TotalBiscuit's opinion on $600 Rift cost

>>322913628
>b-but Oculus swore on the ashes of their dead grandmothers that it would be $300
Boo fucking hoo, turns out business expenses aren't that predictable and change over time.

VR is going to be a flop if it focuses on gimmicky bullshit like motion controls, head movement, eye-tracking, etc. I think VR has a place to possibly replace the TV/monitor for more immersive experiences (although clearly this won't always be possible and traditional TV and monitors will always be an option).

But if they start doing gimmicky shit that dumbs down the game and gives up control and accuracy for gimmicks, then it will fail. The motion control shit might be cool as a quick gimmick that loses its luster fast. But in terms of a viable piece of technology, I believe it has to do more with high end graphics and surround sound that makes you feel there and immersed, while the controller allows you to still fluidly control the game instead of waving your arms around or craning your neck around.

>>322913628
Getting eye cancer won't matter if you'll soon be dead from rectal cancer.

Wasn't there a video about the OR where the guy was talking about how he wanted to make an affordable VR product for the average gamer?

I'm pretty sure people thought that the Rift would be like 100$ because of that.

I don't see how VR opens up possibilities for new genres, but I agree that this is a typical business move that targets early adopters and not the mass market, therefore the price shouldn't be compared to consoles, mid-range monitors or smartphones.
Early adopters usually don't care that a product costs 600$ instead of 400 or 500, this is the first "complete" VR on the market and they're hell-bent on getting their hands on it.

>>322913628
>totalbiscuits opinion

literally who?

>>322914341
>gimmicky bullshit like motion controls, head movement, eye-tracking

you mean things that make VR, you know, VR?

>>322915095
Nope, VR should be about immersive sound and graphics, not about gimmicks at the cost of gameplay.

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>>322913628
>It's not a gimmick
Look, I like the idea of VR as much as the next guy, but it clearly is a fucking gimmick.
I don't understand this whole damage control going on.

Is he hoping to get one for free because he's a youtuber?

>>322913628
He'll bite the dust before the first batch hits the market, who cares about what he says.

>>322913628
>[let's play faggot]'s opinion on [news]
remind me why i should give a fuck

>>322915164
Vr that doesn't let you interact with the world in 6DOF is not true VR.

>>322915371
You shouldn't, this thread is clearly meant for those that do. Remind me why you're posting here?

>>322913628
People shill out 800$ for an iphone. The truth of the matter is that most of /v/ is just shamefully out of touch with how much most hardware can sell for nowdays.

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>>322913628
Fuck off Facebook shills

Buying Facebook oculus:

>spyware
>ads
>they will stay away from any pornographic content, since its a corporation trying to sell the VR for people to do shopping with it

fuck no

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>>322913628
>e-celeb opinion

>>322914341
I think the real problem, insofar as gimmicks are concerned, is that no one knows how to expand upon a gimmick anymore. To be brutally honest, 3D itself was basically just a gimmick, but you had games like Mario 64, Tekken, Quake, FFVII and a whole host of other groundbreakers to show what 3D could do. So long as the ONLY use of head tracking and motion control is for shit like FNaF or The Same VR Demo from 1988, just with smoother textures, then, yes. It will flop. But innovation in gaming hasn't been on anyone's list of priorities for so long, its really worrying if there will be a company that can make games for the OR that csan show off ALL its potential or not.

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>>322915371

>>322913628

>Advanced head tracking technology
What does that actually entail?

I'm surprised that it's that cheap.

>>322915685
>they will stay away from any pornographic content
Just like Benq stays away from pornographic content so you can't watch porn on their monitors? Oh wait.

Who gives a shit what his opinion is on them? He's not even going to live long enough to use one.

>>322914216

>"b-but the backing of Facebook will allow us to keep costs down!"

B A L L P A R K $ 3 5 0

What the fuck do people want from vr anyway and what are you stupid faggots scared of?
I just want to be put INTO games.

>>322913628
Dead on arrival
But whom?

>a phone screen
>total cost to a company: 20 dollars in parts
And that's the extent of the "high tech" hardware on display here.

It's an absolute joke to charge 600 bucks for what is basically a phone without any of the actual tech or complexity that a phone requires.

I heard people here commenting that you didn't need a gaming rig for oculus rift and that a 300 toaster would do. Whatever happened to that?

>>322915881

>monitors require proprietary drivers to function

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>>322915170
You seem to be negatively defining gimmick, which would be fine because it has less value as anything else.

It's not a trick. Great FOV and better spacial resolution and visual processing from 3D aren't just memes. It's a gateway in to the introduction of color theory and formulaic contrasts, even for optimal multiplayer design. Characters can be more discreet looking because the 3D effect gives more definition. It also promotes a fresh standard for "games with a required X amount of graphics settings" so that competitive games have no place to turn off graphics for benefits.

>>322915762
Advanced is a marketing buzzword that means the tech is available to the masses and is in some cases functional.

>>322916051
The cult's talking points adapted to the truth getting out.

>>322916086
>Implying there aren't already community drivers, at least for the kit versions

Anyone have the BaldEgo pic?

>>322916086
>drivers will block out porn
The rift doesn't have a fucking appstore, dumbass. Anyone can make shit that's compatible with it and there already is VR porn.
Fucking shit, you paranoid cucks are retarded.

>>322916094
Too bad games won't be designed for this tiny market slice and instead will be designed for everyone else with "VR" headset support as an afterthought.

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TB is such a chode. He acts like everyone is a dipshit for expecting it to be $400-500 when Palmer said only a few months ago it would be "in the ballpark" of $350. He makes no predictions whatsoever and then acts like he was right about everything all along.

