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>collateral damage
Jesus what a dick
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>>322823046
Who else killed him the moment he appeared then tried to bust the kid out?
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DUDE SYNTHS LMAO
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>>322823046
>Jesus
OP, don't use triggering words when the fedoras from leddit are here
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>The world is shit, I have created paradise
>nobody is allowed to live in paradise except for me and my thousand robots

what a dick
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>>322823046
That's what your spouse is. Did you expect a 60 year old man to be emotional over a mother or father he never knew, and has had a life time to mourn? I'll agree It was probably the wrong choice of words to use to describe Nora/Nate
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>>322823046
> n-no anon, shawn does look different in each playthrough, I SWEAR IT

bethesda shills will defend this
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>>322823046
You have to understand that a prick like this that thinks of people barely surviving in a hostile wasteland as "savages" isn't really a sympathetic guy. And he had the nerve, the fucking nerve, to say they were the future of the commonwealth. Their saviors.

Fuck him and the institute.
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If you make yourself and your wife black, is he black?
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Why is the Institute focused on the whole synth thing and not something more obviously useful like space travel? They have functional teleportation. Why couldn't they expand that into setting up a base on Mars or something and eventually search for something more earthlike?

Jason Bright and his cult were a bunch of crazies but they had the right idea.
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>>322823739
It's the wording that makes hi ma dick, the already having mourned the loss of someone he never knew was an interesting analogue to Nate still grieving.
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>>322824240
>a bunch of NEETs discover the secret of waifu creation
TODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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>>322824240
>They have functional teleportation
That relies on a short-range radio frequency. How are they suppose to make it into space, and establish a base? What happens if something happens and they need to evacuate?
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>>322824240
Why are they doing stupid shit while twirling their evil mustaches for no particular reason? Shit writing.
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>Hey mum/dad, wanna join my cool club?
>No? Okay, fuck you then, I'll tell my robots to kill you
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>>322824209
No
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>>322823442
Yeah...
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>>322824965
It seems like just about every project that wasn't synth related was abandoned. The teleporter could probably been improved over time. It wouldn't be much of a stretch to reach the moon in the foreseeable future at least. They'd send Synths to do the building and send things up piece by piece.
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>>322824965
It doesn't rely on that station, they just use it to keep their signals a secret.
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>>322823442
In a game full of stupid essential characters I was surprised to find that you could kill him right from the start.
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>>322826164
If you shoot him, then what happens? Obviously you can't liberate the synth kid, but do you have to escape back via teleporter or?
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>>322823046
>Buy this a few days ago
>See this pic just now
>Read filename

This is just a dank meme right? Surely that is not my baby Shaun? Also I spent about an hour creating the perfect wife and she died in the first 5 mins wtf.
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>>322826669
I didn't actually investigate what happens. The whole Institute turns hostile and you can't do any quests for them from there on obviously but I don't know how your game would end from there.
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>>322826856
HAN SOLO IS KILLED BY HIS SUN KYLO REN
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>>322824240

Better question: Why fucking make your synths with humanlike emotions? That's a design flaw as big as giving a robot pain receptors
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>>322826856
Kill your son or nuke Boston.

>actually giving a shit about the story in a modern Bethesda game
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>>322826669
I tried and spent like an hour looking around for an exit. I couldn't find a way out at all - teleporter was disabled and every door was locked
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>>322827492

When did Bethesda ever have a good story in their games?
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>>322826856
bethesda stole the blade runner plot and executed it without giving a fuck about choice. SPACE MARINES ORKS NECRONS
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>>322828073
They should have just made a new not-Blade Runner setting and a new IP. The material was such a bad fit for Fallout.
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>>322827772
morrowind
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>>322828939

Meh
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>>322830048
the main quest isn't the story
the entire game world is the story
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>>322830231

Eh
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>>322827492

Whenever I saw this spoiler I thought you actually blew up most of the city. I didn't know it was just a small block that's not even downtown
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>>322823627
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>Institute spends countless years and resources on the synth program
>Makes a Mr. Handy with one less arm, cannot fly, and has human emotions and thoughts

>Spends 210 years underground working on tech
>Makes laser weapons that are worse than ancient laser weapons

>Summons FEV out of the aether because reasons
>Kidnaps a fuckload of people, develops the same dipping process as The Master, and releases hordes of super mutants on the surface because reasons

>Develops extremely powerful and infinitely useful teleportation technology
>A literal nobody wastelander in the Minutemen can build a teleporter also with scrap metal

Well at least their cybernetic implants somehow make a person's organic parts immortal.

