>"We've heard our female employees," he said. "And my daughter tools me out about it. She saw a World of Warcraft cinematic of the Dragon Aspects, and my daughter was like, 'Why are they all in swimsuits?' And I was like, 'I don't know. I don't know anymore.'"
Uh oh. Metzen's got the dumblritis
He has always been attracted to the corruption.
Nothing has changed female character still look sexy and skimpy clothed in all their games, if you wanna shit on Metzen then do so because of his juvenile writing and Steve Jobs tier of control over everything not because of something that might further your agenda against the SJW.
it didn't. up to wotlk she had been consistently portrayed in the lore as an old matron figure. people were pissed off she was suddenly introduced as a young maiden in a bikini in a winter landscape
>wearing a mask of a whole body shot
>of someone you aren't even pretending to be
because sexuality is a womans strongest power over men. Particularly in fantasy settings: see Game of Thrones. The girls have the guys wrapped around their fingers and they don't even know it.
...also it grabs attention on the box art
MUH THRALL IS AGOOD BOY NOBLE SAVAGE NUH UH WEARING ARMOR AND CALLING FOR HELP IN A MAKGORA IS TOTALLY FINE JUST TRUST ME YOU DUMB FUCKS
>'I don't know. I don't know anymore.'
lmao i'm sure if you just remove the titillating fan service you'll go down in history as someone who didn't spend his life making retarded shit for manchildren
Yes, but those races are still largely in charge of what goes on in the world, while the Old Gods have no great control over what they do. Even the races the Old Gods themselves created, like the Nerubians and Naga, retain free will.
gee that sure would be progressive equality
move along TumblrBot
>Implying Metzen does anything but run around the Blizzard offices snorting coke off strippers while holding the doomhammer screaming ' I AM the warchief'
Giving the aspects human forms was lame though.
In Frazetta's stuff pretty much both males and females are naked, but it comes across as erotic and tasteful, not pathetic fanservice.
So that's the only choice? Swimsuits or burkas? If they weren't so busy pandering to you fucking man children then maybe we could get some real sexy female characters in video games.
>don't worry tumblr, we'll pander to you
>proceed to give us widowmaker, mei and d.va
metzen can't write a story to save himself, but he won't cave to other peoples opinions. based
Yes, a shapeshifting magical creature can look however it pleases, a man, a middle aged woman, a fish, a young, hot nymph, personality can cause someone to gravitate to a look, but it doesn't set it in stone. Why shouldn't the aspect of life take the form of someone in her sexual prime?
Take me back /v/.
Take me back to a time when nerds only had to worry about physical violence and not this infintely worse mental torture.
You know the reason nobody wants to please you fucking retards is because you jump to this kind of bullshit right?
>guy wonders if a female character in a game should wear a bikini
>OH WELL I GUESS IT'S JEW ARAB LAW FROM NOW ON GUYS LET'S ALL CUT OFF OUR COCKS AND STAB OUR EYES AND MAKE WOMEN WEAR BURKAS PRAISE ALLAH
I mean, you realise this just makes the people who call you overreacting babies RIGHT, right?
He's really not wrong. It looks stupid from a thematic point of view, got nothing to do with wanting to censor sexuality. I fucking love this drawing right here cause it's godlike fapmaterial, but if I am in a game I want to enjoy worldbuilding and atmosphere. Something like a robe would really look more magical/divine/whatever than the current outfit. As they are these human forms are not awe but boner inspiring. It kind of brings down the whole "interacting with a divine being" feeling.
Sylvanas can look like the dumb slut she is, though.
Yeah true, there needs to be a lot of carefully controlled aspects in fantasy art to pull off nudity and still make a character look powerful and intimidating. Frazetta was a master of atmosphere, color and dynamism. These things can be controlled in a static painting but not in a moving video game without looking stupid occasionally
But it works like that, you either bow over to the SJWs or you don't. Censorship is always censorship, lack of ethics is always lack of ethics. You can't do it and say that you don't do it.
>not having the strength to be honest with your own children about how the world works so that they are smarter and can later benefit from it
yeah no instead just say "hurr durr i don't know" or make some lie up that they believe for the rest of their life and adjust their mindset according to it.
what's so hard about saying. "well you see, some guys like to see that sort of thing. have you ever heard sex sells?" then he can feel free to explain why it might not be the most moral thing it's a fucking business and on the scale of morality, of all the things businesses do, it's not all that fucking important
But that is exactly what you are enforcing retard.
You are questioning why she is wearing that.
And the answer is because she can, which means she can wear what ever the fuck she wants.
But that is not enough for you because that means someone else is acting outside of your influence.
>being this autistic
what's wrong with whoever designed her's artistic vision? Are you going to burn disk drives and manga books which portray female warriors in ways you dislike? What is this? the fucking 21st century inquisition? Grow the fuck up !
Holy shit, please fix it. I wouldn't want your daughter to be distracted from all the killing by women in bikinis. We gotta have at least a little dignity here in our murder simulators.
When you have a boy, you have to worry about one dick. When you have a girl, you have to worry about every single one.
So naturally instead of parenting, it's easier to jump unto the blame everyone else wagon instead.
>being this beta
You call yourself a homosexual, yet still sanction the male form and approve the display of the female form?
You aren't just a homosexual. You're a castrated (by women) homosexual. Which is pretty pathetic considering women shouldn't have the power to shame your sexuality to begin with, seeing as you seek men.
That makes no sense, anon.
Censorship is always censorship, yes. Somethings deserve to be censored but only the extreme. Like if a character in a kids game started fucking the kids then that would deserve to be censored since it had no place in the game.
Have bikini armour by all means but, have an alternative too.
It's an admirable effort to try talk sense, but don't waste your time. It's this simple for /v/:
If it panders to your dick, it's good. If it doesn't, it's bad.
