Now that the dust has settled can we agree that this was the

>>323044686
its pretty average
DeS was better tho

Dark Souls is a great game but I wouldn't say its the best of the generation. Usually people focus on too small of a scope, in three years thousand and thousands of games come out.

Yes.

>>323044686
Meh combat
Mediocre story
Pc port is shit
Consoles version is also shit

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>>323044686
>any Souls game
>"greatest game of its generation"

>>323044968
DaS can't be average by definition. It's either shit, mediocre or great in your opinion. It's a niche yet still popular in both wide and narrow audiences of players game.

>>323044686
I agree with that statement.

Not even close.

>>323045927
mediocre and average are the same

It's the greatest game ever made

>>323044686
Yes

>>323045665
Forgot to mention it has the most cancerous fanbase ever

Red Dead is the 7th Generation game

>>323044686
Yes. If anyone disagrees I'd like to hear what's your game of the seventh generation. Also, greentext + anime pic isn't an argument.

Easily

This thread or similar threads like this would never have been made if this game stayed on console.

>>323045751
What was a better xbox 360/ps3/wii title?

I can think of a few games that are good, but i think dark souls can stand as a great cornerstone to represent games of the era

>it's visually captivating for 2011 and still looks great

>The gameplay constantly subverts your expectations

>Modern take on the metroidvania

What's not to love?

>>323046504
Dragons Dogma Dark Arisen

>want to make a new character
>looking up medium armor sets for fashion
>the stats on everything with similar weight are all objectively inferior to Elite Knight

Why is this allowed?

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>>323046303
Most cancerous is DaS anti-fanbase. (You) are the cancer.

>>323046721
JAN PAWEŁ II GWAŁCIŁ MAŁE DZIECI

>>323046628
>The gameplay constantly subverts your expectations
You shitting me? At best that applies to the first few areas of the game, everything after you ring the two bells is so boring and predictable. They didn't even bother with decent level design after that point.

>>323046890
(You)

>>323046628
the unfinished second half
the broken optimization
large number of weapons are completely useless
unbalanced as fuck
pvp is garbage
combat has a big reliance on criticals

>>323046668
You're only looking at defense, which really doesn't matter much past a certain point

Maybe not the greatest but it's up there, I wouldn't even know what game to nominate, I don't think any game can be "the best"

>>323044686
It's like eating curry at your indian friends house

it looks like shit
the plates are old and have decades of dirty moulded into them
the cutlery are slightly rusty
the room has an old lightbulb that barely works
the curtains are shut
the walls have damp on them

but the curry is the most delicious thing in the world

>>323047082
Defense and poise. The difference in weight with any of the medium armor sets are all negligible, while EK has highest poise.

>>323047056
>the unfinished second half meme
just fuck off already

>>323047056
>look at this list of completely inconsequential things

>>323047284
Check that again, the elite knight set has bad poise to weight ratio, completely inferior to the regular knight set in fact

>>323047284
Who gives a fucking shit just wear pieces that look cool you fucking scrub you really think that extra 30 defense mitigating 6 damage is gonna do anything

>>323047346
> Needing poise

It's like you want to get hit.

>>323047245
Im so sorry indian people are like that for you. We arent all pajeet fobs. Im an american. I even fly business class

>>323047285
Are you telling me that the dragon ass area was the result of a lot of thought, planning and playtesting? In that case the devs just turned retarded mid-development.

>>323047324
>look at this list of flaws in the game!
ftfy

>>323047556
No, I'm telling you to fuck off.

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I want to play with a THICK character. Will I get banned if I use Cheat Engine online just for that?

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>people say dark magic is op but it can't be that ba-
>kill boss with 2-3 dark beads max on NG+
>mfw people say dark souls is a hard game ever

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>>323047056
>opinion
>maybe
>opinion
>opinion
>opinion
>bullshit
next

>>323047741
POST ASS
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>>323044686
demons souls was better.

>>323047741
DaS has no cheat protection at all other than a shoddy mod that checks your opponents SL and Stats and if there is an error it gives you the option to kick them from the world/DC.

>>323044686
>greatest game of its generation
Nope. Far from it.

It's just another game.

