What went wrong?

your mom

>>322880307
Looks like the proportions changed, and hes got a different color palette. The fuck do you think. Look carefully my friend. Also different stylistic decisions.

>>322880307
>Suspender isn't high and tight for support
>Wrists awkardly angled
>Muscles not as defined
>Huge pockets for some reason
>Upper torso thinner
They can't keep getting away with this.

>>322880307
His hair is too yellow on the left. He isn't a super sayain. Is that a fan interpretation of what he would look like in a Wreck it Ralph?

Time progressed

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>>322880307
Dissidia one is closer to his FF7 body while Smash looks like some plastic toy with completely off proportions?

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>>322880307
Ninten does what Sony wont

>>322880307
Motherfucker looks almost identical. What the fuck are you complaining about you autistic sperglord?

>>322881253
Agree
Dissidia cloud was the best one

>>322881390
Fat Megaman alone would wreck their shit so hard. He's op
Also no sony.

>>322880307
He stopped lifting.
Seriously, homie lost some mad gains in the transition to the second pic

>>322881625
Dissidia 3 Cloud was revealed before Smash Cloud

>>322881625
I think a lot of it had to do with the fact that back then there was a big 80s shonen influence in the design. Now I know this game was released in the 90s, but you could still see that influence in a lot of games. Everything looked like it was designed by Akira Toriyama.

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>>322880307

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>>322880307
WE BLONDE SORA NAO

>>322881390

You mean Bamco and Capcom, SFxT was released for 360 and PS3, it had nothing to do with Sony.

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>>322880307
What the fuck are you on about you retard? The style is MILES ahead of what it used to be, save for the retarded looking Barret.

>>322880337
you're probably very boring in real life

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>>322882117
This.


Im actually laughing my ass off that SJWs had a problem with the portrayl of women in Miss Pacman (Its a fucking circle with a bow on its head) and found a reason to bitch about how stereotypical the "brown" people in CS:GO are but for some reason have NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER with 80's barret in the remake.

>>322882382
He looks exactly the same as his old design just now with shades on, it fits the cyberpunk feel of the game

>>322880307
I don't quite know what you're trying to show here.
Left looks more classic, with a colour pallet closer to the ps original, and was rendered in sm4sh's style, that all the characters have so he didn't look too out of place.
The right is what he's supposed to actually look like.

>>322882382
Barret looks fucking boss. I don't see the problem.

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>>322882443
>cyberpunk
>FFVII

>>322882641
Midgar was pretty cyberpunkish.
Slums, Highways, Corrupt organisation, machinery and the general tone of the place.

>>322882641
Yes FF7 was a mix of Dieselpunk, urban fantasy, sci-fi and cyberpunk

>>322882748
Those aren't features exclusive to cyberpunk, they're general punk features, there's nothing cyber about FFVII, their technology is pretty industrial, it's a mostly dieselpunk game mixed with fantasy magic.

>>322881253
All the characters in smash are toys. That's the storyline or something

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>>322882918
See >>322882771

>>322880307
HES NOT EVEN RESTING THE SWORD ON HIS SHOULDER. THIS POSE LOOKS UNCOMFORTABLE AS FUCK.

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>>322883124
There is a magnet keeping it in place

>>322883057
What's cyber about it? Where's the augments? Where's the technology? Are those engines meant to be cyber? That's a bit of a stretch at best.

FFVII simply doesn't have much cyber to label it as cyberpunk, it pretty much has none. Maybe the remake adds some more in with the more detail it adds but until then it's just not cyber.

Do you mean it was wrong giving him to Nintendo where the 5 year olds are guaranteed to have not played FF7 and they won't play the remake either because it won't come to the kiddie console?

I don't think I agree. I mean, if they pay the no doubt exorbitant price for the license, why not take advantage of it.

>>322883280
yeah but the sword doesn't even touch the magnet in the second pic.

>>322882918
Midgar is cyberpunk as fuck. Only it's more of the 80/90s conception of it, where the key influences are stuff like Blade Runner.

>Common themes include advanced science and technology like artificial intelligence and cybernetics, powerful megacorporations, and a decay of or radical change in the social order.
Midgar checks 4 out of 4 boxes here.

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>>322883320
>Where's the technology?
Shinra corp mako reactor, those massive sleek skyscrapers in the back

It's a reactor harnessing the planets energy, how the fuck isn't that technology? It looks like something straight out of Blade Runner and there is mechs and shit too.

FF7 is a mix of Dieselpunk, Cyberpunk, urban fantasy and sci-fi

>>322883280
how does he draw the sword then?

