What a great first line. Already deconstructing not only Star Wars tropes, but video game tropes as well.
What RPG doesn't have you endlessly looting corpses? You instinctively went for that corpse, because it is what you have done in every other game. But, then, Kreia almost breaks the fourth wall - making note of what you expected to be an entirely mundane act (in a video game).
>>323187829 The scene would maybe worked in a game without a retarded morality meter and dialogue choice that weren't either sucking everybodies dicks for light side points or being a 14 year old edgelord.
They didn't give the player the choice to say anything different, something that isn't Jedi/Sith before belittling the player for choosing one of 2 badly written dialogue options
>>323188894 >Get the 32bit version of flawless widescreen The what now?
>manually put your desktop resolution into the KOTOR INI I've done that before, it gives off this weird flicker effect when I open it and any time I try to tab out. Been a long while since then though.
>>323195639 Because they are just a zealous and blinded as the Sith.
The Jedi are a cloistered order who espouse peace and understanding but fail to understand the larger galaxy that they live in. Being detached from emotions actually forbids them from real compassion and they fail to understand the galaxy from the eyes of the majority of people who don't wield the Force.
And they often sit idly by while millions die in wars by refusing to act or to keep deliberating amongst themselves in their ivory tower.
Play Kotor 2 and then go back and play Kotor 1 and tell me the Jedi Council aren't filled with trite platitudes and inaction.
Bastila and Carth argue about the outcome of the Mandalorian Wars and Bastila said Revan caused millions of innocents to die because he disregarded the Jedi and fought the Mandos head on. Look how misguided she is, she literally thought the "wise Masters" had all the answers and that the Jedi should have waited to help. Bullshit, if Revan did not help the Republic defeat the Mandolorians, billions instead of millions would have died.
To get back to the task at hand, Kreia recognizes that the Sith and the Jedi are a RELIGION and not a philosophy anymore, they are power brokers just like the modern day Catholic Church or sovereign governments. They both wield the Force with disdain and incorrectly, the Sith seek to dominate it and the Jedi are ashamed of the Force, almost as if it is a burden.
I've done Dantooine and almost done with Nar Shaddaa. Are the other planets better? Dantooine was ok but Nar Shaddaa isn't that interesting desu. I actually liked Peragus and the beginning a lot with all the mystery and Kreia dialogue.
>>323195752 Fuck that. There's already a star wars games general, yet it is completely dominated by TOR. Even if we could keep TOR out of such a general, it would become stale like all other generals do.
Might as well keep the discussion fresh on /v/ while we still have new people playing it from the sale. Since both games are single-player, discussion will inevitably die down.
>>323189878 HK Factory is actually quite fun since you only get HK-47 and, unlike SWTOR, HK-47 is still both murderous and comical without being reduced to pure comic relief. There's a moment where you get into an argument and standoff with 3 of his copies before all of them realize their programing forbids them to self-harm, and since they're all copies of eachother they also can't harm one another.
Queue HK running around the facility breaking shit with impunity as the rest of the HK's passive-aggressively bitch at him over the intercom and call him names.
>>323181590 So what's the best order to do the planets if you want to Jedi-fy your entire team?
If you do Nar first to get Mira early, you likely won't have the influence with Atton to do his dialogue. If you do any of the other planets first, you may not have time to do Mira once you get her on Nar.
>>323202643 I do Nar Shadaa first every time. Nar Shadaa is actually the key planet to convert Atton. If you agree with Atton on Peragus and then talk to the Twi-Lek's in the refugee sector on Nar Shadaa, they will tell you he is a Sith trained Jedi assassin . This will allow you to get the session with Kreia on listening into people on the Ebon Hawk and will allow you to talk to Atton about his past.
>>323202831 HK was always a goldmine before SWTOR flanderized his character to hell and back.
Forget which, but in one of the KOTORs you can find a morality chip and instal it into him. It instantly turns him into a hug-bot pansy. When you yank it out immediately because he's even creepier when he's nice, he instantly flips his shit over what he temporarily became and is horrified/traumatized by the experience.
>>323202643 >So what's the best order to do the planets if you want to Jedi-fy your entire team?
Nar Shadda: Atton and Mira get Jedified. Dantooine: Get the Disciple (if you are female), get affinity with Bao Dur if light side Dxun: Go with Bao-Dur and Mira (for an extra affinity boost) and be a cool guy to the mandos in danger.