>>323047741
It's like you cut a skinny person down the waist and hotglued them only a fat person's hips

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>want to make Crestfallen Warrior
>no idea how to go about it with the sliders
>nobody has made a guide for it

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Post builds!
>tfw not creative enough to come up with my own shit

>>323047740
So what you're saying is that you can't accept criticism of your favorite video game and thus are buttflustered?
>>323047781
>opinion
More like fucking fact
just look at Lost Izalith and tell me thats a fully complete, finished area
>maybe
on consoles, definitely
on pc, fixed by mods
>opinion
again fact
Why would you ever use the Mail Breaker, the Club, the Scythe or the BKUGS for example
better alternatives with better weight, damage, stamina consumption and range are all in the game
>opinion
Please tell me how dark bead and 50int is balanced
Please tell me how hornet ring and a rapier is balanced
Please tell me how avoiding all damage by backstabbing enemies with literally no punishment is balanced
>opinion
The netcode is total garbage and if you think otherwise, you haven't played enough of the game.
>bullshit
But its true again. Going for criticals not only is the safest route, its the fastest, conserves weapon durability, you're invincible while doing it, and the backstab windows are massive.

Demon's is better

Dark Souls is an unfinished failed experiment but has the best lore in the series

Bloodborne is the successful experiment, aside from the build variety, its better than Dark Souls in every way combat-wise and actually functions as a Metroidvania well.

inb4 pvp, that shit is a complete afterthought in every single game.

Dark Souls 3 will likely be the best in the series unless Miyazaki is pulling a Big Boss and is actually working on on Beepboopborne right now.

it has good lore but jesus fucking christ do dark souls fags have no idea what they are talking about. if you like the game best thats fine, but its not the best game of the fucking generation you bandwaggoning dip.

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>>323048456
get a debug .exe you jabroni

>>323048581
I think you're focussing too much on the PvP aspect of the game

>>323048514
Been meaning to try a parry/caestus build, but unfortunately your damage is shit against bosses and enemies you can't parry. Maybe mixing some piromancy in there

>>323046074
despite having the same definition, mediocre has a negative connotation.

For instance, your "average Joe" is just another word for a normal person/normie - I suppose in /v/, being a "normie" is a bad thing. But otherwise, it's quite neutral.

Mediocre, on the other hand, is used in a way that it doesn't compare to something as good. For instance, someone saying that a game is mediocre is like saying that a game should not have been made in the first place, because it's not as good as it should/could be. However, if the game was said to be average, it's "passable" or serviceable. The way some people see mediocre is below average, because of its negative connotation.

It's one of the weird things with the English language. Two words could mean the same thing, but one can be perceived as better than the other.

only 4 hard boss in that game and that's if you include the dlc, only 2 if you don't.
the boss's range from normal enemy mobs to reskinned asylum demon's to gimmick no combat boss's like bed of chaos.
lot of the area's are rushed and feel shit too

>>323046668

Defense only gives moderate defense. Can someone do the math? Because it really doesn't feel it makes that huge a difference if you get hit when wearing 100 def armor vs. 50 def armor.

Poise actually matters more.

But fast rolling light armor is a great way to go. You can even go naked.

>>323046628
>>it's visually captivating for 2011 and still looks great

Demon souls looks better. It's just stuck in 720p hell.

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>>323044686
Yep. Notice how nobody ITT will post a better game from last gen (there literally aren't any).

>>323048747
A lot of my points apply to the PVE as well
such as the weapons, the unbalance, the backstabs, the optimization, the unfinished nature of the game

>>323049203
demon's souls, dark souls 2 are better

What, the fagboy generation?

>>323049330
Demon's Souls has a better world/art design imo, but DaS is clearly an upgrade in terms of game design and mechanics. Dark Souls 2 is just one massive step back for the series on so many levels.

>>323049203
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_game_exclusives_%28seventh_generation%29

>>323048581
Think about it like a metroidvania, not a pvp game. You should find equipment that is better than your starting equips

>>323044686
Is the game even playable on pc with mouse and keyboard with dsmfix?

I guess liking dark souls became to common so now we have to hate it right? cool cool

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>>323048678
wat is that

It's so much better on a second playthrough.

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>>323049330

>>323049828
see>>323049223

>>323047741
A-are there any guides on the internet on using CE for fuller character customization? My dragonkin knight could use some thicker hips for better stability.

>>323048514
>Full Elite Knight Set
>Ring of Favor and Protection
>Switch to any resistance ring depending on what I'm facing, usually Speckled Stoneplate Ring
>+15 Scythe 2handed

What's not to love ?

