which one is better and why?

>>322831798
I've only played Shovel Knight and it's a decent game but it has some flaws. The boss battles are the best part, if the game was just based around battles it would probably be a 10/10 but the platforming isn't fucking fun. It's just a lame grind you have to make to get to the good part. If it was a multiplayer game it'd be a ton better. It's lazy that they barely even re-did any levels to work around the Plague Knight DLC and some bosses are either too easy or too much of a pain to deal with because they were designed around Shovel Knight somewhat. The platforming works againt you in a fair amount of instances too, which is the game's low point for both Knights. The idea of the characters is neat but when you get down to it, there's not much character to explore in any of the Knights. Which is fine, it is an Indie game after all. Other low points include 'inspiration,', aka uninspired content. I mean I get the whip guy is supposed to be a nod to Castlevania and the Knights are kinda based around the Megaman guys and so on but the game does have that somewhat uninspired rip off feel that every fucking indie game has.

As for Shantae, I'm not a pathetic neet who needs several sets of tits on my games cover to be interested in it. Haven't touched it, won't. I'm sure the game is nothing but pandering and cutesy anime shit.

>>322832663
Sounds like you're just bad at platforming mate

>>322831798
Don't do this man. Pitting these two against each other just feels wrong.

>>322832663
And here, anons, we have a perfect example of someone so far up their own ass I'm amazed they haven't imploded. Try and avoid this kind of faggotry unless you want to be an absolutely unbearable waste of space that even a dog wouldn't love, much less their own mother.

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Rotty is best.

>>322832847
No, it's just not a proper thing to focus around a game like Shovel Knight. I look at Donkey Kong and Mario games and the entire game is revolved around it, hurting enemies usually requires you to platform to or off of them and it works. Also in Tropical Freeze's case, the levels were designed very well, it's clear they even thought of the speedrunners in it because there were so many shortcuts you could use. The enemies weren't AI based, they were more or less moving hazards or platforms you had to use to progress, which is good it all flows and you don't have to wait or stop.

With Shovel Knight, again it's not god-awful or anything but it's design is messed up. The enemies are just kind of there and they make you stop to deal with them if they're in the wrong spot. It's like unless it's a little bug or rat or something, the enemies in SK are the Hammer Bros of the game and when you're doing a speedrun or just want to get to the end, you have to stop to deal with the enemies or one of those scrolling screens in several of the levels. I felt like in SK you're just really limited in what you can do, but in Mario (excluding power ups) or DK, even when all they can do is jump it feels like it's all you need because it is all you need. Also the knockback from hitting an enemy in Shovel Knight is a shitty addition. You get pushed if you hit them and you get pushed if you get hit. And again it's really not that bad for going through one time, but replaying and going for feats is just a huge fucking chore

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>>322833621
truth

SK feels a little too slow and not a precise as I'd like it. Shantae just keeps getting better as more come out.

Fuck Meme Knight, Shantae is better

shovel knight is some ok indie shit with some generic goon guy as a mascot.

shantae is an IP that's existed for over a decade on various multiple systems, has good gameplay, and has a cute girl as a mascot that actually has a personality.

it's retarded that the two are constantly compared just cause autists and 12 year olds think that being indie is a proper category for games and developers and ignore all that Wayforward has made.

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Shovel Knight was a good game, never played Shantae, the reason I never played Shantae was honestly because of the character. Bland as hell. If someone asked me to draw some chick from Dubai or some shit, there's a 90% chance it would be Shantae. Shovel Knight is something special, that's not how I would draw a 'knight' if asked, he's got viking horns on his helmet, he's broad as hell but incredibly small and somehow they managed to make him adorable af. Shovel Knight is something at least somehwat unique with his shovel, Shantae is fucking Jasmine with purple hair.

>>322834932
agree. SK gets staler the more you play.

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>>322831798
Neither

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>>322831798
>megaman or castlevania, which one is better?

To be fair though, SK is worse than Megaman and Shantae is worse than any Castlevania medtroidvania.

>>322836447
That game is worse than both the Zero and ZX series.

>>322834235
>It's like unless it's a little bug or rat or something, the enemies in SK are the Hammer Bros of the game and when you're doing a speedrun or just want to get to the end, you have to stop to deal with the enemies or one of those scrolling screens in several of the level
I've never read anything more wrong.

>>322834524
>rotting, stincking, puss and maggot infested vagina

>>322831798
the perspective of that shovel is fucking with my brain
it looks like a Z with it's shading
The hilt is attached at a slant into the hand guard
the hand guard is facing away from shantae as well as the base of the shovel
then the shovel head is coming out sideways
im fucking confused dudes

>>322837021
>not wanting puss for lubricant
>not wanting maggots to crawl around on your dick
are you gay by chance?

