How do I kill these fuckers? Specifically the ones with the maces.

>>323158423
Holy fuck why do you have such low health?

>>323158423
Get used to the tracking, it only gets worse from there

>>323158423
lol they're not even the hard ones. GIT GUD NEWB

>>323158557
Ah my mistake I didn't look at the image properly and assumed you were in the dragon shrine.
Holy fuck I didn't even know it was possible to have trouble on those enemies with a melee build.

>>323158423
Maces 4 shot these guy even at low level I think.

Like the 3rd hit or something like that you have time to circle around back and get a hit in if your quick and have good timing. Just gotta learn when the tracking stops and start moving then. Also bait out attcks.

>>323158423
If you think that's bad wait until you get to the Dragon Shrine.

Seriously though they're very slow and you can easily strafe behind them as their attack finishes and land some hits.

git gud

Lol the hard ones are the greatsword ones in which their tracking and range is ridiculous.

I stopped playing sotf when I reached this area and they just added a fuck ton of enemies

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>needs help on one of the first areas in the game

>>323158557
It's not my SS.

>>323158591
So I've heard. The last giant was pretty bad.

>>323158656
So enlighten me.

>>323158730
I can kill them in 4 or 5 hits, the problem is he can kill me in like 2 and spins around on his own axis between swings.

>>323159010
Did you know that you can dodge attacks in From Software games?

>>323158947
I got through the giants forest no problem, what are you talking about?

>>323159132
Yeah no shit, but the I run out of stamina and he still sprints at me with his mace above his head.

I had no problems in Bloodborne.

Circle left bro

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>yfw DS2 is too hard for modern /v/

>>323160006
I platinumed BB say it to my face not online

People who make threads about it when they can't beat a certain part of a game are the worst shitters.

>>323160162
was this you >>323159301 ?

You had no problems playing BB because it was a streamlined, dudebro incarnation of a souls game. It was probably so forgiving to attract a wider audience. Said new audience will not be able to beat the 1st area of DS2 though, and they would give up on DS1 before they even got to smough and ornstein.
>Try resignation.

>>323160513
*tips fedora*

>>323160513

So much damage control.

Look man, I know you like to think your precious Souls series puts you through some arduous training like the main character in one of your animes, but the fact is they're still just games. Just because BB was popular and not some niche for weebs like yourself doesn't make it any more or less "dudebro" than the souls series.

>>323158423
i avoid that hole until i have a +5 weapon.
agreed their tracking is bullshit. so much of this game is waiting, being unable to do anything until stamina regens. BECAUSE YOU SPEND ALL YOUR FUCKING TIME DODGING UN-PARRYABLE, UNBLOCKABLE ATTACKS

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>>323158423
There's a specific way to play DaS2 because they deliberately gimped all the other ways so the game wouldn't be too easy.

Don't use a shield. Either two-hand a weapon or powerstance two weapons. Only acceptable shields are greatshields and even they're crutches. This is because shields consume stamina like hell.
Use a rapier, maces or other gamebreaking weapons. The game is shit, the enemies have high hp and armor and there are shitloads of enemies cramped together.
Raise your main attack stat. The game hands out levels like candy, you can max your main attack stat within two hours starting the game.
Raise your agility to softcap (99 or 105). Rolling is the only way to avoid attacks.
Don't use Drangleic armor set. Everyone's using it and it ain't /fa/.

Now the game should be solid 6-7/10.

>>323160513
>using a shield to effortlessly absorb attacks is hardcore
>requiring dodges and forcing you to learn enemy attack patterns is casualized and streamlined
I know they made the I frames more forgiving, but goddamn is it confusing when I see people saying it takes more effort to avoid damage in DaS.

Don't listen to all these fuckers OP, dark souls 2 is designed to make you get it. From tying rolls to a stat to mob you constantly to the ridiculous tracking, and i'm sure healing gems were added because of all this, otherwise the only feasible way to do all this without using all estus would be avoid every encounter and even then you'd still get hit by one of the 20 mobs tracking you at all times.

Honestly, play through it once, never touch it again and hope DS3 is a good one

>>323161119
Tell me about it, senpai. Maybe I'll come back later.

>>323161261
I sort of realized the whole 2h thing yesterday. What makes maces broken? I have one and I'm going STR but I've been using an axe that I bought off the blacksmith.

Thanks for some actual, helpful replies.

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The tracking is fucking the absolute worst thing about playing as melee in this game, and it's bullshit.

That said get a mace and upgrade it. Proceed to kill everything. Also magic, but not miracles unless you're healing with them.

Have fun in Iron Keep

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>>323159137
>mfw listening to my dsp tier friends moaning in SOTF when he got to the forest and saw the moomin

His whole 3 hour playthrough was just a nonstop bitching about the controls and enemies

>>323161739
It's the Strike damage it does, armor and damage reductions are minimal against that damage type.

>>323161893
>saw the moomin
Saw the what?

>>323161858
no, the worst thing is enemies having infinite stamina and being impossible to guard break

>>323158423
Holy shit, git gud.

Dark souls 2 is different than 1. you don't dodge their attack during their wined up like you did in one. You have to dodge like a second before the shit would hit you. also go through the weapon/swing.

Last and most important. Level up adaptibility so your agility is about 100, 110 is super rolls, but 100 is nearly on par with DS1 rolls.

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>>323161858
>People bitching about DS2 tracking when BB has it worst

BB had so many broken hitboxes and 360nonstop rotating bosses that it ain't even fun.

>>323161739
>>323162013
>What makes maces broken?
They deal strike damage that's especially effective against heavy armor. The majority of enemies and bosses in DaS2 wear heavy armor. It's not like they're broken, strike damage is just superior to other damage types in this game.

The tracking is to stop you from being able to easily backstab everything.

Did SOTFS fix the 60 FPS issue with durability? That really left a bad taste in my mouth during my first DaS2 run and haven't gotten around to SOTFS.

>>323161893
>moomim

Lmao I knew that fucker was familiar

>>323162335
Like the firebreathing basilisks am I rite?

