>>322869012 Fire their story writers for a start. Shit I can pull a better story out of my ass. Both WoD and SC:2 should have never mate it past the idea stage for writing.
Your next job is to quit making casual crap. I am tired of seeing the games turn into My First MMO: Thrall's Adventures and Starcraft 2: Unrequited Love for an Insect Lady. I hope you don't turn Overwatch into the mess that the others did, but with the current history I'll pass.
>play Legacy of the void >all the dialog is spoken R E A L L Y S L O W because lol protoss >Game still looks like shit >high templar have auto attacks >WoW is shit, FFXIV is better in every way >Diablo 3 was a disappointment
>>322870026 1: Get to 100 on at least one character, preferably 2-3 2: Solo 25m Cataclysm raids with welfare epics from LFR every week 3: ??? 4: Profit!
Soloing old raids earns you 31-32k within the 30 days of subbed game time. If I recall correctly, anyway. I know I have 3-4 level 100s to do it on, I can't remember if more than one is necessary or not. Either way, the money comes from just clearing the fucking places and all the gold you make just vendoring all the loot. Iirc, it onl ytakes like two hours per character. 4-6 hours a week for a free sub is nice. HOWEVER, you'll have to start making a little extra money on the AH on the side when the token prices move up from 30k again.
>>322869214 i got super fucking excited for when WoL and HotS came out. Now I couldn't give a fuck anymore with Starcraft. I'm just waiting till LotV drops in price. Can't be fucked with paying $60AUD for an 'expansion'.
>>322869012 They can't. They don't have any good projects or dev teams anymore. Hell, they just bought out MLG and made their own e-sports division so you know we're not going to see anything but shit from them in the future.
They haven't made great games in over a decade. It's dead. Move on.
>>322870320 Just play on Nost. It's still extremely populated, the content is being rolled out over time and slowly enough for you to experience it all, and the more populated server is pvp. I'd play there if I could stand to deal with the terribly boring vanilla classes anymore.
>>322869012 For warcraft 4, remove Metzen from leading the next story, do not make it a rehash of the tired old 'we must set aside our differences, work together and shit rainbows to counter the big bad evil.' formula. No bending to the dense masses of the battlenet forums, go for quality they would actually stand by and believe in themselves.Not killing the custom map scene before it even starts off, reward and encourage people to make good maps, world editor more akin to the warcraft 3 editor perhaps with a tutorial or simple edit mode and a more advanced with as little restrictions for advanced users as possible, this would allow more people to get into it. The game would have to stand on its own and not focus on getting people to sign up for another WoW fix if they don't have an active WoW account.
Basically, it needs to be strong as fuck and actually improve on the quality features of WC3 after they raped and murdered their SC2 and diablo franchises.
As much as i like to shit on them i still play all their games.I dont think they will ever make another 10/10 genre defining game ever but every single one of their games is fun and i have played it/playing it now. I play hearthstone everyday I played D3 and with the expansion the game really improved I quit WoW in MoP but before that its my favorite game of all time.(Still playing on nostalrius) With starcraft 2 i bought them all and i loved the campaigns.I played multiplayer for a while in HotS but i never really got into it. Overwatch is looking great and i will buy it on launch. Am i the only one that still enjoys their games here?
>>322871893 Honestly with WotLK you could still think "OK they tried something new and fucked it up" but Bnet 2.0 was the sign that everything had gone to shit.
It was the first "always online" DRM, had no chat rooms, no lobbies (still doesn't) no guilds or similar grouping system, it censored so many ridiculous words I don't know what the fuck they were thinking (it was funny for a bit, finding out that the words black and white were censored, or finding it Dick was censored but dick was not, anal was censored but Anal was not etc.) It was just such a goddamn mess on every conceivable level
Oh but at least they had facebook integration, because that's important... It's fucking still not turned into a serviceable system and Bnet 1.0 is still better in just about every single way.
>>322872291 >I don't know what the fuck they were thinking The fuck you think nigga?Its there to prevent piracy.The only way to pirate D3 is to set up a private server for it but who has time to do that for a single player game
>>322872291 I was in an elite raiding guild and did WotLK beta and enjoyed it somewhat.
However between falling out with my guild and seeing the direction they were taking the game (Adding the resilience stat completely FUCKED any deserved edge raiders had in pvp, making my gains worthless) and a few other things, I fell out of WoW so hard at this point that I simply don't remember Bnet 2.0 at all. Everything you're telling me is news to me, although I can't say I'm surprised.
>>322872912 Oh fuck off, people like you were what was wrong with pvp to begin with >I deserve an advantage in a competition because I played more/did completely unrelated things! PvP died when PvP gear became a thing, PvP had always been about who has the best gear and that only got worse in BC and then WotLK made it even WORSE rather than fixing it.
No matter how good you were, your contribution in BG's and Arenas was directly related to how much gear you'd farmed previously, which is fucking retarded.
>>322873242 It meant the death of Lans (not even possible anymore, and it fucked a great deal with the competitive scene) and even wanting to practice vs custom AI was entirely impossible, or playing the singleplayer, or playing singleplayer custom maps offline where all shut down for literally on reason other than "muh piracy is a hueg problem!"
>>322873435 >Legacy of the void was good In what possible universe? Disruptors are widowmines on steroids in how badly they fuck up the multiplayer and make it into stale shite, the singleplayer was an abomination where they didn't even bother to program decent AI, they just spawn in attack waves and make literally every map "fight off the attack waves while getting the objectives" and literally TELLING you that you shouldn't be trying to go after the bases.
The writing was atrocious, the balance non-existent, the maps have literally no variety because it's all the same shit with a different coat of paint, and let's not even talk about the total number of missions which is fuck all.
>>322873668 I enjoyed the campaign and have been having a blast with MP since I ain't good enough for the big leagues where it's problems really come through, whereas in my lower tier there's now a fuckload of build/strategic diversity for the first time in three years.
>>322873193 I did deserve it more. I worked my fucking ass off taking down legitimately fucking difficult bosses with my guildmates, patiently collecting up scraps of gear.
I got this gear FOR THE PURPOSE of having an edge in PvP. I wanted to be the best, and I was.
I wasn't unkillable; If you're in blues, you either get lucky or are just damn good, and you take me down. This was completely fair. People in better gear than me deserved to have better stats.