If the next Tomb Raider game came out and it had no gameplay at all, but featured Lara in a bikini giggling and licking a lollipop, it would be a BASED and correct decision, and anyone who said "but I wanted a proper tomb raider game" would be a FAGGOT and a KEK. Likewise if any vidya girl puts on some clothing rather than taking it off, it's a SJW invasion and western civilization is doomed, and the terrorists won.
I have nothing against sexy whatsoever, I love it. But you have to keep in mind there are a lot of genuine virgins who don't give a shit about ANYTHING beyond the fapfuel in their games.
Just take a look at the FFVII threads. Nobody gives a shit about any aspect of the original game being changed but they all cry about Tifa's tits. I'm convinced that no matter how big they make her tits people will be crying that they should have been bigger.
The saddest thing about all this is it just constantly proves misogynists right.
Women are too incompetent to do things on their own. Their only power comes from manipulating males and infiltrating our institutions.
For the male enjoying his entertainment, the question to females is: "why don't you gather up some females and make your own?"
Their answer is a resounding "I can't."
Poor women. Hopefully we can genetically engineer them to have male brains soon.
>It's yet another GamerGate thread
You people haven't been relevant for more than a year. Fuck off
Done right, nudity can be intimidating as fuck
>one of the leaders of the free world wants to discuss it
>it's totally not relevant you guys
>being so castrated that the naked male form is both unwanted, abhored, feared and reviled
What's so wrong with the male form , anon? Are you actually more prude than the original settlers of America? You know, the PURITANS?
How, as a society, do we manage to get so castrated so as to find the male form distasteful? Why is it your first assumption no one wants to see naked men? Are you a mysandrist?
I was questioning the fucking part when he said that if they're not wearing a bikini they should wear a burka.
Bikini armour is retarded but why not have it? I'm just saying why not have an alternative too?
I don't think there would have been any reaction to Sylvanas' new outfit if it didn't look like mismatched cata questing greens. Fuck, the only reason she ever wore the bikini was because they've always been too lazy to give her a unique model. Then when they lazily slapped the dragon aspect model on her, they had no other armor made for it so the bikini came along.
Yeah I actually think I'm going gay tbqh
All this fatwhale shrieking toxic femininity has really washed the glitz and glamour off women.
Wondering what I ever saw in them in the first place.
IT'S 2016 GUYS, COME ON
>liberals are now unironically using "please think of the children" as an argument
WHAT THE FUCK WENT WRONG
>b-buh, men are never portrayed this way!
>it's a male power fantasy!
Man, are you a retard? I said that censorship is bad in most cases but sometimes it has to be used. Not saying the swimsuit example should be censored at all just that censorship is a necessary evil.
But by all means keep making shit up.
Not only am I not american, I also hate americans.
Nice try canacuck
I would call you a cretin but that would be offensive to real life idiots.
You are still enforcing your own views on someone else. You think the bikini armor is retarded but never ever considered that the person wearing it might like it?
If you want an alternative go somewhere else then. The character probably got along fine before it even came into you field of awareness.
>"Thrall is the key to all this"
What did he maean by this
>w-we're t-totally different from the Bigots we fought off in the past who used these very same words! I swear!
>H-here, this is w-why we're not being as retarded as the bible thumpers of old!
It's crazy how these idiots went full circle on themselves.
What's wrong with the portrayal of the male form? Are you a mysandrist , to asume the male form is unwanted and undesired? Or just insecure in your own body? I mean, JoJo's quite popular and it's full blown male homoerotic...
Old /v/ hates Other-M
If today's /v/ tried to have a thread complaining about Samus being turned into a dumb bimbo, what do you think would happen? Be honest.
You know that in the current climate it would be a bunch of fucking retards saying OH SO THE CREATOR CAN'T DO WHAT THEY WANT?? YOU TRIGGERED?? SHE SHOULD WEAR BURKA?? WHAT'S WRONG WITH SEXY?? LOL SAMUS IS TRANS LOL GO BACK TO TUMBLR
When did you grow up and realize MUH SJW are just a boogeyman?
I myself think it's kinda problematic that we have demon hunters,Blademasters and most end bosses, running around shirtless. It gives boys a wrong and unrealstic image how men should look like.
>Bikini armour is retarded but why not have it?
I'm not forcing anyone to do shit. Just because I think it's retarded doesn't mean people should stop using it.
If they like it then why the fuck shouldn't they wear it?
You haven't even been able to counter my arguments, everytime you just make shit up. It's like trying to talk to someone who is bipolar.
Oi, fuckface, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO DESIGNED THE ENTIRE NIGHT ELF AESTHETIC.
I've fucking seen WC3's concept art, mang. If anything, the art team improved upon the concept by covering up most of the female NE units when it made sense to do so.
You're original idea had them all running around wearing leaves. LEAVES. You show that shit to your daughter and then answer her fucking question.
Watch out, anon. He's probably going to spam pics of girls wearing shitty armor with long flowing hair, even though a serious fighting woman would cut that shit short to keep it from getting tangled in links and plate joints
I'm grown up and see the truth
My eyes are open
Fuck off SJW
supreme leader, please dictate how every single female character looks like in every game.
supreme leader, thank you for the daily rations.
supreme leader, thank you for your benevolence and infinite wisdom.
I would hang around with anub'arak, he had a hard life, and seems really chill
>It's gigantic and you can go in his back
>he can web you at night if it's cold
>he will eat niggas that cross you
>he comes from the depths
It's simple. Blizzard will always want to suck at the money fattened tit of the casual consumer. Considering the noise being made on Social Media about My Soggy Knee, wouldn't surprise me they make loud, public displays of how equal and progressive they are.
As for people saying SJWs don't affect games, look again.