You can't even backstop those senpai

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>>323162053
Ogre. Damn don't you speak nig? Sheeeit.

>>323162379
Far as I can tell it's still there. Bonfires auto-repair things now, but that's about it.

>>323162583

Resting at a bonfires always did repair your equipment. You only needed to pay for repairs if it was completely broken.

>>323162379

This is fixed. Look it up.

Note: It took them until the new release on console in order to fix it on PC

>>323162725
Wait, really? Been a year since I played and couldn't remember. Well fuck.

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i just wanna hug_ Lucatiel forever :(

>>323158423
These are some of the easiest enemies in the game.

>sword & shield knights
As soon as it winds the attack up for that right swing, simply walk to the right of him to get behind, stay on his rear left side until his second swing so it won't catch you, then attack.

>mace knights
Roll towards his left/right on every attack except the really long wind up overhead smash. The window to attack is smaller on mace knights but it's still easy. Attack after rolling past one of his last swings. His most dangerous attack is when he swings his mace left to right fast, simply roll through both and get behind.

>great sword knights
Ezpz, all they do are two overhead swings and one whirlwind. Just roll through those slow ass attacks and attack after his whirlwind.

Also, try not to lock onto them. In my opinion you move just a slight bit faster and have full range of motion. Plus they're so big you can't miss them anyway. Good practice for learning to not lock on.

>>323162379
It's a bit better now, I think they fixed something but not entirely it, just to say I haven't had to use the repair powder so far and I'm in the DLC areas now. Knuckle ring is still a must though.

>>323162583
I'm pretty sure they always used to do that

>>323160513
And then there's this guy.

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>>323162583
>>323162379
They issued a patch that fixed durability and supposedly the "shockwaves".

The first is definitely fixed, and I haven't experienced the shockwave bullshit in SotFS so maybe that really was fixed too.

>pic related
>playing new Souls content for the first time

>>323162789
Ok, will do with the mace guys. Sword and shield guys I can kill without taking any hits, but the mace guys wreck my shit.

Thanks for the advice on maces/agil guys.

>Finally platted SotFS in prep for DaS3

Pro tip.

Get 111 AGI ASAP

Make that your absolute first priority.

Once you get those delicious I-frames, and learn the timings, you're fucking untouchable.

Also, pay attention to audio cues. Most enemies make a sound right before they attack, which is your signal to dodge.

Dodge their attacks and hit them until they die.

Just like every other Souls game and Bloodborne.

>>323158423

You can retreat, and they're pretty slow.

SotFS sucked ass and you know it

the entire gimmick was
>hurr let's put more enemies in spots that would only surprise players who played the previous version
not worth the $0 I paid, though I'm fairly happy with the $60 I spent on DaSII at launch

>>323163161
>Get 111 AGI ASAP

That's way overkill.

90+ will be enough most of the time and if you are good enough to get you through everything. 100 if you want a bit of leeway in the timing.

>>323158423
Dark Rolls 2

>>323158423
If you wait for his fast combo you'll have no trouble killing him, also always dodge to the right or left unless you want to get pancaked.

>>323158423
Literally the only enemy that shits on me every fucking time, and the ones at dragon shrine are even worse.
Like, fuck them, the second swipe in their combo always gets me.
Fucking skeledogs from DS are far friendlier than those fuckers.

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>>323163453
Yeah, until he has his mace over his head. Then he sprints.

>>323163512

It is overkill, but it makes the game insanely easy.

Anyone who refuses to over soft caps is a fucking pussy. There's no reason not to,
SL is completely meaningless.

I played through the game with 99int/99ATN/30ADP/40VIT (111 AGI) and it was a cakewalk.

>>323163492
yeah I bought it for like £2 on steam during the sales and I'm kinda dissapointed.

There's like no thought to why enemies are there anymore and just added purely for difficulty.

Pretty sad. Miyazaki would be very sad.

>>323163724
>overleveling makes the game easier
do tell

How do I git gud at frigid outskirts?

>>323163840

Once you have your main weapon and pretty outfit fully upgraded/infused, there's literally no reason to not dump all your souls into levels.

If anything, not levelling up is foolish, because your SM will still be going up, and you're going to be fighting against people who arent "honorable" idiots.

>>323158423

roll. that's literally all you need to do. pump ADP bit if you suck at timing.

if you are having trouble with the trio in the big room, lure them out to the area near the bonfire. the stairs give you an easy chokepoint (also, they dont do well with the height difference on the stairs, if you are really desperate).

if you are having trouble with the first 2 that are by themselves, you are a lost cause and should just put the game down now because it only gets harder and you are at the very beginning.

>>323164080
>ADP
Meme stat.

>>323161050

he's kind of right though, spewing memes at him doesnt make a good argument kiddo

>>323158423
Use a mace or something
Blunt weapons against armoured foes
Sharp weapons against flesh

>>323164080
I can kill the sword an shield guys with no issue but the guys with the maces wreck my shit.

>>323160513
Fuck it, here's another (You).

>>323164137

while i preferred the way DaS1 handled rolling (my ideal system would make it a spectrum like ADP but tied to % weight instead of a stat), you gain the first levels in DaS2 so quickly that you can get 95 AGI within the first boss or 2. ive played a lot of souls and the games are certainyl doable but kind of tedious playing with minimal AGI

>>323164042
whoosh =3

>>323164042

You're right in that the game forces you to level up whether you want to or not but you are basically wasting souls when you are investing in agility to that level. When agility is high enough it's high enough, start investing more in your other stats.

Also, high agility is easier to attain for a magic build because ATN contributes to agility too but is a useless stat for other builds.

>>323164512

This is true, but I'm pretty sure you get the most from AGI at higher levels.