>>322880307
homosexuality

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>>322883424
Because he's holding it up in that pic.

no diference, looks like a fag in both pictures

>>322883469
To some people technology means blinking lights, levitation and holograms. Meanwhile VII is metallic and clunky, so it must be the stone age.

>>322883469
I definitely wouldn't call Midgar Dieselpunk. The industrial feeling is a genre influence that's very much present in cyberpunk. The key difference and what makes Dieselpunk is the firmly Western 40s-50s sensibility. There's pretty much none of that in terms of architecture or character design in FFVII.

>>322883543
uncomfy.

>>322881395
>Wondering why Cloud threads are autistic

Come on now

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>smashbabbys using advent children cloud
Truly sickens me.

>>322883469
This, if you play Crisis Core there's a whole bunch of tech in the FFVII universe

Zack, Angeal, Genesis and Sephiroth used a VR room, there are mechs all over the place as stated, some other stuff I'm probably forgetting.

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>>322880307
>Nintendo does a Sony character better than Sony
And nobody is surprised.

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>>322883679
FF7 is very much a mix of dieselpunk, cyberpunk, urban fantasy and sci-fi

>>322882057
The PS3 only characters might have had something to do with sony.

>>322883469
Why does it have a wheel

>>322883451
>like artificial intelligence and cybernetics

Literally where is this in FFVII?

>>322883469
That mech is completely Diselpunk, it's a more rugged and basic design. God just look up some images of Diselpunk and Cyberpunk and see the different for yourself. If that mech were cyberpunk it would be sleek and mobile.

Having some technology isn't exclusive to cyber, diesel also has it. The distinction is the aesthetics.

>>322883787
That's also firmly present in the original FFVII. We know the Shinra corp has a space program, and the first 2 bosses are both (presumably) autonomous mechs. FFVII has a firmly 90s conception of what futuristic technology should look like, but it's still very clearly futuristic. It reminds me a lot of 12 Monkeys.

>>322883883
Barret's arm. Autonomous mechas.

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>>322883798
Cloud isn't a Sony character, he's a Square character

And Nomura was involved in the Smash version

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>>322883883

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>>322884043
So this is cyber to you?

>>322883824
Repeating yourself doesn't further your point. Dieselpunk is definitely a stretch. The only things that really lend to that aesthetic are the destroyed cars and Cloud's suspenders (which is more of just a military look).

FF7 is a little too japanese to be dieselpunk.

VII doesn't come off as very futuristic to me. You got (fairly simple) robots and genetically altered children but otherwise it's really just an exaggerated and vision of reality.

>>322884138
>Dieselpunk is definitely a stretch.
No it isn't, Dieselpunk is an industrial feel with a 50s tone, FF7 cars and trucks are all 50s style cars and trucks and it is heavily industrial

FF7 is extremely dieselpunk, and it is mixed with urban fantasy, scifi and dieselpunk, stop being so fucking blind

>>322883798
Are you fucking blind ?

The nintendo design looks like an old washed up Toy.

>>322884137
Cyber doesn't mean looks like an apple product. Industrial looking cybernetics are very clearly inside the genre conventions. Not to mention shitty tech for the disenfranchised underclass is a genre trope.

>>322884228
>Cars and trucks are all 50s style
The motorcycles aren't, and none of the architecture is. Like I said, FF7 is way too japanese in its aesthetic to be dieselpunk. You're stretching hard here.

If it were dieselpunk, the robots would look like what we expected robots to look like in pulp novels, not stuff that looks like Ghost in the Shell. The Airship would look like more of a zeppelins and wouldn't have propellers.

Having cars that vaguely resemble 50s cars doesn't make a game dieselpunk you inbred fuck.

ITT: faggots who need a precice definition of design choices ending in "punk" to comprehend their to metaphorical drawers limited way of thinking.

You should drop the -punk argument and instead of obsessing over genre conventions, look at VII's aesthetical choices in the context of its own narrative.

>>322884252
The difference is literally all aesthetic. What are you even talking about?

Diesel punk is retro-futuristic technology, and cyberpunk is high tech with low quality of life. If you seriously call that arm cyberpunk and not dieselpunk with a straight face then I'm done discussing this with a retarded brick wall.

They finally got Cloud right (on the left)

See they can know what they're doing sometimes.

>>322884425
Yes they are

Everything about it is Dieselpunk as fuck, the extreme industrial aspect all over the world, the architecture, the vehicles, etc.

You have no clue what Dieselpunk is do you?

>>322884519
That's like saying you should analyze Game of Thrones without looking at how it does high fantasy. You're literally shutting out the entire canon of works that it's built on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberpunk

Whoa.

