>Suspender isn't high and tight for support
>Wrists awkardly angled
>Muscles not as defined
>Huge pockets for some reason
>Upper torso thinner
They can't keep getting away with this.
Dissidia one is closer to his FF7 body while Smash looks like some plastic toy with completely off proportions?
I think a lot of it had to do with the fact that back then there was a big 80s shonen influence in the design. Now I know this game was released in the 90s, but you could still see that influence in a lot of games. Everything looked like it was designed by Akira Toriyama.
What the fuck are you on about you retard? The style is MILES ahead of what it used to be, save for the retarded looking Barret.
Im actually laughing my ass off that SJWs had a problem with the portrayl of women in Miss Pacman (Its a fucking circle with a bow on its head) and found a reason to bitch about how stereotypical the "brown" people in CS:GO are but for some reason have NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER with 80's barret in the remake.
I don't quite know what you're trying to show here.
Left looks more classic, with a colour pallet closer to the ps original, and was rendered in sm4sh's style, that all the characters have so he didn't look too out of place.
The right is what he's supposed to actually look like.
Those aren't features exclusive to cyberpunk, they're general punk features, there's nothing cyber about FFVII, their technology is pretty industrial, it's a mostly dieselpunk game mixed with fantasy magic.
There is a magnet keeping it in place
What's cyber about it? Where's the augments? Where's the technology? Are those engines meant to be cyber? That's a bit of a stretch at best.
FFVII simply doesn't have much cyber to label it as cyberpunk, it pretty much has none. Maybe the remake adds some more in with the more detail it adds but until then it's just not cyber.
Do you mean it was wrong giving him to Nintendo where the 5 year olds are guaranteed to have not played FF7 and they won't play the remake either because it won't come to the kiddie console?
I don't think I agree. I mean, if they pay the no doubt exorbitant price for the license, why not take advantage of it.
Midgar is cyberpunk as fuck. Only it's more of the 80/90s conception of it, where the key influences are stuff like Blade Runner.
>Common themes include advanced science and technology like artificial intelligence and cybernetics, powerful megacorporations, and a decay of or radical change in the social order.
Midgar checks 4 out of 4 boxes here.
>Where's the technology?
Shinra corp mako reactor, those massive sleek skyscrapers in the back
It's a reactor harnessing the planets energy, how the fuck isn't that technology? It looks like something straight out of Blade Runner and there is mechs and shit too.
FF7 is a mix of Dieselpunk, Cyberpunk, urban fantasy and sci-fi
Because he's holding it up in that pic.
I definitely wouldn't call Midgar Dieselpunk. The industrial feeling is a genre influence that's very much present in cyberpunk. The key difference and what makes Dieselpunk is the firmly Western 40s-50s sensibility. There's pretty much none of that in terms of architecture or character design in FFVII.
This, if you play Crisis Core there's a whole bunch of tech in the FFVII universe
Zack, Angeal, Genesis and Sephiroth used a VR room, there are mechs all over the place as stated, some other stuff I'm probably forgetting.
>Nintendo does a Sony character better than Sony
And nobody is surprised.
FF7 is very much a mix of dieselpunk, cyberpunk, urban fantasy and sci-fi
>like artificial intelligence and cybernetics
Literally where is this in FFVII?
That mech is completely Diselpunk, it's a more rugged and basic design. God just look up some images of Diselpunk and Cyberpunk and see the different for yourself. If that mech were cyberpunk it would be sleek and mobile.
Having some technology isn't exclusive to cyber, diesel also has it. The distinction is the aesthetics.
That's also firmly present in the original FFVII. We know the Shinra corp has a space program, and the first 2 bosses are both (presumably) autonomous mechs. FFVII has a firmly 90s conception of what futuristic technology should look like, but it's still very clearly futuristic. It reminds me a lot of 12 Monkeys.
Cloud isn't a Sony character, he's a Square character
And Nomura was involved in the Smash version
So this is cyber to you?
Repeating yourself doesn't further your point. Dieselpunk is definitely a stretch. The only things that really lend to that aesthetic are the destroyed cars and Cloud's suspenders (which is more of just a military look).
FF7 is a little too japanese to be dieselpunk.
>Dieselpunk is definitely a stretch.
No it isn't, Dieselpunk is an industrial feel with a 50s tone, FF7 cars and trucks are all 50s style cars and trucks and it is heavily industrial
FF7 is extremely dieselpunk, and it is mixed with urban fantasy, scifi and dieselpunk, stop being so fucking blind
Cyber doesn't mean looks like an apple product. Industrial looking cybernetics are very clearly inside the genre conventions. Not to mention shitty tech for the disenfranchised underclass is a genre trope.