>>322916367
Unless they all get motion sick from playing at 30 FPS.

>>322913628
>I'm not exactly sure where people got the impression that the first piece of true consumer-ready VR was actually going to be cheap
From Palmer's own lying mouth and the Kickstarter pitch.

>It's not a gimmick
It is literally a gimmick.

>>322913628
shit he's right.
I'll put away the torch and pitchforks...

Oh well, my hardware can't run it anyways.

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>>322916094
>Great FOV VR
>Game is locked to 90 FOV

>>322916374
He says its going to cost more than that in the same sentence.
In the same ballpark could just stand for "3 digit price".

Is there anyone who expects this thing to not fail massively?

>>322913628
>cutting edge
what

the vive is cutting edge AND it'll be cheaper

watch this post

>>322916530
The Oculus has about 110.

>>322916094
It's a gimmick.

I'd say the best example of how VR will be viewed is the same as high framerate film.

People are used to games looking a certain way. They're 2D representations of 3D objects. Just like how motion blurred 24FPS is a representation of the real world.

Is it "better" to have a game in full 3D? Sure. Is it useful enough to warrant strapping a screen to your face? Not even close.

It's not even useful enough to justify wearing 3D glasses for the vast majority of the market. Or staring in a specific "sweetspot" location, a la the 3DS.

The product will fail because the thing it does well, is something that nobody really cares about, and that adds nothing to gaming.

>>322913628
totalbiscuit is also a cuckhold and i'm not sure why anyone gives a shit about his shitty opinions

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>>322916052
>I CAN FINALLY REST IN PEACE

That's what he also said

>>322916556
more than $50 but still roughly in that ballpark.
$450 is more and roughly in the same ballpark.
$600 is not even close to being in the same ballpark, it's a 70% increase.

>>322913628
No one cares lardass.
Vr is a gimmick fad, and it woudve died sooner or later.

They've just chosen to make it die sooner rather than later.

his opinion on t his is irrelevant.
He hasnt worked hard a single day in his fat miserable cunt life, yet has ample money.

He has no clue about the value of a dollar.

HURR DURR MY MONITOR COSTS MORE THAN THIS.

Okay? So what? You're a fucking neglegible outlier.

Also, you'll be dead before VR actually releases.

>>322916654
anyone whos tried it. 10 years ago a very different (and much smarter) /v/ said the ps3 would fail with its 599 pricetag. The poorfags were proven wrong then, and they'll be proven wrong now.

>>322913628

except the part where oculus said it would be in the $350 range

>>322913628
Wasn't the old oculus rift 300 dollars for the dev package 2 years ago?

>>322916841
Uh, he clearly says that it is NOT a gimmick. Try again.

>>322916775
>Is it "better" to have a game in full 3D? Sure. Is it useful enough to warrant strapping a screen to your face? Not even close.
>3D is the only benefit

>>322913628
>cutting edge tech
But the vive will be better technical wise and cheaper, because oculus just shot themselves in the fucking foot. I was expecting 300, 500$ at MAX. But 600$ is just because they added a bunch of socila feature crap to it and the facebook icon.

Welcome to the fucking future.

>>322916864
The PS3 did fail, though. After the PS2, they were completely primed to absolutely dominate the market. Instead, they played second fiddle to the 360 for almost the entire generation, while the Wii smashed all records by appealing solely to casuals.

Didn't they argue that Facebook buying them out would make the price go way down? Why did the price suddenly double instead?

>>322917067
BTFO.

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Don't worry Sony Bros! Our saviours Sony have a solution for us - Playstation VR! It will harness our PS4's power combined with it's own supercharged processor to bring to us the most highly graphical impressive and jaw-dropping experiences to us at an affordable price!

"Games for PlayStation VR can be rendered at 120fps" - Playstation.com.

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It all depends on demand.

I don't see the point on getting one if there is no games worth playing on there. Sure there might be some pretty impressive head tracking ect but if there is nothing to keep me entertained I would rather spend £500 on more worthwhile £ to hours played stuff.

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>>322913628
>it's not a gimmick

can't believe people believe this shit

>>322913628
>Listening to advice on what and what not to buy RIGHT NOW from a guy that won't even be around in 6 months anymore

Ok then...

>>322916654
but it has anime porn

>>322917067
Head-tracking is not a benefit in 99% of games people play. Only the sim scene has any use for it, and the existing solutions work fine and don't cripple the most vital sense.

What you're saying is pretty similar to saying "why don't we all use analog sticks for movement instead of WASD?". It's inaccurate trash, people would rather use a mouse instead of their whole fucking head.

There isn't anything else on offer from the device.

>>322916864
You didn't need a $1200 computer to use the PS3

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>>322913628
Nah, Vive is going to be comparable or possibly even undercutting it since Valve will inevitably make back the money on growing the Steam platform with VR.
Vive was only sure to be the more expensive option back when the Rift was going to be $350.

>>322917106
>>322917132
time to grow up and face the truth consolefags, ps3 still dominates the market today, and their biggest competition at the time wasn't the xbox it was their own ps2

but I already got an occulus dev kit over a year ago for 300

what the fuck changed that makes it 600? does it have double the features and shit?

>>322917229
the key to not giving people motion sickness is that the game has to be around 90fps. If it is lower you will get motion sick.

>>322917450
Facebook logo had to be printed on it

>>322917385
Do you honestly imagine head tracking to be some implausible achievement by the most proficient of dev studios? It's a little camera code.

>would rather use a mouse instead of their whole fucking head
>not both
You can't look without aiming in most games, and that would require an extra button press as well without HTing.