I think the important thing to remember here is FFVII did in fact start out as something inspired by cyberpunk detective stories, it may be buried under a number of other influences and ideas but it's clearly still there since the presence of the Mega Corp Shinra vs the nigh-terrorist extremist rebel group is evident. There's also a clash comparison of class difference, and genetic manipulation which is the main reason the antagonist and protagonist even exist.

>>322882141
Your mom is probably really boring

>>322884665
The genetic manipulation isn't technological, it's the earth magic which comes from the fantasy side of the setting.

>>322884813
You've never actually played the game, have you?

>>322884606
The flaw is comparing the work to a static and arbitrarily set category instead of other works.

>>322884605
I've mentioned two major aspects of the game where it absolutely doesn't look diesel punk.
I'll list some more. The fucking architecture. You think the Shinra building looks like something out of a pulp magazine? How about the Shinra guard designs?

You've got one half-hearted argument, and you've yet to respond to 4 major aesthetic points where the game does everything not dieselpunk.

Do you actually know what the interwar period looked like aesthetically?

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2015/12/06/final-fantasy-vii-39-s-director-talks-about-the-original-39-s-cyber-punk-roots-and-the-remake-39-s-combat.aspx?PageIndex=1

I don't' see anything wrong

>>322884548
Like I said, the underclass working with shittier tech is a genre trope. And things looking like apple is a relatively new conception. By your idiotic logic, Alien should be some concept of Dieselpunk because the tech looks bulky. Watch fucking Blade Runner, probably the most influential piece of Cyberpunk out there, the tech isn't pretty. Sure there might be nice street signs (just like in FF7 mind you) but there's clearly bulky tech running throughout the city.

>>322884945
>I've mentioned two major aspects of the game where it absolutely doesn't look diesel punk.
You havn't been right on any of these things

The buildings all have the era down of Dieselpunk, the tech too, the shinra guards are the sci-fi aspect using futurustic scopes

Everything about the aesthetic is dieselpunk, and it is mixed with scifi, urban fantasy and cyberpunk

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>>322885136
If you seriously think this looks like dieselpunk, then you're clearly retarded. And judging by your frequency of repeating that last line, I'm gonna guess you're also autistic in more a literal way than usual.

None of the buildings looks dieselpunk, except maybe the shanties, but they're shanties and that hasn't changed in the 100 fucking years that they've existed.

>>322885385
What part of IT'S A MIX OF DIESELPUNK, SCIFI, URBAN FANTASY AND CYBERPUNK DON'T YOU FUCKING GET?

>>322885475
>It's Dieselpunk not Cyberpunk
>It's a MIX of Dieselpunk and Cyberpunk
Dual post backpedal + goalpost drifting? That's high level.

>>322885385
Different guy, shit looks more like diesel punk than Cyber Punk that is a fact. Sci fi does not mean cyberpunk, cyberpunk needs augs, neon lights, VRs and shit. If we're just going off ff7 and not CC it's straight up Dieselpunk for sure

>>322885475
>IT'S A MIX OF DIESELPUNK, SCIFI, URBAN FANTASY AND CYBERPUNK
Holy shit you really are autistic.

Maybe the part where the Dieselpunk aspect doesn't exist? I can actually guarantee you that American pulp was not at all on the mind of Sakaguchi when this was in development. In fact, the more I look at the cars, the more I get a sense that that was also firmly japanese based.

Sasuga autist.

>>322885661
It absolutely isn't. Watch Blade Runner you incompetent fuck. Dieselpunk isn't just grime. Grime exists in Cyberpunk. What makes Dieselpunk a thing on it's own is the early 20th century design influence. In every way that matters, FF7 is firmly cyberpunk. You're letting the word cyber bias your judgement because you assume it means apple products look, but for the vast history of the genre that hasn't been true because tech has never looked like that.

The other dude is retarded, but you're just confused.

>>322885636
I've been saying it's a fucking mix of all four of things since the beginning right here >>322882771 you idiot

>>322885704
Except it objectively fucking does you blind faggot

It's a mix of Dieselpunk, Cyberpunk, urban fantasy and scifi

>sakaguchi
He is not a fucking designer and was barely involved in FF7, Nomura did the base story and created all the characters and Noara designed the setting, then Kitase and Nojima fleshed out the story and writing.

Sakaguchi was literallly just a producer and the only thing he contributed was the concept of the lifestream

>>322885857
It is both Dieselpunk and Cyberpunk you blind faggot, as well as urban fantasy and scifi

>>322881253
Woah. Seeing him smile is so odd. It's like him and Squall look like a different person when they smile.

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>>322880307
Not enough tifa.

