Need help getting my head around all the GTX talk.
I want to get a new card $500-700Max (i want to play just cause 3) my gtx680 stuggled to run far cry 3.
I spotted a deal for a MSI Radeon R9 390X Gaming 8GB GDDR5 for $550.
How good is MSI are they reliable? its cheaper and has more ram so whats the catch?
Mai and sapphire are pretty reliable and brand I wouldn't know about Nvidia. If you're willing to spend 700$ might as well skip 390x and get a fury. The performance increase from 390 to 390x isn't huge either.
so all that stuff about AMD/MSI having generic drivers and tend to suffer driver corruption more often is marketing BS?
i would go for the fury but its $1100
would graphics cards be cheaper in say thailand ?
Great I'm about to transition
I looking into buying a r9 390
Is any of the nvidia shilling real?
Will I constantly be fucked on driver updates and games not being optimized for it? Also is the power hungry shit real? Will my electric bill be crazy the month I start using this shit?
Nvidia posters please don't, I already gave your company shekels
The bad amd drivers is a meme, I switched to amd a few years ago and I haven't had a problems. And fury are less then 700
>MSI R9 390X
I'd recommend to get a Sapphire instead of the MSI as it's not quite as loud. Would also recommend to just get a 390 and OC it a bit as the X isn't worth the 100$ price increase.
Then you already win. You can get the best card in any consumer class. I suggest 980ti. It should last you for quite some time. The micro stutter is annoying though.
Definitely keep the 680 until the new GPUs come out in a few months.
It's very likely that the new architecture and finfet will destroy the current cards in terms of efficiency.
>gtx680 stuggled to run far cry 3.
I find that rather hard to believe.
Unless you mean "everything on ultra at 120fps".
Depends on the price.
I think neither the 970 nor the 390 is worth more than 300€.
Got my 3,5GB card for 270€, which was a very good price, but I'm probably going to sell it for a new one shortly before the new cards arrive.
We've known for quite some time now that FinFET is coming and there will be new GPUs in Q2/summer.
The technology has also been talked about at the current CES.
you cant use ulmb strobing at the same time as g-sync. strobing is a huge deal, on the same level as going from 60 to 144. all while the importance of v-sync diminishes as frametimes get shorter at high refresh rates.
ati scale better at higher resolution but you basically need a grossly powerful card to play at >100fps in 1440p unless you dont mind knocking down settings a notch, which you should because res + fps > graphics
>my GTX680 struggled to run Far Cry 3
m8, I ran Far Cry 3 on a GTX 460 and I got 40-50fps on med/high.
Don't get a R9 390, it's a re-branded version of the 290. Either get an R9 Fury or a 980ti.
Or you can wait until Nvidia's Pascal cards are released, which is probably some time this spring.
>GTX 680 struggled to run FarCry 4
It was one of the recommended cards to run it on high (and some things on ultra)
People buy anything on ebay. You will probably make a bit less though. You could always repackage it into the box of the new card but, at the very least, you should use the anti static bag to ship it in. You'll know what bag I mean when you open your new card.
>tfw the R7-370 (rebadged 7850) literally costs more than what I bought my 7870 for 3 years ago in australia
Honestly you should just wait like a year to see what comes out as 4k starts to become the standard. If you're set on buying one now I'd recommend the 980ti. AMD and Nvidia both have their issues but in my experience Nvidia has been better.
Honestly it's all about your experience, setup and expectations which decides where you should go for a GPU. For me, AMD is never happening again. It's great for mid~high-end but if you're building something to push the limits of high res/refresh rate/surround setups... AMD has issues in all of those areas.
I ran two 290X on blocks due to the disgusting heat output. Even on liquid - Zero overclock capability. I also bought these cards early on at $550 a piece, upgrading from two GTX 770s which were just shy of performing in a 5760x1080 setup.
AMDs EyeFinity is a fucking nightmare. I had to run all these third party patches to get the games working and even then half of them were glitchy, performed horribly and just otherwise a bad experience.
Then you have the current market - Which this is to no fault on AMD but it's reality. Goyimworks is everywhere. So many games today favor NVidia hardware you're almost cheating yourself out of a good experience by going AMD which sucks. Even prior to that, there are a lot of game engines which don't like AMD hardware. CryEngine is a prime example, Unreal 3 isn't a red team friend either.
