.com/7vw3
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>>323204915
>putting points into INT, ever
I bet you rescued Griggs faggot
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>>323204915
CMW + Great Scythe is just boringly easy.
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>>323202748
DaS2 zwei <<<<<<<< DaS1 zwei
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>>323205081
Dual wield Zweihanders only way to go.
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>>323204590
>watched a playthrough
Fucking millenials
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>>323204915
I never used weapon spells in souls games, it feels cheesy how good they are.

For example in dark souls 2 you could ignore your weapon multiplier and just go faith or whatever and still do more damage than a pure melee stats character.

And then you get the option to cheese bosses with it too, it's not for me.
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>>323205323
But Anon you ARE a millenial
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>>323204306
I once ran an all-bosses run of SotFS. I didn't use any boss souls and popped them all, and ended up at lvl 200 by the end of NG. DaS2 lets you level like crazy if you don't die all that often
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>>323205159
>all these people who cry when I 1-shot them because my stat allocation was better
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>>323205323
I watched a playthrough with BB because buying a ps4 is out of my price range
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>>323204329
If your PC is good enough I'd just get it on PC. I don't have a gaming PC so I'm getting it for PS4.

If you have friends getting it for PS4 I'd still get it for PS4 though. That depends on how good the coop is in this game though, my friends and I could almost never join each other in DaS on PS3.
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>>323205103
Yeah, I'll work something out for a SL 1 run. Great Combustion is my baby though, that's for sure. It carried me through the 4 king's fight, and most fast paced boss battles.
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>>323205423
Sure, retard. Now go watch Pewdiepie.
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>>323205304
>dual wielding in DaS1
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>>323200670
>come back when you fight people who aren't literally asleep at the controller
So he's never coming back?
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>>323204915
That's not how quality works.
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>>323205451
But anon, I have nearly a full second to react to and dodge 90% of your spells.
What happens after you run out of casts?
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>>323196683
Isn't the DS3 cover knight using the Alva set with a melted helmet?
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>>323205649
Nigga how old are you
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>>323188647
theyre not as good as str weps

makes them feel hardocre
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>>323205451
>hitting people online with spells
australians and brazilians pls go
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>>323193557
Hey Sephiroth is a pretty cool guy.
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>>323205605
Generally anything DPS is nice for 4kings, flames included.
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>>323205739
He uses a weapon spell and out damages you
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>>323205746

idk
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>>323205565
My PC can handle it but I'm not sure how good the port will be.
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>>323205649
This is my favourite meme. Unless you're over 35 you're a millennial. I don't get how this word could get twisted this much. Show's how /v/ is one of THE worst boards.
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>>323205898
For like a minute, then what? I can just block until the buff wears off and then you're back to square one.
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>>323205949
I can't figure out what's supposed to be the "flagship" armor of DaS3. They keep using 2 or 3 different sets in their ads and promotions
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>>323205898
>out damages you
>INT build
No he doesn't.
He gets outdamaged and bested in defense and poise. It's easy as shit to make quality builds with little to no magic tanky as shit and still have them move fast.
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>>323205561
>watching some autistic fuck play a game for hours
>keep replying
>not killing youself already
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>>323206006
Spose so, I still think it's annoying.
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>>323205898
>buffs
>threatening
Oh no I have to dodge and walk backwards for roughly 60 seconds, what ever shall I do???????????????
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I had fun times in Dark Souls 2 running a dual Ultra Greatsword build.
It was fun as fuck to cleave entire groups of enemies in half with one swing.
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>>323206054
Why was Dark Souls 2's flagship armour so bad?
Compared to the other Souls games, it's a little lacklustre aesthetically.
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>>323206127
you first, I'll wait
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>>323195072
Maybe in 2007. Katanas are the new greatsword. And greatsword is the new swordnboard.

Scythes are the new katana.
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>>323206256
Faraam looks great in concept art, it just looks wonky in-game
>>323206212
at least until someone invades you and makes a fool of you, since dual-UGS is complete trash in pvp
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>>323206162
Of course it's annoying, but the main reason people die to spells and buffs is a lack of patience. The absolute maximum you will ever have to wait is a minute and a half., After 90 seconds they're completely harmless.
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>>323205985
>I don't get how this word could get twisted this much.
cuck
edgy
meme
epic
fun
etc
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>>323206256
Notice how they used Alva's in emote icons.
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>>323206276
Still more playthroughs to watch in your backlog, faggot?
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>>323205739
I won't. I'll cast Tranquil Walk of Peace. If I catch you, I 1-shot you with Dark Bead or CSS. If I don't, I'll hit you with WotG while you bounce around like an idiot.
I almost never lost with this strategy in PvP and usually won in 1 hit.
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>>323205962
Is it even a port this time? I thought it was being developed simultaneously for all three platforms this time around.

DaS was for consoles first so its port was janky but they already have PC in mind this time from the start so it should be alright.
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>>323206517
>being this mad
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>>323206471
Do you think it was executive meddling or something? Alva's definitely fits the style of the previous armours.
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>>323206550
>expecting to catch people with TWoP
>expecting to hit people with WoG
>expecting to hit people with dark magic or CSS
have you exclusively been fighting people as the backup mage in ganks? or are you just killing people with lag?
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>>323206006
You can't sit behind a shield against a magic buff because most shields have shit magic resist. Also if I'm using a katana you have bleed to worry about.
And if you're using Havel's shield or another greatshield, you're vulnerable to dead-angled WotG while you turtle.
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>>323188647

Go look for it in knowyourmeme, newfag.
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>>323206550
Okay, so now all I have to do is walk backwards for a minute and half. You must have been pretty lucky for nobody to cheese you out.
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>>323206593
Yeah, but usually they have one main/target platform and then try to make it work on the others as well.