>>322913628
>I'm not exactly sure where people got the impression that the Rift is going to be cheap tech.

Well, MAYBE, but just MAYBE because they said it themselves that they are aiming for the same price the developer versions went by, price range 250-400$. They promised us that, and just fucked us over and slapped a 600$ price tag on that. I'm 100% positive that the production cost of this thing is not nearly as high, and that they could have sold it for 399$. Or just not include a goddamn xbox one controller and force it on you.
Many, many more people would have bought it at a 399$ price range, including me and many others that I know.

>>322917698
Ofcourse the cost isnt that high.

Its a fucking smartphone taped to your face, but without all the tech that makes a smartphone expensive.

its literaly just a phone screen and a motion tracker.

I never questioned the pros of VR, its awesome when you use software thats made for it. I still personally think the resolution and persistence issues are going to take a while to solve but as is its adequate.

My skepticism comes from the Cons of VR. Just like motion controls its not a replacement device, it doesn't work for all genres, its insular and can be fatiguing during long sessions. I still question its staying power past the honeymoon period with a lot of users where they are initially "OOH and AHH'd" then come to the conclusion that while it was neat they wouldn't use it long term.

The processing power and display tech will come in time but getting enough people to use VR daily so that developers want to jump on the bandwagon and make big budget games from the ground up for VR is still up in the air.

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>>322913628
>TotalBiscuit's opinion
Thank you, now go back to sleep

Isn't TB British? Why the fuck does he never mention £££ only $$$

>>322918021
he lives in the USA

>>322918021
a majority of his viewers are americans by mass

>>322917064
>b-b-b-but totalbitchtits said

Totalcoloncancer is a clueless prick who knows about as much about the industry and Pc's in general as you know about nuclear science.

He doesnt know how to build a PC, he pays some mook to do it for him and then he just brags "muh dual titans"

This is the person that said Thief 4 was a good game.

Make no mistake. VR is a shitty gimmick that will die about as fast as 3D TV, and for the same reasons.

>>322913628
He's right. Not sure about 'it's not a gimmick' thing though.

>>322913628
The dead have no voice

>>322917698
They've been running on facebook money for a while and they need to be profitable to keep running.

>>322917661
What? I literally just said that there are already existing solutions for head tracking, they've been around for a decade.

If it was at all useful, they would have tried pushing it on casual gamers already.

There are 2 different set-ups for headtracking. Either my crosshair moves with me, or it doesn't.

If it does, then you wind up with a really "realistic" set-up of turning left, and then having to move your mouse left while you turn back to a neutral position so you don't wind up turning 180 degrees and breaking your neck.

If it doesn't, then you wind up in an incredibly awkward position. Why would you ever glance left, when you can move your mouse to the left and back in half the time while maintaining perfect accuracy?

It adds nothing to most games, only being annoying.

>>322917256
Go easy on him, his cancer clearly has metastasized to his already defective brain.

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>making an e-celeb opinion thread

>>322913628
>233 million pixels..... full hd being 207 million pixels..
wat?

>This thing renders at 2160x1200, that's 233 million pixels.
That doesn't seem right?

>>322918581
its 1200p instead of 1080p

>>322913628
b-b-but it's a gimmick like the 3ds! It has to cost about as much! R-right?

>>322918581
>>322918648
per second, at 90fps

>>322918581
>unironically using the term "full hd"
1920x1080 is less than 2160x1200

>>322918648
2,592,000

I don't know where he got nearly a quarter of a billion pixels but its not that high

>>322918581
>>322918920
that's what i wanted to say with my post

>>322918918
his numbers are way off

>>322917247
>posting that
they basically had to be hand build dude, and the pieces had to be custom made by the company, all of them, no shit it's going to be expensive

>its not a gimmick

It's a gimmick.

>>322918365
>If it was at all useful, they would have tried pushing it on casual gamers already.

>If 60 FPS was useful, they would try pushing it on casual gamers

No..

>unique reticle and camera angle isn't helpful
Post quality.

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Discarding an argument based on the person making it instead of the actual merit of the argument is pretty Untermensch desu.

>>322913628
>TotalBiscuit's opinion
Why does it matter?

>>322919416
>It's a gimmick.

its not a gimmick.

>>322915164
You realize that VR without head movement is actually shit. You need all of that in order for it to be good and not make the average person vomit.

>>322918581
>>322918648
>>322918802
>>322918920
>>322919018

2160x1200=2,592,000 (1 frame)
233,280,000 (90 frames/1second)

1920x1080=2,073,600 (frame)
186,624,000 (90 frames/1second)

He fucked up, but only 1080p numbers.

>>322915170
It's a gimmick just like 3d videogames are a gimmick. Who needs a whole extra dimension?

>>322919416
its actually not but keep telling yourself that to feel better about not affording it

>>322919705
thats a pretty retarded and obfuscating way of calculating the resolution

so he's saying "resolution * frames per second?"

thats a retarded metric, who the fuck ever thought of that?

>>322919502
Totallivercancer has not once in his miserable cuck life said anything of value unless it was something he parrotted from people smarter than himself.

his entire career is built on his pathetic little fps buzzword and angry brit shtick.

his accent isnt even real.

If they want to make their product appear more accessible to buy, sacrifices have to made.Especially one hyped up by media and other shows.

600 dollars is a lot. And the average consumer will not understand they need a powerful computer to make it work. They just expect to plug it in and use it.

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>Not getting the second iteration exclusively for the porn.

>>322919872
Measuring performance in pixels is retarded to begin with.

>>322919839
Funny, I've heard cockslaps like you say that exact same thing before.