>>323044686
I'd say Dead Space 1 was the best. Sure it's basically re4 ripoff, gameplay-wise, but it visually and armospherically still holds up (also, the best fucking sound design with next to no stock sound effects used)

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>>323049223
No shit the weapons aren't balanced, its a single player designed game.

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>>323048747
Not the guy you're arguing with but you've BTFO of 2 ds faggots bad they just respond with something irrelevant to the point.

>>323044968

You've probably never played DeS, newfriend.

Stop trying to fit in so hard.

>>323048514
>hybrid dex/int build
>+15 great scythe
>crystal magic weapon + dark magic
>bellowing dragoncrest ring + anything else

you kind of cheese your way through everything, especially on NG but its still pretty fun

avoid levelling vit/endurance that much if you want more of a challenge

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>>323049935

>>323050412
Of course it is
doesnt make the unbalance an issue
why would you ever use a worse weapon than this weapon?
why would you ever use the mail breaker or the black knight sword for example when you can grab a rapier or claymore 5 minutes into the game?

>>323046303

Well meme'd, neo/v/.

>>323050758
Fun.

>>323050758
Animations, properties other than damage, off hand weapon, appearance.

Also you assume everyone who plays the game is a guide reading faggot like you. People are not gonna find every weapon on their first play through without reading one.

>>323050758
Because not everyone is a shitter who needs godtier weapons to succeed.

>>323047457
im proud of u

>>323050753
can i be an NPC with this magic?
pls link ill figure it out

>>323050923
>fun
>worse, horrible weapons with no point into them
ok I guess.
Still leaves all my other points.

>>323044686
>gfwl
>duh, what is graphics settings?

Thanks, xenophobic dicks who only heard of PC from Microsoft promo materials

>>323051032
Thankfully gfwl was removed like a year ago.

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>>323051005
i don't have a link, google it

>>323047056
>large number of weapons are completely useless

For the main game? Nah. Anything can be used to beat it.

>>323049604
>but DaS is clearly an upgrade in terms of game design and mechanics.

It's slow. So slow. I like the speed of Demon souls.

>>323051012
There's always going to be a meta and/or preferred weapon in games like these with statistics involved. Barring that though, the fact that most of the weapons can be viable through upgrading means they're more usable than say, getting an ultimate sword and smashing the fuck out of anything and everything. That much is a step up, despite the small number of shitty weapons that do exist.

>>323051135
>That pic

Fuuuuark

>>323050952
Nigger I played the game for 1300 hours before I experienced something better
I had plenty of time to find the weapons on my own.
>properties
what fucking properties
This game had a single weapon that could pierce shields, pretty much none that could reliably poison (which was useless anyway), so bleed is the only property.
Again, why use the Club over the Reinforced Club?
Less damage and no bleed
>>323050954
>needs
what is this now?
The point isnt that you "need" great weapons, the point is that those weapons have no place existing when they have nothing going for them.
One of the many reasons why DaS2 was shit.

>>323046628
Red Dead Redemption was my favorite of this generation

>>323051012
What's best is subjective especially in a game where almost every weapon has a different set of animations. Also their are properties like built in damage resistance, poison/bleed, shield bypassing, poise damage, ect.

What's "best" is not best in every situation and certain situations are made easier by switching weapons. Not to mention when upgraded different ways weapons can be good for different things. Turning a "weaker" version of the weapon you use in a lighting or fire or magic version can be useful as an offhand weapon in certain situations.

Then some weapons can be used to parry in the off hand.

Some do bonus backstab damage.

Some are just different skins of the same weapon in case you want something that looks different. If you can't understand why lots of people have more fun when their character looks more appealing to them you're an ignoramus.

Go fuck yourself bro. There are plenty of reasons to use almost every weapon in the game.

>>323044686
that's like winning special olympics
it's one of the best hack&slashes ever though and anyone hating on it because of its popularity can suck on my balls

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>>323044686
Maybe in the top 10 senpai but definitely not number 1.

>>323051135
GAF thread?

>>323051132
Was dsfix officially implemented? Don't get me wrong, I fucking love the game, but i will never gift it in the right mind to the person i don't want get in trouble with fiddling with dsfix, dsmfix, dscfix, like i'm trying to boot up a pirated half life 2 on pentium 3 in software mode

>>323051390
Not every weapon in a game should be good. That would make the game piss easy and extremely boring. If you are good enough you can beat the game with any weapon in the game, that is good design.