Like Batman Arkham Knight, which was pretty shit on PC.

I also heard From softbanned you from playing online if you used software for using a PS3 controller on PC.
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>>323189436
>westaboo

Now I've seen everything. Shit.
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>>323206640
I liked Faraam
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>>323206640
Could be. There was a bunch of stupid decisions involved with DaS2 that fucked the game more than anything involving the skills of the devs. Probably was just someone in some kind of power, not necessarily an executive that liked the armor more.
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>>323206808
>turtling buffs with shields
just roll backwards senpai
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>>323206808
I mentioned earlier in the thread that you can block nearly 85% of magic damage if you want to, and the crest shield has good stability and magic resist.
Plus, I just have to roll when the bleed maxes out and I get a phantom bleed. ezpz
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>tfw slash damage is 200% trash in DaS2
>there are no circumstances in which using swords is not gimping yourself severely
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>>323206550
>twop
>dark bead
>int/faith build
Let me guess, you thought people come to forest to actually test their skills?

Because it's actually the training grounds and most people's first experience in PvP.
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Balder side sword is best sword.

My first character used axe's but totally fucked up my stats not getting a demon great axe drop that would of made my fucking game, and there wasn't really any axes to find after the sewer with the gaping dragon that one was probably actually worse than the one you find in the undeadburg though.
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>>323206256
Because they tried some weird hybrid engine where they were already making a next-gen game but decided to go with last-gen console to maximize the audience, causing them to use an overpowered engine for an underpowered platform, so they ended up cutting corners on a lot of shit, that's why environments are so bland and everything has this strange high-fidelity glow but low-fidelity textures/models. etc...

You could consider DS2 as a throwaway title to keep people busy until they finished BB/DS3


So a lot of shit just ended up being slapped together, the Armor is magnificent, but it didn't have enough effort put into translating it into a wearable set, All sets in 2 look wonky, did you notice how all the hips and shoulders are like way further from the body than they should be? it feels like they just used an automatic option to scaled down the quality which ended up doing weird things to animations and shit.

How much you wanna bet its gonna look sexy as fuck in DS3?
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>>323206769
I don't "expect" to. TWoP rarely hits, but when it does, it's a free win.
CSS hits more often because people expect Dark Bead.
Dark Bead hits sometimes because it spreads so wide.
WotG usually hits at least once for 900 damage or more.
If they back off to heal, I use Pursuers and WotG together.
I only 1v1, and I'm serious, I've rarely lost. I have 99 INT, 50 FAI, and the optimal casting gear.
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>>323207135
I was too scared to go to the forest when I started out. I watched too many Oroboro and Peeve videos and I stayed in the Undead Burg for months.
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>>323206808
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>>323207135
I usually PvPed in Oolacile to farm souls to level up.
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>>323206601
>still replying
>still giving more views to your favorite e-celebs
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>>323207223
CSS and Drak Bead have completely different casting animations. It sounds like the people you fought were too twitchy on the dodge.
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>>323188647
I think they are boring and somewhat useless in pve unless you go for the typical katana.
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>>323207223
>I freely admit that all my tactics are inconsistent as fuck
>b-but I rarely lose guys!!
>INT4lyfe!
um
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>>323207352
>opening yourself up against a fucking caster
If you're lucky or they're bad, this works.
If not, you die right then.
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>>323207223
>99 INT
>50 FAI
what the fuck are you level 200 or something?
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>>323207272
You have nothing to lose as a park ranger and you usually get help. Naturally it gets easier the better you are and it's not ideal to practice for duels, but it's nice way to harrass players.