>Cars and trucks are all 50s style
The motorcycles aren't, and none of the architecture is. Like I said, FF7 is way too japanese in its aesthetic to be dieselpunk. You're stretching hard here.
If it were dieselpunk, the robots would look like what we expected robots to look like in pulp novels, not stuff that looks like Ghost in the Shell. The Airship would look like more of a zeppelins and wouldn't have propellers.
Having cars that vaguely resemble 50s cars doesn't make a game dieselpunk you inbred fuck.
The difference is literally all aesthetic. What are you even talking about?
Diesel punk is retro-futuristic technology, and cyberpunk is high tech with low quality of life. If you seriously call that arm cyberpunk and not dieselpunk with a straight face then I'm done discussing this with a retarded brick wall.
Yes they are
Everything about it is Dieselpunk as fuck, the extreme industrial aspect all over the world, the architecture, the vehicles, etc.
You have no clue what Dieselpunk is do you?
I think the important thing to remember here is FFVII did in fact start out as something inspired by cyberpunk detective stories, it may be buried under a number of other influences and ideas but it's clearly still there since the presence of the Mega Corp Shinra vs the nigh-terrorist extremist rebel group is evident. There's also a clash comparison of class difference, and genetic manipulation which is the main reason the antagonist and protagonist even exist.
I've mentioned two major aspects of the game where it absolutely doesn't look diesel punk.
I'll list some more. The fucking architecture. You think the Shinra building looks like something out of a pulp magazine? How about the Shinra guard designs?
You've got one half-hearted argument, and you've yet to respond to 4 major aesthetic points where the game does everything not dieselpunk.
Do you actually know what the interwar period looked like aesthetically?
Like I said, the underclass working with shittier tech is a genre trope. And things looking like apple is a relatively new conception. By your idiotic logic, Alien should be some concept of Dieselpunk because the tech looks bulky. Watch fucking Blade Runner, probably the most influential piece of Cyberpunk out there, the tech isn't pretty. Sure there might be nice street signs (just like in FF7 mind you) but there's clearly bulky tech running throughout the city.
>I've mentioned two major aspects of the game where it absolutely doesn't look diesel punk.
You havn't been right on any of these things
The buildings all have the era down of Dieselpunk, the tech too, the shinra guards are the sci-fi aspect using futurustic scopes
Everything about the aesthetic is dieselpunk, and it is mixed with scifi, urban fantasy and cyberpunk
If you seriously think this looks like dieselpunk, then you're clearly retarded. And judging by your frequency of repeating that last line, I'm gonna guess you're also autistic in more a literal way than usual.
None of the buildings looks dieselpunk, except maybe the shanties, but they're shanties and that hasn't changed in the 100 fucking years that they've existed.
Different guy, shit looks more like diesel punk than Cyber Punk that is a fact. Sci fi does not mean cyberpunk, cyberpunk needs augs, neon lights, VRs and shit. If we're just going off ff7 and not CC it's straight up Dieselpunk for sure
>IT'S A MIX OF DIESELPUNK, SCIFI, URBAN FANTASY AND CYBERPUNK
Holy shit you really are autistic.
Maybe the part where the Dieselpunk aspect doesn't exist? I can actually guarantee you that American pulp was not at all on the mind of Sakaguchi when this was in development. In fact, the more I look at the cars, the more I get a sense that that was also firmly japanese based.
It absolutely isn't. Watch Blade Runner you incompetent fuck. Dieselpunk isn't just grime. Grime exists in Cyberpunk. What makes Dieselpunk a thing on it's own is the early 20th century design influence. In every way that matters, FF7 is firmly cyberpunk. You're letting the word cyber bias your judgement because you assume it means apple products look, but for the vast history of the genre that hasn't been true because tech has never looked like that.
The other dude is retarded, but you're just confused.
I've been saying it's a fucking mix of all four of things since the beginning right here >>322882771 you idiot
Except it objectively fucking does you blind faggot
It's a mix of Dieselpunk, Cyberpunk, urban fantasy and scifi
He is not a fucking designer and was barely involved in FF7, Nomura did the base story and created all the characters and Noara designed the setting, then Kitase and Nojima fleshed out the story and writing.
Sakaguchi was literallly just a producer and the only thing he contributed was the concept of the lifestream
Did any of your Niggas ever played Ehrgeiz? Is it any good?
Fallout isn't Diesel-punk itself, but that's what a game that's Diesel-punk would look like. The power armor is based on what people thought the natural evolution of heavily armored units would look like. The robots look like 40s movies designs.