>>323048902
for fists your best bet is either dragon bone fist or dragon torso bare fist

>>323047056
>broken optimization
I'm going to assume play on consoles and you heard that about fallout4 but have no real idea what that even means.
Darksouls 1 and 2 both run on fucking toasters. You're just throwing any buzzwords you've heard recently around because you have no real arguments

>>323051675
>Was dsfix officially implemented?
No it wasnt.

>>323051998
>>323051675

Can someoen make a petition for them to impliment it?

>>323052109
4/10 i replied

>>323047778
You make your own difficulty, nerd. No one is forcing you to dark bead you way through the game.

>>323051447
Concerning all your points, why would you ever use the mail breaker instead of the rapier?
It has no special properties
It can parry in the off hand but shields do that too with increased bonuses and other effects
It has very low reach, very low damage

The only reason why you would ever use it is if you wanted a weapon that looked like a mail breaker.

>whats best is subjective
the fuck it is
There are some clear cut weapons that will always be better than anything else.
>but not in every situation!
what fucking "situations"?

Beaten Souls games
-Dark Souls 100% (with dlc)
-Dark Souls 2 100% ( no dlc)
-Bloodborne (just beat it but haven't gotten all trophies yet although I killed all bosses in the base game. Haven't bought dlc yet.)

Haven't beaten
-Demons Souls - started new games multiple times but always drop it and restart later cause don't remember where I was.

What should I go for now? I just got Scholar of the First Sin so I can either play that for the first time, try DeS again, or do some more Bloodborne (old hunters or try to 100%).

>>323051390
>what fucking properties
Shield break, poison, bleed, damage resistance, bonus backstab damage, bonus parry frames, different blocking damages when used two handed to block attacks, special abilities like the dragon weapons have. Also depending on how you upgrade a weapon changes its scaling which means weapons with shit scaling are better to turn into elemental weapons.

If you think nothing can cause poison reliably and that there is only one weapon that shield breaks you are outing yourself as not knowing shit about the game whose balance you are bashing.

>Again, why use the Club over the Reinforced Club?
Again outing yourself as not knowing shit about the game's mechanics. I see the issue now, you don't know shit about scaling. The club has much better STR scaling while the reinforced club has bleed. For lower levels the reinforced club will do more damage but with higher strength the regular club with do more. Also the reinforced club is worse against enemies resistant to bleed. You didn't even pick two weapons that are actually reskins, you picked two weapons that have a real difference retard.

Since you can't make your argument I'll do it for you. You seem upset when there are reskins of weapons especially when one is slightly worse. As myself and others have stated, some of us aren't shit at these games. See I can beat the game with almost any weapon especially if I upgrade it so why wouldn't I use the one I think looks coolest? Only a min/max faggot like you can't see how a player's character being more visually appealing to them make the game more fun.

>>323051956
optimization concerns consoles as well genius
the game ran at a blistering 20 fps on consoles, not to mention the broken pc port only mended by mods.

>>323052109
That would accomplish nothing. The game has been out for a long time, they dont give a shit at this point.

>>323050606
He's right, though.
Demon's Souls was a much better game and Dark Souls was just a rip off of it made easier since nobody really played Demon's Souls.

A hidden gem made multiplat.

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>>323044686
no because dragons dogma was the better beserk simulator

>>323052247
Take a break from BB, you're gonna potentially get frustrated with the Cursed Chalice Dungeons at Depths 4 and 5. Go for SotFS, then move onto Old Hunters and Chalice Dungeons, then DeS.

>>323046628
dragons dogma

>>323052249
>shield break
useless
>poison
more than useless
>bleed
good, but again, there is the best of the best and theres no reason to use something else instead
>damage resistance
irrelevant when dodges are so good
>bonus backstab damage
rapier is the best, no reason to use anything else
>bonus parry frames
so do shields, and they have other effects
>different blocking damages
why would you block with a weapon when you have shields
>special abilities on dragon weapons
only useful in very limited places, where you could just as easily backstab everything and stay invincible all the time.

>>323044686
great game, but game of the gen goes to dragons dogma for me. way more shit to do and see

>>323052203
>Concerning all your points, why would you ever use the mail breaker instead of the rapier?
One is free the other must be purchased or obtained as a drop. How about because i found one and not the other? Which really answers any of these you can pose but despite that, like all your examples, there is a difference between the two.