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>>322831798
Cave Story is the true answer

>>322837253
unforgiving game with mediocre to ear-grating music. pretty okay but not very fun to play through. plus furry fanbase. no thanks.

though it's free on the PC so can't complain about that.

Undertale is better than both

>>322837876
we're talking about games here

>>322837253
>that obvious undertale ripoff

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>>322832663
And I'm pretty sure you're a prejudice jackass

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>>322836221
nice joke bro

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>>322833621
>>322834524
You call that a bloody zombie?

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Played both games and liked both, but I gotta say spade crusader was better. I felt like I had a whole lot more fun in SK than in the Shantae games, especially with Plague Knight.

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>>322831798
>whynotboth.png

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>>322838243
>undertale ripoff
Cave story came out first mate

>>322837763
>Cave Story music
>Ear-grating
I mean, the game's soundtrack can be ear grating at some parts since it's just beeps and boops, but I really wouldn't call the entire thing ear grating. There's some good songs.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=rnMlebxoG4E

>>322844104
>Falling for the weakest bait imaginable

>>322844525
>Reading comprehension
God fucking damnit, every time. Still though, I wouldn't say Cave Story doesn't have a single above mediocre track.

>>322844525
>I really wouldn't call the entire thing ear grating. There's some good song

that's why i said it ranges from mediocre (in my opinion) to ear-grating. 8-bit beep boops are fucking terrible and Cave Story seems to be loaded with them ugh. there are some fairly decent tunes though.

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>ITT: Faggots who don't even know what the real Indie Game King is

>>322837253
How would /v/ have reacted to Cave Story if it were released now?

>>322845037
>8-bit boops are terrible
NOW YOU HOLD ON JUST A FUCKING SECOND

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-J0H5ah1G7A

>>322845470
Tumblr-tier pixelshit shovelware game
There

>>322845260
Sure I do. It's Cave Story.

>>322845470
Depends on how many threads about it would get made here. The louder a community is on /v/, the more people hate it. It's actually as simple as that.

>>322845640
I think you mean Iji senpai.

>>322845819
Shit, I forgot about Iji. Iji's pretty fucking good too.

>>322845528
Seriously, how the fuck did they make NES music this good? What sort of witchcraft did they use?

>>322845906
>NES music
Anon..

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I bought both during the sale and finished them. They're both great but I prefer Shantae because it's funnier and the girls make me feel funny inside. Pirate's curse is the first game on steam where I got all the achievements.

>>322845260
COOTIES

I need a fucking release date for Half-Genie Hero already, WayForward said an update will come soon and the Nintendo site still says Winter 2016 I REALLY hope it doesn't get delayed out of nowhere to summer or some shit....

>>322845528
stopped after 6 seconds. holy fucking shit that is annoying.

>>322847112
i was planning to buy Shovel Knight but i went to my local Gamestop and tried it out for a bit and got bored before even finishing the first level.

i did buy Pirate's Curse though and it's probably the most fun i've had on my 3DS so far. plus boobies in 3D and shipping potential between the girls.

i don't have a lot of games on it though, just Sm4sh, SM3DL, Stretchmo, and Happy Home Designer (i regret the last one and is thinking of selling it. shame on me. well at least i got it for free).

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Shantae is a nice game and got pretty great once the pirate gear and dance moves

Shovel knight by itself sucks, but plague of shadows makes the game fucking amazing

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>>322836447

>>322831798
One of them is a shitty cash grab with no creativity that had to rip off other classics while not being as good as them and the other one is a unique polished gem that was actually made by competent devs. I'll let you guess which one is which.

>>322831798
I like both equally much. The style and gameplay are so different from each other.

>>322847382
Not everyone can enjoy 8-bit music.
That one is amazing, though. The mixture of beat and how it sounds like someone's going metal solo on a keyboard is amazing.

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>>322845528
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypNPxwnppU0

>>322849096
former is SK and latter is Shantae?

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Cave Story is the godfather of Indie Games, and overall it is the best

But fuck I love Freedom Planet, and Lilac is cute! CUTE!

>>322849014
Azure Striker Gunvolt sucks though Inti Creates are great at character designs.

>>322849769
I thought it was fine, but I never did end up finishing it.

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>>322849725
>cute! CUTE!
i think you mean Milla

Since we're going for old school, I present you... MYTH!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLce5idrFbs

>>322831798
You can't really compare a franchise with 3 or 4 games with another that has only one, even if they have some of the same people on the dev team.

Aesthetically Shantae is better looking though.

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>>322850053
Milla is a close second

>>322849963
so it was mediocre to you? the demo didn't grab my interest one bit.

Shovel Knight is a better game, Shantae is a much better character. Shantae games are just okay but the cute characters really sell them.