Furthermore, I FULLY SUPPORTED strong epic sets for arena bros/pvpers, as long as these epics were awarded on skill (winning tournaments, putting in the ridiculously hard time to get Grand Marshal etc). I don't think there is anything wrong with PvP gear at all. It was adding the Resilience stat that fucked everything up massively.
By adding the Resilience stat, they drove a insurmountable wedge between pvp and pve gear, to the point where it divided the players between the pvpers and the pvers to such a degree that pvers could not participate in pvp effectively without getting entire new sets of gear.
Fuck that. Fuck that, and fuck Blizzard for forcing that.
My character was worth over a thousand mid-late BC. Should have fucking sold him while I could, but I was so convinced I'd be playing the goddamn game as a grandfather. Fuck. At least I couldn't have really known.
>>322869012 1. Make a good game 2. Make the game NOT full of nickel and diming jewshit. I wanna drop $60 on the thing and have bought the entire thing. 3. If the good game is multiplayer, allow me to be racist in the game.
>>322873906 >I wanted to be the best Then be the best, not the asshole with the best stuff.
>This was completely fair How the fuck could anyone literally be this retarded? You're asking for the equivalent of extra pieces in a game of chess, you're beyond salvageable in terms of intellectual deficiency, holy shit.
>I supported arena gear Because farming gear before being able to compete is a great way to not stagnate the scene, you complete mongol, it killed wPvP because you had to have gear to PvP, and you'd need to be farming that gear, so there was no point in doing anything but the prescribed activities, actual player interaction and ingenuity was fucking killed outright.
>It drove a wedge between pvp and pve gear Making the problem they already had worse, rather than introducing an entirely new problem. Resillience was a thing in BC by the way, since you seem to have forgotten, back then it was a Stat some tanks would have since it did a similar thing to defense in that it reduced the chance you would be crit, and PvP gear was easy to get rather than hoping the loot fairy would bless your ass this month.
But really, fuck off, you're a god damn imbecile and nobody should have to listen to your drivel.
>Fire Metzen >Start working on Warcraft 4, declare it a seperate continuity to WoW that follows on from 3 in a different direction >Make Hearthstone less of a P2W shitfest, possibly just giving players all the basic cards right from the beginning as a start >Just close HotS down, or at least stop giving it priority over other games >Guarentee no paid maps or heroes for Overwatch and firmly establish all microtransactions will be solely cosmetic shit >Release another DIII expansion, and revamp the story as much as reasonably possible with it >Fucking admit SCII is a mess at high tiers of play and put serious work into fixing it
>remove LFR, LFD >put back battlements >remove pet battles >put back meaningful 5 man content >TBC level heroics >put back skill trees >stop trying to sell shitty mounts in the cash shop on top of a $15/month fee
Pretty much just revert all the game mechanics back to TBC with the same difficulty levels.
>>322874561 Also they did guarantee the free heroes and maps for Overwatch.It was a big thing and people were crying about it since blizz was dodging the question at blizzcon I dont think they should do another d3 expansion,they should work on d4 I agree about sc2 since i doubt any new players will pick it up.
>>322869012 Remove Metzen and then start looking over the other writers and people involved with the lore. The romance shit in Starcraft and Thrall passing the torch to Garrosh were both fucking retarded on a level that makes me unable to see straight.
>>322874350 >People with the best stuff should be allowed to trivialize competition Fuck that >I should have sold my character And this is exactly why, you're literally advocating pay-to-win mechanics. It's people like you that ruined WoW, thanks a lot retard.
>>322871504 I've been thinking about a good expansion you could make for Diablo 2, have it based around victorian times with werewolves, vampires and shit and instead of having a main bad guy you could just have the final quest being a boss rush
Maybe have a new class called a Witch Hunter that starts off with a whip
>>322874745 They cant remove LFR and LFD now since everyone is used to it and people would cry about it. How do pet battles affect you again?You can ignore them if you dont like them.Epik meme dude xDDDD I agree about 5 mans To get TBC level heroics they would seriosly need to overtune the mobs since everyone has a billion abilities and a lot of cc,instead of 1 cc on 2 classes etc... The triple dipping on the cash shop is pissing me off too.
>>322874350 >Then be the best, not the asshole with the best stuff.
I was good. One of the top 5 hunters on my server in fact. But skill =/ gear. Skill and gear compliment each other. By taking out the component of gear from the equation for half the players, you fuck them over unequivocally. Skill does not make that difference up.
>This was completely fair It was fair. I put more time and effort into the game, I got an edge. That's fair.
>blah blah stagnate the scene Except it didn't at all. PvP, both open world and instanced, was at its' golden age during the PvP ranking phase of vanilla. Grand Marshals got very strong gear, but they deserved it because they worked hard for it. Just like I deserved my dope 9/9 Cryptstalker I fucking slaved over.
Also >you complete mongol Best insult of my life, seriously thank you I'm giggling like a cunt.
>Resillience was a thing in BC
Yeah, end of BC, it was awful, etc. It wasn't just for tanks, it was for everyone. You know what it did, so you know why it was BS. The Res. PvP gear was way too easy to get, I agree completely. At least the arena sets, stronk as they were, were fair considering the sheer effort that went in into obtaining them.
>>322869012 >Loved Warcraft 3, fun campaigns, fun races, heroes, custom games were top tier >WoW holds my attention briefly >Realise its pretty shit, all the wc3 heroes get shit on and no real story progression/ total shit >Wings of liberty comes out! Fucking pumped for starcraft >Its alright >Diablo 3 again, fuck yes >Its fucking abysmal >Downhill spiral from here
>>322875131 I liked short/shortish attunments like MC and BWL.Onyxia was a great one time experience but doing again was so fucking annoying.AQ event was unique and naxx was kinda dumb just paying for it depending on how much you farmed strath.TBC put even more annoying atunments with long quests chains and one atunment leading to the next.I just want to raid senpai not bother doing arcanaz baka
>>322874561 >Fucking admit SCII is a mess at high tiers of play and put serious work into fixing it
They already did during the LotV beta (the admittance, anyway). The game is just not that good and they should have dropped it waaay back in 2011/2012 and salvage all the work that went into pathfinding, networking, etc. in a different RTS project, be it Warcraft 4 or a new IP.
Instead, they kept trying to polish a turd. It is shiny, but it's still a turd... and they killed all the passion the guys doing the polishing had going for them.