It was when they were defending their purchase of a 3D tv.

They hung themselves later with the powercord of said 3D tv

Only VR that looks promising are those high tech maze/arena lazertag VR centers that one company is making. The Void I think it's called. Fuck this rotting in your chair shit. Gonna hurt your neck sitting with some faggy Rift for hours.

>>322920026
>not getting one of the unsold first iterations for 50 bucks in 2 years when the company goes bust
Fuck off.

>>322919872
its relevant to the case he's making because most people only use 1080@60, granted he should have been clearer and said 1080@60 and 1200@90 but its still toward the point that its more gpu intensive

>>322920197
>comparing a 3d tv to vr

kek

>>322920279
Enjoy your flickering while you fuck your waifu.

Getting mine for free. Don't care.

>>322920342
>comparing literally the same shit with eachother

yes cockslap, that is how comparisons work.

>>322919876
He's from Newcastle, you can hear it in his voice when he goes off on one you fucking moron. Not everyone from Newcastle speaks like a raji like

Is this like the holodecks? No? Then it's no more virtual reality than sitting behind your PlayStation.

HOW FUCKING FUNNY ARE ALL THE EUROKEKS THAT ARE WHINING ABOUT THE PRICE COSTING MORE THAN THE US

>Knows he is going to die soon
>Wastes his life talking about toys for children and manchildren

>>322920417
How?

>>322913628
I don't give a shit who this retard is, but really, you can bet he got one free for writing this bullshit.

>>322920521
Well, visually it feels like you're there. So it tricks at least one more of your senses.

>>322920464
a 3D TV doesnt allow you to get immersed in its world does it?

boom, you lost loser. Kill yourself

is he gonna live to see the oculus get released?

>>322920636
it costs more to push the electricity across the ocean so you have to pay more

>>322920673
>knows he is going to die at some point
>wastes his like posting on a anime imageboard for children and manchildren

I'm pretty sure I remember the Occulus people talking about it being reasonably cheap at launch and in the long run potentially even free,

They dug that "hole" themselves, so the position TB writes from is sort of laughable.
I mean, it's going to sell like crazy anyway, so why does he even feel invited to write rubbish like that?

>>322920716
Kickstarter backers get it for free.

600$ sounds cheap, I expected something between 1000-2000

>>322913628
>75 and 90fps
Wait, what the fuck? It doesn't even go up to 120fps?

>>322920782
You mean DK1? That train long gone,

>>322913628
Of course he's right. He almost always is.

Except that time he called SOMA pewdiebait.

>>322920880
SOMA was absolute dogshit.

>>322914341
>instead of waving your arms around or craning your neck around.

So... basically real life is a gimmick to you?

Because that's what real life is, moving your neck and arms to explore your environment.

The real "gimmick" are video game controllers. It's just that it's been the only gimmick in town (besides mouse and keyboard) that you accept it as the norm.

>>322920874
No, oculus is giving all 7500 people who got a DK1 the consumer version for free. Google it. Hell, just check the Kickstarter page.

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The only people complaining are poorfags, NEETS and literal children.

AKA people who do not matter.

>>322919839
Can you unplug the rift and keep playing the same games with keyboard and mouse?

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>>322920964
>The real "gimmick" are video game controllers. It's just that it's been the only gimmick in town (besides mouse and keyboard) that you accept it as the norm.
What?

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>>322913628
The damage control is real. Not surprising though, cuckerberg has the money to employ a ton of shills, even "big" names in gaming. Honestly I didn't expect anything else than a ripoff after facebook took this over, we had a day dedicated to the loss of the rift for a reason. Facebooks damage controlfags wont change this that that was a part of /v/'s history and actually happened. They wont convince anyone who knew was rift was before the buyout that this isn't bullshit, not even with carmack onboard.

>>322920957
That's beside the point, idiot.

>Scam
>gimmick
Daily reminder to disregard posters who use these words

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>>322920964
This is the saddest attempt at damage control I've seen yet. Calling traditional controllers a gimmick HAHAHAHA. Did zuckerberg write that one for your marketing firm himself?

>>322920756
yeah, it does.

Or rather, did.

Its a shitty gimmick, like all 3D.

VR is nothing but 2 screens taped to your face, creating the same 3D effect a 3DS does, but much higher quality.

AKA its a shit gimmick that will die out fast.

>>322915095

>Strapping the autism crown your head, watching cartoons, and fucking silicone.
>"VR."

Yes, it's practically reality. You won't be able to tell the difference. That other faggot was retarded, but so are you and anyone that talks about Oculus and the "merits of VR" while keeping a straight face.

https://strawpoll.me/6467256/

https://strawpoll.me/6467256/

https://strawpoll.me/6467256/

>>322920026
>porn
You mean roleplaying and gentle femdom?

Now you'll be able to experience getting fucked in the ass in the comfort of your own home.

>>322913628
A TV is not an autistic device designed to ruin your life. VR is like buying one of those human like sex dolls, expensive, gimmicky, you can only use it alone and if anybody else sees it, you can say goodbye to whatever is left of your sad life.

dis guy still alive?

>>322921681
REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>322921659
You can already experience getting fucked in the ass in the comfort of your own home.

>>322915170
As long as you have to wear fucking goggles or a helmet or whatever it is and always will be a gimmick. Just like 3D gaming was.

>>322913628
Of course he doesn't care about wasting money.
You can't take it with you.

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>>322913628
Yes, yes. TB is always right! Of course it wasn't going to be "cheap"! "Cheap" implies not worth it!

What are you all, poor?

