If magic doesn't exist, then how did Carmine's car get fucked by giant fucking statues in London, so much so that the hood of the car ended up with a giant mark on it?
Did the Government really build a super secret passageway inside Tower Bridge? If it clearly wasn't magic, how was it concealed to a whole nation of people who weren't high off their ass from all that drinking water?
Did Layton and Wright seriously get sucked into the fucking book? Was it just to trick the viewer, and in actuality they were just drugged or something? If so, how the fuck did Darklaw get away with drugging Phoenix Wrght in the fucking court with guards all over the place?
If the machines were simply concealed, i.e merely invisible to the people, how has no one in the many years of living there bumped into seemingly nothing? Did no one seriously take a walk at the place where the concealed clock tower is?
Are these plotholes or am I just not smart enough to understand what's going on?
From the 4th chapter onwards The tstory goes full laytard and the explanations are disgustingly retarded, so yeah, plothols the size of a galaxy over there and even more you didn't mention.
So they did the "magic" making everybody get unconscious and doing the shit behind the scene in the meantime yet absolutely NO ONE remembers constantly falling and standing up while losing consciousness. It's not like their perception of time freezes or anything, that would've been a somewhat reasonable explanation, they literally fall down when depicted as "unconscious" yet no one conveniently remembers any of that. They don't even realize. Of course.
Also, I don't quite remember, but the game contradicts with the cutscene in which layton gets turned into a golden statue, his arm falls in a certain spot and in the trial everyone seems to remember it fell in an absolutely different one. The fuck.
This game was clearly in development hell forever, just look at the first trailer, it looks nothing like the final product.
So yeah, your concerns are legit. The story just doesn't hold up and blows on its conclussion.
>Trying to fix PLvsPW plotholes
Op, you'll get an aneurysm.
The game is fucking retarded. I don't understand why people praised it so much. I tried warning Americans that it wasn't anything special since we were fortunate enough to receive the game earlier, but people fell for it anyway. The first few court sections are the best part. The game ends up falling apart later.
We tried going back to the roots and ended up making arses out of selves when we said feminism was the 1st KKK.
Is that a quote or something?
Also the first two cases are completely subbed on Youtube by the way.
>mfw ending of DGS's case 2
>If magic doesn't exist,
don't worry it exists
Mimi gets plastic surgery to look like Ini
shows Mimi's face when disguised as Maya channeled by her to pin the blame on her when logically she would still have Ini's face
Ace Attorney logic is fucked at times
I'll agree Phoenix is a real dumbass in many occasions, and Layton is very Sue-ish (it can be played straight without being too much of a bother in his own game, but in any crossover, his over-perfection is going to show too clearly).
Still, in Layton vs Phoenix, Phoenix wasn't just a dumbass... he was flat-out retarded. He's never been THAT slow on the uptake, and I would've liked his out-of-the-box thinking to at least surpass Layton's puzzle fetish once or twice.
The two devs team argued with each other all throughout development and the end product ended up being nothing like what was originally envisioned (or even advertised in the earliest trailers) apparantly
That was the problem with the two games clashing, it was inevitable because of how their worlds intersect.
Ace Attorney world is where everyone is a blithering retard, to the point that common sense and basic logic is treated as a superpower, and people can't tell the difference between Phoenix Wright and Furio Tigre.
Layton world conversely is a world where everyone is some kind of supergenius who can come up with puzzles on split-seconds, and is intellectual to the point where literally everything, even commerce at some points, revolves around designing and solving puzzles.
Phoenix is a butt monkey in his own series, and just happens to be someone of average intelligence in a world of retards. Even with that, he still gets treated like shit because everyone is stupid so they can't even realize his brilliance.
Layton meanwhile is an uber-genius in his already superior world. Layton has always been a perfect Mary Sue who knows everything and can do no wrong.
So of course when you combine the two you still have Phoenix as a butt monkey (even when he's right), and Layton as beacon of perfection. The differences just become even more striking.
The game was a mess, but at least we got some pretty characters from it.
>Phoenix is a butt monkey in his own series, and just happens to be someone of average intelligence in a world of retards. Even with that, he still gets treated like shit because everyone is stupid so they can't even realize his brilliance.
It's more like Phoenix's game relies more heavily on comedic situations than Layton's ever does. There's normal, well-adapted, average-or-genius intelligence level characters in Phoenix's setting, they're just usually on the side that opposes him or doesn't provide aid to him. The games rely on the main character interacting primarily with idiots (Edgeworth's games too, though to a lesser extent than Phoenix's), so you have to fight past their lies and their faulty logic to gain the upper hand.
But it matters little, because judging from what you DO see, it does seem like everyone is an idiot that can't into logic.
I never felt like Layton's games tried painting anyone but Layton as an uber genius, though. I mean, most of the puzzles are freaking easy to solve (or rely on cheap tricks to keep the answer from being logic) and there's loads of characters who can't into them. So as far as background characters go, I'd say both series have bumbling idiots to the brim. It's the way the main characters are depicted in their settings which makes the clash so badly. Phoenix, as you say, is a butt monkey, while Layton is perfection incarnate.
But she only looks like Ini superficially, her later sprites even reflect that. They're still sisters, too.
This is now a Barnham thread.
>Both Barnham and Blackquill are brought back and they share their moe autism
That would be a dream come true.
It's just a secret passage.
The book was written with the special ink and that drugged them.
People were hypnotized into thinking there was nothing there, but their brains were still processing it on a subconscious level and so they avoided them.
Why is there no fanart of this already?
>motorboat, expensive clothes
I'll never understand
Was this game's plot pants on head retarded? Yes. Was it immensely entertaining anyway? Absofuckinglutely.
I kept expecting Accidenti to be the villain or be an accomplice somehow but he was totally irrelevant. And I don't know why they just threw Barnham aside in the last case, he was a great character (dat pup!)
This game needs porn desperately. Darklaw, Espella, even Maya's got some A+ cans, especially in 3D. Shame Espella's character doesn't exist, her design is great.