If it's a ganker, go play cat and mouse. No more than 2 players can invade at a time, and you block out one slot.
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>>323207189
I couldn't care less if it looks good, I just want more souls
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>>323207509
They don't have to be consistent when you get to throw like 10 uses of each of those in a fight, and only 1 landing wins you the fight usually.
Even if I'm 25% accurate I'll win.
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>>323207186
My first character used axes as well, I actually never swapped weapons once I've gotten the gargoyle's axe. That was and is my favorite weapon of all times. Balder Side Sword is close second, after I used it once I built a character just for it, spent like five hours farming fucking Baldr's for it, Maxed upgrade as holy and went with faith build, it just absolutely shredded everything.
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>>323207537
No cast takes shorter time than popping one. Not even 45dex black flame.
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>>323207639
239, if I remember right. I also have 50 ATT and 45 DEX.
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>>323207189
why does he wear chain for his gauntlets, but then have the chain stop instead of making a complete sleeve?
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>>323207823
Attacking with a buffed uchi is shorter.
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>>323207742
The problem is that if you can avoid one DB you can avoid them all. Any relatively experienced player will have memorised the timings for DB, CSS and WoG, and they're too smart to get caught by the TWP.
Your build is just one big gimmick.
Plus, 99 INT 50 Faith? Who the fuck do you even get to fight at that soul level?
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>>323207742
Nah, all casts are dodgeable. If it was actually a good strat the actually good players would use it, too.
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>>323207742
unless you're connecting from Australia you will literally never ever hit me with any of those spells. I dodge sorceries for days, shit is 2easy
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>>323207935
Its a chain gauntlet with plate over it. sleeves are a part of the chest armor, not the gauntlets. and the chest armor is heavy fabric.
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>>323208082
Pretty much anybody who invades me. I wait for Darkmoons to farm souls. Sometimes I get over a million from a kill.
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>>323208009
>uchi
Easy to outplay, contrary to popular belief. You won't be landing any bleed with a buffed weapon either, or anyone could just roll through your attacks to get the bleed off. But mostly you just spam roll before they attack, which is always easy against katana players.
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>>323201191
pls anyone
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>>323208297
No good player overlevels though. Darkmoon covenant is generally a cruth since it's used to invade players lower than your levels.
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>>323208467
Pyromancy is raw damage, but lightning spear gets most of its damage from scaling.
Your damage can vary based on your faith from 1-40 and the strength of your talisman.
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>>323201191
Do you have a Darkmoon Talisman (the best in DaS I)? The talisman really matters, and you can't upgrade them in DaS I. In DaS II you can reinforce chimes with Titanite, the Dragon Chime being the best in II.
Also, ascend your flame when you can.
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>>323201191
What talisman? Canvas talisman is the second best, only outperformed by darkmoon talisman.
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>>323208297
So you just farm easy opponents who are probably hundreds of levels lower than you?
Why would you brag about losing when you've stacked the odds so unfairly in your favour?
I could say I'm undefeated at basketball since I only play against kids with cerebral palsy, but that doesn't make me a good basketballer.
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le what? Uchigatana has like the best dps of all weapons.
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>>323208585
>no good player overlevels
Good thing 95% of players are bad since I win that often.
Also, I can gank the entrance to Oolacile with TWoP and literally never lose.
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>>323208879
Darkmoon talisman is the best at 40 faith, pretty sure sunlight talisman is better than canvas.
Plus, you get a lot more castings of spear than you do fireball, so it may just do less damage for balancing reasons.
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>>323207885
lol is this you?

http://mmdks.com/7vwd

pretty embarrassing, senpai. this build is 100% gimmick bullshit
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>>323208901
I fight people HIGHER. Darkmoons invade me, meaning they are higher level.
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>>323208714
>>323208821
>>323208879
I'm playing DaS 2, have 37 faith and I'm using the Disc Chime.
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>>323208297
>i'm good because I bully darkmoons who are probably 100 levels beneath me
wew
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>>323209080
Canvas has the best scaling for Faith below 40 but above 30
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>>323208952
Not really, but I guess it works for PvE.
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>>323209134
wrong. reds and blues can invade anyone at any higher level than them, up to lvl 711. the only restriction is on how far beneath them they can invade, not above
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>>323209227
Are you sure? I always remembered the sunlight talisman edging out.
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>mfw Bloodborne basically forces you to play as a DEXfag

Trashed. Hopefully they take little from it for DS3.
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>>323209134
>>323208901
People at lower levels, generally way below 100 or any higher than 130 are never good.
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>>323209134
>>323209353
This. The average PvP build can only invade ~20 levels below, but they can fight assholes like you at SL1.
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>>323209387
sunlight talisman (and ivory talisman) edges out once you go above 40
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>>323209393

You MOVE like a dexfag, because you're a cloth wearing hunter. Heavy weapons in Bloodborne are leagues beyond anything in Souls and they are actually viable.

Not even DaS3 will surpass that.
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>>323209317

Name 5 better dps ones
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>>323209094
I don't think so. I use Pursuers.
But it's basically the same build. The idea is capping DEX for spellcast speed, capping ATT for spell slots, opening all the miracles with 50 FAI, and maxing sorcery damage with 99 INT.
I guess it could have been me since I played DaS I the most 4 years ago before it even released on PC.
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>>323209393
If you PvP'd in DaS, you were forced into either dex or quality.
I love me some strength weapons, but you could literally parry those things on reaction. They were not very good.
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>>323209393
>hello, I've never played Bloodborne --- you
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>>323209628
falchion still better in dps. uchi's okay but only really advantageous in PvE.
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>>323209353
Seriously? For the longest time I heard that reds invade up or 10% down and blues invade down or 10% up.
The amount of souls I get seems to reflect the idea that they outlevel me, since I get more than I need to level in 1 kill sometes.
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>>323209750
it's gimmicky as fuck
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>>323209591
Thoruland is the best talisman for Faith 25 and below as it doesn't scale but has a flat 165 adj.
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>>323209628
Falchion, Quelaag's furysword, Chaos Blade, Painting guardian sword, Great Scythe (confirmed via https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDWbZDWbnpI), and proabably any ultragreatsword.
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Which build is the easiest?
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>>323205872
used to be before square decided to expand the franchise
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>>323210026
DaS is not exactly a competitive game.
If I wanted that, I'd play Street Fighter or something.
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>>323210014
if you kill an invader, you get 50% of their levelup souls

if you kill a host as an invader, you get 10% of their levelup souls

so if you were multiplying your soul rewards by 10 instead of by 2, you have been getting a very inaccurate depiction of who you're fighting
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>>323210090
Depends on the game.
Sorcery has pretty consistently been easy mode, but going full tank garners good results also.
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>Healing Church makes Ludwig's Holy Blade in imitation of the Holy Moonlight Sword

>Healing Church makes the Church Pick in imitation of the Burial Blade

they just can't do anything right
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>>323210218
I was getting literally 1M so they had to be around 250+ or so.
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>>323210090

In DaS 2 Hexes carry far.
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>>323210350
>they had to be around 250+ or so
No wonder it'd be so easy to kill them.
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>>323209393
You can make just about anything work due to the movement speed.