>all these ludites crying vr is just a gimmick and won't go anywhere
>mfw all they're doing is trying to justify being poor
>meanwhile everyone else will be enjoying exploring 3D environments in a way a regular monitor can't compare to
That's what you get for being garbage and living on autismbux :^) eating shit while real people enjoy the finer things in life

>>322921681
Sounds like a good deal then.

>>322913628
Hate to admit it. TB is right on this. I was never that hyped for OR anyway so i can just as well wait another 10 years to buy one.

>>322921826
>>322921986
I'm not even a normie. You have problems.

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>>322921974
Before posting le sneaky hebrew first answer how much did you spend on your monitor
If you spent more than $300 you have no right to complain about the oculus costing more than that

I never cared for it myself. I just don't think I'll ever want to regularly play video games with something strapped to my face. I barely even use my over-the-ear headphones and I can't stand wearing glasses unless they are very light. Maybe if I tried it I might be convinced, but 3D movies didn't do it for me either.

>>322921980
>VR isnt a gimmick

I've hear that before. When 3D tvs were released.

Do everyone a favor and hang yourself with the rift cables.

>>322916094
>property of Naughty Dog
wait, what?
This is almost literally a rip-off of a 18th century romantic painting. I can't remember its name though

>>322922185
Sounds like you have the problems which are being poor and being a normie.

>>322916094
>>322919773
"I-It's not a gimmick! WERE 3D GAMES A GIMMICK? ARE GAMES A GIMMICK? MAYBE YOU JUST DON'T LIKE GAMES AT ALL DO YOU?"

All this salty damage control

>>322915990

And it did.

>>322922216
>a=X
>thus b=x

>>322922185
Thanks for caring about me but why should I give a shit what you think?

>>322921518
Not even close dude.

>shilling on his deathbed

>>322916052

So can he.

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>>322922190
> This backfire

Why in gods name would I spend more than 300 on a mere computer monitor? Monitors are incredibly inexpensive these days. You can even get 1440p and 120fps monitors for less than 300 dollars.

>>322913628
VR needs to be more inclusive.

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>>322913628

That's nice but at that bar for entrywhat kind of nimrod is ever going to develop software with VR in mind until it is mass market?

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>>322922620
>You can even get 1440p and 120fps monitors for less than 300 dollars.

Show me nigga, I need to upgrade my 19' 720p monitor. Seriously.

The only problem I have with the price tag is realizing I have a 5 year old CPU and have to upgrade it, so I'll need to buy a new mobo and new ram sticks as well, which will total about $600.

So...
Yeah.

>>322922536
Literally
the
same
thing
you
sad
little
sausage

Except the 3D tv wasnt strapped into an enclosure taped to your face.

dumb consolefags are going to kill something amazing because they're afraid of spending money

jesus fuck, fuck consolefags. you're killing gaming more than ever.

>>322914341
>I think VR has a place to possibly replace the TV/monitor for more immersive experiences

Yeah just like 3D TVs did it, right?

>>322922782
This is going to be a massive wakeup for all those people who know nothing about computers, they're gonna blow 600 dollars and not understand why it doesn't work on their PC

>>322914216
>mass producing something with the backup of Facebook actually costs more than 3D printing stuff.

Don't think so.

I'm not bothering to read that but I do think anyone that thought VR wouldn't be fucktarded expensive is a moron.

that said I think people who care about VR at all are morons since it seems more like a wiimote than a DS touchscreen to me.

>>322922683
No one.
This is the same problem devs kept bringing up concerning the PS4 VR headset.

They kept telling Sony no one would support this because they either would

A) have to make their games look like even more shit because PS4 cant handle processing VR at that quality

B) it would segregate the consumers, and which dev in their right minds would make a game for a niche base that actually owns the headset, when they can make a game that everyone can use.

>>322922919
>Box Office: 'Star Wars: Force Awakens' Passes 'Avatar' Today To Be Top Grosser Of All Time
>The other was the success of the film in 3D, IMAX, and premium-large-format theaters. Disney attributes a full 47 percent of the film's gross to 3D ticket sales and 21 percent to IMAX and other large-format sales.

>>322922770
Do some research, dipshit. Newegg, Tiger Direct, even fucking Amazon

>>322922885
Nope

>>322923272
Just fucking show me motherfucker.

>>322922896
>Consolefags killing a shitty gimmick and savign gaming once again.

You're welcome mustards. Dont forget to thank us for witcher 3, and the fact that you get any games at all that arent just indie shits.

>>322915762
I single-handedly developed the optical head tracking part of an eye tracker at our company, the stuff they do at oculus is 10+ years old (similar to pretty much every commercial product)

>>322923360
Yep, but feel free to keep living in The Nile.

God you defence force shits are so sad.

>>322922770
For 1440p search QNIX monitors. Koreans monitors are cheap and fairly high quality (but the stands suck).

Lots of 120hz and 144hz monitor on amazon below 300. ASUS VG248QE 24" is 280. Getting close to 300 though. There are a few others less I think though.

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>Strapping speakers to your head

>>322923586
Sorry, you're wrong.

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>>322922770
It's okay. Color gamut is p. bad though. Probably the cheapest 144Hz 1080p display there is, though.

>>322923730
You can keep believing what you want.

3D tv defence force fags said the same thing.

Just know that the world is laughing at your idiocy right now.

>>322923417
>show me

144hz
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B2HH7G0/ref=psdc_1292115011_t3_B007HSKSMI

1440p
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4JH2CA3490&cm_re=qnix-_-9SIA4JH2CA3490-_-Product

Jewckerberg probably thinks he can sell this shit with a profit.
Clearly he didn't see what happened with the PS3 when it launched with that price.