>one person is retarded
>MUH SJW ARE TAKING OVER THE INDUSTRY
>You haven't even been able to counter my arguments.
Why should I, because you have none at all faggot. All you are saying that you want it to cater to you. Do you ever stop and wonder why waifus and husbando is such a major selling force throughout history?
It's comfy, when you don't have sand in your butt or inside the suit anyways. Being naked is even comfier, but, you know, morality.
Isn't that the guy who is pushing for more women in shit just because they have vaginas and when they asked him why, he literally just said 'because it's 2015' like the current year even passes for an argument?
Dragons only really use their other form to either hide their identity or for show. Considering they're not hiding their identities, if they're intentionally choosing a more attractive form for show then it would make sense for them to really play it up.
The real reason that they're all in swimsuits is laziness though. Finally create a new model, create 1 armor to go with it, slap colored versions on everyone including Sylvanas, call it a day.
>little girls are better at designing super heroes than you
>implying little boys would draw women in skimpy outfits
im genuinely curious if they would but i highly doubt it.
little boys wouldn't draw women superheroes at all because they know innately how retarded that shit forced meme is
>As they are these human forms are not awe but boner inspiring. It kind of brings down the whole "interacting with a divine being" feeling.
do really need to show you scriptures of old greek gods?
none of them wear more than a tunic
No, I'm not, anon. Having an opinion on something does not equal demanding they change it.
I think McDonald's is a shit brand but I don't try to make them change it.
But let me guess your next post will ignore the last ones and still claim I want things changed when I never claimed that.
>"We've heard our female employees," he said. "And my daughter tools me out about it. She saw a World of Warcraft cinematic of the Dragon Aspects, and my daughter was like, 'Why are they all in swimsuits?' And I was like, 'simple honey, to grab more and more money.'"
fixed, you're welcome
This debate have gone so far that I have even started to defend horns on helmets. Because it always boils down to everyone seems to think that the enemy you are fighting against would just stand there and let you unleash a combo unto them.
Remember comrades, if you see a liberal talking about videogames, playing videogames, or making videogames... REPORT IT to your nearest GG station.
These people do NOT belong in OUR hobby so report all liberal behavior on sight.
Stay strong, we are with you.
I've never understood the "its a male power fantasy!" argument. If a male power fantasy is having an athletic physique, why wouldn't a female power fantasy be the same? Are they implying that women would feel at their most powerful if they were fat heifers?
IIRC Bayonetta was designed by a woman as a female power fantasy, and people shit on her for being overly sexualised all the time.
So men feel powerful being really athletic and showing off their amazing physique, but women don't? Then wtf is a female power fantasy supposed to look like? If a woman had the ability to give herself any physique in the world just by snapping her fingers, she'd probably give herself a slim physique, even if you take sexuality out of the equation and say "you have to pick the best physique for reasons OTHER than attracting a man", they'd still see an athletic body as superior to the other options.
Basically what it comes down to is men are more ok with being ogled by the opposite sex than women are, so the whole "well, how would YOU like it if all the male characters were wearing speedos?!" argument falls flat on its face, which means feminists have to come up with a new explanation as to why its reasonable for them to be upset and demand special treatment.
seriously though why is there anything wrong with half the seats being men and half being women if women make up half the population?
how else did you expect him to respond to a question like that?
Blizzard has been garbage for years. It's laughable that you permavirgins only throw a fit now that Metzen censors some stupid shit.
>best midriff in vidya is gone
Oh well, we will always have fan art, which is better than the in-game model anyway.
Okay I went through all the replies to OP and I still have no fucking clue what video you guys are talking about.
Anyone help me out?
>argument falls flat on its face, which means feminists have to come up with a new explanation as to why its reasonable for them to be upset and demand special treatment.
they just need to say "it's rape" they don't need any argument, not that they had a single one to begin with
Feminists love bayonetta and they tore arthur gies apart for complaining about her sexuality in his review.
Only Anita and a tiny handful of dopes complain about Bayonettas sexuality and they always get shit from both sides for it. you need to let go of this "bayonetta makes feminists mad!!!" meme, it's very rarely true
>Woman get breast physics and shit
>Men are all flat with no dicks
>Not even a little bulge or even body hair
WHEN WILL OUR TIME COME?
>how else did you expect him to respond to a question like that?
Exactly the way you did, "half the seats are women because women make up half the population and we're supposed to represent the people"
Not "CURRENT YEAR"
I'm of this opinion. It's OK if you're equal. For every stupid bendy shot of a woman's ass with her back arched so you can see her tits, do the same with a buff waxed man or a male underwear model. I hear chicks dig those guys on the CW, get those guys.
Do you people not see how lazy it is to just stick every new female design into a skimpy outfit and call it a day? Male armour gets interesting designs whilst female armour is just pandering to your dick. Do you not see how insulting that is to your intelligence, that they think you can only have a female character if they're half nude?
>I think McDonald's is a shit brand but I don't try to make them change it.
Don't eat there then.
IF you do happen to eat there endure it faggot.
You still have your opinion and you do not change it for anyone else.
Isn't that simple numbskull?
There you go the solution which works the best. You are even writing it and probably do not realize it.
I want MORE skimpy males in WoW and games in general. All of my characters are as naked as their armor class will allow me to make them. I eally wish Blizzard would let us transmog the invisible Leather chest so my Druids and Rogues and Monks can be totally topless with their fur speedos. At least the Demon Huner class is designed to let you show off delicious Night Elf and Blood Elf torso.
I don't really agree with this, but i remember in the ps2 soul calibur 3 had a bit of both, you could go full whore mode or some actual armor, and they looked good. I haven't really played much games with character customization but that one was decent for what it was
What about balls then? AND BODY HAIR?