The game itself isn't Diesel-punk, but the style it emulates very much is.
The big differences for me are that he's a little less bulky, which adds to the anime boy look and takes away from the military look and that his goddamn shoes no longer match his suspenders. (This is true for both of them.)
wut? he looks fucking spot on in the remake
Such a shame they included a nigger in the game in the first place
Now he has to be rendered in 1080p and I'll be forced to look at his detailed face
It was okay with the original but this is asking too much, it's like looking at sweaty ass Finn in a Stormtrooper costume
The fighting game portion of it was kinda eh.
They handled the fighters kind of interesting. Cloud's a fist fighter who pulls out his sword for silly range and damage.
The dungeon diving portion of it was the real game, damn fun.
It's just a ps1 iso, get it off emuparadise.
Would all of you clowns be whining and arguing this hard if Cloud looked like this in the remake?
Not everyone has to look like Whammu.
It makes I less unique and decent.
That's a nice ass but he should look fit and like a Super Soldier not an Aztec God of Fitness
FFVII is really hard to pin down because it seems to exist in a weird alternate version of the Industrial Revolution. Midgar is huge and a technological giant, but everywhere else seems to be a small town with medieval housing. But a lot of the more modern architecture in FFVII is blunt and practical, almost Soviet-like.
also should mention that Midgar actually does have aspects kept in it from when it used to be a collection of towns.
He looks good in the remake, like he is his FF7 version just in HD model now
The point of him having skinny muscles at the beginning is thematically correct to the lore of FF7
He literally just woke up from a 5 year coma, his muscles deteriorated and FF7 begins weeks after he woke up, no shit his muscles would by skinny
Obviously as the game goes on he will regain his muscle mass
The official FF7 Remake Cloud figure that Nomura supervised even shows him with bigger arms than he has in the trailer
Dieselpunk isn't even a real genre, it's just a shitty aesthetic that tries to pass off as deeper than it really is and has nothing to do with the "punk" part of its own name.
Just like Steampunk, really.
left looks like he's in that moment where you don't know whether or not you're going to do something, in this case swing that sword down your skull; he's 100% ready to kick ass
right looks like he's completely complacent and is simply hoping Tifa notices him
You mean the power of Nomura's direct input telling Nintendo what to do.
Not sure why people try to defend Lanky Cloud. He didn't JUST get out of the lab and crawl to Midgar. He was found by Tifa at the train station and likely rested and got fed for a while.
Feels good to use the advent childen cloud, just to trigger autists like this
He's based off the original VII anime style.
If they do that it would be fucking brilliant
Except yes really
Your image is fanart from a gaming magazine, not Nomura art or even official art.
The image here >>322899267 is Nomura art, and Nomura told Nintendo how to handle Cloud based on that art.
Cloud does not have big arm muscles in FF7, he only does in this Nomura artwork here >>322899267 and Smash because of that artwork is stuff Nomura did for Smash
I want to protect that smile
My text had nothing to do with the image, the image was for the lower posts quoted. Try again.
And now for serious and slightly more down to earth designed Cloud.
Smash Cloud is based on Nomura's art here >>322899267
Not on the fucking FF7 Cloud, not only is it using the belt and hilt design from here >>322899267 but it's also the only time Cloud has ever been depicted with big muscles, and in Smash Cloud has big muscles like in that pic
Smash Cloud is not based on FF7 Cloud, it's based on Nomura's artwork here >>322899267
His clothes are black.
>only time Cloud has ever been depicted with big muscles
4th illustration here >>322881253 shows otherwise. His final design CG render is also slightly more muscular than the illustration which implies they went so far as to decide to beef him up for the higher quality depiction.
That is concept art and was never used in the game, it was a scrapped design
FF7 Cloud never had muscles, he had skinny arms
His FF7 CG render had skinny muscles exactly the same too
Cloud has ever only had big muscles here >>322899267 in the Nomura Smash artwork, and that is what the Smash version of Cloud is based on, his arm muscles, his belt design, his glove design too being fingerless
I'd get into it, but you're just going to keep ignoring the obvious.
His bicep, pectoral and deltoid muscle are considerably more defined in his CG render compared to the thinner Nomura illustration
His FF7 design looks nothing like his Smash version you blind fuck
Holy fucking shit
His belt has a white thick outline around the entire thing
His Smash Nomura art does not and instead has seams sewn into it
His gloves are fingerless in the Smash version, they have wraps on his FF7 version
His arm biceps are massive and built in the Smash Nomura art
In FF7 they are skinny and slender, both in the CG and in the artwork