The difference between 111 and 116 is like 1/10th of a second, which is more than all of the previous increases

>>323163492
Yeah, nah, wouldn't say that. Most of the changes in enemy placement are pretty sweet. They fixed some bullshit and added some new bullshit but the old bullshit was kinds worse. I admit, Iron Keep is a bitch now. Some NPC invaders were assholes, too but nothing that can't be fixed with some git gud. I like the fact that some lesser bosses are scattered around as minibosses, more Pursuer encounters etc. The flexile sentry on the way to Lost Sinner is less frustrating than being buttstomped by the enemies that used to be there before. Shrine of Amana is more humane now. I dunno, I liked the redesign.

>>323164158
Right about what, exactly? You guys who maintain that Bloodborne is so different from the Souls games are the minority. You're acting like I came here because

dude my boy told me over xbox live during a clutch CoD match that I should try out this totally dank series called dark souls. so I bounced over to gamestop in my subaru and picked up a copy of dark souls 2 with my dads gold card. now I'm totally stuck on this giant douches with the maces. what gives brosephs?

Feel better now, jackass? Stop treating a multimillion dollar game with a huge fan base like it's a fucking MENSA meeting.

>>323164705
>This is true, but I'm pretty sure you get the most from AGI at higher levels.

No.

At 85 you get 5 frames.
At 92 you get 10 frames.
At 116 you get 16 frames, which is only 3 frame more than what you get at 105.

You get diminishing returns once you are over 90.

>>323164924
>that section right after you first meet pate
>they moved the enemies that you used to be able to tackle one at a time and you now have to aggro 5 lesser hollows and two knight hollows at the same time
all in the name of "challenge" right?

>>323164924
>Iron Keep is a bitch now

so much this, the original rendition of it was a nice balance of challenge in my mind since you had to dodge the arrows while fighting the sword guys, it actually feels bugged NOW that half the room swarms you when you enter practically forcing you to lure the first 2-3 guys back into the first room, since enemies dont have anywhere near the aggro range in the rest of the game

tedious as fuck

>>323165089

no one is suggesting that "hurr durr DARK SOULS IS SO HARDCORE", he only pointed out that BB is easier than the previous souls games. if you dont agree, fine. you're just erecting a strawman and spewing memes.

how fucking underage are you?

>>323165339
How fast did you run in? Only 3 came out for me, still caught me off guard, but that's half the fun.

>>323165339
>one at a time
what

I remember they 1v4'd you or some shit in the original version too

easy to wreck them in the doorway with bombs though

>>323165545
>he only pointed out that BB is easier than the previous souls games
Speaking of memes.

Turtle and circle nigga. Wait till they start the overhead and roll at the last second. Then r1 spam till they dead. Its ez and the 2 hander versions dont have a shield so you can circle from either side.
Also GIT GUD

>>323165606
very slowly
the moment I reached their aggro radius six or seven ran out the door
>>323165747
They did 3v1 you, but that was after you actually got inside the building, I never even on my SotFS playthrough, I dropped it after that garbage I wouldn't be surprised if the rest of the game is exactly the same.

>>323158423
You went the wrong way
thats not where you start the game.

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>>323165339
>BAWWW there's too many enemies :((((
Holy fuck the babies in this thread.

Those mace guys in Dragon Shrine were the most retarded shit before they got nerfed.

>>323166201
>not going that way first
>and then getting the greatsword asap
>then heading to forest of giants and helping people beat pursuer

>>323166201

Considering those shield knights are pathetically easy to down, you can just farm a few initial levels there and kill Dragonrider.

If you don't go Tower of Flame first, you're shit.

>>323163779
>Miyazaki would be very sad.
At what? nigger videogame developers are not invested in their games at all anymore.

>>323166358
>no Drake Sword replacement
Almost a perfect picture

>>323166358
There's more enemies for no good reason

more enemies does not equate to a harder game, it just makes it tedious and frustrating

>>323166358
fucking kek

>>323166552
>>323166521
Or you could go kill asshole face boss to grind some shit

>>323166623
By your logic, bloodborne must be the most frustrating game in existance.

>>323165545
Actually, that's exactly what he was suggesting while spewing memes and strawmen. Let's review his post, shall we?

>You had no problems playing BB because it was a streamlined, dudebro incarnation of a souls game. It was probably so forgiving to attract a wider audience. Said new audience will not be able to beat the 1st area of DS2 though, and they would give up on DS1 before they even got to smough and ornstein.
>Try resignation.

He implies BB is a watered down Souls for "dudebros" who couldn't handle the opening areas of Souls. And he finishes off with the classic "kill yourself."

His post truly equates to

>filthy casual
>kill yourself

>>323166671

It's a much longer way to the Last Giant than it is to the Dragonrider and Tower of Flame is more enjoyable too.

>people having problem with the tracking
just time your dodges better, jesus
It's the best way to deal with it.

>>323166746
I don't want to spend $350 on a bloodborne machine

>>323166358

That image is fucking stupid.

Stamina is a thing in Dark Souls, you can't keep enemies in choke points.

>>323166803
Eh
i dont enjoy fights with those giants at all
it feels tiring

>>323158423
>Do a SL 1 co-op run with a friend
>Limited very much in terms of gear and pretty much everything else
>Months later they release SotFS edition
>Get it in a sale with friend
>Try to convince him to do a normal run to do DLC content
>That way we can flesh out our builds and have fun that way
>"Nah anon that would be boring"
>Literally only wants to do SL 1 runs
>Try to tell him he's missing out on a massive part of the game in terms of gear and magic
>Besides that we've already SL 1'd Demons and DS 1 and 2
>Has none of it

Fuck I love the game but it makes me hate my retard friend

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>>323166201
>play for first time
>run past old knights because they're slow as fuck
>dragon rider kills himself and gives me 12000 souls

Wrong way, my ass. Thanks for the jumpstart, game.

play offline

>>323158423
just get close and go to the left, opposite as with the sword and shield ones

you don't even need to roll

>>323159301
>>323159010
that's why you move when he actually starts swinging his weapon and not waste all your stamina trying to keep distance

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>>323158423

>>323167282
Its not tho
Especially if he's not really good at the game

>>323158423
like every single enemy in souls series

circlestrafe until he's locked in the recovery animation after the attack and strike

>>323158423
Honestly this area is not hard. The 3 in the middle are a bit tricky but just tricky.