I don't think AMD is a bad company in any way, they simply are being pushed out of the market. Which again - Nvidia fanboys IS NOT a good thing. Maybe this samsung deal they're getting into will help, fuck if I know. It'd take a lot to convince me to try them again with the way things stand today though.
My bad, I read that as "what CAN I do"
I have a 380X that I got for cheap and I'm pretty happy with it (old card was a 4670). I don't even care that much about graphics, its great for me as long as the game runs good at med+ settings, and like for you there's no point in spending on power that you're not going to need
Pascal (the new architecture) will be released some time in 2016. Maybe this spring, but more probably in the summer/early fall.
Your GTX 680 will hold up just fine, Far Cry 4 is an unoptimized piece of shit, don't take it as an indication that your card is obsolete.
Yeah, I admit I've never done anything like that. I'm just a simple single-monitor, single-GPU pleb. And for that, I've never had a single issue with AMD since I bought my card in 2012. Their drivers have been rock stable for me.
>will the Nvidia's Pascal make the 980ti redundant?
Yes, absolutely. Pascal will introduce new memory similar to the type we see on AMDs R9 Fury's.
They're talking of the high-end models having 32Gb of memory, with 16, 12, and 8gb being other options for the cards a step down.
AMDs drivers are significantly better than Nvidia's these days. I blame Nvidia's rapid-release of drivers, throwing them out for every AAA game release.
It's ironic, AMD used to have shit drivers and Nvidia burned houses down, today it's the opposite.
Thinking about buying "Sapphire 11244-01-20G Radeon NITRO R9 390 8GB GDDR5 DVI-D/HDMI with Back Plate (UEFI) Graphics Card"
I have pic related as a set up, will any of it limit this card?
>Nvidia's these days. I blame Nvidia's rapid-release of drivers, throwing them out for every AAA game release.
>It's ironic, AMD used to have shit drivers and Nvidia burned house
so by new architecture you mean it wont be a new GPU card that gets released that still years away?
could i run just cause 3 on my 680?
I feel that anon, for a modest mid~high end setup I'm sure it's fine. And mind you - This always was AMDs target market so it's not surprising. They're not trying to push the extreme enthusiast letter where NVidia is which obviously is a minority.
I think another big push AMD needs to get on is game streaming. I picked up a shield to throw on my TV... Holy shit is that the best $200 I ever spent. All my gamepad friendly games, and couch co-ops in the living room @ 4k 60fps without buying a second rig.
I'd like to see some more big pushes from AMD to get back on the map, there's just so much more Nvidia is doing in the industry other than flagship GPUs.
Pic related is my current build. Waitin on dat pascal.
>End of computer games
Are you literally autistic? NVidia is the pioneer of almost every major technological advance in games in the past several years. TreesFX was a joke. Goyimworks is a dick move but the results are amazing.
They're hands on with tons of devs bringing their technology into games. I agree I wish they'd play nice with their competitor but from a business stand point it makes sense. Are you going to go boycott the PS4 for not sharing it's baller exclusive line-up with PC and Xbone? No, of course you're not you little retard.
If you had said on principle being that they're strong arming market control - You'd be in the right. But 'ruining pc gaming'? Yeah, no. You've gone full fan boy and you don't even know how to define your reasons for doing so.
lets get to the base of this argument though. is it worth it to pay 2-3 hundred dollars more for a high end card when AAA devs only make console ports? This will only show any improvent on badly optomized games. Or gimpworks infested shit. unlesss you are some weirdo with 3 screens and a $3000 dollar rig.
faggot its called graphical bloat. God rays is just a layer of high contrast that you have to squint to see through that removes layers of it to simulate god rays its not something you want. Hairworks uses waaay too much power for what it is. Its a scam and you fell for it.
My cousin has a Radeon HD 6870.
I know it's older, but my friend built a new PC and gave me his old one, it just needs a graphics card. I'll get a better one later, I just need one for a bit while I save up.
I'm just wondering about how much it's worth now. He told me he wanted $80 because he's a cheap fuck, but realistically what should I pay for it?
I've owned a computer instead of a console since snes. its just not worth the money. I dont care how rich you are . spend that extra 2200 dollars on a great stereo or something.
don't go AMD
NVidia literally pays to have games optimized for their cards
get a 750 TI or 980 TI if you want a decent card
also MSI=Pretty gud
had two of their cards for a while, no issues
I'm the one whos stupid when you drop a fuck ton of money just to play console ports with slightly better hair and way too much contrast.
one day you'll see your mistake just like I did when I upgraded this computer 4 years ago.