Rapier has higher damage but requires two more strength and has a lower critical bonus. If you are a lower level the mail breaker will be better for a place like the Undead Burgh where you can fish backstabs. Also at that point in the game being low on souls to the point you can't buy a rapier or level up 2 levels is actually reasonable. Again, especially if you don't know that there is a merchant who has the Rapier. I completely missed the Undead merchant on my first playthrough because I played blind.

What situations how about the one I presented where enemies have different resistances. If you don't carry around a good fire and a good lightning weapon once you're at Anor Londo and you're so obsessed with being a min/max faggot you aren't very good at it. You already demonstrated you ignore resistances by saying there's no reason to use the club over the reinforced club. Uh, yeah there is, enemies with really high blee dresist. You also demonstrated you ignore scaling with that comparison showing us you probably don't understand that some weapons make better elemental weapons and better magic or divine weapons than others.

On that note we haven't even touched on divine and magic weapons really which are another reason to use other weapons. Also different types of physical damage, we didn't talk about that yet either. Your argument is crumbling.

>>323051956
DaS is unplayable without DSFix on PC though.
>inb4 blame shitty pc
i have a r9 280x which should be more than capable of running this trash

>>323048931
to me, average has the same connotation as mediocre. slightly negative. same category as adequat

>tfw i won't be able to go back to souls after playing bloodborne
BB combat is so much better and fun

>>323053106
mashing isnt fun

>>323044686

the game is closer to a 9/10 than a 10/10 because of the bad last third, the game kinda falls apart after anor londo.

I think I like Sin and Punishment 2 on Wii a little more, but then, it is a short rail shooter.

Dark Souls is definitely the best big game of last generation.

>>323053010

DSFix actually makes it run faster?

>>323044968
Sonygger detected

>>323053106
that is like saying that you cant play Dark Souls after playing DMC or Bayonetta.

>>323044686
Bayonetta 1
Ninja Gaiden 2
Nier
Condemned Criminal Origins

So many more better games. Maybe the best Dungeon Crawler RPG of its generation maybe.

>>323046628
>>it's visually captivating for 2011 and still looks great
dragons dogma. despite the shit textures, the lighting blows DaS out of the fucking water
>>The gameplay constantly subverts your expectations
i don't even know what that means. were you surprised that you could swing a sword in a medival game? please clarify. should you mean variety, dragons dogma also wins
>>Modern take on the metroidvania
ok, i'll give you that. best 3d metroidvania on the market today

>>323053106
I guess it's GOTY for dexfags, I can't enjoy medieval themed games without a shield

>>323053447
Nah, they are different kind of games

>>323050758
I played through the entire game with the black knight sword first run because I enjoyed it more than the claymore

>>323053402
Not by much, but it fixes DoF scaling, which was one of the (many) causes of shitty performance.

>>323052851
>useless
Confirmed for never using it and never PvPing
>more than useless
Not if paired with poison arrows or throwing knives. In fact some bosses can be cheesed this way.
>good, but again, there is the best of the best and theres no reason to use something else instead
Unless something has bleed resistance but everytime I point out how you ignore this you just ignore me
>irrelevant when dodges are so good
you're reaching so hard at this point. So you beat the game no armor and never leveling VIT too right? Since dodges are so good afterall. I mean jesus dude fuck you. "The only right way to play is my way". What if I want to be a fat rolling character with insane HP and defense?
>rapier is the best, no reason to use anything else
This isn't even true, the mail breaker ha a higher multiplier but less base damage making it better at low levels but worse at higher. Also daggers and knives have a lower equip load (which is another thing we haven't touched on along with stamina cost and durability)
>so do shields, and they have other effects
And also are shields and not weapons. You don't see the difference between a shield and a weapon? Ok let me explain you can't stab someone with a shield when it's in your left hand.
>why would you block with a weapon when you have shields
As I said in the very sentence you quoted only half of, when you are two handing a weapon. Let me guess though no one should do that either because you don't?
>only useful in very limited places,
Elaborate on this because I can't even respond to such actual bullshit. What can I say to this? No they are useful in tons of situations. That's my argument then if the one you just made is acceptable.

You also ignored how I explained why you were wrong about the clubs. Get fucked bro. Go ahead and continue to quote half my sentences and ignore half my posts while focusing on the very few things you can make extremely weak arguments against.