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>>322850207
Lilac is pretty cute but she doesn't really look like a dragon to me. plus puppies are the best.

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>tfw you beat Propeller Knight as Plague with zero upgrades before he was nerfed

>>322850470
Milla looks more like a rabbit than a dog though, anon

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>>322850253
I don't want to say mediocre, but kind of, yeah? I thought it was fun at first, but it felt like bits of it were missing, and I guess I just moved into other games and away from it.
It didn't help that it turned out that a lot of content was cut.

>>322849543
the first 6 seconds or so is ear-grating but the rest seems pretty nice.

>>322847382
the first 6 seconds were the worst tho. the song gets pretty hype after a bit

>>322850180
well i'm comparing the latest game, Pirate's Curse, to Shovel Knight.

i agree that Shantae looks much better though.

>>322850574
>Milla looks more like a rabbit than a dog though.
well at least to me she looks like something. i have no idea what Lilac is supposed to be the first time i saw her.

>>322850853
It's C64, so you can't blame it being slightly wonky at times. But like you say, the rest is nice.

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>>322850612

>>322837253
>He's so pure he didn't need a kick starter
>he's so pure he never got an amiibo
Pixel has been reduced to creating phone games. Why must he suffer?

Shovel Knight is pretty damn good. The game play is tight and the music is outstanding. Shantae is okay at best and only continues to get more games because gamers are a horny bunch who will buy anything with cute girls.

>>322852564
(you)

>>322851792
Gunvolt needs to get out too

>>322853127
Shantae is the only one who should be in that picture. everyone else out.

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>>322847112
Have a better version of that pic

>>322849725
>>322850053
>>322850207
>>322850470

Carol>the rest

>get bike
>hang off bars
>she clenches the motorbike between her thighs

>>322831798
If they fight shantae loses to shovel knight's____dick_______

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>>322831798
IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR WHY ISN'T SHE IN SMASH

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Shovel knight is an actual good game that doesn't rely on fanservice to brainwash autist virgins
you'll never see a shantae thread about anything but dumping pictures and roleplaying

>>322836509
Risky's Revenge is miles better than Super Bomb All The Floor Tiles.

>>322856073
Then how did Shantae Half-Genie Hero get funded before Pirate's Curse released? You know the one with all the fanservice that people only buy the game for....?

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>>322856073
While you have a point with the fanservice, two of the games are quite good. The first game is pretty much a better Castlevania II squished to game boy size. Its main drawbacks are the occasional leap of faith due to the small screen and the bullshit early difficulty. The third is a respectable Super Metroid clone with decent humor and solid platforming.

Risky's Revenge was okay at times, but it's a relatively halfassed sequel.

>>322831798
Shantae is a good character, but her games are bad. Shovel Knight has a great game, but he's a shit character based on a single joke that never gets a punchline. I whish Santae had Shovel Knight's gameplay.

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>>322856703
>her games are bad

>>322831798
Shantae games are pretty boring.
Dont have much going on for them outside of the artstyle.

Shovelknight was surprisingly cool but sadly too easy.
I'd like to see a Shovelknight 2.

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>>322856610
she always dressed like a slut, the people that fapped to jasmine were crazy about her slutty brown version

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>>322857017

>>322857192
so 20k+ people gave money to fund the game just to fap to her? Cool story,

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>>322857734
You say?

>>322831798
Shovel Knight is pretty good, but some of the stages go on too long and the relics feel too limited in what they can do. Also, the new game plus was really lazy and it seems odd that you're never forced to hit projectiles back at an enemy. I guess I expected something like Mega Man 9, but got Mega Man 5 instead.

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>>322857192
>shovel knight... throws in the trowel

>>322856703
more like Shantae is a good character and her games are mostly good and has their own identities. Shovel Knight is a lame character and his game is stale as fuck and only relies on classics to appeal to fans through nostalgia, hence the game having no identity. some even say Plague Knight plays much better than him.

>>322856703
>brown typical cheerleader slut
>good character

>>322832663
>I mean I get the whip guy is supposed to be a nod to Castlevania
You mean the Baz?
No he's not, he's a character that The Two Best Friends put in as a kickstarter reward

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Sonic died and Shantae took his place

>>322857827
Undertale shit, what about it? What does that have to do with what we were talking about? Stay on topic anon you're slipping.

>>322836221
You are comparing a design made in the 80s to a design made today. Think for a second

knight is better both desing and gameplay wise
shantae is for those manchild virgins who like to jack off to cartoon porn

>>322856073
So what's the five year old character it is talking about?

>>322859043
Bayonetta

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>>322859043

>>322859213
>>322859121
Oh, okay. Felt weird since her first game was released six years ago.