NO MAN ABOVE THE AGE OF 16 DOESN'T HAVE ARM-HAIR, CHEST, STOMACH, LEG, PUBIC HAIR.
It's fucking dumb.
Then you are NOT welcome here
FUCK OFF... or you'll be sorry...
The people you're arguing with believe that criticism is equivalent to censorship if it's done by people they disagree with. Don't waste your time, you might as well be arguing with a brick wall.
Your character is ugly and wow models are ugly.
Get some taste you dysfunctional faggot.
eat shit and die scum, gaymergators goal and endgame is atleast justice and fairness for all instead of a corrupt thoughtpolice esque future when a humans gender is used to decide of it should be allowed rights or to have any indipendent thoughts at all.
I've seen some pretty bad legit gamergate activists, but they pale in comparison to the legions of mindless sjw drones who threaten everything about free speech, thought and legit journalism.
There is -ONE- thing we desire, to play our games in peace and not to be hounded on how we need to die and how evil we are for literrally hurting no one by embracing shut in culture and finding some relief from reality.but no, thats not okay, a woman needs attention somewhere!!!
They kicked the fat greasy basement of hot pocket bees, we had done nothing but to enjoy ourselves with content for us, by us, with us.
Apparently that rustles to many rumps, that fun as much as it is a buzzword on /v/ is being had by us, so please, take your underage pokemon girl and head over to /vg/, im sure they can use the filler pictures to keep their threads on life support.
>You still have your opinion and you do not change it for anyone else.
That's what I've been saying all along. Thanks for agreeing with me, anon.
This entire time I have been saying that my opinion is bikini armour is retarded but they shouldn't change it and refuting the point that if they don't wear bikini armour then they have to be wearing a burka.
As for the "you were probably writing it and not even realising it", I know I was writing it. That was the point.
But you were of the opinion that if you don't like what I like then you're forcing it to change. Don't worry, anon. I'm not.
>Male armour gets interesting designs whilst female armour is just pandering to your dick.
Protip: Just being a female is pandering to dicks.
So you should just call females lazy for being born female.
It's true though, both sides are assholes
I wasn't claiming any of us was particularly smart. I was claiming that they treat us like 13 year olds and as soon as any starts to ask that maybe some games should stop treating us like horny teenagers they get lumped in with idiots like Sarkeesian. Both extremes are stupid but 'muh bikinis, muh ethics' runs counter to every call we've ever made to be taken seriously as a medium.
They have body hair still, just not in the same qaunities as Europeans and Middle Eastern and West Asian.
Amen, brother. Amen.
Fine, have some intimidating nudity be Vallejo then.
Love a bit of Simon Bisley but can't beat Boris Vallejo
Hi gamergate. Shouldn't you be on the "superior" imageboard?
>I'm going to come into a WoW thread solely to bitch and whine about people liking WoW
Is pointless anger the fuel that gets you through your meaningless life?
I don't understand how there are people who genuinely forget that women are just people. Do you think they're just aliens? They don't think like you do? I really really hate falling back on insults, but this always strikes me as coming from someone who has never spoken to a woman properly.
Because women want to be attractive, feel attractive, and everything arround them speaks of this.
Even the fat tumblrite that protests against fat privilege, is just saying that she should be considered pretty against her figure.
>Only Anita and a tiny handful of dopes complain about Bayonettas sexuality and they always get shit from both sides for it
Hm, I always thought Bayonetta was poorly received in feminist circles. Guess I was wrong to assume based on Anita.
But in that case, doesn't the fact that Bayonetta is so well received by feminists more or less destroy the whole "male power fantasy" argument by itself? They're flat out admitting that looking sexy and athletic is just as empowering to women as it is to men. Ergo, there is nothing wrong with sexualising characters of either gender.
The problem with bikini armor is that it's become its own meme
of course bikini armor isn't going to protect you for shit- its about mobility not defense. The best defense is not being hit.
Whilst some people misunderstand the core point and argue they should be considered hot despite weighing 400 pounds, the main idea is that it shouldn't matter if someone is ugly or fat, they're still people and should be treated so.
Is it fair that you get treated like a creepy mouthbreather just because you are overweight? No, there's no reason to treat someone like shit for that.
>why don't you like what I like and hate what I hate?! I can't stand it when people enjoy things that make me mad!
It's telling just how many people here talk about "females" instead of women, and talk about them as if they are one great collective hivemind that act and think the same way. It reeks of someone who has had no female contact in their lives other than maybe their mothers. If they had even 2 girls as friends in their entire lives they might have learned that they're people too, and varied. But they haven't. They have no experience teaching them about women so they just project their insecurities or get mad that they're not as sexy or perfect as the waifus in their games designed and written by other men to appeal to their dicks.
Don't exactly dislike Vallejo, but his style is too clean and gruff-less for my taste; he's made some great stuff technically, but I find myself going back again and again to more visceral and dynamic artists.
You don't understand what I was saying.
You have an opinion, nothing more, your opinion is not worth ANYTHING at all.
You are allowed to have opinions, and if you are allowed everyone else is allowed.
The ones who made the bikini armor in the first place have more rights and more sway over it because they realized a vision, it's not an opinion anymore. It's a thing they created, produced and shared and is therefor worth way more than your worthless opinion.
If you want an alternative to bikini armor in a game that offers none you make it yourself or ENDURE it.
Or don't play that specific game in the first place. No one is forcing you to play it.
Why do you legitimately think that putting women in bikinis is anything more than the artist pandering to horny guys? This isn't about ethics or mobility or whatever bullshit you can come up with.
The only reason they are sexy is because it's hot and it sells.
Stop defending a corporation's attempts to trick you into buying bad games. You should be demanding that they produce better character designs that aren't solely there for getting your dick hard.