Git gud in other words.

>>323158423
strafe around and behind them while holding shield up

>>323167587
>>323167412

>>323167587
>combat consists of circlestrafing with lock-on
>BUT DARK SOULS HAS DA BESS COMBAT EVER

Am I the only one who feels SOTF has level scaling?

>>323167587
Did you make this just for me? I'm honored.

>drop summon sign at boss fog gate
>summoner wants to go on adventures around the entire level
what the fuck is up with people

>>323168084
They're often stupid and you should know that by now. Not even surprised anymore when a host takes me on a tour of their own retardation, I just laugh and get on with it.

>>323167990
No anon it's a webm from like 4 months after release.

>>323161261
This is really stupid advice. Painfully ignorant too. You can play it any you want so long as you understand the basics. Small shield are used to mitigate damage rather than negate it outright. Also they can be used for parrying. Large shields will negate damage and their poise will deflect melee attacks. They are very heavy and you can't parry with them. Because you need poise to be even more effective with heavy shields, you'll likely be dumping point into Endurance which will not only increase your poise and defense, but your stamina as well which you also need for blocking.

new /v/ is pretty incompetent desu.

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>>323168303
O-oh..

>>323158423
Play a Souls game that isn't a shitty rehash made by an incompetent team.

>>323158423
Come back after you've beaten dark souls 1, these slow faggots are nothing

>>323158423
Time your hits. Watch you opponent for a while to understand their moves.

>>323168527
DaS is a million times easier than DaSII and that's 10x easier than SotFS

>>323158423

>he doesn't know you can just circle them, wait for the tracking to stop and then wail on them

top kek.

>>323168684
Beat DS2 with ease, DS not so much, you're just a casual.

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>>323168684
did sins of first scholomancer fix the fucking game?
I gave my life to dank souls, but I couldn't play DS2 for more than two hours before throwing the game away.
It sucked so much...

>>323168846
DaS is undeniably the easier game unless you started with II
>>323168928
please read this post
>>323163492

I don't know anon

I played das1 for 15 hours and das2/sotfs for 200

it's because das1 was 2spooky

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just wait until you get further into the game and have to fight npc invaders that literally cheat
>UGS invaders who can roll cancel their attack animations and read your fucking inputs
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>323169035
wew
I guess I will sit and wait for DSIII then.

>>323168413
Wait a minute that last sentence doesn't make any sense.

>>323166972
Stab, step back, stab, step back, stab, step back, ect. Keep kiting them down the length of the passage, poking away at the line of baddies. If need be you can even corral them at the opposite end and repeat the process going back to the door. Spears and swords with a thrust are good tools to keep.
No shit if you lolmashR1 at them in the doorway and deplete your stamina before thinking of stepping back you'll get your ass gang raped.
Youdensemotherfucker.jaypaeg

>>323168928
I can only speak for myself, but I'm actually having tons of fun with SotFS, whereas I too put down base DS2 after a couple of hours because it bored the fuck out of me.

>>323169262
Holy hell the invaders can be ass. Had one in Iron Keep (which is fucking riddled with them, for some reason) suddenly get up right after being backstabbed once instead of falling down and having to stand up again.

Speaking of which: do invaders scale with SM or something? I did Iron Keep last out of the four areas and found the high health guts lookalike to be a genuine pain to kill because he had such a fuckhuge health pool.

>>323169617
It's amazing how many complaints about DaS2 revolve around "I'm a dumbass."

Like German Spy's playthrough of the old Iron Keep. He just face-fucks or cheeses everything with alluring skulls instead of thinking about how to approach encounters, and then he turns around and calls it bad design.

>>323170249

I never use the skulls, where are they even useful?

>>323166972
No, it's not. This is a perfect example of proper level design: you either run into an open space and get gangraped by four enemies, or you abuse the doorway and subsequent bridge to face them one by one. By the time you make it to the open platform behind you there should only be one or two of them left, which is a perfectly manageable fight. It's literally a 'how to play DaS' section, which you even get to practice multiple times if the ruin sentinels fuck you up.

>>323170363
I think most of the basic enemies in each area are affected by them.

>>323170249
To be super lenient, There's a bit of a learning curve with das2 and sotfs in that stamina management is way more important, as you're punished much harder for full depletion than in das1. But that takes all of your first couple encounters in things betwixt to learn. So yeah, 'I'm a dumbass' is accurate if it takes you all the way to the Bastille to learn that.

>>323170471
They should've made the shortcut afterwards more obvious so people would shut the fuck up about it.

>>323170686
I honestly forgot there even was one

>>323170363
I'm a fucking casual and skulls/yearn are useful in ivory king, against those crystal hollow fuckers with the ice spears (not the ice golems). Throw a skull and you can thin their numbers before they overwhelm you.

Is there any way to stop this hollowing shit?

>>323171590

Ring of Life Protection

>>323171590
The gitting of the gud
Vendrics blessing
Ring of life protection
Ring of soul protection
Ring of binding can mitigate it

>>323168362
small shields rape your stamina, they are worthelss for blocking

>>323171590
Life protection works once, but if you want to stop a particular symptom they have rings for that
Ring of the dead to stay human
Ring of binding to alleviate health loss

If you do all 3 dlcs you can get a crown that stops it entirely, good luck though

>>323171895
Smalls shields also offer like 80% defense at most so you really shouldn't be using one to just tank hits in the first place.
Medium shields are perfectly fine, you just can't run around with your shield up the entire time wondering why your non regenerating stamina is running out

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>person makes legitimate complaint (tracking)
>"GIT GUD!!! xD!"
the souls fanbase is the worst ever, holy shit. I almost get the feeling that most of them are false flagging nintendrones or something

>>323171590
Ring of Life/Soul Protection (if you have SOTFS, probably not worth it)
or just join sunbro covenant if the online is still there

>>323172175
>legitimate complaint
Maybe like a year and 15 patches ago sure, you can walk circles around the dudes these days, what get's players isn't the tracking overheads, its the 200 degree spinning move he does mid combo that has a long ass delay which makes shitters think the combo ended.
But who cares your just a shitposter being wrong about something

>>323158423
tbqh Git gud.