>>323053510
nier fucking sucked dick through a garden hose gameplay wise. fantastic story though. so it's more like "short novel of the gen"

>>323052851
>poison
>useless
Just because you're impatient doesn't mean it's useless.

>>323053510
NONE of those games were half as hardcore as Dark motherfucking Souls.

>>323053510
>Bayonetta 1

So many cut scenes and QTE. They ruin a lot of Platinum games.

>>323052851
>the way I play the game is the ultimately and only way to play the game

>>323053841
they are all hardcore, the difference is that those games test your reflexes and Dark Souls tests your patience.

>>323050606

Reminder that DeS has the best
>bosses
>atmosphere
>level design
>combat (faster and more fluid than DkS)
>weapon design
>armor design
>mechanics (grass over estus, mana over spell uses, being in soul form actually has consequences)
And finally it was actually a complete game and didn't have downright pitiful, half-assed shit like Ash Lake, Anor Londo Castle, Lost Izalith, Demon Ruins, or the same Asylum Demon boss recycled three times. And it actually explained basic game mechanics unlike Dark Souls with kindling, Estus upgrades, and weapon upgrades. It also didn't cater to "le so hardcore xDD" memers and was never meant to be arbitrarily difficult, but was just meant to be punishing so victories felt more fulfilling and rewarding.

>>323053959
>replying to bait
also, nier doesn't test shit. it's fucking impossible to die in nier

>>323052941
>2 levels of str
nigger are you kidding me? You can get that when get out of the asylum
>low level crit damage
doesnt matter when any backstab from any weapon at that point in the game will one shot all the enemies barring the black knight, with which you might want more range
>being low on souls
the enemies infinitely respawn and theres soul drops all over firelink and some in the burg as well
buying a rapier is nothing
>missing the undead merchant
so what you're saying is that you need to be retard in order to make the mail breaker usable?
>fire/lightning
whats the point when the upgrading for lightning uses the same as for physical, which means more souls or more farming used
fire is tedious and ultimately unfun to upgrade, and not only that, its fucking useless because full physical does just fine all around the game, where as elementals always have enemies who resist them a ton.

>>323052851
Parrying dagger is actually really useful for lightweight builds. It weighs only 0.5 units. The other piece of parrying equipment, the Target Shield, meanwhile, weighs four times more.

If you're a lightweight class aiming for fast rolls and that 1.5 units will put you over the medium roll threshold, the Parrying Dagger is a great choice. The Target Shield isn't all that useful for blocking attacks, anyway.

>>323053228
Fishing for backstabs 24/7 isnt fun.

>>323054006
Grass ruined pvp, and soul form was superior with the nice damage bonus, on top of being immune to invasion and stabilizing how world tendency works.

>>323044686

dust has never settled

>>323045927
It's a video game you nigger, there's nothing particularly special about it.

>Playing DaS2 for the first time
>Finding out death decreases max health bar

Why ?

Who thought it would be fun or bring anything positive to the game ?

>>323054424
I'm done with you. You just ignore everything but the few things you can make a weak argument against which usually boils down to "Why bother, I didn't" or "That didn't happen to me".

You either have actual autism or are a sociopath given your inability to understand that your playthrough was not the same as everyone else's.

>>323054424
>all the enemies barring the black knight
So you prove his point correct by pointing out that there is a specific encounter early in the game in which the weapon is best suited confirming exactly what he originally said which is that different situations call for different weapons.

>>323054424
Builds that don't focus on str/dex. lightning is effective in some niche parts like vs. dragons, not to mention gold pine resin is limited per playthrough.
Fire chews through more corporeal enemies, which is a majority of enemies in the game.
Physical is more flexible, since it can be enchanted with weapon buffs/resins. However stats needed for casting the enchant (INT/FTH, ATT) and in the case of resin, price/availability (Resin, especially gold pine) need to be considered.

If you're referring to fire/chaos being tedious and unfun to upgrade due to chaos eater farming you would need to be investing in more than one or two fire weapons.

>>323054424
I love how twice he provided how information on how one weapon is good for one type of character/enemy/place in the game and one is good for another and all you can muster as an argument after being proven wrong twice is.
>whats the point
Are games a job for you?

>>323054424
Well yes anon if you refuse to use any build but fast rolling, physical, sword and board build then yes you're right. You win. Dark Souls has shit weapons even though it's on of the things the game is universally praised for.