I don't know, I really enjoyed Peragus. The writers did a great job letting the player piece together the story of what happened to the station as they progressed. It's just a shame that HK had to lay it out in the simplest terms for everyone who wasn't paying attention.
The background music was pretty ass though. Having the same piece play on repeat for several hours gets pretty annoying, especially when it isn't very good to begin with.
>>323204038 >The background music was pretty ass though. Having the same piece play on repeat for several hours gets pretty annoying, especially when it isn't very good to begin with. A lot of the music is like that. The combat themes especially get old. I found that I was muting the music and playing my own during my last playthrough.
Not Manaan, though. I will always leave that on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD4YUEd18R0
>>323205286 haha that was so great >clutching all the fights because I used auto level up on my companions >barely getting by, practically using medikits every other round >get back my Guardian >wreck everything in two hits
>>323204982 >First level is your mentor training you through exposing you to great danger >Begin collecting companions who are drawn to you or seem to have a strange history with your mentor >Female warrior who is ostracized, has a strong sense of personal beliefs, but who is still young and whom can be shaped by you >Shady male tag-along who is clearly hiding a darker past and masks his feelings with a wall of fake-self-absorption >A programmed loyal companion who has no choice but to follow and support you no matter how good or evil you are >All of you are on a quest to destroy a hidden, mystical threat nobody else believes exists. >Threat is tied-in-to and supported by the largest ruling power of the time, and you have to fight through entire armies of footsoldiers to get to the main villains. >Encounter old tutors along the way that shape both your education and personality depending on how you deal with them. >Two main minibosses are half-dead abominations of magic who can only be defeated by you as you are special. >After all your hard work, your mentor turns on you and reveals it was all a plot from the beginning to shape you into the exact thing they needed to succeed. >The last mission is you fighting through the stronghold of your now-revealed master as your companions inevitably are lost, lose faith in you, die, or stick with you to the bitter end. >Defeat mentor in their throne-room and bring balance to the world again.
Is Jade Empire literally the same game as Kotor 2?
>>323206030 >>A programmed loyal companion who has no choice but to follow and support you no matter how good or evil you are who's this in Jade Empire? also, some of that is really grapsing for straws bro >Threat is tied-in-to and supported by the largest ruling power of the time a videogame where you fight the large empire? UNHEARD OF
So how exactly was the force manipulating its users, again? And how would getting rid of the force solve the problems of the world? I mean, mandalorians obviously weren't all force users and look at all the shit they did
>>323206913 Chai hates it but can't oppose you, and you can bind your Mentor's brother, the asshole in the suit of armor, into following you after you defeat him. You can have both of them as Closed Fist.
>>323206030 >Losing party-members in JE because you're too lazy to complete their side-conversations
But I'll admit there's a comparison there, especially if you don't have the restored content mod and suddenly Mira is dead and T2 is dead and GOTO is betraying you and Bao-Dur is probably dead and good lord.
>>323207719 I'm pretty sure I've gone in the cave in Korriban after just Nar Shadaa. You can get a shitload of LS/DS points in Nar Shadaa; there's just so many refugees and others that you can help or screw over.
>>323207097 It doesn't manipulate people. Kreia hates the Force because it breeds weakness; both through polarization of its use and the literal need to be connected to it at all times. The two most powerful religions (and their powerful followers) need it to survive and without it they die.
The Exile was being trained to represent how one does not need to rely on the Force in order to live, to illustrate the arrogance and failings of both the Jedi and Sith, that reliance on one single entity does not open you to the galaxy, it closes you off, separates you.
>>323209132 >>323209395 it's hardly external, it's an ability bsed on the user's potential and training, much like physical abilities >die the moment it's taken away from you lel I'd like to see anyone trying to take it away from me without getting crush opposition, insanity, force storm, plague, kill, force crush and drain life right in their face
>>323208898 She explains you can rely fully on it if you want, but you are utterly weak and foolish if you do.
This reliance has in turn created the Sith and Jedi mindsets of: wrestling with ultimate power which only leads to consumption of your "soul" and carrying the burden of power and being ashamed of it, which causes you to withdraw from life itself; respectively.
>>323209648 Kreia stripped the Jedi masters of their power with ease, she showed them what it was like to live in the Galaxy through the eyes of the Exile, and because of their reliance on the Force, they perished because they were not strong enough to survive without that link.