>Doesn't go full into their hobby
Anon, do you have any joy in your life? I have more money than I can spend even with putting half my salary into savings. What the fuck else do you do with money if not indulge for yourself, friends and family?
There are so many things wrong with your post I don't even know where to begin.
First, learn how to write you barely literate troglodyte.
>there are no games that need anything close to it
I hope you don't actually think you're maxing games out at 120fps with a fucking 960/380.
>you are going to have to wait for consoles to catch up.
No I'm not. I'll be running games at higher resolutions, framerates and with better textures/draw distances.
And finally, performance isn't the only advantage of the new cards. Stay retarded, kid.
Only made it a few words into your post before I stopped reading, learn how to write you neanderthal. You're embarrassing yourself.
AMD needs to drop their terrible CPU's and just make GPU's, nvidia dominates the market and they don't make CPU's, because it's stupid and they know what to concentrate on.
Doesn't Intel have like 90 percent of the market on CPU's?
The games are exactly the same and this is a shit hobby kid.
120 fps is not necessary. 60 fps should be the standard but right now shit consoles have made 30 fps the standard. also there's literally nothing wrong with that writing I think you have reading comprehension problems I can see how you fall for the hype so hard.
The gtx 580 is long as shit and I still have 4 inches left lengthwise
Might push my sound card out of the way but who cares I guess
Thanks anon, I fucking hate driver updates every time a new game comes out
That might be a bad thing but whatever I'm not playing the newest games anyways, just want to play my current games on ultra
since we're on this topic is upgrading to "Sapphire Radeon NITRO R9 390 8GB GDDR5 DVI-D / HDMI / TRIPLE DP Tri-X OC Version (UEFI) PCI-E Graphics Card 11244-00-20G" for $50 more dollars worth it? I'm going to stick to one monitor
youre paying way too much money for a simple thing like fps. just a few years ago computers were a whole different arena from consoles but now the devs just make console ports.
>Your console shit is totally the same as my 400+mods
Yeah uh, you keep telling yourself that bud.
>120 fps is not necessary
Neither is 60, but it's better. Just as 120 is better than 60, 144 better than 120, 165 better than 144... Welcome to technology. I suppose 4k isn't necessary either? But holy shit does it look good.
You're paying way too much money for a simple thing like video games. Go outside and play with a ball instead.
I can read it fine too, I choose not to. Anyone who writes at such a low level doesn't have an opinion worth acknowledging.
Yeah, looking at benchmarks it doesn't take much to run. I take it back.
I was foolishly basing my comment of of GTA V's performance. I can't get a CONSISTENT 60 fps on ultra settings with MSAA turned all the way up with a 980 ti.
>Is any of the nvidia shilling real?
You tell me. The 390 is fine
>way to be as bad as them
How, exactly? Of course is not real, just do your own research, most of people who have problems with AMD drivers are retards who doesn't know how to use DDU or simply don't have the habit of monitoring their rigs, they would have the same problems if they had Nvidia cards
thats a great card man, you wont have to upgrade until MAYBE the next gen of consoles.
look I like games just as much as you I just dont fall for the nvidia hype. They have been pulling this shit since physx was proprietary. Also he had a valid point youre being a baby.
you really think your graphics card is going to help you do more work?
I can run GTAV on Ultra with 60 frames solid by just turning down shadows. There's a reason they have individual settings for computer games.
This is all I got for this thread hope you guys dont act like noobs and pay out the ass for nvidias shenanigans on the market,
>I can't get a CONSISTENT 60 fps on ultra settings with MSAA turned all the way up with a 980 ti.
No one can, I think you would need a 3-way SLI to maximize everything in GTA V @1080p 60fps
Unless you absolutely need a new card right now I would wait a few months for the new Pascal/Greenland cards that'll probably see a significant performance boost over what's on the market now.
don't have one, I've been a cucksole for a while
yeah not gonna happen
i5 + 380 is good I suppose?
that CPU isn't worth it
get something with an LGA 1150 socket and DDR3 compatibility and slice shitloads of money off your build seeing as DDR4 is no more than a meme and has no benefit (with video games) at this point in time
actually, dont bother with an i3, get an AMD FX if you're going cheap then upgrade to an i7 later and eventually a bard compatable with DDR4 when performance differences become noticeable
>a bard compatable with DDR4
>compatible with DDR4
Technically, Nvidia cards will usually work right out of the gate when a new game comes out. Or an update will be out very shortly after. Nvidia is a much bigger company after all.