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>>322886108
this nigga gets it

>>322886043
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNP2DiwDZgg

>>322885890
Assumed you were the other anon saying it isn't cyberpunk in this dogpile, wherever he's slinked off too.

>>322883492
He's strong enough to hold the sword, he's strong enough to overpower the magnet.

>>322886031
>>322885890
Not that anon, but ff7 definitely isn't Diesel-punk. Diesel-punk looks like Fallout. There might be elements of it, but those are minor at best.

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Did any of your Niggas ever played Ehrgeiz? Is it any good?

>>322887959
Fall out is post apocoliptic

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>>322888243
Are there any torrents out there?

>>322888261
Learn to spell nigga, goddamn.

>>322888363
iie

>>322883883
You're dumb. They don't even use diesel. They use Mako. It's Makopunk.

>>322888261
Fallout isn't Diesel-punk itself, but that's what a game that's Diesel-punk would look like. The power armor is based on what people thought the natural evolution of heavily armored units would look like. The robots look like 40s movies designs.

The game itself isn't Diesel-punk, but the style it emulates very much is.

>>322880307
Looks pretty much the same to me... literally down to the hair fibers and folds in the pants.

>>322888614
The big differences for me are that he's a little less bulky, which adds to the anime boy look and takes away from the military look and that his goddamn shoes no longer match his suspenders. (This is true for both of them.)

Drugs, not even once.

>>322880307
>What went wrong?
I prefer FF8

you all are a bunch of fags

>>322884060
>those muscles
Too bad he looks like shit in the remake

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>>322884813
>earth's magic

kek

FF7 is scifi-fantasy

you guys are being retarded by slapping all these lame "-punks" onto it..

>>322891446
fuck off punk

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>>322890551
wut? he looks fucking spot on in the remake

Such a shame they included a nigger in the game in the first place

Now he has to be rendered in 1080p and I'll be forced to look at his detailed face

It was okay with the original but this is asking too much, it's like looking at sweaty ass Finn in a Stormtrooper costume

>>322892631
kek

>>322880307
Isn't remake Cloud closer to the original concept art?

>>322888243
The fighting game portion of it was kinda eh.
They handled the fighters kind of interesting. Cloud's a fist fighter who pulls out his sword for silly range and damage.

The dungeon diving portion of it was the real game, damn fun.

>>322888345
It's just a ps1 iso, get it off emuparadise.

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Best ship incoming


NSFW

>>322894161
ship's sunk

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Would all of you clowns be whining and arguing this hard if Cloud looked like this in the remake?

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>>322894424
fuck you, you little shitstain

>>322891576
Looked a lot better in Crisis Core desu senpai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQIc-XzOcAc

>>322894672
too much animu desu senpai

>>322880891
Kind of. It's his model from Smash 4

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>>322894672
He looks pretty much the same here.

>>322894431
I don't want Cloud to look like a Pillar Man

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LOL

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>>322895934

>>322895934
>I don't want Cloud to look fabulous

>>322895934
Not even if he has dat ass?

http://boards.barachan.org/2D/src/1444014048507-1.jpg

>>322884810
>these comebacks
Underage confirmed

Why is his uniform black?

>>322895951
US GAMERS AMIRITE???

>>322896124
>>322896340
Not everyone has to look like Whammu.

It makes I less unique and decent.

>>322896412
That's a nice ass but he should look fit and like a Super Soldier not an Aztec God of Fitness

>>322896570
Your mom has plenty of cum on her back.

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>>322884548
>>322884137
So this is Cyber to you?

>>322897029
Yes, because I like it and say so. I don't like what you say is cyber so it isn't.

>>322882382
He always had the high top though.

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>>322884156
FFVII is really hard to pin down because it seems to exist in a weird alternate version of the Industrial Revolution. Midgar is huge and a technological giant, but everywhere else seems to be a small town with medieval housing. But a lot of the more modern architecture in FFVII is blunt and practical, almost Soviet-like.

also should mention that Midgar actually does have aspects kept in it from when it used to be a collection of towns.

>>322880307
The new mary sue combat system.

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>>322890551
He looks good in the remake, like he is his FF7 version just in HD model now

The point of him having skinny muscles at the beginning is thematically correct to the lore of FF7

He literally just woke up from a 5 year coma, his muscles deteriorated and FF7 begins weeks after he woke up, no shit his muscles would by skinny


Obviously as the game goes on he will regain his muscle mass

The official FF7 Remake Cloud figure that Nomura supervised even shows him with bigger arms than he has in the trailer

>>322882141

not as boring as the fag who makes these threads

>>322883752
Its a cooler design and the shit he did in advent children was tits my nigga

>>322883320
>Where's the augments?
You mean like a nigga with a gun for an arm?