>>322923878
No they didn't.

>>322913628
>QLOL I DONT NO WHERE PEOPLE GOT THE IT EADA IT WOULD BE CHEEP XD

maybe from the occ rift devs who continuously said it would be in the 300 to 400 dollar rage for the past 4 years you cancerous fuck.

Wouldn't strapping a screen right in front of your eyes cause pretty bad eye damage over time?

>>322923417
You think people just have links on hand? I sure don't.
Protip: you can narrow searches on websites with parameters like resolution, size, refresh rate, price... Pretty simple shit man

>>322913628

For a guy dying of cancer he sure likes to input his opinion on everything.

>>322913628
Of course he buys it now. He will be dead once CV2 ships

the cancer ridden britbong is actually right for once

if you think $600 is too expensive you probably don't even have a computer than can run most newer games 1440p 60+ fps, 1080p 90+ fps.

get fucked poorfags.

>>322924050
From the replies here, and the fact that he literally makes his living off of his own opinions, it makes sense that he would voice his opinions on everything.

why is it that ecelebs like Jon and TB feel the need to input their shit opinions whenever "drama" happens

i dont understand
how do they get that egotistical where they act as if the industry requires their opinions before moving forward

>>322924021
They actually said the opposite of that, for like the last 2 years they've been saying it was going to be more expensive at launch.

While of you are complaining I've received mine and am actually, literally voice to texting as I enjoy digital perfection in the form of a woman. Flawless technology.

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>>322924025
It's just light entering the eyes.

>>322924307
better question is why are you so insecure that people sharing their opinions on a large forum automatically looks egotistical to you.

>>322923546
You're a liar. That tech hasn't been industrialized nor commercialized until 3 years ago with a breakthrough in [censored] from [censored] corporation.

Asscancer would have given the same smug answer if it ended up costing a thousand.

>W-well of course it's a thousand dollars! This is cutting edge technology!

Remember another piece of technology that costed $599, had no games for awhile, and was primarily used for porn?

>>322913628

He's going to be dead before VR becomes big or usable why does he care?

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>>322913628
>TotalAssCancer got paid a good sum of money by Zuckerkike and his Facebook lackeys so he can $hill for it
you took the bait. Watch how the entire video game "journalist" ensemble is going to suck its dick too and defend the $599+1 pricetag because those too will be in Facebook's marketing pockets soon or already are.

>>322924753
It ended up being the greatest console of it's time, and is still alive and used today.

>>322924913
i think the install base of facebook has enough people that they dont need dead shills

>>322922451
Please explain how the rift is not a gimmick.

>>322925152
video games themselves are gimmicks
fuck off, retard
There's nothing wrong with being a gimmick when it comes to the entertainment industry, the entire fucking point of it is gimmicks

I can't wait for all the reviews of people complaining their Farmville machines can't run this.

>>322924953
All it took was just over half a decade!

I'll see you all in 2022 when VR doesn't suck ass.

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>>322913628
That's retarded though.

Sure, you need an expensive computer to use it to its full extent, but then that expensive computer is going to cost next to nothing two years from now, and everyone will have one.

And how much will the Oculus cost by then? You can be it'll still be $600.

When Crysis was originally released, it didn't cost $600.

>>322924025
The lenses are meant to trick your eyes into focusing at a safe distance or something. I haven't been keeping up with this shit at all though so don't take my word for it.

>>322913628
>two modes
>75 and 90 fps

what the fuck?
wheres my 100+?
do these things have built in vsync or some shit?

>>322925046
>refering to normiescum to do the $hilling for some obscure, niche waifu simulator wanting neckbeard basement dwelling audience

Stupid fuck. Gb2 Reddit/Tumblr/Facebook.

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>>322925394

>>322913628
ITT: Butthurt poorfags
>I can't afford muh waifu simulator
ohiamlaffin
upset your parents won't buy you one or you don't collect enough from welfare

>>322924953
Sure. And VR will be the same way. In time.

Just don't be the moron who wasted $600 to wait for games and porn.

>>322914915
But "early adopters" aren't just this fixed group of people. There would have been a hell of a lot more "early adopters" if the price was lower.

I can see already the vicious cycle of hardware being too expensive, causing a loss of install base, causing a loss in software purchasing, causing devs to not make games for VR that Sony and every other video game console maker has found themselves in at some point.

>>322925953
>implying people won't assume it's plug and play

>>322925953
Your point? People are stupid, anon. Especially the Facebook crowd.

>>322925361
That is quite the emotional response you gave me there, faggot.

>He's right.
No shit, he's always right

>>322926542
Except for when he thought he was in remission.

>>322921518
looks like someone hasn't tried any VR
keep being salty it is out of your price range poor fag

ITS A FUCKING HEADSET.
YOU ARE GOING TO BE SITTING IN A CHAIR WITH A FUCKING HILARIOUS HEADSET ON YOUR HEAD, THAT YOU PAID $600 FOR, TOUCHING INVISIBLE TITS LIKE A SLACK JAWED RETARD, AND YOU ARE GOING TO SAY THAT THAT ISN'T A GIMMICK? AT ALL?

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?

>>322928110
don't e-yell

>>322913628
>instead of buying 600 on rift maybe u shud upragade ur pc
fucking pc cucks everyone

>>322913628
Not like he'll live to see it

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>>322913628
>dunno where people got the impression it was going to be cheap

>>322928110
>vr
>chair
Nah man, you'll be standing and you are going to need to empty out your entire living room.

>>322928683


He also says in the exact same paragraph that prices are subject to change.