At least Kojima admitted it was about being sexy, /v/ is obsessed with claiming some higher purpose to having someone's tits popping out of their chainmail when it clearly doesn't exist.
You generally don't see men in equally skimpy outfits because most it's not what the audience wants. It's like if men complain about romance novels being too skewed toward female fantasies.
The games femtards are complaining about are primarily played by males, sometimes upwards of 90% male.
Have you considered that those fake women are the only women they ever had and other women they don't know are threatening to take these women away?
So there you go, maybe they love women in their way.
>It's telling just how many people here talk about "females" instead
Feminists told me calling them "girls" is sexist and bullshit.
I won't call them women since many are school girls.
So females it is.
>You should be demanding that they produce better character designs that aren't solely there for getting your dick hard.
I should be demanding Miss Universe to be different too.
I should be demanding many things.
Fantasy people are an ideal, not a reality.
Why can you blow off characters heads in video games?
Why does video games allow anti-religous themes?
Why does video games have curse words?
Come in people, it's 2016. I thought we were passed this?
Nobody wants to realize that a fantasy is supposed to appeal to your fantasies and desires.
For some reason it has to be respectful with reality.
What is this nonsense?
If I fantasize, I have to be realistic? How the fuck is it a fantasy then?
It is to anyone sane before it was co-opted by tumblr.
I see your point about his post but he said "many people," rather than "all women are just here to pander to men!" Which was legitimately posted in the thread earlier on.
It stumbles into ad hominem territory but it really is kinda telling that people here act as if women aren't even human or sentient. I used to kind of get behind GG but every time I visit /v/ nowadays it's hard to stomach quite how bad things have gotten. Both sides have pushed the other to distasteful extremes.
>It's an American posters struggle with depictions of human sexuality thread
No, they are not an ideal. If all you write are ideal characters walking around in sexy clothes you are a bad writer.
You should be writing realistic characters doing realistic things.
what the fuck kind of thing is that to say to your daughter?
>daddy... why are you making the females overly sexualized?
>Because it SELLS, honey. That's it. Learn a thing or two from your da' okay?
reminder that this is the kind of faggots that support this shit
For some reason, they're conflating "people complaining about a product" to "people won't buy this product."
They'll probably only lose like 100 sales from having sexy bikini models. People complain, but nobody gives enough of a shit.
Why don't they just do what the japanese do?
Make a version filled with cute girls for men, and a version filled with cute boys for the girls. Everyone gets what they like and nobody's fun is ruined. Do they hate money?
Or is the point to disrupt male entertainment?
The sad truth is more that everyone will fuck anything. It has always been that way and will always be that way.
Humanity is perverted to the extreme, if we found a new alien species we would compete to be the first one to have sex with it both male and female.
Just existing means someone probably would want to fuck you. And you can fetischise anything. So naturally just being a female is enough for someone to masturbate.
We are never ever going to be able to get away from this because if we do, we deny a huge part of what it means to be a Human and alive.
Kratos from god of war runs around in briefs and a loincloth of sorts and there's plenty of skintight "tactical" suits on male characters that would be naked ken dolls with different textures slapped on them.
this is why, you literal homosexuals
>Not even a little bulge or even body hair
and thats WITHOUT mods
>the same americans whose entire life is made around sex
>the same americans that hate the deciptions of 17 year olds on videogames while jerking off to underaged celebrities
Americans are hypocrites.
>You should be writing realistic characters doing realistic things.
>I'm creating a superhero
>he's bald, works at an office and has the power to fart at inconvenient times
>he saves the day by bringing fumes into our lives when it is most inconvenient
So realistic, what a fantasy theme
>My sister dissapeared
>I BET IT WAS THOSE DARN SJW
>hurr durr women irl don't wear skimpy clothing
fuck off, Metzen
There is nothing wrong with this
You seem to be confused. Male is used just as often. Worse yet, the word "boys" is used to paint males as childrend. Also, see how i used the word "males" when refering to men? It's called synonym words. females is often used in synonym with women.
Next time you're going to post such a lengthy post QQing about people overusing a word, please consider suicide.
If you actually think women are the same as men, you are either a woman or a dumb men.
Women have not accomplished nothing intellectually in the story of mankind. In 99% of the cultures that ever existed women are little more than male property, because they rightfully recognize their inferiority. When the western civilization (created by white, straight christian men) decides to give some worth to women they work as hard as they can to destroy the only culture that ever gave them something, if that doesn't prove that women are the dumbest creatures that exist out there I don't even know anymore.
Okay, but that doesn't mean sexuality should rule every aspect of our lives. Look at how HBO handles things. Realistic characters but with no shying away from sex, Greggs in The Wire didn't walk around in a bikini in the homicide department, that doesn't stop sex playing into the story. Quiet walking around in a bikini 24/7 is stupid fanservice because sex can enter a story in much better ways than just shoving boobs in your face.
Ok, I'm gonna say it like it has to be said.
Most of the time, save for wonderful exception women are whores.
Prove me wrong, I have an internet filled with prostitutes of all kinds to defend my statement.
I always find it hilarious that, in every thread about what fictional non-existent magical half-monster made-up characters wear, there are people who scream "I HATE IT BECAUSE IT ISN'T REALISTIC!!". You people LIVE in realism, video games and movies and such are for ESCAPING reality. If you can accept the giant magical space-traveling time-controlling half-man half-Sheeva half-Zeus half-alligator daughter who fights demons from Yonga-Bonga with fifteen swords held in her hands and tentacles but get your shit twisted over her wearing a bikini, you have major issues.
it's baby speak.
Anti-GGs unironically speak in baby jibber when insulting GG : "GOO GOO GA GAS!!" And the worst part is such a thing always looks bad. Even when you're being ironic.
It paints Antis as the bigger morons of both groups.