I really am astonished you cannot look deeper into what she was saying, ironically, it's quite a black and white explanation of a grey area subject.
>>323209648 The force is not a latent power. Yes, a force user's effectiveness lies in their level of training and abilities, but it isn't a power that comes from within. The second you take away the force, almost every Jedi and Sith would be nothing more than a couple of pretentious mooks.
Also, your reasoning about why it would be impossible to have the force taken away is exactly why Nihlus and Sion are such pathetic, tortured characters.
>>323210004 >>323210259 but you could argue basically the same thing for absolutely anything >oh you're a great melee fighter? well you're weak because what if you lose your arms? >oh you're a great lobbyist? well you're weak because what if you lose your arms? >oh you're a great painter? well you're weak because what if you lose your sight >oh you rely on your abilities without using the force? well you're weak because what if a jedi uses mind trick on you because you didn't train as much in the force as he did I'm aware this sounds like reductionist shitposting but I am seriously not following how it is different to lose an ability because you lot a limb and losing force abilities because someone took them away
>>323210454 Because losing an arm causes someone to lose their profession not their life and soul.
Is a Jedi still a Jedi without the Force?
A quote from Kreia:
"Yes, and what are they without the Force? Take the greatest Jedi Knight, strip away the Force, and what remains? They rely on it, depend on it, more than they know. Watch as one tries to hold a blaster, as they try to hold a lightsaber, and you will see nothing more than a woman – or a man. A child."
>>323210793 >dismissing an entire philosophy because you think it's edgy instead of discussing it to understand it better >>323210784 Is a fighter who lost his arm (I guess the proper analogy would be the loss of both arms since we're talking about getting all force connection taken away?) still a fighter? I'd say it makes him unable to fight and thus a former fighter He's still able to teach people his fighting techniques, similar to Jedi I also disagree that being a Jedi is their "life and soul" It just seems that way because "Jedi" mostly refers to the followers of that philosophy, you have people like Jolee who don't define their life by being a Jedi >>323211315 Jedi definitely have different potential though which comes from within I don't wanna go the midichlorian route but there's definitely power levels that differ on an individual basis, assuming the same amount of training
I know you're just being a funster here but on a serious note I never understood why not having a lightsabre was so boring? I love it. It's so cool being a Jedi in a world where the Jedi are nearly all lost and so the same goes for lightsabres. And then you realize that being a Jedi has nothing at all to do with having a lightsabre and that's when you finally get it, when you know it for what it really is, just a tool. Works fucking well.
>>323212239 >they die You mean when Nihlus killed almost all the Jedi? Pretty sure they didn't die because of their lack of force connection but because of the shock of having the force taken away >>323212310 But they're reliant on an external power the same way anyone is You're always bound by physical reality and the force is part of that I'm having a hard time explaining what i mean without sounding like a freshman philosophy student >but it doesn't matter much since that potential is only useful for using the force Sure it's a niche skill but the benefits are immense
How do I avoid boredom after halfway when playing KOTORs? Every single time I get sort of uninterested after first or second free roam part planet, and just quick run the rest. I can't even remember the point of the Wookie planet in KOTOR 1 because of this ´´.
>>323213301 I think you misunderstand, Nihilus literally killed the Jedi, he didn't render them incapable of feeling the Force as Kreia did.
Literally watch the final scene at the Dantooine academy and who will see that Kreia only took away their connection to the Force, as the Masters were about to do the same to the Exile. The Exile survived Malachor because he quickly deafened himself to the Force, which I imagine is quite visceral and shocking, and yet he didn't die.
It's reinforced in kotor 1 and 2 and the goddamn movies that Force sensitives rely on the Force to live.
Stop posting at any time because I was cordial before but now you're just shitposting.
>>323215634 I got Atton to be a Jedi at the beginning of Nar Shadaa with my quoted strat, just talk to those Twi'Leks wihtout Atton in your party. And then bring him to the Serocco territory and let him fix the speeder there. You'll gain major influence points and be able to convert him.
As for Kachmekt or whatever his name is, if you bumrush where he is on the ship it will open up a dialogue and you can intimidate him using darkside options to leave, its worth the alignment shift to end the fight without difficulty.