I'm not expecting much from Dark Souls 3's balance.
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Rakuyo vs BoM

Church Pick vs Burial Blade

what's better?
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>>323210391
Only problem with hexes is the Lost Sinner and the Smelter Demon are really tough because of how aggressive they are.
You can't heal easily and have few opportunities to cast safely.
Beyond that, hexes are pretty easy, though.
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>>323210090
In DaS1, uchi + high poise + offhand sorceries.
In DaS2, dark rapier with buff and offhand hexes/sorceries, light equipload(30-45%) so your roll reaches far enough.
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>>323210675
Threaded Cane.
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>>323204274
I didnt know Emarrel went on 4chan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAqgcL6FbfE
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>>323211427
fuck your threaded cane
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>>323205234
Yeah ok Buddy

DaS1 zwei >>>>>>>>> DaS2 zwei
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>>323211829
...That's exactly the same statement.
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>>323211829
that is literally what I said

learn2inequalitysigns
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>>323211664
I have a feeling that at some point they did, but I just came to the conclusion myself when testing the weapons available for SL1.
My side arm of choice was jagged blade just for shits.
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>>323207754
I couldn't make the balder side sword work with a faith build. Some reason or another that play through just wasn't working well for me which is weird faith/int builds are usually a lot easier since you don't need as many stats like str builds needs too much str/dex/endurance to work that you might as well just use a weapon that doesn't rely on stats like lightning.
Now I kinda wish I had picked up Dark Souls again when it was on steam sale just played it so much on console didn't think I'd want to go back now I'm kind of getting an itch for it.
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>>323211963

You just got tricked
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>>323212302
oshit
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>>323212146
I can't believe Emarrel is good enough to beat ng+7 at SL1, meanwhile I can't beat Ornstein and Smough on my first try
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>>323211664
You can find Emarrel in some generals.
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>Magicfags

"That guy" in class. Closet school shooter who takes jokes too literally.
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>>323197367

That is the most tryhard build i've ever seen.
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>there are fags who haven't played based lords of the fallen


Just top kek well meme
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>>323212302
I can't handle these mindgames
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>>323211716
Reiterpallasch or BoM are the most fun.

Church Pick over Scythe
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>mfw magic/dex build
feels good
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>>323212521
That's the point.
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>>323204590
I played through all except daemon souls, I heard of dark souls played it and loved it so naturally went to dark souls 2, I played bb and thought it was amazing but a shorter and simplified version of a souls game (by simplified I guess I understood the depth these games go into) I've had more fun with dark souls 2 but if they ever make a bb2 I believe it would be on some next level shit. I wasn't a fan of the parry bullet limit in pve it worked tho, The setting and theme was amazing and people who haven't played it can't deny how good they switched it up.

Speed vs strategy is the main difference I felt between them (Das2 v BB)
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>>323212240
Dex+Faith, you shouldn't go to endurance above what you need to not fatroll which, if you're going with BSS as primary shouldn't be much if anything since you should be wearing medium armor at best.

If I recall correctly I basically started with cleric, got dex just high enough to equip balder, git faith to 40, got BSS to +10 divine, and popped some stats into attunement so I can have 5 slots and max out my lightnings.
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>>323212732
poor burial blade never gets any love
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>>323210090
In DaS.
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>>323204037
Some weapons would r1 so fast that you could not parry in between or even roll out of the way. You would just be forced to take attacks. Weapon buffs made it even more retarded due to the insane damage they would give. In Darks Souls on, at least.
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>>323213195
You could potentially poise through the first hit to guarantee a parry, but that requires heavy armour, and you would eat a lot of hits. It doesn't help that the netcode prevented reactionary parries, so you had to get a good read to parry fast weapons otherwise.
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>>323213195
the only weapons that attack fast enough to outpace a roll are also the same weapons that are outranged by a roll (see: the Falchion). it isn't hard to wait out a buff
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>>323212778

>Magic Falchion/Scimitar+10
>Crystal magic weapon

Just these two together rape without mercy.

It's hilarious when people think you're helpless in melee, only do discover you do just as much damage with a 1h R1 as you do with a GHSA
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>>323189890
>Fixed the glaring issues with scaling and equip burden
>"Ruined"

Fuck you too.
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>>323213626
It's really cool how the casting animation can't be punished at all, ever
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>>323196752
That's even worse, Jesus
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>>323210090
DaS2 launch was absolutely ridiculous with Faith and Lightning spears. They got nerfed later on though
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>>323213881

Magic is the best.

I don't consider myself a tryhard either, if anything the people who refuse to do anything besides melee are the tryhards, because they're trying 10x harder than I am.