They're super easy to dodge when you learn the pattern. attack from the back. I accidentally stumbled on this place before i even beat the last giant so i learnt/grinded them foreVER

>>323172241
>if the online is still there
SotfS is very active

>>323169559
>sodoku

>>323172623
What about vanilla DS2? Is it dead enough so I don't really need to care about being softbanned? Thinking about using CE to make some fun builds.

>>323172859

just pirate it, you fucking retard

>>323161858
This

Except that this doesn't apply on the DLCs, From realized every enemy in the game is a bitch to Strike Damage, so they made the DLC enemies be really resistant to Strike, and a bitch to slash.

I did some testing recently. Archdrake Mace +10 (halberd with strike damage) does around 400 to a random enemy in any DLC. A Greatsword +10 does around 700.

>>323172940
No.

>>323172940
Dont accept the ToS at the start if you want to cheat

>>323172859
I actually made the mistake of playing vanilla because I was retarded and didn't realize Scholar would have a completely different .exe in Steam and played it for a solid 7 hours. I still got summoned in 5 minutes tops for bosses.

DaS1 is pretty dead in comparison.

>>323166972
dark souls can keep my dick in a choke point if you know what i mean

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>get sotfs for pc
>turn on cross region play so i get more action
>only find summon signs for last giant and smelter/mirror knight
>never get invaded outside of belltower and heide twinks
>every single belltower person ive fought was brazilian or russian
>get no pvp and few summon signs if i turn region lock back on
is it any better on the consoles? this is like ds1 on pc where i only find summon signs at gargoyles and never ever get invaded outside of oolacile

>>323158423
You're joking, right? They track like a motherfucker, but it's easy as fuck to dodge their attacks.

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>>323172430
>accidentally stumbled upon this place before I even beat the last giant

You mean as in progressed through the game as it was intended?

>>323173269
what are you talking about? I can get invaded and invade literally anywhere, granted it's kinda hard to find white signs in some areas, especially in NG+

>>323173269
I beat the game twice recently

Getting summoned was a matter of seconds in every area.
I got invaded 4 times in Aldia, for whatever reason.
I could find at least 1 summoning sign for every boss, 4 minimum for Drangleic

Hell, I even found summons for the START of Amana, the bulk was usually in the mid point.

>>323173269
Do you play at odd hours? Actually no I'm third shift and see summons signs all the time. The fuck anon.

>>323172706
no but the actual sentence structure doesnt make sense

>>323173574
This will dishonor his family, which he can restore ONLY by taking his own life with a sword.
This will dishonor his family, which he can ONLY restore by taking his own life wit ha sword.

Pretty sure both of them are ok, the former being unused.

>>323173774
this issue is that the object of the sentence is his family, so this implies that he is restoring his family and not his family's honor.

>>323167587
That nigga got lucky, the enemy was pretty forgiving.

>>323173989
Ah I see. I'm not stellar in my English grammar, so I'll take your word for it

>>323162234
>anime image
>garbage opinion
every time

>>323158423

Acquire proficiency on the matter of overcoming challenges.

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I'm about to play through SotFS for the first time and was thinking about rolling a deprived and making a mundane build, is that viable/fun?

If it's not, what should I roll instead?

Should I fight the pursuer or the dragon rider after the last giant?

>>323175387
dont matter

both ez pz

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>>323175387
>not killing pursuer next to the last giant bonfire on his first appearance

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>>323175387
If you defeat the Dragonrider you gain access to more new areas.

>>323164176
>Blunt weapons
Literally the only good advice in the whole thread, and gets 0 attention.
This is why /v/ is cancer.

>>323175504
What last giant bonfire? You mean like in the Cardinal Tower? How would I do that?

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Surprised no one has posted this.

>>323175697
He pops up at the top of the ladder near the hole you can blast open.

If you lose or run away he disappears from that location forever, but if you beat him he doesn't show up in his boss arena.

>>323158423
Just dash

>>323175387
>tfw beaten the game but still get stuck on Pursuer
I don't know, he just throws me off.

>>323176217

>literally the easiest boss in the game

>>323176317
That's not Dragonrider

>>323176317
drogonrider is easier, at least pursuer might kill you if he keeps spamming his shit you cant just strafe away from

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>>323175641
Anon, a bunch of people have mentioned maces/blunt weapons. I'm sorry you didn't get a reply. Have this one.

faggot

>>323162093
>enemies ... being impossible to guard break

but thats wrong

>>323176317
It's a mental block. He's not that bad but I always build him up to some unstoppable god.

>>323176656

>he didn't play the dlc

I can't handle DS2 after playing Bloodborne. It just feels like shit. The rolls, the bullshit attacks, the retarded enemy placements. It sucks.

>>323177084
Yep. Hope ds3 is better.

>>323176217
Same. I don't know why but I could never get a real handle on him.

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r8

>>323178170

how did you do that face

>>323158423
just hit them until they die

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>>323178294
By spending 1 million hours in the character creator tweaking stuff.

I found it helped to look at pictures of real faces to help get the proportions to look human.

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what level is your character, /v/?

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>>323178170
>invade player
>it's a waifufag
>all they ever do is run away, disconnect, or lose without knowing how to put up a fight

>>323179518
205

And it'll stay there forever, since NG+ is retarded "every enemy has 6 time its health and deals 15% of your HP in damage even though you have 50 VGR, also, red phantoms everywhere!!" bullshit that sucks the fun out of the game

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>>323170363
The big room crowded with spiders in Brightstone cove tseldora in SotFS was the first and only place I had to use one.

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>>323179518
God damn lookin good.
tubad the game is shit.

>>323170686
What shortcut..?

>>323179939
the door that leads to death

you can jump inside it from another place

there's probably a trick to it, but why bother, killing 6 enemies is never a big deal.