>>323055397
>not to mention gold pine resin is limited per playthrough.
If you really need more, you can easily farm it off giant mushrooms

>>323044686
Its a good game for about 40% of its run time, then it turns to shit when the world design and level design falls apart.

Not to mention the horrible fanbase, the garbage pvp, the atrocious optimization and frankly the shallow simplicity of the combat that makes it extremely repetitive.

Using melee weapons boiled down to backstabs or just poking from behind a shield, and magic boiled down to standing back and spamming R1 for instant wins because spells were broken overpowered.

Its worthy of a playtrough but its not even close to being game of the generation.
Its funny though, because this thread would have never been made had it not come to PC.

>>323055686
In which case you mine as well farm souls to upgrade a weapon for permanent pine resin.

>>323055686
What?
I always went to that place but they never dropped pine resin when I kill them again.

>>323053841
>Dark Souls is harder than Ninja Gaiden 2
Are you excluding anything harder than normal difficulty in NG2? Surely you don't think Souls is harder than MNM...

>>323055672
Nobody praises dark souls for its fucking weapons, you kidding me? People praise the game because of its world and level design and because its so harddcorre that normies can feel great about beating it once or twice.

Pretty much the only reason why this game was ever special or interesting is because it came out in a time where games and gamers were used to easy handhelding experiences.
Then one game comes out that just says "go kill shit, figure it out" and its goty all year every year.

>>323055771
>Its a good game for about 40% of its run time, then it turns to shit when the world design and level design falls apart.

40% is too low. The only areas that are blatantly not finished:

>Ash lake
>Great Hollow
>lower New Londo
>Tomb of the Giants
>Demon Ruins
>Lost Izaleth
>Undead asylum

The rest of the areas are done.

>Not to mention the horrible fanbase,

This should never, ever, ever color your views of a game.

Am I overlevelling, is DS2 easiest Souls game or did I just got gud? I've been steamrolling through DS2, only bosses where I have died more than three times was with Rat Authority because of the fucking toxic rats and Belfry Gargoyles. Everything else I kill with ease, sometimes I don't even have to use an Estus.

Currently SL90 in Iron Keep which is the only area I have yet to conquer so far. And my mace does short work of every mob in here.

>>323055771
Level design kept the same of room filled with bad guys you can't rush because you'll get killed all the way to end of the game anon

Only thing lacking are shortcuts, but the game was wrapping up so that's understandable

You can also pretty much play the game however you want, may it be hiding behind a shield, Bloodborne-like dodging and rushing, just spamming with magic, going one-weapon only etc., so don't fault the game for you playing like a scrub

PS3s are also dirt-cheap nowadays so if Dark Souls didn't come out on PC it would've still been talked about

This game mixes everything good about old games and new games and every mechanic compliments the next and that's why its gotg

>>323056046
>Nobody praises dark souls for its fucking weapons
You're delusional dude. Seriously, you are living in your own world, I have never seen your criticisms of the game leveled at it before and everyone is providing tons of arguments against what you're saying and you just ignore them from what I've seen.

People praise the weapon variety and the differences in animations all the time.

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Posts like these are what make people hate the souls fandom

>>323052546
That actually feels perfect. Going to do exactly that. My goal is to have them all 100% by the time DaS3 comes out.

Also did they add stuff to the base game of DaS2 with Scholar of the First Sin? I just got to Heides tower and don't remember this fucking dragon here. Hopefully there will be more changes I run into down the road.

>>323056416
Maybe in the community itself sure, but on a industry wide scale, nobody praised dark souls for its weapons

Im also not the guy you autismos kept replying to.

>>323054006
>bosses
if by best you mean easiest sure
>atmosphere
arguable, but its one of the better ones in the series
>level design
ds1 and bb are both as good or better
>combat
bb is better
>weapon design
subjective
>armor design
subjective, i thought ds1 did armors way better
>mechanics (grass over estus)
no. grass was garbage, estus was objectively better, consuming one had consequence. eg; should i use my limited estus now, or wait till i find the next bonfire? heal this small bit of health or wait till i take more damage? grass was ez mode.
>mana was better
it was alright, too easy to spam high tier spells late game with a million consumables.
>being in soul form actually has consequences
sure

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>>323048581
You act as if Demon Souls didn't have all of that as well.