There's also something extremely satisfying about OHKOing someone with CSS out of a roll
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>>323190353
Gee, dual wield two massive two handed swords is awkward, WHO COULD HAVE GUESSED IT!?
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>>323213482
It's kinda retarded, but the delayed parries work in favor of balance. You need to actually predict an attack perfectly before you even see it coming, but the reward is extreme. Meanwhile, predicted parry in a wrong place could be countered with a backstab. The only real problem with it is the delay varying between every player.
In Dark Souls II, no matter what you do you sometimes can't avoid a parry if you attack, and spamming it can't be punished in the same way either, while it still lead to delivering the highest damage. There's just too little risk in doing it at any time.
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>>323204037
>implying that works in street fighter
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>>323214098
No, magic is tryhard if anything. It guarantees a victory against a lot of players and closes out the possibility of victory against everyone who can counter it. Versatile action based builds can be generally used to play against anything, leaving everything up to the skill and tactics of the player behind it.
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>>323195742
In DKS2 it's one of the best weapons, in DKS1 it's one of the worst.
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>>323214157
I love the delayed parrying system, parrying on reaction would make attacking obsolete. What I don't like is backstabs. They come out in one frame and can punish near anything. I'm glad they've been toned down somewhat.
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>>323188647
Because their jealous little fucks. DEX-fags get all the girls and STR-fags are too dumb "muuh SMASHH" and INT-fags are literally fuccbois.
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>>323214528

Damn, so is faith/str even viable for pvp in DaS?
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>>323214425

If you're a good mage, and know what spells combo and synergize, then you can basically be unbeatable.

Soul vortex+CSS is a good one, especially if you're indoors.

Soul Focus is also great for hallways.

After playing to NG+++ as a pure sorc, I honestly don't think I'll ever roll melee again. I killed 9/10 invaders, and there were times when I was able to 1v3 people in belfry sol.

Melee takes alot more effort, but being good at magic actually takes smarts.
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>>323193557
>Worse then
God stop this fucking horse shit. The word is "than". It's not hard. "Than". It's an "a". For fuck's fucking sake.
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>>323214559
They're too easy to get in specific spots. They work great as a parry counter when someone gets too spammy with them, but players who're just locked on to each other constantly getting backstabs at each other (and usually just canceling it out) is retarded. It's boring because every time I realize a player is playing heavily with that I can outperform them at it or at least do it on-par with them. That and sometimes unlocked when players are close to each other, just a regular attack happens to grab into a backstab.
>>323214801
Dark Souls II isn't exactly balanced though, and people don't take the PvP there very seriously for a reason. No one competent considers playing without magic, but when a melee mage player gets a hit in with a CB or rapier they'll deal 1000 damage right there if they know what they're doing. Once they're up close, dodging becomes cakewalk. Or, they could just run behind cover every time you cast.
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>>323210090

For PvE, the Zwei. Playing a Zwei build is playing DaS on easy mode.
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>>323189340
Sweet, another image to enturbulate westaboo 40kfags with.
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>>323215561

Yeah, but I always have my +10 magic scimitar enchanted, and catch people rolling into me 90% of the time.

If they want to hide behind walls, you can just clip them with 1000 damage SGS.

The only weapons I ever had real trouble dealing with as a mage was santiers spear, because the hitboxes on it are just so big and stupidly inaccurate. That thing can reach over 50% of my lock on range, it's just retarded.
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>>323216059
Just get to the arena if you want actually competent fights.
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I did a dex based Balder Side Sword run two times. It's a bit interesting, but completely pointless compared to using a big fuck-off weapon specd with STR.
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>>323215561
It's the best option in too many scenarios. The legitimate best strategy is to just poise through any offense your opponent makes and backstab.
I stand by my opninion that the only reason Dark Souls PvP holds up is because most people make a deliberate effort to play fairly.
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>>323215995
Westaboo means a foreigner, typically japanese, who is into western culture. The opposite of a weaboo.
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>>323213174
The only way to make DaS harder is gimping yourself voluntarily, like, killing Andre. Which I did on my first try to impress my housemate (I didn't knew the game saved automatically, I thought you had to rest near a bonfire).

TLDR Gravelord Sword
>low requirements
>low scaling (since the requirements are low this is actually a good thing because you are encouraged to invest your stats elsewhere)
>high base damage
>toxicity
>sexy curved sword moveset
>Basically available from the start if you know where to run
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>>323216703
I just roll backwards and stab them. I like to use buffed balder side sword a lot and it's pretty easy to deadangle people who just try to get behind you. That and since I play a lot unlocked, I can keep facing these people any time and they fail to get a backstab in the first place.
But it's exactly as you said, the PvP is only fun when people don't try to abuse the shit out of the easy backstabs. Here's someone who didn't. He sent me a lot of salt for this.
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My invasion Stragedy is to invade in Dark Root garden and go hide behind the Hydra and play the waiting game.
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>>323216902
I haven't seen weeaboo used properly in ages, so it seems moot to worry about the opposite counterpart being used properly.
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>>323189436
>westaboo
KEK
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>>323215561
>Dark Souls II isn't exactly balanced though

It's literally the only balanced PVP in the franchise.

>DES is a grass munching and chain stabbing shitfest

>DKS1 is the worst fucking PVP of the series. Nothing but bullshit 24/7. Poise stabbing, lag stabbing, gear put in the game by the retarded developers to actually promote this horseshit. Getting lagstabbed or parried for 100% health, everyone just playing ring around the rosie afraid to throw out ANY attack because it's all a game of who can score the first critical. FUCKING AWFUL.

>Bloodborne PVP is actually very good but it gets dragged down by one major flaw. Muh Miyazaki did it again and made critical damage king again. Now you can parry spam at will and if you get one the fight is over.