>>322858426
>80s
The first Shantae game came out in 2002.

>>322858743
>braindead gameplay where you just bounce off foes' heads on your shovel to win
>linear as fuck level layouts
>better design and gameplay

>cartoon porn
with better gameplay/aesthetic and fresher ideas than a literal retro copy-and-paste indieshit with no identity

>>322856073
>complaining about Bayonetta being 5 years old
>Corrin isn't even fucking out yet in the west

>>322860490
>linear is bad
worst meme

>>322858426
her latest games are even worse than the first which was already mediocre. Think for a second

>>322860709
linear is boring and not fun.

>>322860981
playing a bad game just for fap material is worse

>>322860981
Backtracking is the true boring and unfun thing.

Its just shitty padding to make your games look longer.

>>322860745
>latest game is the worst
>has virtually much more polished gameplay mechanics than both previous games, which is noted by any player who has a brain.

right.

Shovel Knight is consistently higher quality, however it is a lot shorter. The Shantae games give you a lot more bang for your buck.

Character wise Shantae has more personality and tits making her the obvious choice.

>>322861091
backtracking is one of the aspects of Metroidvanias. you backtrack once you have the appropriate power up to get access to areas you previous couldn't get to. to me that's better than running through an entire boring linear stage.

>>322846170
>>322851124
Did you click the wrong link?

>>322861141
>overrating a game to feel smarter
wow, shantaefags are even worse than I imagined

>>322861484
that's not what i'm doing.

>this level of reading comprehension
you really are brainless.

>>322861750
And no one was talking about it. They were talking about >>322845528

>>322861410
I fucked up. I thought I was replying to >>322850145

>>322832663
This bait is amazing.

>>322861892
Yeah, I realized that after answering your post.

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>>322861729
>that's not what i'm doing.
>does it again
kek, sure kid you win, unsheathe your katana now and go back to your e-cigarettes

>>322861363
>backtracking is one of the aspects of Metroidvanias
Generally boring games.
This shit ruined Castlevania because when you make a game based around backtracking it has to be piss easy.

Even Super Metroid was pretty much designed for babies.

>>322861363
>complaining about linear games while defending linear games where you have to walk on the same place several times

>>322862180
>Even Super Metroid was pretty much designed for babies.
And at the same time well polished for its time. But some people like backtracking and others don't.

>>322862313
backtracking with the proper power ups can reveal hidden areas so it's not that linear in comparison

>>322831798
>Shantae
only a faggot would pick Shantae over Shovel knight. It's pretty obvious which is better.

>>322862572
I find both equally good. Some core mechanics are different and that's why it feels refreshing playing both side by side.

>>322862419
Super Metroid is polished up to the point where everything worked perfectly, but also mindnumbingly easy.

>>322862826
I was mostly talking about Metroid for the NES and even Metroid II on gameboy, but Super Metroid is also a good example.

>>322862826
>>322862180
games are meant to be fun and engaging foremost. difficulty isn't as huge of a factor, which is why people enjoy Shovel Knight to some extent.

>>322850574
they nerfed propeller? Thank fuck for that.

>>322863637
Games can stop being engaging when there's no proper challenge and failure state.

Shovelknights biggest criticism is that its too easy.
Its still hard enough for people who arent used to games like that, but those who have been around the NES block will be done with it rather quickly.

It wouldve been a much nicer game if they stepped the difficulty up.
Oneshotting the boss rush at the end of it felt rather underwhelming.

>>322862084
>being this braindead and calling people "kid"
sure anon. sure.

>>322858342

>Like Sonic
>Like Shantae

Jesus the autism just won't stop following me.

>>322865995
Maybe because you ARE autistic? Ever think about that?

>>322832663
>I've only played Shovel Knight

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand discarded.

>>322865995
I have a strange suspicion that people who excessively use the word autism are trying to hide the fact, they have the very same disorder.

>>322866928
People here are just retarded and have a very fucking limited vocabulary.
Its why filler words like comfy and soulless are so popular in arguments here and why certain words like degenerate or autism spread in a memetic fashion.

Idiots dont know how to express themselves properly and nobody ever heard of a thesaurus.

>>322867485
>thesaurus
Neither did I until now.

>>322867676
where have you been your entire life anon?

>>322849725
Cave Story's not THAT old, is it?

>>322869830
It came out like three years before Braid, and Braid is already one of those ancient indie hits.

Cave Story is ten years old.

>>322869830
>>322870293
plus the game has such an incredible development history it sort of paves the way for later indie devs and their games

Shovel Knight is a really solid platformer with boss battles you can easily cheese, DLC was amazing

Shantae is has always been very mediocre with a nice look to it. Only gets so much love here cause Shantae is cute