>people here act as if women aren't even human or sentient
See, you're going to extremes.
Nobody on /v/ HATES 3DPD and if they do, that's their loss and it shouldn't concern you. What many anons are sick of is this argument. Stop whining and just play some games. If you don't like one game, play a different one. They're upset because artists are being attacked for making the "wrong" kinds of characters and games are being harshly criticized for irrelevant shit again just like they were in the 90s
It's not a GG thing, it's a "make your own game and leave the rest of us alone" thing.
>treat your daughter like a princess shunned from the real world
>surprised when she turns into full slut mode or completely broken once reality hits her
So many shitty fathers out there.
Will World Of Warcraft start pandering to SJWs now that it is losing popularity?
I've seem it happening in many forms of media, it's the same thing always
>"oh no, we are getting unpopular"
>"the white man is literally satan, trans-babies lives matter!"
>"And my daughter tools me out about it. She saw a World of Warcraft cinematic of the Dragon Aspects, and my daughter was like, 'Why are they all in swimsuits?' And I was like, 'I don't know. I don't know anymore.'"
He is getting old
Why are females in any great number in a military fighting force anyway? a close quarters one at that.
>sexy clothes to appeal to men
>women in fighting force for diversity
Neither makes sense.
Urgh, this argument again.
You are conflating realistic as in "exactly like real life," and realistic as in "internally consistent and makes sense."
The former would be no magic. The latter would be trying to actually protect yourself when you go into a warzone rather than strutting around like you're at the beach.
I've always been sickened by both tumblr retards and gamergate. They're 2 sides of the same extremely retarded coin and every sane, rational person identifies with neither; but they keep pushing the idea that everybody has to be one or the other.
It takes more time, but it's lazy because you don't have to think about how to make your character interesting, you just make them semi-nude because you know nobody will look past the breasts.
Fair point, Bisley does a great job with ferocity and aggression like that Deathdealer. Vallejo and Bell don't really do savagery and rage that well. Bisley's Wolvering looks like he'll stamp your face into next year
Because it's the art direction of your fucking game, you talantless hack. Maybe next time your daughter will ask why people are wearing clearly impractical armor with huge pauldrons.
>"the white man is literally satan, trans-babies lives matter!"
It's an easy marketing tool to hop on that band wagon. Articles everywhere.
Nobody really gives a shit about the issues behind them and if we ignore it, most of this shit will phase out in the next 10 years when people get bored and find some new opinions to force on other people as a hobby. Just like global warming was constant hot button topic in the 00's but these days you rarely see anyone raving on about it since people stopped giving a fuck even if there really is no change in the real situation on a global scale.
Nah it's just funny to see glabbygloobers getting uptight and serious as fuck in response to the babytalk meme. Every single time. They can't resist it.
>please show our online movement respect
>SJWs are going to lose because they make fun of us with such childish language
HBO doesn't shy away from sexuality though, they have accepted it as a part of humanity and there does not play it up like it's a big deal. Which it isn't, ironically being a puritan only makes it bigger and more "brain deteriorating".
This is fundamentally untrue. The ones working hardest to destroy western civilization are always men. Women barely do anything and when they do they are backed by men. Anita may talk some shit, but Jonathan Macintosh is the one pulling the strings. Feminists might have some retarded policies, but they are supported by male senators and male journalists. I men hadn't suddenly decided to start destroying everything good about the west feminists would be nothing but a bunch of screaming imbeciles nobody cares about.
>a corporation's attempts to trick you
By God! He's cracked the code!
Watch out guys, the corporate boogeyman is using sexy mind control to sell games and TAKE OVER THE WOOOOOOOOOOOOOORLLLLLD!!!!!
It's almost as if sexuality worked differently in whimsical fantasy setting and serious crime shows. Next time you'll tell me that in The Wire people get killed after one shot and violence is gritty, which totally means that violence in WoW should also be drastic and a serious business.
kind of fucked up in WoW how the female characters all have to be relatively small and sexy. some races the males are huge and beast/alien-like and the females just look like reskinned humans
>putting words in my mouth
I hate the 2016 meme as much as you do.
Try reading the rest of my post rather than resorting to crying about a word that didn't actually take part in the argument.
>act like a retard
>everyone tells you to stop acting like a retard
>LOL THIS SHOWS HOW UPTIGHT YOU ARE
You sure are a big master of manipulation, and GG played right into your hand.
Late reply, but
>Character starts fucking kids
Then it's not a kids game, is it?
Politics is rarely black and white as people see it. Fact is when a new law is brought in to ban prostitution or a certain type of porn, it's almost always challenged by a woman who works in said industry and they usually consider themselves feminist, which puts them in direct opposition of feminists who pushed for the laws themselves.
Kojima get's a pass with distinction because he gave and in depth explanation to why.
And guess what, just saying "because it is sexy" is also a good enough reason to justify this.
That's what I'm saying. I'm saying that sex is a part of humanity, but that doesn't mean we should put every character in a bikini or skimpy clothing. Bring it into the story when it's required or put it in your game all over. But don't act like it's anything but fanservice and that you should be taken seriously. It isn't some "but this armour is more agile!" bullshit.
It's been stated many times before that Red Sonja wears revealing clothes to distract her opponents. In the fucked-up medieval fantasy world she lives in, this works a lot. Throughout the comics she often wears normal clothing or armor but, yes, for the covers she always wears the iconic chainmail bikini.
This is probably for two reasons:
1) its eye catching
2) bikini armor is her iconic identifying thing
WHY DOES NOZDORMU HAVE HIS MIDRIFT SHOWING? WHY IS WOW SEXIST TO MEN?!
You're taking my argument to extremes rather than taking it seriously.
Sex sells, that's what putting a bikini on Quiet was all about. Putting her in revealing clothing and then getting Reddit and other idiots to post screenshots of her ass all over the internet.