>literally retarded

release it already so we can get this over with

I don't even get why they wait so long, it doesn't matter if they release it now or 5 years later, it will still be total garbage unless they release it 20 years later when technology is there

give us one reason why they are waiting and not releasing their waifu faggot simulator already?

>>322929010
>Arghrghrgh I love choking on cocks.

anon, that is personal information we don't need to know that about you.

>>322929010
There's a difference between changing prices and bumping up the maximum price by the minimum price

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He's a fucking idiot.

The $600 cost is ridiculous because Luckey said it would be $350 ballpark.

The European fees are because of taxes and not extra costs added by Oculus.

He got it completely backwards.

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>300 dollarydoos
I maybe would've bought it
>600 Obama fun coupons
No.

>>322916026
I want it to be just like my Japanese animes
seriously, I've spent 25 years of my life ruining my body with vidya and caffeine. I don't want to start being physical just for muh immersion

I feel like gimmick has become just a buzzword on /v/. People are using it to describe literally anything now, it's completely meaningless.

>nobody will buy this platform because it has no game because nobody will buy this platform because it has no games because
How haven't companies figured this out?

>>322930816
Except it is perfectly accurate in this case. Show me a game that I can play on Oculus rift that I can't play with a mouse and keyboard.

inb4 "hurrr sound is a gimmick color is a gimmick" both of those things can be used to give you information that you can need to play the game. Your neck muscles replacing alt+mouse or one thumbstick is a gimmick. You can take it away and still play the game exactly the same.

>>322917247
Besides, for that price the hard disk is built like a tank.
The oculus rift, as a facebook product, already has planned obsolesce build in. Just long enough that everyone, his dog and his mother wants one after the initial reviews

That's like saying frames per second, resolution or aspect ratio is a gimmick. Just because you CAN play pretty much any game in 30 fps, or 480p doesn't mean that's as far as tech should develop. The whole point of VR is to improve your experience/give you a unique experience, just like upgrading your monitor/GPU can give you a better experience. It's not a gimmick to improve quality of experience, just ask literally anyone who's actually used one.

>>322915685
its weird seeing carmack at FB
it's like Id never happened...

>>322932414
Meant for this>>322931580

>it's not a gimmick like 3D

That's actually exactly what it is.

>>322917434
the FUCK are you talking about?
GET OFF THIS BOARD NOW, FUCKING CHILD!

>>322919705
And? Pixel fill rate is nothing for modern cards, I can render 1440p at 60 fps with my 750ti.

>>322932697
Except 3d arguably isn't even really a gimmick given how many movie are still released in 3d and still making money. 3DTV would be a better argument, but that's mainly a price vs. content issue, whereas tons of games are already being developed for VR

>>322916841
>HURR DURR MY MONITOR COSTS MORE THAN THIS.
>Okay? So what? You're a fucking neglegible outlier.
He explains his own point in the fucking image.

The Rift is comparable to a high end monitor in terms of resolution and frame rate. It's also comparable in price. The Rift isn't particularly expensive for what it is.

Hell, he even mentions that he's an outlier. The people who want to be early adopters of VR tech and are willing to pay for it are all outliers, just like with any new tech.

>>322913628
>Jontron calling oculus "cutting edge"
>Totalcancerass saying the same thing

My shilling sense are tingling, fucking e-celeb giving their 2 cent like its matter when they are probably paid to shill the product

>>322933236
3D is a fad that goes in and out of vogue. 3D movies make money because people going to see a 12 dollar movie are willing to pay an extra 3 or 4 bucks to see it in 3D since they only go a few times a year and they are probably taking their kids anyway.

Actual 3dtvs sold about how the oculus rift will sell. It's a neat little toy for people with more spending money than common sense but the idea that it's going to change design paradigms for the medium is fucking dumb. It's a screen glued to your face.

I probably can't afford this, but has anyone tried the Samsung one? have an S6 and $99 isn't too bad, even if it's just ok.

Why is the word gimmick universally used as a negative?

>>322916775
pretty much this. I don't see the excitement about this.

It's just gonna be the same games we have now anyway.

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Would have paid $500 if it didn't have the shitty headphones and xbone controller, neither of which I need.

So are graphic adventures and point and click games going to make a comeback?

>>322913628
You can't convince a large audience with a very costy object. If there are no consumers for alternate ways of playing, there will be no games. It will stay one accessories never reaching its full potential, just like wheel/Pedals on racing games.

tl;dr it is already dead before being even out.

>>322932558
Someone claimed it wasn't a gimmick and I simply pointed out that it was. You seem to be in agreement with me on that point.

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>>322929763
It's not tho.
Just by changing the country to UK it jumps up to 500 pounds, which is 720 dollars, pre tax and shipping.

>>322934310
Except I'm not in agreement with you at all.

>>322934003
Because people don't generally like spending large sums of money on trivial things?

>>322934003
gimmick := non-substantial + not-what-we-are-here-for

>>322917661
>You can't look without aiming in most games
Why the fuck would you want to aim a different place than what you're looking? In what scenario would that be useful in gaming?

>>322933910
get a google cardboard.

>>322933910
you'll use it twice then never touch it again

Is there any games where VR will be used in a non-on rails game that isn't Star Citizen/Elite?

I still feel that games will be using it for gimmicky shit for a long time, and that it will require too much area space to be used in expansive games.

>>322934003
Because these products are talked about as if they're revolutionizing our very existence.

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>>322914874
severely underrated post

y cant this man JUST die silently?

hasnt he made a fool of himself enough?

>>322916374
Guys, guys, $350 IS similar to $600.