>>323208290 You can, and imo its way more fun, you just have to act light sided with them for influence gains, The higher your influence they more theyll shift to whatever alignment you are. The biggest problem i had with this is even once they go dark side, theyll still get pissed at you if you say; kill someone with a now dark side handmaiden in party. Really disappointed me
So what's a good composition for the second party on the second Onderon visit? The last fight is the only part of the game this I can't seem to just blow through, best success was with 1-2 people down. I used was Mira, Atton and Kreia, with HK and Visas with me.
>>323217384 G0-T0 is surprisingly useful because he can stealth the minefield to disable the turrets as well as fuck around with the droids. It's like the only part of the game where he's a worthwhile party member.
Visas is usually good since she's going to be the strongest non-Kreia force user unless you min-max Disciple. In addition to the normal Force spam, she can use Beast Control on the Sith beasts if you teach it to her.
Third party member is just whoever your best tank is.
>>323218101 Max strength + two-weapon fighting + flurry + Force speed + two upgraded lightsabers. If you want more durability, put on some heavy armor and have Kreia cast speed.
>>323218684 how do you mean correctly? I mean sure maybe you can't minmax utterly without guides but how can you actually fail at being a Jedi Guardian? they're unkillable and do great single target damage
>>323218101 Light side. Max Dexterity+Finesse lightsaber fighting+ Double-bladed/ Duel lightsaber (if you have the crystals/ resources). Use Flurry. Get force speed+defense+Battle meditation. Congratulations, you now have a ridiculous defense making you almsot untouchable while being able to cast whatever other powers you want and being a walking blender that 1-shots most things. Start Sentinal. if you want more defense go Watchamn, otherwise Weaponmaster for more offense.
>>323181698 >Obsidian desperately tries to get you to realise the lightsaber is at best a crutch and at worst a vastly inferior weapon for a more civilized age. >Even work in a line deconstructing a jedi's almost phallic worship of lightsabers and the force to the point where they're shit without either. >nobody buys it and immediately indulge in a free lightsaber party as the exile builds his/her power ranger squad of useless angsty fuckers while a crying kreia looks through the window of the ebon hawk.
Seriously though dual wield heavy mandalorian pistols with the right mods = vastly superior to anything a lightsaber can do.
unless you take finesse:lightsabers, min/max DEX and INT so you have the skills to build a crazy lightsaber, the DEX to never get hit and always hit back, and force powers to pull off 8 attacks per round
>>323221649 what possible reason could you have for going non-lightsaber melee? at least a gunslinger is different than what you most often play as but a melee jedi is just the same as always sans crystals
This is not the most fucked melee build you can make, but it is mine.
>Consider anything but DEX and CON dump stats. max DEX, spare CON >weapon finesse: melee/lightsaber depending on what you want to use. >Master two-weapon fighting >Master Critical strike >Master force speed >Master Battle Meditation >Master force immunity is nice but not needed. >Master blaster disaster deflect, or whatever it's called. Also not necessary but very desirable for a non-lightsaber build. >Create/equip the immunity: stun, fear, horror implant OR a dex modding implant >Two keen melee weapons, build for massive criticals build for nothing but keen, massive criticals and anything with an already low crit range like the twilek lesbian blades or the Ryyk blades.
Crit at least 50% of the time. Never miss. Never get hit. If you get hit. you're so tough the pain just feeds your crit machine. >
>>323203609 If you played KOTOR on Android, you could also use mods be creating an override folder, but no KSE.
They have been toying around with the idea of porting KOTOR 2 to mobile as well. No official announcement or anything, just something they wanted to get feedback from consumers. (http://www.aspyr.com/games/star-wars-knights-of-the-old-republic-ii-the-sith-lords)
>>323204038 >>323204395 The second game even more so. While KOTOR has a traditional soundtrack with respectable battle themes, KOTOR 2 does that Wind Waker thing where audio cues respond to actual events ingame. But since it applies not only to combat, but to exploration and dialogue(dialogue being the better done of the three), and given that Peragus is a big empty space station, you can guess how it goes.
>>323203857 >Ron Perlman, uninterested in vidya, does jobs for the money. >they made a character in a game about Jedi who doesn't give a shit about Jedi but is doing it for his own reasons look like him
>>323187970 They are bringing it up because Avellone is rubbing your nose in his logical fallacies by forcing you to have the conversation with that old cow right after that and all other edgy events. Fuck Kotor 2 and fuck Darth Ayn Rand.
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