>>322873906 >>322875216 Fuck this noise. If you only do PvE for the purpose of PvP, then you're ignoring the purpose of PvE entirely. PvE and PvP SHOULD be separated because they're built around entirely different types of players, you shouldn't get just one set of gear that makes you good at everything, that just funnels everyone into being forced to do one thing. That's the kind of bullshit that is the biggest problem with theme park MMOs.
>>322875432 It forced you through all the dungeons and to put in efford. I loves it! And now with acc wide achievwments they could bring it back but noooo muh casuals need their lfr. Fuck their everyone gets a free ride politic.
>>322874097 Nothing really happened to metzen. In the beforetimes, the long-long ago, he was surrounded by people more talented than him. Those people had sufficient talent to leave blizzard and succeed on other projects. Then one day metzen woke up and realized he was the most senior person at blizzard and people were worshiping him for that, because they associated him with some of the greatest (or at least most influential) PC games ever released.
Being worshiped just for being there is never good for a person.
They removed flying before, it can be done even with people crying. LFR and LFD has really destroyed the wow social experience for me. It wasn't just spamming trade/LFG for a group if you had no friends, it was the social interaction you got from actually talking to people in game. People would get famous on a server, you would make friends with people on your server, etc..
actually walking to a fucking dungeon, taking the fucking tram from SW to Ironforge, then taking the boat from menthil harbour, then walking all the fucking way to diremaul. Walking up blackrock spire, getting lost and dying in lava because blackrock spire has 4 dungeons and is confusing as fuck to navigate. Fuck I miss these moments, teleporting instantly to dungeons makes the world fucking boring and dead.
>>322875216 >I was good How could you possibly know you demented imbecile, you never competed, the majority of fights you partook in relied on gear supremacy, how the fuck did you measure skill in that circumstance? Holy shit how much of a moron are you?
>By taking out the component of gear for half he players, you fuck them over You need to explain why, you cannot just state this as truth, there is absolutely not a single reason why this would be true, if it fucks them over it means the other players were better, the game is more competitive because the only thing setting you apart from other faggots is skill.
>It was fair, I put more time and effort into a game, I got an edge. That's fair How? Again, you cannot just retardedly make statements and expect everyone to agree, how the fuck is playing more giving you an edge "fair" in any way? By that logic spending more money on the game giving you an edge is "fair" and that's fucking retarded.
>Except it didn't at all wPvP died overnight, it split the game between PvE and PvP, newcomers couldn't enter the scene until they crossed a minimum-playtime-per-week barrier meaning only a small portion of the players could even competitively PvP at all, but sure, it didn't stagnate the scene, any more bullshit you want to pull out of your ass you complete mongoloid?
>The arena sets were fair Fuck off, it barely compensated for the fucking bullshit that the RNG loottable was, the idea that you simply couldn't advance raid tiers until you got lucky enough to get the minimum of drops that you needed was fucking retarded and forced some groups to grind trivial raids for months after clearing simply because vital items didn't drop, the system was hot garbage, and PvP items being entirely trivial to get in comparison was a poor remedy at best.
Seriously, how the fuck do you function? All you've done in this post is make some ridiculous claims with absolutely no logic or argument to support them, just "x is y so x is y"
>WoW Either scrap it or rework it in a way that utilizes its years and years of previous content in the same vein FFXIV does, have unique gear and quests that require you to do previous content but without all the fucking autistic grind FFXIV has with relics and shit
I doubt blizzard would ever divide their fanbase and make another mmo so that's kind of out of the question
>diablo 3 I'm really happy with how they've improved it since release and I genuinely enjoyed RoS and adventure mode, as well as the new shit they're introducing every season, so they don't need to do anything other than keep doing what they're doing
let it die, LOTV was such a shitshow
>HotS kill it, that shit is so fucking boring and stupid it's not even funny. I doubt it'll even last a few more years with the current formula they're going with
>>322874745 >remove LFR, LFD That accomplishes and changes nothing they did the right thing giving lfr loot generic skins. Your 8/12 heroic guild din't die because of lfr. Most toons doing lfr are alts or people who cannot into raid anyway.
>put back battlements
>remove pet battles Taking away content is never good, how much dev time do you think went into a pokemon reskins using pre-existing assets? Pet battles never cost you a raid tier.
>put back meaningful 5 man content They tried in Cata shitters cried and raged for two weeks straight until they got hard nerfed.
>TBC level heroics Spoken like someone who never chain ran heroic pens to get new guilds geared up
>put back skill trees No fucking pretend choice doesn't matter, no on ever worked out their spec by themselves there were online talent guides and calculator is fucking late vanilla for fucks sake. This is how talent tries go; The right spec, the special snowflake spec (i.e. gimping yourself) or the 'new' right spec which activates once you get certain gear or after a patch which just replaces the right spec.
>stop trying to sell shitty mounts in the cash shop on top of a $15/month fee. Mounts that don't have new or unique rigs why not how does it hurt anyone?
Every single one of these 'how would you 'fix' wow' posts are the fucking same.
Take away the 'casual' shit, give me back useless shit I never used, muh nostalgia, put back in hard stuff I never did but claimed to do to look cool on the internet.
>its only a pet , you dont need pets Suddenly more store pwts with features for petbattles
>its only mounts Suddenly you get only recolored boars ingame while the store gets fancy unique flying dragons. You are a mountcollector with over 250 mounts but refuse to buy? Fuck you hahahahaha
> its only a level boost
Brings more casuals to points where they cant play good. Hurr durr muh grind. The game has enough boosts for veterans , its the best way to learn your class by playing it instead of boosting to max. I had 4 rogues and 5 druids at max level including all other classes at least once. Leveling is fine andbneccesary.
Soon to be: > its only pvp honor > its only gold > its only lfr ilvl gear
>>322875650 Don't get me wrong, I totally loved the thrill of taking down a boss for the first time with my bros after hours of bashing our heads against the wall on a Friday raid night. I still talk to some of those niggas to this day.
But being able to log on the following day and dig in to some Alterac Valley attrition, sporting those new shoulderpads I worked so goddamn hard for. It wasn't that much of an edge either, but having that 2% to my stats in combat felt so good.
There's nothing wrong with having a dual caste system of casuals and dedicated players. And if a player wanted to get equivilent gear, they would either go hardcore into PvP and get Grand Marshal/Arena sets, or join a raiding guild.