I have no hopes for DKS3 seeing as the common elements are all the same. MiyacĂșck at the wheel, then the game is gone revolve around who gets the ebic 5 second cutscene first.
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>>323217203
Damn son, your spacing was solid.
But you can see my point. You lost half your health off of a single whiffed move.
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>>323217881
No, it's easy to find, like, two-three builds that best everything else even when the opponents are both extremely skilled and on similar level.
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>>323217881

Yea but DaS 2 makes it unvaiable to do anything but be a faggot mage.
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>>323217881
It is possible to counter backstab fishing, but the methods require good reactions and finger speed, compared to the 'hold left, press R1' that most people employ, so the metagame seems busted.
High level pvp is amazing to watch. People like Yami, Spades, Peeve and even jblackmel all show off how effectively you can fight without relying on cheese.
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>>323218162
Thanks. Comes with practice, I guess. The important part is that it actually ripped over half my HP, and even when halberd has high damage, that build also has pretty good defense. I've since changed it around a bit though. The point is, if he'd gotten lucky enough to get another hit like that in I'd have lost right there. Which he tries at 0:30, ends up attacking instead and I get to rip his shit.
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>>323217881

>DeS
>No mention of cracked talisman cursed weapon second chance shenanigans that everyone and their dog did

What game did you play?

Dark souls 2 is hardly balanced, you don't know terrifying till you've seen a robflynn dual wielding chaos blade counter hit, truth be told none of the games are anywhere near balanced, the best you can hope for is a large pool of viable weapons and playstyles.
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>>323217881
>everyone just playing ring around the rosie afraid to throw out ANY attack because it's all a game of who can score the first critical
Nope, that's Dark Souls II with the reactionary parries. Only slow weapons can be parried on first strike based on visual in DaS1, other attacks need to be predicted before you see them actually happening. It costs nothing to throw in black flame/great combustion alongside with a zweihander though, and now your slow-ass weapon is again more useful.
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>>323217881
>Dark Souls 2 is the only balanced game in the franchise.
Sure, if you don't count Santier's spear, mundane avelynns, Ice rapiers, anti-backstab equips, rings that work as free combo breakers, faith scaling, or hexes.
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Ffffffffffffff I can't parry in Das2, do I just need to git gud?
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>>323219654

The timing is completely different from previous games.
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Speaking of DS2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRlrA7YG9Dw

Reminded me I saved this back when DS2 launched.

I really like PVP in souls but i'm so fucking horrible since i never PVP'd in any game before, and this was like my first time ever doing PVP.

And the games just keep getting faster and the PVP keeps getting more min-max meta, and I fucking suck at it.
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>game has a softcap

why? why can't i be stronk as a mountain and fucing suplex a giant or rip him in two with my bare hands you pieces of shit bosses can take 1/4 of your life away but you will never be able because the game decisevly puts you in handi-mode

I'm not saying 20 str should allow you to use the dragon's tooth but I feel like it would be alright to fucking use a tower to 1 hit destroy the firesage demon if I have 150 str
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I always go battle axe or halberd, mainly the latter, and i also like casting magic along with it

is this ok
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>>323218169
First of all, that's all PVP in all games. It's what tryhards do. Secondly, that's not really true since they put some effort to have counters to specific things in the game. So if one build is fucking you up, you can change yours to counter it if you want.
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>>323219843
is it possible to git gud at it though consistently?
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>>323220514

Sure, I'm sure there are video guides you can use to learn from, it shouldn't be hard to pick up once you learn the basic timing of it.
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>>323220364
Because only co-op is allowed to break the game. Also because they want to make NG+ and all that shit actually hard instead of just leveling up past everything.
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>>323220514
Sure, if you learn the timing.
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>>323218259
You should be glad there are faggot mages in that game when there were zero in the previous one and just glitchers in the one before. Mages being viable is good.

That's also a complete lie as faggot mages are literally the easiest to counter and can be rendered harmless. 100% physical is 100% viable, especially with shit like flyn's ring.
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>>323219960
It works off very different basics in DaS2 than it does in DaS2 or DeS. I can't speak much for DeS though.
In DaS1, it's extremely defense and dodging oriented, if you can't do well in these you're going to get wounded fast. You're not supposed to just react to what your opponent does, but also try to predict what they plan to do. That's why you start backing away before your opponent gets behind you and backstabs you, you need to be able to whiff when they'd try it and counter it before they do. It's just something you get with a lot of experience. Low level play is different from high level play, and it's best to try learning that first.
But really, the PvP is not that different from any online games where the players face off each other. Both players try to learn as many ways to attack one another, then try to judge what their opponent is going to do as fast as they can and try to counter it or use it to their advantage.
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>>323193015
How is 50/50 worse than 35/35? It just has more damage...
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There is no better PvP build in DeS than spear and great shield. That's where my love of dex came from.
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>>323220719

Not even really talking about the pew pew mages, I'm talking about elemental augmentation as well.

Because physical scaling is so fucking shit there is literally no reason to not pick one of the many weapon augmentations.
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>>323220836
But those points can be allocated elsewhere for greater benefit.
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>>323218582
First of all, all the people you listed are literally cunts and grade A Souls cancer, Jesus fucking Christ...

And that's the point. DKS1 has no PVP, the whole game is about backstabbing and countering backstabs. It's so shit that it boggles the mind.
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Alright, how many of you fags have actually punched/broken sworded asylum demon to death?
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>>323220972
That's odd, I remember playing an awful lot of Dark Souls PvP.
If you have negative bias from your own experiences, that's understandable, but I'll vouch for how good Dark Souls PvP can be, every time.
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>>323221016

I did it.