>>322884548
Dieselpunk isn't even a real genre, it's just a shitty aesthetic that tries to pass off as deeper than it really is and has nothing to do with the "punk" part of its own name.

Just like Steampunk, really.

>>322880307
Just goes to show. Don't underestimate the power of Nintendo people

>>322880307
left looks like he's in that moment where you don't know whether or not you're going to do something, in this case swing that sword down your skull; he's 100% ready to kick ass
right looks like he's completely complacent and is simply hoping Tifa notices him

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>>322898963
You mean the power of Nomura's direct input telling Nintendo what to do.

>>322880307
Not sure why people try to defend Lanky Cloud. He didn't JUST get out of the lab and crawl to Midgar. He was found by Tifa at the train station and likely rested and got fed for a while.

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>>322883752
Feels good to use the advent childen cloud, just to trigger autists like this

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>>322899267
>Nomura
>input
Not really.

>>322880891
>>322881253
He's based off the original VII anime style.

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>>322897731
If they do that it would be fucking brilliant

>>322899769
Except yes really

Your image is fanart from a gaming magazine, not Nomura art or even official art.

The image here >>322899267 is Nomura art, and Nomura told Nintendo how to handle Cloud based on that art.

Cloud does not have big arm muscles in FF7, he only does in this Nomura artwork here >>322899267 and Smash because of that artwork is stuff Nomura did for Smash

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>>322899769

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>>322900009
>dat Cloud
I want to protect that smile

>>322880307

Smash designers went with a more classic look for him. He looks closer to the artwork from FFVII.

They did the same with Megaman and Pacman.

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>>322900005
My text had nothing to do with the image, the image was for the lower posts quoted. Try again.

>>322900009

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>>322900519
And now for serious and slightly more down to earth designed Cloud.

>>322900519
Except again

Smash Cloud is based on Nomura's art here >>322899267

Not on the fucking FF7 Cloud, not only is it using the belt and hilt design from here >>322899267 but it's also the only time Cloud has ever been depicted with big muscles, and in Smash Cloud has big muscles like in that pic


Smash Cloud is not based on FF7 Cloud, it's based on Nomura's artwork here >>322899267

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>>322880307
His clothes are black.

>>322881997
I'm looking forward to roll around ff7 remake with slp cloud

>>322901278
>only time Cloud has ever been depicted with big muscles
4th illustration here >>322881253 shows otherwise. His final design CG render is also slightly more muscular than the illustration which implies they went so far as to decide to beef him up for the higher quality depiction.

>>322897517
It's fantasy-cyberdiesel-punk-fi

>>322902150
>cyberdiesel
That is a genius name for a pseudo-fuel source.

>>322902039
That is concept art and was never used in the game, it was a scrapped design

FF7 Cloud never had muscles, he had skinny arms

His FF7 CG render had skinny muscles exactly the same too


Cloud has ever only had big muscles here >>322899267 in the Nomura Smash artwork, and that is what the Smash version of Cloud is based on, his arm muscles, his belt design, his glove design too being fingerless

>>322901685
you know the rules

>>322902317
and so do I

>>322902265
pls don't steal my oc

>>322900864
>dat barret
my sides are obliterated

>>322891576
>spot on
>wrong hairstyle
>his most feminine face yet

>>322899902
Doesn't seem too challenging. Witcher has dynamic hair growth while this wouldn't even be dynamic just over the course of the story.

>>322894431
I want a middle ground between this and Smash Cloud

>>322902635
Zack even aged during Crisis Core. It's nothing new.

>>322902314
I'd get into it, but you're just going to keep ignoring the obvious.
His bicep, pectoral and deltoid muscle are considerably more defined in his CG render compared to the thinner Nomura illustration

>>322902685

Looks pretty much the same
>>322884060
>>322894431

>>322903096
Cloud doesn't look that buff in-game in SSB4. But if he looked like that in FF7remake I'd love it.

>>322903003
His FF7 design looks nothing like his Smash version you blind fuck

Holy fucking shit

His belt has a white thick outline around the entire thing

His Smash Nomura art does not and instead has seams sewn into it

His gloves are fingerless in the Smash version, they have wraps on his FF7 version

His arm biceps are massive and built in the Smash Nomura art

In FF7 they are skinny and slender, both in the CG and in the artwork

File: Cloud_Chocobo.png (43KB, 191x187px) Image search: [Google]

43KB, 191x187px

>>322901278
So, FFVII Cloud then?

>>322880307
>Remake

I thought it was obvious.

>>322903835
Apparently it's not obvious enough for retards like you.

>>322882141
You're on /v/ bud, you're probably not that exciting either