>But don't act like it's anything but fanservice and that you should be taken seriously. It isn't some "but this armour is more agile!" bullshit.
Why are you to govern what explanation a creator should give his work, though?
Just because we look it up ourselves as children doesn't mean it was meant for us.
Also I was too busy lurking hentai sites when I was 10.
Feminism has always been a broad movement full of people that disagree on many things, sometimes very strongly. I don't know why this is so hard for some to grasp and I don't know why it's assumed that the crazies on tumblr are the true representatives of the movement as a whole. Ok well actually I do know the last one, it's because it makes it easy to justify hating feminism.
She has a boys name. Male bronze dragons end is ormu. Ormi is for female dragons.
It's a subtle way of letting you know she's really a dude without being all SJW about being trans like Guild Wars.
That or Metzen doesn't know his own lore. It's this one.
Even though red sonja wears normal stuff sometimes she still looks like a badass semi-naked anyway and it doesn't have to be sexy titilation
>Basically what it comes down to is men are more ok with being ogled by the opposite sex than women are
No, what it comes down to is feminists can't handle anyone but themselves being ogled, admired, portrayed or even seen in public while everyone else enjoys idealization because having autism is not fucking normal.
That's because they conflate your stance on the issues one way or the other with support for one or the other. Gamergate has as its stated purpose something or other about ethics. Therefore, if you are against gamergate, you are against ethics, and conversely, if you are for ethics, as any well-thinking human being can be asumed to be, you naturally support gamergate. Therefore there are only people who support gamergate, whether explicitly or implicitly, and nasty SJWs who are completely insane and do the opposite of whatever a rational human being would do in any conceivable situation. Therefore supporting gamergate is the only rational choice, because the only other choice is to side with the people who make irrational choices 100% of the time.
It's airtight logic, really.
Women don't have proper 'power fantasies' because they see an idealized woman and instead of feeling admiration/a motivation as something to strive for, they become insecure, catty, and unhappy.
I remember when that was first revealed and men were getting boners and women were getting wet eveywhere. Everyone wanted to ride his dick.
Because if that anon doesn't like or agree with it then it's a horrible thing and the developer should give a better reason that fits what the anon wants to hear.
You know just as well as i do that that in depth explanation was made up well after he decided "because it's sexy." It's insulting that he thinks we'll believe that bullshit.
You're an idiot.
That makes sense.
I'm not saying you can't put a bunch of characters in skimpy clothing. But you can't start arguing that you should be taken seriously afterwards or that it isn't objectifying.
Omar gets shot in the head by a kid whilst buying cigarettes in season five.
so, you're saying it's impossible to build an internally consistent phantasy world where every woman wears skimpy clothing?
>CONSISTENT: agreement or harmony between parts or elements
According to this definition, as long as every woman in a f«fantasy setting wears skimpy clothing, it is consistent and thus makes sense.
The fact that you refuse this notion is nothing short of cognitive dissonance from a stubborn fellow who clings to things as they are in reality and tries shaping all fantasy settings to it because otherwise, it clashes with his preconstructed world views.
Oh. You're from Reddit. Don't bother replying.
Three dragon aspects have exposed skin. One of which is a dude (Nozdormu). The other two represent Life (Alex) and Nature (Ysera). The fact the Goddess of nature has any clothes at all is less thematic than the fact she has a bikini and the Goddess of life is obviously going to be sexy as fuck just as how tribal goddess' of life were statues of huge tits.
They could do, yeah, but heres where it gets tricky. If you truly believe in the concept of civil rights, then you should believe that a persons gender in no way influences their ability to do their job or contribute to society.
Because of this, you can't vote AGAINST someone just because they're a woman, but likewise, you can't vote FOR someone just because they're a woman either.
Ultimately I think this is one of those issues that will correct itself with time, and that forcing changes with a quota will be unnecessary at best and lead to backlash at worst. So I don't necessarily agree with the canadian PM, but I see his point. If men don't know what its like to be women and women don't know what its like to be men, and if politicians are supposed to represent the population, then how the fuck is a group of mostly men supposed to represent a population that is 50% women?
Like I said, I disagree with the guy, but I see his point. My problem is that instead of articulating his point in a way that provides a simple explanation, he opted for smugly saying some stupid clickbait answer that doesn't explain anything, its just a way of attacking his opponents by calling them primitive.
>But you can't start arguing that you should be taken seriously afterwards or that it isn't objectifying
That really seems more like a "you" problem. You're the one taking issue with characters after having seen too much skin and can't get over it. You're the one actually objectifying forms.
If they want realistic combat situations why are vidya women allowed to beat creatures far bigger than them?
Nobody fucking takes Warcraft seriously. And putting women in skimpy clothing isn't objectifying as long as they retain personality and agency beyond "have good tits".
>Busty girls advertising beer
Just because a game has some kid fucking doesn't mean is not a game that a kid can play.
I literally adore these threads: sanctimonious people that don't actually happen to have a religion do come and give lessons to people that probably are more caring than them and just happen to love forcing them into anger.
Well, if it is something that will correct itself in time, isn't he just ahead of the times? Or, put differently, aren't his opponents just behind the times?
I mean, come on.
I don't mind that they decided to give her a less skimpy outfit, but I'm mad they just covered her up with an ugly piece of leather. Couldn't they have tried to at least make the redesign look good?
>tfw when I'm an actual abdl
>looking at these people saying "GOO GOO GA GA!!" and meaning it as an insult
>immediately get put off from whatever they're saying.
What's next, you're going to smear your shit on the bathroom walls and imply supporting GG is somehow as insane as the bullshit you're pulling?