Sorry, I just can't see how it isn't fair. I don't think I can be convinced otherwise.
>>322875778 Considering how the scene had been stagnant for almost two years it really isn't a surprise that something fresh is well-received by the pros, but good god watching games is fucking boring as shit now. It's always two armies taking pot shots at each other until one person makes a mistake and loses half his army to a single attack, then it typically stabilizes a few times before one guy finally wins, the biggest tournament last year was just so fucking boring to watch, PvP especially.
Because gear should be built towards your playstyle. It shouldn't be equivalent because that destroys the point of choice.
If I put weeks into getting a good PvP set, then a PvEer shouldn't even be able to TOUCH me because their gear is designed for fighting raid bosses. On the same coin, my gear shouldn't be worth shit in itemization for PvE.
>>322876091 the shop pets are absolutely useless for pet battles mounts are still a cosmetic item and when you start collecting you are aware beforehand that there are mounts in the shop. You get literally HOUNDREDS of mounts outside the shop some of which the most beautiful in the game and actually take some effort or time to get ( drop only ) saying the shop holds the best mounts is grasping for straws, since the fairy dragon is the only good they ever released
>>322869012 >stop being Jews 1. No more pushing agenda in their games. No more pandering to people who don't buy games.
2. More frequent sales with better discounts, and not just HotS heroes
3. Stop with the anti-consumer practices. Ex: Say you have 2/3 of SC2, and you want to get the complete collection for the digital deluxe bonuses and the last of the trilogy. They want you to pay $99 - they want you to rebuy games you already own. And other shady practices.
3. Make WC RTS games again. WoW is dying. Instead of letting the WC franchise die with WoW, why not make WC4 RTS?
4. Make new IPs. SC is dead (after LotV), WoW is dying, Diablo is almost dead (after D3 shitfest), and Overwatch is dead-on-arrival. What will they do when people get tired of those 3 games, and the spin-offs made out of them like HotS?
Speaking of Overwatch, the marketing strat of "give beta keys to streamers only" is stupid.
5. Fire Metzen and his creative/writing crew. I would rather see Orcs admit to being invaders and that they don't belong in Azeroth (be punished and make amends), than this 'chosen people' angle he has been cramming down everyone's throats:
Thrall: Okay, we invade your lands and genocide your people. You want us out?! B-but Chosen Ones™!
That or characters going mad/corrupted, and they become villains.
You see a variation of that in all their games. It just gets old/stupid after a while.
6. Make D3 not canon and make a true sequel to D2/LoD. Cain shouldn't die. 'Tyrone' shouldn't happen. None of this Nephalem shit. None of this Anu and Tathamet shit. Stop making the Diablo franchise like WC/WoW (colorful, cartoonish). Remove the menorah in the Crusader's shields and abilities and bring back the cross. >Yep. A menorah
7. Reform Blizzard North, relocate them far from the corruption of Blizz South/Irvine. Let them make Diablo games and new IPs. Don't interfere.
Then don't play MMO pvp, because that's all it ever comes down to unless they put a buff in place that equalizes everyone's stats. And "welfare epics" implies I didn't spend time in PvP working for them.
>>322876386 I collect mounts and pets , statted doing it in tbc when it became affordable and fun. Most of the mounts left on my list are some newer raiding rewards , a few high rng and tedious to farm like tlpd and all the store mounts. One of the reasons why i quit 4 months ago after 9 year dual acc sub
>>322876112 >You can't convince me an unfair advantage in a competition isn't fair Yes, that much is obvious, I haven't been calling you a retard for the last half-hour for shits and giggles you imbecile.
Imagine any other competition where you couldn't compete without first having done a series of other completely unrelated tasks "no anon, I get a much bigger tennis racket because I fucked my uncle last week, it's totally fair!"
Having such "tiers" or separations is what World PvP was for, and that got murdered when those same tiers were only unlockable through the actually supposedly competitive PvP activities.
>>322869012 Stop making all games World of Warcraft. Apologize to the fans for Diablo 3. Expunge all references to "panda" from WoW and WoW lore. Apologize to the fans for Pandas. Apologize to the fans for releasing 1/3 of a game then release all of Starcraft 2 as a free download. Get back to their roots of making great video games for nerds and if non-nerds want to join in, fine. Stop trying to please the dumbass masses and remember who your real fans are.
>>322876605 His point was, that in WOD there is no reason to leave your garrison. You are just proofing my point saying there never was a reason to leave the capital starting from TBC >>322876647 >im a 1500rating arena shitter and have no clue what im talking about, the post thanks for contributing and speaking out of your ass
>>322876731 Real fans don't give them 5$ for 5 entirely random cards in Hearthstone anon, they got all the inbred retards into their containment, and I'm partly happy for it, and partly sad that Blizzard was sacrificed for the cause.
>>322876831 >B-but you can totally play WoW for free Laughing at this retarded sentiment never gets old when it does indeed take far more time to farm the gold in WoW than it would to earn the money IRL, especially when the fucking grind to get the money in WoW is full on retarded.
>>322876947 Always makes me wonder what the last straw was for other anons.
I managed to endure through most of WotLK but when they removed Divine Intervention for no fucking reason I was done. Friends did a last ditch effort to convince me to keep playing and I briefly played priest in early Cata, which was promising until they fucking nerfed the heroics into the fucking ground.
>>322876417 Have you actually played the beta? It doesn't feel like 20 at all. The only part where it makes a difference is with characters like Hanzo and Widowmaker getting headshots when they definitely shouldn't, but that's a problem in basically every FPS.
>>322877136 I dont think it was one single thing.After i cleared Dragon soul on heroic i just got bored and i had a shit ton of single player games i missed over the years since i played wow/wc3custom games/dota for a long ass time.
>>322876087 I'm not the dude you're arguing with about summoning but speaking to my defence. I am not promoting casualisation. I'm saying the removing content helps no one and that tlent tress have always and will always be the biggest illusion of choice ever it doesn't matter if you used to be able to chooes between 5% crit and 5% apr one was always mathematically better and thus always taken, baking the better one innately into a spec has changed nothing because everyone who mattered already took it 100% of the time anyway.
I did too because up till then I have had never played a class that can heal.
It's pretty hellish though because almost all the people I meet in randoms still retain the mentaility from WotLK heroics mentality and healing was way less effective because of the early cata re-balance and gear.