>>323180093
I'd rather fight 6 enemies over and over again than take a risk with the game's jump and roll mechanics.

Will Dark Souls 3 have a cute teacher girl who is stern yet affectionate? This is important.

>>323182147
I want more monster girls like Ornifex

>>323182749
What was ornifex's deal, anyway? I thought that the bird people were insane servants of Velka who were trapped in the painted world

>>323178170
I'd do her/10

>>323182959
They were a perversion created by seathe/aldia. Ornifex mentions that her soul infusion talents come from the techniques of a "pale beast".

why do the beings in dark souls need souls?

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How do you kill these guys reliably?

>>323182959
Her deal is the same as Dragon Slayers Reused assets

>>323183595
Miyazaki stated in a DaS1 interview that the raven people in the painted world were servants of velka whose list for revenge was so great that it caused them to physically transform

Ornifex is talking about her smithing techniques coming from Seath (because bteam has an absurdly stiff hard on for him, so he gets to be a special snowflake who secretly was behind everything), not the origins of her people

Op you are fucking retarded. Just circle around them with shield up, wait till they exhaust their combo and go for quick 2 stabs. Or better yet just rush to the boss and make it charge you and die to gravity.

>>323183781
It keeps them running, souls are essentially a life force battery

>>323183898
What the fuck is that?
Did the devs loos at Dark Souls PvP and decided that rolling is so hot shit that the enemies need to do it too?

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>>323182749
BRING. BACK. DRAGONOIDS

>>323184170

That's the b team for you.

>>323184170
I look at it as a joke making fun of Souls PvP.

Wear the least gear as possible to fast roll and just spamming it

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I'm making a spellsword kind of character, so either INT/DEX or INT/STR, given that, about how much INT and ATN should I get?

Pls send help

>>323184412
THICK

>>323183898
>not DS1pvp.webm

>>323166972
>>323166358
>I literally just walked into that room on my first ever play through and just killed them all in the room
>All these faggots and their m...muh cautious bridge strategy

G I T
F U C K I N G
G U D

>>323183781
because you go hollow if you are undead and have no souls.

>>323184170
It's a joke about DeS and DaS1/2. People would fight bosses by 2-handing a blunt weapon, getting naked and rolling all over the place.

Anyway, rolling in the exact path of its roll as opposed to across it is probably the dumbest thing to do, but it's all that player did for some reason.

>>323184542
FAI makes better spellswords

But if you insist on going INT, you only need 2-3 ATT, just enough for your weapon buffs and a nuke spell for when shit gets out of hand. Pump INT to 40

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> mfw I just finished with DS2 yesterday

It was a horrible ride. And DLC areas were not really fun either.
Glad this adventure is over.

>>323184618
get gud fags are the worst

it's always
>i beat every game first try naked no bonfires u suck

>>323179518
73 or so?

I just killed skeleton fags and got to hearvest valley/earthen peak shit, too much poison for me

But seriously, who the fuck was shalquoir? Frampt/Kaathe reincarnation?

>>323184639
>you hollow out when you have 000000 souls on the counter
Nice meme, bteam, your retcons aren't canon

>>323184412
P...post more please

>>323184958
Hasn't that always been the story of dark souls though?

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>>323185040
He also does Bloodborne stuff

>>323184509
But wasn't Bloodborne A-team?

>>323185327
according to these people the entirety of fromsoft is a b-team

>>323164229
I don't understand why people do this. Reminds me of "underrated post"
Guess its just another thing to filt considering I don't post often at all.

>>323163779
>Pretty sad. Miyazaki would be very sad.

Yeah, which is why he make it worse in BB.

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>>323166972
this was with an ununpgraded weapon to compensate for my overleveled character

>>323185468
Here's one for you.

>>323185243
DaS1 was all about undead struggling with the fact that they lost their mind and hollowed when they gave up on their goals and/or lost the motivation to continue on

>>323185298
I'm a fan of ayyyy porn, but I prefer thick dragons

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>>323185327

Are people really this easy to ruse?
BB was A-team.

People who hate BB for not being multiplat and/or 30fps shit on in every thread.

>>323158423
He only has three attack
>three horizontal swing with a delay on the third
Just strafe towards his back while he swings wth your shield up. The last swing has a 90 percent chance of hitting you since it swings in a wide arc. Make sure to clock the last swing before hitting. But make sure to not take a swing if you don't have enough stamina for another block. One hit and then retreat.
>two vertical swing in succession
It's very easy to get behind him here but the second swing has a slight delay so wait for it, otherwise he will pivot at the last moment and hit you. If you keep strafing, you should dodge both swings and have time for one or two attack.
>a long pause and then a large cerical swing
If you're far away from him, he will run towards you before swinging. Again, just strafe and make sure he commits before attacking. You'll have time for three hits if he misses you.
The only hard thing about this guy is if you don't have a 100 block shield, because you will end up taking a few blocks and thus, little damages that add up quickly.

>>323184542
That looks familiar. Gonna need a source

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>>323185628
That's the only Dragonoid one I know of.

But have a Mildred

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>>323166358

>>323185963
This drawing is bullshit, Mildred was fat as fuck.

Also pls post Quelana, she never has enough art

>>323185327

No, it's a much smaller game with less variety, streamlined mechanics. It has b-team written all over it.

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>>323166358
>people actually couldn't figure out a way to beat this

>>323185963
>human
Gross shit m8, may as well just post generic hentai

>>323179518

I didn't even notice that arrow hole and blood before.

Kudos, From.

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Haven't played the DLC, but enjoyed vanilla DaS2 on my first playthrough. Only issues i had were:
>Enemy aimbot on melee/doing a 1frame 180 after a dodge.
>Lack of weapon variety.
Bought the club from the first vendor used it cause it was godlike. Then because I was upgrading it, no other weapon did as much damage, and its moveset is quick enough.

Sure I screwed around with other STR based weapons, but overall nothing felt fun/as good as just using the 1h club. Dual weilding 2 of them was pretty lulzy when screwing around.

