>>322860585 >Undertale, the best art videogame Debatable. I wouldn't classify it as art, personally. Does it convey any messages aside from the bullshit people are looking too far into? Does it leave an insightful impact on the player after they've played it?
Because it's a game. The rich 1% want to enforce that games of any sort that aren't the sweaty and violent sport are kids toys. That's why we don't have families sitting down after dinner playing a good VG that isn't Mario Party or D&D.
>>322860779 >Does it convey any messages aside from the bullshit people are looking too far into? Does it leave an insightful impact on the player after they've played it? First of all, Utilitarian art isn't the only kind of art that exists. Second of all, anyone can call parts of a game "bullshit people are looking too far into" because they're too retarded to understand the implications or outright statements of the contextual evidence presented. Third of all, yes, there is. Even if it's as shallow as "Don't kill and don't be killed." Of course, if I were to talk about the deeper/complex messages of Undertale, I'd write an essay.
>>322859629 >you're reading too deep into things that aren't there Those shits exist for every genre. There's a distinction between interpreting the intention of the author/director and reading too much into nothing and it doesn't depend on how hard you want to think.
>>322859629 Because people (read: idiots) are desperate for everybody to take video games seriously. Quality will speak for itself, it doesn't need a bunch of retards showing off a few artsy fartsy games to the world as if they need to be compared to art of other mediums.
>>322860779 >"Does it convey any messages aside from the bullshit people are looking too far into?" >2015+1 >Seriously asking that question >Not already knowing that pretentious "art"works with apparent 2deep4u meanings but actually devoid of all content is the norm everywhere Why do you think there's idiots going out there calling anything art with a straight face, even if it's a steaming piece of fresh shit? Why do you think Underfags are this self-absorbed and autistic to defend a simple game?
Also >>322865431 Things like this doesn't need to be defended, they have to prove their worth themselves.
>>322859629 I don't see how utilizing symbolism or irony rhetorically establishes something as being deep. Anyone can use symbolism or irony; it's more important how it's used or for what point it is trying to make.
I don't know how can people like Zelda games, they're pure shit for brainless retards. >bad combat >poor mechanics all around >uninteresting kid-tier puzzles >generic artstyle >generic villains And the only defence you faggots will have for it will be
MUH ATMOSPHERE MUH CHARACTERS(aka. autism) MUH NOSTALGIA I'VE PLAYED IT WHEN MY WIFE'S SON WAS FUCKING BITCHES IN OTHER ROOM
>>322859629 Because videogame are considerably new and were born in a time period where even art itself can be not considered art. The fanbase attacking any kind of study or criticism of the medium doesn't help either.
>>322869016 you forgot to mention >Fictional characters and their fictional, super-expressive(so autistic kids know what's up) interactions >>322869087 >I can't think of a game that has puzzles that aren't "uninteresting kid-tier puzzles". Play more adventure games.
>be me >23 >play first Zelda game in 2010 It's fucking Spirit Tracks >shit is actually good >whathaveibeenmissing.png >go deeper, get a 3DS to try Ocarina of Time in 2011 It's so fucking good >Upgrade to the 3DS XL >Let non-gamer friend borrow 3DS and OoT He fucking adored it >Friends dad takes notice >Buys a 3DS >Gets OoT Thoroughly impressed, bought A Link Between Worlds later because he enjoyed it so much >check /v/ before bed >see this post >mfw
The Legend of Zelda is a hallmark franchise, deal with it anon.
the problem is that people don't know what art is, which allows opportunistic moralists and/or scammers convince people it's about spreading information (or bullshit) rather than experiencing stimulation.
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