>>322874745 >remove LFR, LFD people like to say this killed the game but it really didn't; kids just got older and stopped giving a shit about making friends because they realized the old way of doing things was terrible. do you remember how many shitty players you had to deal with because you were forced to? that's a terrible system and they were right to progress past it.
>put back attunements fucking why? this adds nothing but a timesink to the game. the raids are hard enough as is. gear requirements are fine.
>remove pet battles why? i don't care for them but i don't want them removed. why should you?
>put back meaningful 5 man content they're doing that with the new challenge mode system (it will effectively be an alternative to raiding in terms of acquiring gear and providing a sufficient challenge)
>TBC level heroics challenge modes take care of this
>put back skill trees they're doing this with artifact trees, and if you compare them to the old trees, they're also just as boring (you collect points to give yourself passive damage increases...how is this interesting?)
>stop trying to sell shitty mounts in the cash shop on top of a $15/month fee agreed
this whole "early wow was better" meme needs to fucking die. the game is objectively better in nearly every way
>>322877453 >I'm right and you're wrong! You've convinced me You are indeed a retard
>You're a bleating autist and you're inherently wrong but somehow it's too difficult for me to provide a curt and simple counterargument :^) Sure thing, retard.
>Fuck you for implying that people farmed for raid gear Except they literally did, only the few faggots who literally had no jobs, school or other social responsibilities had enough time to not need to farm for gear.
And you yourself already implied you were quite willing to SELL your account, which means that you literally endorse and encourage pay-to-win for whatever faggot decided to buy it.
You're trash, scum of the earth, and you have nothing but your own delusions to convince you otherwise, not even a simple argument to your name.
>>322877429 You know what's hilarious; Blood taking was the best in ICC because ICC tanking was be the biggest fattest sack of shit you can be, when they made blood into the tank spec in ealy cata mitigation was king and blood had almost no tools to deal with it (ex halfus raping blood dk faces) so it would have made more sense for blizz at t the time to make frost that tank spec sinc it focused on mitigation.
>>322869012 Make WoW 2, drop the sub in favor of more regular small expansions and occasional big ones, just because it would be hysterical. WoW itself is doomed because of how content is spread, and significant portions are just dead content outright. Finding a way to being back World PvP and increase server population density would be great.
>>322877571 I had it easy because I wasn't retarded, but my guildmates made raiding fucking awful.
They tried to gear up similarly to how they did in WotLK, so instead of ensuring optimal mana efficiency they went with haste, which literally only increased the rate at which you spent mana at no extra benefit and was a useless garbage stat at the start of Cata.
No matter how I explained and even demonstrated the difference (having over double the healing done compared to other healers in higher ilevel gear) they just adamantly insisted haste was the only way to build a healer.
>>322877778 See while you're roiling mad, I'm just giggling at you. I'm trying to imagine some pencil necked British autist bleating on and on. Please keep it up, I'm loving this. Like you're a treat.
>Except they literally did
You're so wrong it's gorgeous. I'm incredulous. I'm not even going to try to argue how wrong you are, I'll just let you stew in it and smile.
>And you yourself already implied you were quite willing to SELL your account
4 figures iz 4 figures my nigga. Cream, get the money. If your character was worth 1.7k, you wouldn't sell it? From a game you're walking away from, because you're trying to preserve its' integrity or some shit?
You're such a beautiful autist, you're like a specimen. It's precious.
>>322878594 what else would you do if you clear heroic ds in a day and then again with alts on the next day? Ofcourse you cant pull it all off during early progression , but once you are at 1-2 days cleartime for the week thats all thats left.
>>322878541 >Huhu U mad bro?! Uhm... sure buddy, whatever helps you live with yourself I guess?
>You're wrong That's all you've been able to say, it's beyond childish at this point, seek help, I hear euthanasia is a thing in the Netherlands if you're not sure where to look.
>Wouldn't you sell it? Bitch please, that's it? "I'm not even going to try and argue, you're totally right and I'm just a greedy whore" is what you end with?
I mean really, why even post any of this drivel? What possible merit could it have in any context besides a preschool showdown? I am legitimately considering a sage here because of how incredulous it is for a man over 18 years of age to be acting in this manner.
>Blizzard, according to Pardo, envisions their market as a donut, with the core players at the center and a more casual audience around that. "It's increasingly important to appeal to both," Pardo said. Blizzard leans heavily on the "easy to learn, difficult to master" mantra, Pardo said, but also does things like lowering system requirements to build a broader audience.
>To maximize both depth and accessibility, the company concentrates on DEPTH FIRST AND ACCESSIBILITY LATER, Pardo said. "First we try to come up with what are really cool things, things that will get people to play for two to three years. Then we actually start talking about accessibility, how to make the content approachable and easy to learn. But it starts with depth first."
>>322882012 It is hard to tell. This article is dated, but it still goes in nice detail on the death grip Activision uses on it's servants: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/128252-a-short-history-of-activision-blizzard-or-how
>Activision insisted on conducting interviews over the Presidents' Day holiday weekend; West and Zampella were interrogated for over six hours in a windowless conference room; Activision investigators brought other Infinity Ward employees to tears in their questioning and accusations and threatened West and Zampella with "insubordination" if they attempted to console them; Activision's outside counsel demanded that West and Zampella surrender their personal computers, phones and communication devices to Activision for review by Activision's outside counsel and, when West and Zampella asserted their legally protected privacy rights, Activision's counsel said that doing so constituted further acts (of) insubordination.
>>322882547 They wanted to make something else than CoD and Activision were having none of that. Activision made up some shit and fired the guys at Infinity Ward. They sued them and Activision was forced to settle.
>love diablo 1 as a solo experience >get really into SC:BW >enjoy the campaign and custom games of WC3 but still mainly play SC:BW >WoW comes out and it's the best game ever >Wrath comes out and it's not as fun, already did naxx 40 in a pug during TBC a few times and the idea of aoeing through all the trash made the dungeons boring fairly quickly >PvP wasn't really an options since S5 is still the worst season of pvp ever. >quit for a while
>SC2 comes out and hyped >Campaign was fun but the story was a real disappointment. Not terrible but just mediocre. >Bnet 2.0 was anti social and the competative side of the game got stale after a 2 months.
>resub for cata and find out about how fucking shit LFD and how much harm wotlk did to the core of the game >Join a new guild to raid in but everyone is anti-social and just raid logs, quit again.