Hoping DaS3 removes auto-tracking and adds some more interesting items/weapons/armors. I expect to at least see cooler weapons seeing how they went with Bloodbourne. From what i test played of 3 so far, it felt more DaS1, and the available weapons as well. But they included "sword arts" which were a huge waste of animation/time. Better to just parry(which had fuckhuge parry-frames) and stab to victory.

>>323163492
It really depends on the area. Iron Keep turned it up to eleven, but Drangleic Castle has considerably less mob crowds, replaced by some minibosses, They also spaced out the Archdrake Clerics in Amana, and also lessened the Priestesses' missile tracking.

>>323158730
+3 mace 2 shots swords and three shots the mace guys with the strong attack

>>323186382
>lack of weapon variety
You realize Dark Souls 2 has more weapons, not only overall, but viable for end-game, right?

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>>323186304
Then how about a mimic

>>323160513
You just use buzzwords because you cant play it.

>>323185484
how is this part even remotely unfair?

You kids are so damn casual

>>323186382
My first playthrough of DS2 I used a Greatsword. Damage was insane but I was constantly looking for something to replace it because using one weapon becomes stale really fast.

But that was when I didn't really understand the game. Weapons have different levels of damage/utility/speed. And the most fun builds are when you use a variety of methods to take down people. Like if you want to do a STR build then a fun way to add variety is to use Pyromancy in addition.

DS2 actually has a fuck ton of variety and a lot more viable weapon choices over DS1.

>>323186817
Still too human-y imo

>>323166972
Learn to block and backstep. You can tank almost everything with good block timing and a decent shield.

>>323158423
stop playing the worst Fromsoft game and play the first Dark Souls or Demon's Souls. Maybe Bloodborne if you fell for the meme and bought a Bloodborne machine.

>>323158423
dodge then hit then repeat

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>>323187231
>toon

ILL FUCKING CUT YOU I SWEAR

>>323186382
There's plenty of weapon variety IMO. I'd be super addicted to the game if it was SL matchmaking instead of SM, although the Agape Ring helps a bit on that matter.
I'm doing an "Iron Knuckle" character right now, despite of Burger King Axe having that shitty sweetspot thing, but that never stopped me from using Halberds.

>>323186772
>>323187098

I must have overlooked that during my playthrough. I just felt no incentive to switch from the club for when i was actually progressing in the game as its damage/moveset balance seemed really strong.

I did play around with other weapons and loved that they included STR + AGI variants of certain weapons (Like the blade staff). However this was only when I was screwing around with coop or pvp.

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>>323184814
>play DS2 again
>go through it pretty smoothly
>be at dragon shrine
>remember that it is soon gonna be DLC time
>remember fucking frigid outskirts
>lose all motivation to play
Fuck snow.

>>323187826
>>remember fucking frigid outskirts

Just don't go.

>>323163512
I found it pretty necessary for two of the DLC bosses (the two best boss fights in the game)

>>323186772
>strike damage > everything else
>multi-hit weapons are unplayable
>sweeping weapons are painful but playable
>if you're feeling cheesy, oneshot bosses with ricard's

>>323187826
>want to play dlc
>stop because of a 100% optional area
???????

>>323186939
>You didn't play it!

Do you ever get tired of saying this every time someone says something negative about Bloodborne?

>>323187826
>you can go through the entire area before talking to the queen
>there's literally no reason to

Fuck that might have been the worst hour of my playthrough

>There are people whose first From game was Dark Souls 1
Just think about that for a second.
There are people in this thread who haven't played DeS
There are people in this thread who haven't played King's Field games

>>323187826
>remember fucking frigid outskirts
you literally get nothing out of it, its so unimportant that I didnt even know it existed first time around

>>323179832
why not just use a torch
spiders are deathly afraid of fire

>>323158423
Is it worthy buying this game if I put 100+ hours into the PS3 version? I enjoyed it, even if it was the weakest series, but what kind of changes for the better did SotFS have?

>>323188093
You don't even know it exists!

>>323187826
You mean

>Remember that it's soon memories time

WORST part of the game by fucking far. Feels like an afterthought, well more of an afterthought than most of the game.

>>323188490
How can my ignorance be real if I don't even exist?

Who would win in a fight between Artorias and Ludwig, the Holy Blade?

>>323188391
Included all the DLC and shuffled around most of the enemy placements. If you've recently played through the DLC, it's probably not worth it, but if it's been a while it'll feel different enough to make another playthrough worthwhile.

>>323188619
Man I love what they did with Earthen Peak and Iron Keep.

>>323188619
What's the frame rate and graphical quality like on the ps4 version? I only played through the DLCs once but goddamn I loved that spear from Sinh

>>323188391
SOTFS is basically PTD edition with different (and better IMO) enemy and item placement.

>>323158423
Use your iframes nigga

>>323188138
Kings Field is objectively not good though

>>323188770
>Iron Keep
Get out.

>>323188608
Ludwig has that huge screen clearing attack. And shots beams in regular combos.

>>323188770

I really enjoy some of the areas a lot more in SOTFS.

>>323188980
Exactly, they want you to get out you filthy invader.

>>323188770
How can one anon be so wrong?

>trying to farm the hammer dude in dragon shrine for his hammer
This is hell

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>>323189212
Don't use a shield, that's what sets him off on his rampage especially if he hits it.
Good luck my brother.

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>>323178859
Superior waifu coming through.

>>323188773
Got the PC version so I can't help you there. I didn't notice much difference except for the updated lighting, which makes the dark areas actually dark for a change.