While fatrolling in knight gear.
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>>323220510
>First of all, that's all PVP in all games.
Nah, people focus on way more weapons in DaS1. Claymore, Estoc, Balder Side Sword, Chaos Blade, Halberd, Zweihander for example are all extremely competent weapons for their own reasons, other people still might prefer something else as well, but in DaS2 I see little reason to bring anything other than Fume Sword or Estoc/Rapier to a duel.
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>>323221016
youre mom
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>>323220972
>First of all, all the people you listed are literally cunts and grade A Souls cancer, Jesus fucking Christ...
Nah, it's just boring because it's easy to counter eventually and then they can do nothing.
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>>323221016
Not on my first time, clearly, but yeah, I've also managed to beat tutorial vanguard in Demon's and fisticuffs the werewolf in BB.

Kind of disappointing DS2 didn't have a tutorial boss (I guess there's that cyclops before the firekeepers but unlike the rest he's super fucking easy to cheese/exploit so its just a given he's beaten) I hope DS3 also has some tutorial boss that gives bonus rewards for being taken out.
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>>323219123
>the best you can hope for is a large pool of viable weapons and playstyles.

and guess which game fits that description?

It's not perfect, not even close. Perhaps i should have said "most balanced" but the gap between DKS1 and 2 is so wide that i thought that would be doing 2 a disservice.

I always thought it was fucking hilarious how most of the community just decided on their on that abusing the cracked talisman glitch was ok.
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>>323217256
>moot

who?
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>>323219172
>Parrying works as intended and doesn't one shot you when it happens
>This is bad
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>>323189436
EASTERN STORYTELLING!
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>>323219564
Half of those things stopped being an issue a year ago and the other half are good things...
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>>323221643
>there's no reason to try to get an attack in on a competent enemy as long as they're wielding a parry shield
>working as intended
This is bad.
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>>323199021
Dual wielded, your character pretty much becomes a lawnmower.
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>>323202634
Black Knight Halberd is my fucking Jam. Picked it up in Darkroot Basin, goes great with my Black Knight Shield. Never looked back.
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>>323221878
LMAO have you even played this game?

This simply doesn't exist. Only monastery scimitar cunts were a problem and that was fixed. You can do so much shit to throw off parries and parry fags are almost free with how predictable they are.

Throwing attacks and hitting people with your weapon is literally how you win in this game, not critical spamming. You're trying to turn DKS2's biggest strength into a negative when it's actually THE glaring negative of DKS1.
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>>323221643
>doesn't one shot you
For the longest time, you could though.
Meanwhile, it's extremely hard to do in DaS1, still wouldn't deliver as much damage and again, it's much harder to get in the first place. Since it's much easier in DaS2 to wield extra weapons, you don't even have to be reliant on your main weapon's potentially suboptimal critical damage, and you can just finish off a player in two parries that are relatively easy to do.
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>>323221224
Then you are fucking delusional. And you don't need my opinion, it's the reality and anyone can check it by looking up PVP videos right now. Bonus if they are "tournaments" so you can see the true tryhards at work.
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>>323201405
>A magic +10 warrior's round shield has the highest magic block in the game, at 84.5%

This is wrong though. Havel's and the Crystal Ring Shield both have 90% magic resistance.
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>>323189108
All I wanted to be was a lightly armored rolling dude with a fuckhuge weapon

Dark Souls perfectly allowed me to fulfill this
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>>323222549
I really don't understand how you're so aggressive about it. Am I not allowed to think my favourite game is good? Is it wrong to look past flaws?
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>>323221508

If you really think about it most if not all of the games fit that description, I think dark souls 2 gets more flak than it should but at times it does rightfully deserves a bit of flak.

The time of the monscim was a time of bullshit I tell you that, but then again it's not like a long period of pvp being fucked up is new to the series which I think some people forget.

I remember the fun of prepatch dark souls pvp, the massive TWoP radius, untargetable fog ring, the one shot crystal ring shield, the ninja flip ring at 50%, the invincible great magic shield.

Fun times.
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>>323222358
I've done it plenty though, and others have done it plenty to me. Only beginners would just spam parry to a point it becomes predictable, but a competent player can every time either dodge or parry an attack with most weapons, sans fist weapons. Which are easily countered with anything with better reach in main hand, so it's pointless to wield them.
Also,
>LMAO
Exactly how retarded/underage are you?
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>>323204329
Xbox One for me
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>>323222495
Ok, so you're just gonna fucking lie out of your ass instead of having an actual argument. Ok then.

>It's extremely hard to get criticals on DKS1
>It wouldn't deliver as much damage

Get the fuck out of here
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>>323222623
Damn, you got me there. It is, however, the best practical medium shield. It gives 5% less than the crystal ring shield/Havel's and is more practical than both.
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>>323222358
>easy ass critical damage is a positive in Dark Souls II
>easy ass critical damage is a negative in Dark Souls 1
I'm seeing a pattern here with DaS2 fanboys.
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>>323222772
No, you can say DKS1 is your favorite game and had your favorite PVP, just as long as you recognize it's flaws. Looking past flaws is not the same as pretending they don't exist.
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>>323222931
>he doesn't know about parry/flame swathe into a riposte
And you say you actually played Dark Souls II?