>D3 comes out, wasn't the biggest fan of D2 so i was only disappointed by the story
>Hearthstone comes out and is fun, the first fresh idea they have had in years and it's worked out really well.
>resub to wow for a few months and clear to 11/14H SoO where i just can't stand having nothing else to do outside of raiding.
>quit and resub for WoD
>WoD is an entirely new level of bad for blizzard, quickly unsub
>HOTS was the only moba i enjoyed but i dislike assfaggots in general
>>322883156 ask them in public if they think wod was a mistake , they will fully justify their decisions and praise it as the second comming that players just couldnt apreciate.
The days of appologizing for unacceptable server performance during expansion launch are over , the fuckups will continue though and Legion wont change that. It sounds all fine and dandy during blizzcon but they wont deliver fuck all as usual. Go back and watch all blizzcons and see what they promised there... makes you think warlords would actually be good.
>>322876559 but blizzshits modus operandi was always to take something someone else made and casualize it to hell just because starcrap/warcrap/world of warcrap were the first and only games you have played from their respective genres does not make it not true
>1.) Stop being lazy fucking jews >2.) Abolish micro transactions and make them into in-game unlockables >3.) For WoW make PvE Only servers no class will ever get nerfed only buffs now. >4.) ??? >5.) MAKE BLIZZARD GREAT AGAIN!
Regardless they wont pull it off so its great not being subscribed to these fucking failures.
>>322884543 >Diablo had a story >the entire exposition is delivered by books top lel It will never cease to amaze me how autistic Diablo fanbase is. Especially that part of it which is fully aware that 3 is shit but simultaneously can't accept that the same goes for 1 and 2 because 'm-muh nostalgia and deep atmosphere'.
here's a fun fact about why blizzard is bad and the rest of the industry is bad too. from a business standpoint, for a long-running game where a big chunk of your long-subscribers are heavily invested in continuing your game simple because of the resources they've poured into it so far, it makes more sense to pander to people who don't like your game than to people who do.
Samwise and his disciples, chained to a crucifix and whipped by the now promoted Menzen in order to churn out increasingly intricate paudron designs (there's one who frequents deviant art who designed the Terran units of SCII and was told to redesign them several times by Blizz for not being "cartoony" enough, like the Goliath, which was originally going to be much closer to its SCI design.)
>>322869012 stop being mad at valve realizing the value of dota train before them and remove all the limitations of user created content to not make it happen again thus making mapping (what made warcraft and starcraft successful to begin with and still relevant today) worth a damn again
Ubisoft and EA fuck their customers but they dont care , in fact they go full 420 dew the doritos about it. Blizz is >we are still the best , praise us even if you disagree for you are a simple mortal unable to see the whole picture
>>322889654 I still go back and play Warcraft 3 every year or three. I fucking loved it when I first played it, and I still do. If they just do Warcraft 3 with modern graphics and retcon WoW's story (either entirely or post BC or WotLK) and replace it with a good one, I'd buy the shit out of it.
>>322889809 None of these features will ever be delivered with current business practices. Are you seriously shitting me? Why would they let you design games within a game, with the map editor, like people did with Warcraft 3, when they can sell it to you instead and people will buy it because it's blizzard?
Can someone explain to me why pepople hate Diablo 3? I recently played it, and reaper of souls trough, (got them for cheap) and they seemed like fine games.
I do have to admit that I have not played Diablo 1 or 2, so I don't know how the 3 compares to either, but from the perspective of someone who played this type of games for the first time, the gameplay itself seemed to be pretty good. It kept me engaged and entertained for the entirety of the campaign.
Storywise, it was also way, way better than SC2, which is a fucking atrocity, and shits all over SC1 and Brood War.
Of course, as I do not know the full stories of the earlier entries of Diablo franchise, I do not know how much Diablo 3 may, or may not have shat upon it's predecessors. However, the story was at least still pretty ok, whereas the story of SC2 is horrid even if you don't know anything about SC1 or Brood War.
So in short, why does Diablo 3 get so much shit? It seems like a fine game to me.
It might not seem like it, but when first released, people were expecting something awesome because of the early trailers, and what they got was Star Wars: Episode I in regards to how dissapointing early release D3 was.
>>322892589 Yeah, I remember there being some butthurt about the launch of Diablo 3, but as I never paid much attention to it back then, I don't really remember any details. Still, I think that the game is pretty ok as it is right now, and I honestly sorta wish that it would get another expansion pack. It was pretty fun gradually becoming more and more powerful as the game progressed.
>>322893204 I don't get the point of the picture. And how does it rape the lore? I am not denying that it might do that, I just simply do not know enough of the lore of the earlier games to spot any would be lore raping going on.
Yeah the game was way better when you spent 30 minutes walking to a dungeon with zero difficulty. If only there was a tier of dungeons and raids that was mandatory for you to have to actively seek out groups for.
>remove pet battles
>put back meaningful 5 man content
What the fuck does this even mean?
>TBC level heroics
So you want them to make the current heroics worse?
>put back skill trees
They're already doing that, except it's better versions of the old skill trees.
>stop trying to sell shitty mounts in the cash shop
>back to TBC with the same difficulty levels
TBC and Vanilla were the easiest the game ever was, though.
>>322893218 Blizzard has largely lost the ability to make distinct artstyles. Most of their shit looks vaguely Wow like these days. Diablo 3 suffers the least of it though. Starcraft lost it's original aesthetics nearly completely. Just fucking compare the old Protoss and Zerg designs to the modern ones. Dragoons for example, were clearly robotic, weird, almost insectoid looking walkers, while their replacements in SC2, the Immortals and Stalkers, look more like some magical golems or some shit.
>small map size to encourage a large variety of maps, as Warcraft maps have always been about quantity over quality >no search engine to encourage exploring through maps instead of searching for just for that one map, to again favor quantity over quality
Unfortunately, these two things would never happen because most people think quality is all that matters. The problem is that quality will kill off quantity, leaving only a few stale maps.
>>322896435 dude I'm not even arguing in favor of whether or not it's lore rape It's literally just a meme in response, it could've been any other cool story bro photo but that guy decided to post one that's actually relevant to the thread
Sexism isn't bad, but your average Blizzard CEO will not know that and get all his information by hi 23yr old transqueer african secretary intern who reads him select tweets from feminist frequency while he's counting money.