AMD on the other hand usually takes a while to come out with a driver fix, which I suspect is where the "nodriverslol" meme comes from.
The main difference though, and this is something that's been gaining a lot of light recently, is that AMD tends to stick with their products longer. And Nvidia, for lack of a better term, has been jewing its customers in recent years.
While AMD will make sure its graphics cards will become more refined update after update. Their older cards function better now than ever.
Whereas Nvidia is purposely crippling the performance of its older cards in a jewish way of making customers buy new cards.
That and that whole 3.5 scandal really fucked over a lot of customers. I like Nvidia because it seems like a big name of quality products, but after that shitshow late last year, it makes me rather sad that a big company would do that.
>you really think your graphics card is going to help you do more work?
That would depend on your work. You were talking about multiple monitors though. That's a productivity thing, anon.
There's no use even trying to save face, you've been utterly obliterated. You also failed to respond to objective information put right under your nose and started ranting on about your own worthless anecdotal fucking nonsense because that's how pathetic and wrecked you are.
Again, fuck off and kill yourself. Go spread your misinformation on reddit, dog.
>a few months
Let's be honest here, there's no way it's a few months out. We're looking at a June/July release and probably even longer for the availability to be anywhere near decent.
I'm a poorfag so I can't justify dropping 500+ bones on a video card.
8gb of VRAM is retarded overkill too; great if you want to future-proof your setup for a few years though.
2-4gb and you are fine on MOST games.
I'm running a r9 280x (basically a rebranded 7970 if I remember right?)
And can run everything on max/ultra except for fallout 4 and GTA5.
It was only 275 when I got it and it will easily last me into 2018 unless it tanks on me before hand.
in terms of cheap tho
AMD compatable board (AM3+):
>Low as $50 in some places
Decent AMD CPU:
Intel compatable board (LGA 1150):
Decent intel CPU (LGA 1150):
>$250 (for the low end version)
very good intel CPU (LGA 1151):
AMD is cheapest in general but as expected not a high end processor, but works great for games
you have to remember you're not building some high end server/workstation and don't need hyperthreading but it will futureproof you (kind of) to get an intell
>this damage control
I don't even have a Nvidia card. Stay wrecked, dog.
You also type like you have steel rebar lodged in the crusty piece of literal dog shit you call your brain, so don't ever again comment on anyone else's writing.
I spent $600 dollars on the motherboard and cpu 6 years ago and I wont need to upgrade for another generation or two of consoles. If you only have to upgrade the video card its much cheaper to stay on the high end.
Why didn't you shell out the extra dosh for the overclockable version?
>Don't tell other people it's worth it just because I don't like it!
>I'll tell other people it's not worth it because I don't like it!
Wow, you're just the sharpest tool in the shed ain't ya?
You're the one who still hasn't responded to facts are spewing your worthless, misinforming opinion.
You sound like you have dementia too. What a wreck of a human you must be.
video games are getting pretty heavy on the cpu because of gimpworks and un-optimized console ports. releases from the begining of the year barely used either my cpu or my video card. Nvidia is pissing me off.
what facts kiddo?
I'm still running a Phenom II X4 955 BE and I don't have problems with the newest games.
Witcher 3 on med settings runs at 30-45fps.
Fallout 4 on high runs at 40-60
MGSV on high/very high runs at 50-60
This is on a 2GB GTX 760.
>Phenom II X4 955 BE
Nice fucking CPU, man, I had one until May 2015. I was having problems when GTAV came out and bought an i5. Do you use the stock cooler? That shit was LOUD
they made gimpworks and are paying money to put the shit into new releases to bloat the graphics for their own novelty tech and to trick dipshits into buying their newest overpriced garbage. Its physx all over again.
>tfw nvidia killed the best video cards
I used the stock cooler for about a month before I decided to give in an buy a Hyper 212.
Before that I removed the side panel from my case and put a desk fan next to it to keep it quiet, and it worked.
Bull. I had a 965 black @ 3.8 up till the launch of fallout 4, played that game a bit on it and didn't get shit near 40-60 fps on high. And that was with the fury from my new system in it just to see.