>>323189052
I agree, Iron Keep manages to be as bad as prepatch Amana, but the rest of the game is fairly enjoyable. It really helps that a lot of RNG tied stuff is now more accessible (Shadow Set and Heide equippement can be farmed without Ascetics, Catarina set is found in separate chests in the DLC areas, Mad Warrior is easier to get because of the Phantoms in Brume)

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>>323186772
>You realize Dark Souls 2 has more weapons, not only overall, but viable for end-game, right?
Horse fucking shit dude, that's a flat out lie.
There're more fucking weapons than I can count that're easily outclassed in terms of damage, weight, movesets, etcetera, not to mention the durability being a huge fucking issue when it comes down to viability.
I mean using a weapon WITHOUT stupid fucking magic buffs, you should at least be able to take a boss down with an unupgraded weapon, albeit, over a large span of time.
Not to mention, all that weapon variety ends up falling flat when you realize "Oh shit, it's the same piece of garbage with the same fucking moveset."
Shit, all of that weapon variety stems solely from the fact there're at least one fucking billion greatswords as opposed to everything else.

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tfw shit at faces

am I doomed to use drangleic armor? when can I get something better and better looking?

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>>323189317
I'm abusing the stairs because only his slam attacks can hit you there.
These drop rates are driving me insane. I've been farming this asshole for half an hour with CoC for unlimited spawns, jester hat, golden jew ring +1 and that hollow chestpiece and he still only drops medals and armor pieces.

>>323189212
I find it ironic that the hardest mob in the game has some of the best hitboxes. Farming them is worth it, that GH is as good as the Demon Great Hammer but lighter and better looking.

>>323188064
>>323188201
>it's optional so it's okay
Damn guys, just stop.
And you get pretty sweet sword from boss soul.

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>>323189417
>not using the circle tattoo as a mole

Also I still need to get the PC version.

>>323189667
Go down the hole or purchase more armour from Maughlin.

>>323189762
You know this is just my belief but I think I had better luck only wearing the ring. But that's not evidence that's hearsay.
Couldn't hurt to try though, you've been at it for half an hour already right?

>>323189784
Damn right.

>>323189641
What the fuck are you even trying to say? Do people really have trouble with Durability when there's a bonfire evey corner that replenishes it for free? Are you only using Washing Poles and Old Whips?

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>>323189641
I play DEX and you're wrong about everything.

>>323189972
the black faggot updated his stock recently, he's all cocky now and got some kind of al-something set, but it has still worse stats

I kinda wish now I used my branches on the closed path instead of the dude that makes unique weapons though, I'd be able to buy the claymore

>>323161261
W-what did Licia see?

>>323160162
Haha. Wow kid.

While this is up, how the fuck do you beat the 3 hunters in Yahar'ghul chapel?

I've been stuck on them for 3 days

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>>323158423
Get the timing right, judge when they're going to swing and in what direction, and roll into the swing so your iFrames eat the damage.

While they're facing away from you or in between swings, hit their back a lot.

>>323189667
Buy shit from Maughling and he'll put out the Alva set for sale, which is cool looking and offers good defense for the weight. There's also the Aurous set in the Gutter,

>>323168362
... poise doesnt affect your shield, shield is affected by stability, which is based on your shield, not affected by stats in any way.

Smaller shields generally have lower stability, which means blocking the same blow will take more stamina, and if you run out of stamina you get staggered. You dont need to use great shields, but using a small shield for blocking is usually pretty sub-par. Small shields are for parrying, if you want to block use a 90%+ physical block shield with good stability (like the dranglaic shield or the king's shield).

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>>323190218
>a fucking demotivational poster
I'm not even that anon but jesus christ dude

>>323190338
Focus on one, it's ok if you don't get the drops, they spawn where the Hunters used to be when you die.
I usually start with the shirtless one, or the one by the stairs.

>>323190128
Completely fucking unplayable tier
>anything with subpar durability
>anything with a sweep or spin that goes down to, or anywhere near the ground
>anything with a diagonal swing
>anything with a multi-hit attack
So I guess that leaves... the mace?

What's a good starting weapon? I'm a knight. I feel pretty weak though and my sword breaks fast.

>>323190672
>sword
Of course it feels weak, it doesn't have strike damage or a high counter modifier.

There are two types of weapons in DaS 2 that a sane person could conceivably consider using. Blunt ones, and the rapier.

>>323190672
Well if you put that 8 dex to a 10 you can use a lot more weapons early on, there should be a shortsword and fire longsword in Forest of the Fallen Giants. And a Morningstar on a ledge in Majula.

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>>323190956
>sane

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>>323190670
Do you use just one weapon only? I usually carry sidearms for variety, much less wear.

>>323191050
Shit
I haven't found a fire longsword yet. I just blew a hole in the wall next to the second bonfire in the forest. I haven't found the Morningstar either.

I cleared Kings forest and lost Bastille before going there. Did I go the wrong way?

>>323191416
Oh well if you're there already the blacksmith should have some stuff for you, ask the batty old hag.

>>323191378
I was dead set on using the halberd my first run. Had to carry three of them, and they still all broke sometimes. Like at the giant spider.

Also tried out a lance once. It broke before I got to that first foggy bonfire from majula. It's unbearable. If I ever play it again I'll just use cheat engine to get infinite durability or repair powders.

>>323190672
Do yourself a favor and use more than one weapon, they give you three slots per hand for a reason. Anyways, if you are keen on using swords, I find the Estoc and Heide Straight Sword to be good early weapons.

>>323191669
fucking
how

>>323189972
>do what this guy says and only use the jew ring
>hammer drops two runs later
Fucking hell.

>>323191669
>Broke all three halberds between bonfires
Anon, you absolute madman.

>>323190672
literally use anything, theres no bad weapons in ds2

>>323191859
Maybe it worked like I said. Maybe it worked after all those tries from before.
Up to you to decide.

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>>323191859
Forgot my picture.

>>323191669
What? I mean I get that weapons with 20 durability are a pain in the ass. But how do you have trouble with anything 40+?

Bloodborne has the indisputably best OST of all 4 games
>b-but muh demons souls
no

>>323191832
That's just how the game is on PC. Oh, and about the spiders, it's fucking atrocious how a rapier can't hit them with anything but the leap attack. I always have a shitty time getting to that damn spider.
>>323191940
There's like a billion fucking spiders between the bonfire and the big spider, which also has a ton of adds. Must've killed like a hundred of them total that run since I had to whip out my unupgraded sword.

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>>323189417
>>323189967
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