I don't have to agree with your "enemy" group to get put off by inane retarded shit you guys say. How can you hope to be taken seriously when you're acting as an ABDL in places and settings I, as an actual ABDL
meaning I get off to itwouldn't dare to?
TL/DR: grow the fuck up, jesus christ.
I appreciate your correct use of spoiler tags, but I've gotten so used to them being used for non-spoiler meme posting on /v/ that I just looked at that without thinking and am now kicking myself as I haven't watched The Wire yet. Damn you /v/.
those busty girls have personalities though, so you're wrong it's not objectification
objectification would be a beer can in between two massive tits and that's the entire ad - no face, no words, just the beer can and tits
If the advert is basically girls with tits saying that beer is good then no, they have no personalities. The character matter, not who's beyond the screen. Otherwise porn wouldn't be objectification.
>Warcraft was built on top of a 90s fantasy aesthetic that took some inspiration from all those famous Conan art and the like. Burly men and bombshell hot ladies were the norm and while it turned to a more comic book aesthetic in WC3 it kept a lot of elements from this era, like the loincloth-wearing orcs and female mages showing a lot of leg.
Is perhaps what he would answer if he wasn't an idiot.
Maybe it's your weird perspective because you get off on this shit blowing it out of proportion but nothing you're saying makes actual sense.
It's a little joke brah. Calm down. People are only having a giggle.
>women and gay men get together and produce above
>straight men still blamed for objectifying women
They will never be happy, do not try to please them.
Porn, at least straight porn, is largely the objectification of men. People at least admire the model. The dick she's working may as well be a floating disembodied appendage. Nobody cares about male pornstars.
And? He still went out of his way to write it in and that's commendable. You lot are always looking for the most menial shit to blame you own insecurities to for not being able to create something of your own I am frankly surprised you are still alive and have not killed yourself. But I guess a gun is to oppressive to use since it's a tool for killing.
Maybe it's your weird perspective because you get off on this shit blowing it out of proportion, but nothing you're saying makes actual sense.
It's a little skimpy outfit. Calm down. People are only having a giggle.
>"We've heard our female employees,"
I wonder if their office has gone full Ubi
>beastly man with cock out
>submissive nude woman
this triggers me
If its a broad movement full of people that disagree on many things, and therefore you aren't allowed to speak negatively of the movement as a whole because of a few people you dislike, then why should you be able to speak positively of the movement as a whole because of a few people you DO like?
Surely if its all one big clusterfuck and nobody agrees on anything, then ignoring it is the only unbiased thing to do?
I mean I can concede that hysterical legbeards on tumblr aren't numerous enough to represent the movement, but its not like there are women throwing themselves infront of horses or getting arrested for peaceful protests all over the place either.
The problem is movements are always hijacked once their purpose is fulfilled. The previous president of the American feminist organization quit because she was tired of fronting for "man-haters." Because of media coverage they may seem all powerful right now, but the reality is the opposite; non-commie prominent feminists of old are voicing increasing concern about "third wave" tactics aliening the average man. "The fact is, men are in charge. If they aren't engaged, nothing will get done."
As I've stated, boring is still a trait. Being into something is still part of your personality. You cannot call someone selling something in revealing clothing "objectifying" - if they had no personality they wouldn't be there, nor would they be so appealing to others.
This. SJWs are so childish I decided to join GG. Pic related it's fanart of our mascot and daughterfu Vivian James.
>mfw Carl is the only person in the thread who isn't retarded.
Did you forget Free! already? Part of the reason I rarely play male characters is because they don't look handsome. Even in character creation games male characters turn out boring and flat.
Niggas, you all missin the point here
If dey be dragons, why dey wearin clothes at all?
One day I'm going to write a game full of women in badass armor and manly men who recognize that skill with a blade is more important than peeing white standing. It's going to be a tumblr wet dream
And then I'm going to introduce a naked character. An important character. Like a seer or an oracle or something and she's going to be a gigantic fucking bombshell. Modest tits but white child-bearing hips and an ass that could drive any man insane.
And you know what, /v/?
I'm going to explain the shit out of it. It's because the mana she puts out always dissolves the fuck out of her clothes. And that's why she lives in a lake with her body glistening and wet - because it keeps her cool and moderately concealed when people seek her out.
And you know what's going to be between her legs?
And she's going to be like, "What's wrong, sir paladin? have you never seen a REAL woman?" And then I'll watch blog sites and game journalists explode.
SJWs and anti-GGs confirmed too childish to know what being an adult is.
Also, the fact that you're so concerned with someone else calling you immature literally confirms you're underage
I think it's hilarous how much power Tumblr/SJW has in the gaming world.
Blizzard is actually in the process of censoring or adding more clothing and or removing the old skimpy clothing you could get from older zones/dungeons/enemy drops
One thing I find really facinating that the SJW's/Tumblr haven't noticed is that they've removed the darker female, human skin tones, now the darkest skin tone is a light tan/brown. Prior to Mist of Pandera you could get a really nice dark bronze/copper skin tone but they removed it.
Yeah, okay, that's retarded.
Someone being paid to look pretty and hold something could hardly be said to be giving any indication of a personality. If I understand you correctly, you're basically saying objectification doesn't exist at all because even if personality is excluded entirely and their only trait is "holds beer," that could be said to be the extent of their personality and it is therefore actually a complete character study.
Yeah but the point is that the physical characteristics that make someone think a woman is "pretty" are identical to the ones that make someone think a woman is "strong and competant"
Ugliness, deformity and/or obesity are not things you think of when you hear "she's strong and competant". Thats not to say that you can't be unattractive and also strong and competant, it just means that on a superficial level if you wanted make a woman LOOK strong and competant you would give her a slim, athletic build. The fact that that build is generally considered sexually attractive to men is a coincidence, just like how a big musclebound guy is considered strong and also attractive to women.