95% of "gamers" (as in "people who play video games") are male, no matter how many big titted bimbos hold their cowtits into a camera and thank nerds for subscribing on twitch. Those people have nothing to do with gaming. So, with 95% of your audience being males from 13 to 40 years of age and your company becoming more prudent with every game and patch, you seriously ask why people stopped buying your games?
1. Get rid of Metzen, that hack couldn't write a story to save his life. No, ERRBODY BECOMING CORRUPTED NIGGA is not a story.
2. Really, get rid of Metzen, his fucking self insert ego jerking and "noble savage" agendas have been annoying for years now. Nobody thinks Thrall is cool besides Metzen, nobody thinks orcs are the misunderstood good guys and nobody besides Metzen has this orc-cuckold fetish that he has. Just because you're a subscriber on BLACKED.com, that doesn't mean you should insert your fetish into other people's fucking entertainment. Get rid of this cuck.
3. Make Sylvanas and all the other well endorsed female show their goodies again. First your social justice designers got rid off her bikini armor, then you covered up her midriff. What's next, is she going to wear a burka while fighting the fight for woman's rights? Men love tits and if your company wasn't staffed with 85% homosexuals, you guys would remember that. To us, the way you're taking your designs just looks strange.
4. Stop covering the MOBA and shooter markets with even more dumbed down shit. MOBA's will be dominated by Dota and LoL for the next 5 years at least, so you missed your chance there, no big deal. Shooters will always have Counter-Strike, Call of Duty and Battlefield, so no luck there either. In both markets, the steaming shits that left your studios didn't even meet those standards, so don't try to fix it now with selling overpriced skins for low population games.
5. Fix Diablo, WarCraft and StarCraft. You have your established franchises and you let them ROT because you wanted to go for 2 new markets and failed miserably (see 4). Fix your bread and butter games and people will like you again.
6. GET RID OF METZEN There, I just saved Blizzard, can I get a free blowjob now
It's the first time I even read that post you're pointing to, the one alluding to the Rocky franchise. That has nothing to do with the "lore rape" conversation I was having with that other anon.. You are a blind retard who seemingly just wants to fling his feces and argue for the sake of arguing because your post has nothing to do with what I was saying.
And you still don't know what "lore" means. Go get a dictionary, and educate yourself for once in your life, you fool.
Diablo 3 is the only Blizzard game right now worthy of praise. It has redeemed itself and then some. It's already surpassed D2 in my opinion. Seasons are easily one of the best things to happen to the genre.
>>322875650 You don't get how PvP worked back then. Meeting a fully PvE geared player was really fun, since they were basically glass cannons compared to a fully geared PvP player. They were squishy as fuck.
Going into PvP with PvE gear was a high risk, high reward kind of playstyle.
>>322897057 Wise man here. Blizzard is trying to seize the Zeitgeist far too late and is trying to muscle into dominated genres.
Hearthstone will not trump Magic the Gathering.
Heroes of the Storm will not trump League of Legends.
Overwatch will not beat Call of Duty.
Diablo 3 and StarCraft 2 were fucking trash. Jay "Fuck that guy"'s comments gives you the impression they know and willingly just want to ride on brand name alone to wow their fanbase into pouring hundreds into polished turds.
All they're doing is diluting their blizzdrones, perhaps getting them interested in other genres and making them realize there are better options out there.
I definitely think an entirely fresh, new start would do them a world of good. Don't rip off something else, aim for something entirely new and do that. But, seeing how creatively bankrupt Blizzard is, I doubt it will happen.
>>322903179 >hearthstone rakes in more cash than Magic >Diablo 3 has completely turned around and is an enjoyable game >Wow still rolling in cash >overwatch is going to be a huge hit >heroes of the storm is fun and isn't trying to stump league of legends
>>322905242 >I played the first part of SC2 (Wings of liberty or whatever it was) but didn't even bother buying the next ones. Same. That and what I heard of D3 during blizzcon was when I truly gave up on blizzard.
>>322869012 Gib back Warcraft III and Diablo II, I want to play with people again. Do it by making hd remakes of said games so they don't look like shit. Make new expansion for Warcraft III and improve it's map editor. Don't fuck this up like in SC 2 where Blizz claims all rights to every map people create. Or alternatively send me back in time, I had so much fun with simple shit back then, even building a base was awsome. I want it back. That's all really.
>>322869012 -add coop campaign to starcraft 2 -make a new diablo that goes back to d1/2's artstyle and gameplay but with harder difficulty options -add more depth to Hots, more meaningful costumization for the heroes, more options to do on the maps -make Overwatch a tps -and uhm... make a new mmo? wow still isn't bad but only autists didn't burned out of it after 12 years. Releasing some reskinned content every year won't change that much.
>>322869419 >They're lazy Except they aren't. Blizz/Activision regards themselves as "thrifty". Or in other words, all their budget goes into marketing, and after you buy the game they don't give a fuck whether you actually liked it. The only reason Blizzard still posts games under the Blizzard brand is because it was so obviously trusted by its fans. They'd always released games that were huge leaders in their genre. These days they release schlock, but fanboys STILL think the company is going to turn around.
The brand still has power, but let's face it, their marketers have to face it - release too much under-developed rot and eventually people aren't going to get hyped for "Blizzard's TF2 with ultimates", or "Blizzard's DotA with less flexibility", or "Blizzard's game that is set in space and can't decide if it's about dicking an alien girl, a prophecy, or what. Also check out BattleDRM.net 2.0, it's worse for players than the old Battle.net in most conceivable ways."
>>322909984 Not shit, but... "easy mode" -- like going to a hot tub after you'd spent some time with people trying to drown you in a rough game of water polo, surrounded by sharks. Its interface was leagues ahead of anything out at the time, to the point where most hardcore MMO enthusiasts that I had the... uh... "pleasure" of knowing were pretty united in saying "every game ever made from now on should use WoW's UI. Every Game."
>>322909940 Yeah. Legion will be in the same vein as WoD. Content enough to keep you subbed for the first two or three months of release, and then you're hit with a massive wall of boring repetitive content that you either force yourself to do or you drop sub.
By the time new content is out, you either lost all hype and don't feel like wasting money on a sub for a month, or you've burned yourself out already and can't get excited for content you're literally forcing yourself to play through.