I only get 60 outside of Boston, but even in Boston it doesn't go below 35.
Sorry, my post should have said 35-60.
I pull down shadow quality and did some ini tweaks to improve my frame rate.
The Msi R9 are some of the best you can get. 390x or not. I have a Msi R9 390 8g its awesome. On the same budget you can get a GTX 980 or 980ti. Gtx 980ti 6gb would be the best but more expensive.
Only thing that's beginning to show its age is my MB and RAM. I could do with a newer CPU, but the performance gain isn't worth a few hundred bucks.
I'm waiting to see what the next generation of CPUs shows. Not looking forward to DDR4, though.
they are the absolute worst support you can get take it from a hardware re seller. I stopped carrying their products because of all the shit I had to deal with. let me guess you had to RMA something? thats not customer support that damage control.
Thinking of upgrading my sapphire r9 290 to the r9 390x over the coming months. Considering I only intend to play on one monitor at 1080p is it worth the cost? Going to wait for the Pascal cards to drop in price before I pick one up
Top fucking kek
Nobody gonna believe me but I'm the one guy that posted that shit all over
It's because I've seen it around here 2 or 3 times and got mad about the (assumed) shilling so I posted it like fifty times or something
are you fucking retarded or something? Selling computers that break all the time is bad for business. Who gives a shit if they have great customer support. you shouldnt have to return anything except on very rare occasions.
you both have a point
good customer support and being able to offer quick RMAs is, in fact, great customer service
but the cards shouldn't be breaking in the first place as well
Couldn't tell you on that one. I got a 290X reference design to water cool. I'm running that on a 7 year old 750W PSU that shows no signs of stopping. I occasionally get power dips that cause some fuckups, but if you can get a GOOD 750W+ PSU, you should be fine.
Stock coolers do an alright job, but really aren't designed for sustained play.
There is not a great performance difference between the 290 and 390x. I don't know many who would say it's worth the retail cost to upgrade. Perhaps if you find one on sale/used, and you have a good buyer for your 290.
This post reeks of newfag. I mean, holy shit, you actually take the GPU shitposter drivel seriously. Not to mention being dead wrong about company trends. They're both terrible companies that constantly fuck over their customers, but for very distinctly different reasons.
AMD is slow as shit about everything and has typically dominated the budget market because it's a fucking huge company you nitwit. Their resources are split between both CPU and GPU development which has stalled many of their plans for years. Having issues with fabrication factories doesn't help either since AMD foolishly bought up a bunch of them and did practically nothing with them for a long time.
Nvidia on the other hand is solely focused on GPU development and it shows in their release & development structure. Aim for the highest performance possible and say fuck you to any kind of cost consideration. The supposed "crippling" of older cards isn't an actual sabotage you idiot, it's a result of them always pushing too fast for the next stage. Which is still an asshole move, but the shitposters have mislead you big time.
On the topic of cards, what's the oldest one you still have lying around?
Still got my old HD3850 512MB
youre talking about the pre pay rma where you basically buy a new part then they refund you? That was the last straw for me they tried to say they already refunded me when they hadnt I just called the bank told them it was a fictitious charge after the third try to get it resolved and thats when I stopped carrying their shit. Shady assholes.
>/v/ shits on every poster who even mentions AMD cards
>The first thing /v/ recommends in every GPU thread is always either an R9 380 or 390
I never denied that gameworks is shit for older video cards. I'm just pointing out that retards are calling it sabotage when in fact it's just Nvidia moving on a faster development scale than it should be.
It's like driving and older car and then complaining that the car manufacturer somehow retroactively gimped its MPG once a newer more efficient model comes out. For fucks sake, it's completely illogical.
Be angry that Nvidia doesn't like to spend extra development time on old GPU efficiency, but don't call it sabotage.
no its sabotage and you know why? it bloats the games graphics immensely for the benefit of only a few and to the detriment of everyone else including amd owners. They need to stick to hardware manufacturing and devs need to stop letting a hw manufacturer fuck up their games. Its the main reason AAA devs just said fuck pc and went to consoles. Its actually ruining pc gaming.
Gameworks isn't about " moving on a faster development scale" it's about screwing over competition.
it actually has more of an impact on their own older cards. AMD's older cards arent affected as much but the games still run like garbage on anything but the newest Nvidia card.