Never mind, you obviously didn't on any meaningful level.
But it's still true that getting a parry in DaS1 is much harder than getting one in DaS2 and there's just no way around that.
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>>323223137
I didn't intend to come off as pretending they don't exist, apologies if I did. It just seemed the way you were arguing that were doing the opposite, only seeing the flaws.
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>get DaS2 after hearing you can wield a spear with a shield
>instant boner
>do a decent bit of the game with just a spear because I didn't find a decent shield
>finally get a decent shield
>can't bring myself to use it because hit and dodge tactics feel better and work out better

Someone halp.
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>>323222905
>LOOK HE'S USING NON MEME SANCTIONED ACRONYMS!
UNDERAGE! UNDERAGE! UNDERAGE!
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>>323223039
>I'm being super reductionist so I can make my faggot statement as though it were true.

Fucking DS1 was bs fishing to the point it became disgusting, critical damage isn't the issue, its how you make it.
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Guys help me, I seriously dont know what weapon to use besides longsword and Shield. Everything else is either slower, uses more stamina per hit, ugly looking or simply does less damage.

I was going to go with Twinblades but from what Ive read they arent very good, and are better suited for a STR build but I'm mostly DEX. That being said I don't care about PvP or min maxing but I certainly can't downgrade either, my longsword and mace have carried me trough the game beautifully
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>>323223404
I only do that because i feel like i have to compensate for all the fanboyism surrounding this game. I admit that i am overly negative about it.
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>>323197367
Did you skip leg day, anon?
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>>323223713
>>323223847
Wow mad, but I'm glad you see my point.
The problem with backstabs was already explained, but trying to focus on it doesn't change the fact that Dark Souls II's problems go much deeper.
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>>323223683
Eagle Shield? It's the lightest GS in the game.
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Reminder that those of you that like Dark Souls 2 PvP and are also dexfags only got your wins because poise doesn't exist in that game.

If there was DaS1poise your shitty running dagger attacks wouldn't stagger shit and you'd get hit for 2K damage every single time. I hope they bring it back for DaS3. You fucking stunlocking retards need to learn how to do something other than mash and pretend you're good at playing others all because Tanimura decided it was good to let stunlocks be the norm.
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>>323224018
I can't bring myself to believe that people don't think DaS1 PvP is broke as fuck, I think everyone just came to terms with it.
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>>323224185
Don't hate the players.
Hate DaS II PvP. It sucks.
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>>323223997
If you're playing Dark Souls II then congrats, you've already found the best straight sword in the game, maybe besides Fume Sword. But try Estoc and Rapier. Estoc gets better reach, Rapier gets better damage and lower stamina consumption.
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>>323224041
Who you talking to son?
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>>323223683
You could use spear and shield in DaS too.
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>>323224185
Hyper armor has been confirmed for Dark Souls III, so heavy weapons become viable again. There's going to be some kind of poise, but it works more balanced between players and might not be tied to armor at all. This fixes Dark Souls 1's problem where heavy poise users could get backstabs too easily.
Instants backstabs are also back, so punishing parries probably becomes viable again, but they're now dodgeable with a roll, for example. When this happens, the player does a normal attack instead so Dark Souls II's problem where normal attacks turned into failed backstabs often is also fixed.
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Who actually has hope for Dark Souls 3's PvP?
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>>323224349
I was going to use Ricard's Rapier but I think I look like a faggot with it. But thanks, might consider it again.

This kind of shit doesn't happen to me in BB, every weapon is good and looks awesome as fuck. In DS most weapons are either too realistic for their own good, or so fantastical that they look retarded.
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>>323224304
As opposed to?

You realize people keep playing it because despite being kinda broken and imbalanced, the other options are even worse in almost every way.
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>>323224827
>In DS most weapons are either too realistic for their own good

I found your problem anon. There's no solution for shit taste.
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>>323224916
As opposed to people being as you described, deluded and not acknowledging the flaws. I play it because I know eventually I'll find someone who gives me a few good, non-broken matches. In my eyes, no Souls game comes close to a good DaS1 fight.
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>>323224548
Quoted poster or posters. There's just a line break in the wrong spot.
>>323224827
Don't use Ricard's, just the regular rapier if something.
Dark Souls II's one of the biggest problems is that almost every weapon is terrible. In BB, they did manage to bring back one of the best things about Dark Souls 1 and DeS, that at least weapons have decent variety while also being viable. Though in BB, they feel a bit samey to me overall, they're still very usable and what good's a weapon, even if there's just some variety if it's useless.
>>323225173
It's a very real problem in Dark Souls II.
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>>323225197
I don't get where you're getting this idea that people think Dark Souls 1 is a perfect game or that the balance in PvP is perfect. What it does though is play in a pretty unique way that no other game plays in and does it the best in the series.
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>>323224304
I don't understand it either, It's not even fun broken. Back when it came out i thought it was just a case of not having an alternative. but now...

I mean we have people here pretending DKS1 poise was a good thing and that Strength weapons were actually better in 1 then 2, when in 2 they are actually functional and 1 they were just backstab implements lol. What are you gonna do...
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>>323225729
You'll never hit a player with a strength weapon in Dark Souls II. And Dark Souls II is not broken in any kind of entertaining way, it's just easy as shit to abuse so no one can win you as long as you're using the right build.
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>>323226149
>You'll never hit a player with a strength weapon in Dark Souls II

Yeah, I'm gonna stop replying to you now
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>all the mad DaS2babbies crying ITT when competent players still stick to DaS1 as long as DaS3 remains unreleased
Yeah, you're not going to beat players with over thousand hours of experience just by learning couple of 'techs'.
>>323226343
Only walking potatoes would step into such telegraphed attacks.
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