>>322934470
A comfortable chair improves your gaming experience. You're just making vague statements of nothing. If I can unplug it and still play the same games then it's not a technological revolution.

>>322925794
Crysis also wasn't a piece of hardware with hi-res screens and head tracking.

>>322934629
It's useful in flight sims and that's about it. Something you can use your mouse for with one key modifier.

>>322925953
The sort of people buying a 600 vr headset are going to be aware that its not plug and play

>>322929763
Consoles were worth the same in euros as they were in dollars, so it should be 600 euros.

>>322913628

>ITS BRAND NEW TECH
>AND THAT JUSTIFIES THE PRICE
>BUT IT PROBABLY WONT WORK

what the fuck?

>prices need to be justified

You fags need to into capitalism

>>322915629
this

if one is on /v/, they're obviously not:
>playing games
>doing anything productive
>in touch with reality

$600 ain't shit to anyone besides kids and poor fags. I'm on the poor side right now but I could easily cut down on expenses and save up

The fact that it has anything to do with Facebook is what worries me. I figure once it's worn once, your face is on profile.

>>322936074
Shareholders tend to appreciate you justifying your business decisions.

>>322915629
People trade in phones or get on contracts for that kind of hardware. Its not 800 upfront.

>>322936223
>$600 ain't shit to anyone besides kids and poor fags.
I could afford a rift, a $600 4k TV or an iphone. Doesn't mean it's worth paying that much for them.

>>322913628
Damn hes so desperate to feel himself alive.

Arnt HTC making a headset in collaboration with valve? That is going to be the Porno Xtreme™ headset. I am waiting for that one before I buy anything.

>>322936583
This. What games are people going to play on this? On rail shooters like old arcade games, or Elite Dangerous/Star Citizen where you sit in a cockpit and fly around?

I'm not annoyed it's $600 I'm annoyed Palmer said it was going to be around $400.

>>322936559
I paid €650 upfront for a phone and as a result saved a lot of money.

>>322936240
Well, that's easy: They can demand that price at the start while still selling a fuckton.
I think the shareholders would agree with that thinking.

>>322936880
This. These same fags talking about how nobody should be surprised at the price were the ones saying it was only going to get more affordable as time went on.

>>322937025
We are talking about average consumers. Average consumers see a contract and think its a good idea to jump on board for a few years with the potential to trade up.

>>322937569
Yeah but that costs way more for way less. Its essentially a really bad credit deal that you get locked into.

>$599
fucking called it
was hoping for $499 though, and had a vague, optimistic hope of $399
>tfw no one buys this because of the cost

also, didn't read, fuck that noise

>>322914883
no idea how anyone got that
Gear VR, a device with no screen built in (your phone slots in) and is on the market RIGHT NOW, costs $100.
it does have its own accelerometers and shit though, it's not just a $100 frame for your phone, but it's still more expensive than it probably should be

I'm still wondering where some of the Rift cost is coming from though. You have the screens, the optics, the sensors, and what else? What the hell is bringing it to $599, weren't they selling these at a loss? Aren't just about all the components in the thing pretty much phone tech with some major R&D behind it?

>>322933854
it's a screen glued to your face that makes it seem like you're somewhere else

>>322933779
isn't that literally true in JonTron's case, didn't he sell out

>>322923878
I don't remember any defense force for 3D TVs.
fuck, I don't know anyone who even thought twice about them, they were expensive, the effect was relatively unimpressive for the most part, and you couldn't really do much with them

>>322936223
With $600, I could go and build a fairly decent machine with that kind of money. For a single purchase, that is a decent chunk of change.

>>322915629
>$800 phone
people generally buy things like that on contracts or with payment plans
sure, they're spending more in the long run, but people at large generally don't think like that, $30-50 a month is just another bill, while $600 in one go seems like a ton of money because they don't save

>an accessory costing about as much as a PS3 on launch

Surely this won't fail, fellow jude

Bain?

Is it just me or wouldn't prices be lower if they didn't give out fuckin free ones to the ones who already got what they paid for with the DK1?

>>322938730
Then you are required to buy software aka games to enjoy unless you own some of the few games that have prepared for VR already.

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600 $ sounds about right to me. I just don't know if thats a good price for the resolution. I talked to one of the guys that works at a game store near me who got a dev kit, and he said " Don't get one that displays in 1080", because there's a lot of little black gaps that you can still see when the resolution is that low. i would defiantly need to try it before i buy it though.

>>322938925
MFW I get one for free for kickstarting
feels great bro

>>322913628
I agree with everything he said. Sound like he has a PC build similar of mine. Same monitor, probably bought 2x980TIs to run everything at 1440p@144hz, just as I intended.

However, I refuse to purchase or support anything that Facebook has put it's filthy, slimy, corrupt hands into or on.

>>322935292
>1 game

Sure worth the $600 dollars price tag

>>322939029
It does. I hope they ship in February or even January so we can use them weeks before anyone who paid for them.

>$100 to produce
>sell for $600
the fucking jew zuckerberg is behind it

>>322939029
>>322939478
I was a young poorfag when it was first announced and watched with wonder wanting to get one. Feelsbadman. Makes me salty

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>>322913628
I'm getting a UHD@120 + variable-sync monitor at the end of the year, and a Pascal or Fury 2 this summer/fall to power it.

That's 8.29MP/frame and upwards of 995MP/s.

Even if the Rift is stuck at 2160x1200, it's stupid for them to release something that can't even consume the full bandwidth of HDMI 1.4, much less HDMI 2.0, DP 1.2 or DP 1.3.

I could tolerate the shit resolution if this thing went to 144 Hz or beyond.