>>322910659 The mouse controls, the movement, the button placement -- everything was polished so far beyond what was currently on the market that going back to the other MMOs felt like returning to DOS itself. You wouldn't know that because the first MMO you ever played was probably something that came out last year.
Confirmed for never playing vanilla. You literally sat in zones for days, sometimes weeks, just killing monsters to level up because the zone was either unfinished with no fucking quests, or the quests in the zone did fuckall for your experience bar and you'd run out of quests before you were of level to go to the next zone.
Also attunement quests. That shit was literally the embodiment of "BACK IN MY DAY WE HAD TO WALK 15 MILES UPHILL IN THE SNOW BOTH WAYS IN ONLY A THIN TEE SHIRT, SHORTS, AND NO GOD DAMN SHOES" except 30 times worse.
It was more like "BACK IN MY DAY WE HAD TO WALK 60 MILES UPHILL IN THE SNOW ON A BED OF USED NEEDLES TO GET A STICK THAT WOULD LET ME WALK UP A 90 DEGREE CLIFF WITH NO CLIMBING EQUIPMENT WHILE A HOARD OF BABIES SHAT DOWN DIARRHEA ALL OVER THE CLIFF JUST TO GET A STONE THAT LET YOU GO BACK TO THE STICK PLACE TO TALK TO A MAN WHO WILL SEND YOU BACK UP SHIT CLIFF TO TALK TO ANOTHER MAN WHO WANTS YOU TO GET A SAMPLE OF DUST FROM HALFWAY ACROSS THE GLOBE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THE PERSON STANDING RIGHT NEXT TO HIM WHO WILL SEND YOU BACK TO THE STICK MAN WHO WILL SEND YOU BACK TO DUST MAN WHO WILL SEND YOU BACK TO STICK WHO WILL SEND YOU BACK TO THE PERSON NEXT TO DUST WHO WILL FINALLY GIVE YOU A KEY TO OPEN A CHEST TO GET THE LEAF THAT WAS ON THE TWIG YOU GOT IN THE FIRST PLACE."
>>322911843 I never played WoW after vanilla. Before WoW, I played Lineage2 and City of Heroes, Everquest, and some shitty isometric Chinese MMO. WoW operated on a completely different level. The PvP was much more forgiving for younger players (entire PvE zones), the factions gave you a full team on your side, and the PvE leveling system (no XP loss on death, no equipment loss) made it incredibly easy to play through the game without worrying about death.
Fuck you, you would KNOW this shit if you actually played those other games, fucktard.
>>322913251 >Blizzard did plenty good, you're just blinded with your hatred that you can't see it. Indeed, they did. Great music, great netcode, superb cinematics (well, not it WoW), and their animations were topnotch at their time.
And yet, you tried to defend their crappy interface. An interface so bad that everybody with half brain was using Cosmos to fix it.
>>322869012 WoW Fucking stop turning it into an outright facebook game. I know your game inspired the garbage that is facebook gaming, that doesn't mean you have to inbreed with them.
Diablo 3 I don't know. I didn't buy it when I heard it has an online only thing. Don't plan on it anytime in the future.
Starcraft II Not sure either. Improve their editor? Likely some balance issues, but that's all their games all the fucking time.
Hearthstone Give gold on losses. Seriously, fuck you Blizzard. It's almost like literal gambling here. Also: gonna say it again. Nerf Dr. Boom. Gross card. Almost 0 counterplay outside of hoping to have a silence, or being a priest that runs silence/mass dispel (no one).
Heroes of the Storm The stat squish, while thoughtful, killed melee for a lot of champions. A lot of heroes need some TLC.
Overwatch If consoles have an embarrassingly low tickrate, then there's nothing I would do other than Make Tracer even faster, and/or give her i-frames on her blink.
>D3 was such a let down I still cant really believe they didn't go down hard for that shit >MoP was actually decent for a while, then you realize theres no content, no reason to even get flying and unless you raid there aint shit to do cuz pvp is GARBAGE and the game is asocial you only group for things you really need >hrhrhrbl
I'll still play WoW on and off because stockholm syndrome like fuck but theres no way I'd ever buy another blizzard product. Seems we wont have to either, instead of make good games and keep whatever "loyal" fanbase they once had they'll just shit out lame millenial games like overwatch and hearthstone.
It's weird growing up playing warcraft 2 on bnet when you were 7 now looking at what blizzard has become, and you cant really go "MUH NOSTALGIA" because I'd imagine like me a lot of people here still boot up d1 and 2, hell I don't even like RTS and suck at them but still play broodwar once in a while.
>>322913572 im not the guy you replied to in the previous post the interface was functional enough that it didn't bother people, it might surprise you but the majority aren't using a custom ui, which is the reason most developers ripped it off thinking they had to emulate wow as much as they can so they could steal some their crowd
>>322914421 >the interface was functional enough that it didn't bother people I can agree with that. But the other guy was like "vanilla WoW interface was the shit since the start and addons didn't improved it", pretty different opinion.
make a good game to my tastes centered around diablo, starcraft or i guess warcraft even though it has always been my least favorite of the blizzard games.
honestly no other game released by blizzard interests me enough to even bother trying it because I have not been very impressed with what they did with wow,diablo3, or starcraft2.
If they made diablo 4, or starcraft ghost, or world of warcraft 2 or something and it was amazing i would play it and maybe be more interested in gaming news related to blizzard. until then i wont be touching anymore blizzard games because im just not that interested.
I bought starcraft 2 because brood war was one of my favorite games as a kid. it was enjoyable though a little disappointing. I got the protoss campaign as well though it didnt hold my interest enough for me to finish it yet. Im at the point now where i feel like the game series i loved as a kid is over now and even if blizzard released a new game called starcraft 3 i wouldnt be interested unless i heard it was comparable to brood war.
>>322914068 Higher fall from grace. They USED to be an industry leader. They were THE company for RTS games, for example, but SC2 is ass. Fanboys say it isn't ass, but it's ass. Diablo II was huge, but Diablo III was ass. Overwatch is ass.
Now don't get me wrong, all this shit is fun for a little while up front, but none of it is fun on repetition. Nothing they've sold recently has been $60 worth of fun. $30 maybe, but not $60. The TF2 knockoff shouldn't cost jack to play, and SC2 now has free multiplayer but I won't even touch SC2 anymore in spite of being an RTS junkie. SC2 it's a stale, practically solved game, and being competitive in that is ass.
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