Well, just one person. Because.
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>no option to join the Gunners or Children of Atom

Eat a bucket of SHIT, Todd Howard
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>>322832339

That's Toddy for you.

Seriously, it's like the guy is allergic to original ideas
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>>322823046
>gorilla fucking synths
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Kind of funny people expect anything worthwhile when Todd literally said he got the Fallout license to milk it
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>>322826164
yeah
but the game soft locks you instead though
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>>322832654
they were probably for testing, going from robots to full blown androids isn't as easy as it looks

where did they come from? no idea, maybe a zoo
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>>322826164
And barely anything happens, really.

Beth allows this to happen, and then you just leave the same way you came in. You cannot go anywhere else in the Institute, you can't murder the rest of the dumbfucks down there, nothing.

Everything in the map aggroes instantly but the doors are permanently locked and they just try to walk against the door while you see their models partially clip through.
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>>322832339
>Makes a Mr. Handy with one less arm, cannot fly, and has human emotions and thoughts

The human form is better in many ways than a Mr. Handy.

>laser weapons
Their weapons look like a result of advanced polymer technology development.

They weren't going for power, but for resource efficiency in weapon production.

>Kidnaps a fuckload of people, develops the same dipping process as The Master, and releases hordes of super mutants on the surface because reasons

They're Chaotic/Retarded Evil on the alignment chart.

>A literal nobody wastelander in the Minutemen can build a teleporter also with scrap metal

The development of the technology was tougher than it's production. That happens with technology sometimes.
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>build 2 radios
>Set them to same frequency
>Use 1 for teleportation but keep the other one in your hand while you're teleporting
>Throw the one for initial teleportation in the air
>Teleport to said teleporting radio mumbo jumbo
>While you're teleporting throw the other one in the air
>Catch the initial one and throw that one in the air
>teleport to the second one
>Infinite teleporting achieved
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>>322834763

What do you do if you piss off everyone? Most games usually have some failsafe so you can still win
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why didnt shaun use the things that gave kellogg eternal youth on himself
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>>322834751
>they were probably for testing, going from robots to full blown androids isn't as easy as it looks

No. That wasn't a portion of the road to Gen 3 technology. It's a side project that came from the research into human synth technology.
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>>322834992
>They're Chaotic/Retarded Evil on the alignment chart.

No, they're Todd copy/pasting the Master and then find/replace all references because the cunt nugget can't write for dick
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>>322835038
Minutemen are the failsafe in this one.
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>>322830231
>no quests that give more than 300 exp outside of story quests
>radiant "another settlement" quests for the rest of eternity
i've played through this game 3 times choosing each faction and man does it make no difference whatsoever.
except banecoat.
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>>322835334
Get mad at Emil "All My Stories Must Involve Some Family Drama Bullshit" Pagliarulo, not mountain man. He's the leader writer.
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>>322835978

Toddy is still at fault
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>>322835426

So even if you beat the shit out of them, they'll never turn on you?
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>>322827492
>in the actual ending you kill your son then Nuke boston

I think I would have preferred the spoiler ending.
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>>322835978
>Can handle Benny in a bunch of different ways
>Can handle Captain Crunch in exactly one way

Bethesda is so fucking incompetent it hurts my niggardly soul.

They literally cannot even copy something that a previous game did without cocking it up with Emil's hideous fucking writing.

Emil Pagliarulo could not write himself out of a fucking paper bag without filling it with plot holes, nonsensical character motivations, blatant fucking stupidity, and a screaming hell of zero internal consistency even within the same fucking game, much less previous games.
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>>322835978

He wants to eat Todd. Seriously, look that stare, he's sizing up Todd for a meal
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>>322836673
Todd is the big fish.
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>>322827221
SUN KYLO REN

It took me like 20 minutes to make this shitty pic and i feel like it wasn't worth it
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>>322836916

If fat ate fat, would they implode?
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>>322836916
For you.
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>>322827221

Literally everyone expected that since Ford said he wanted to die in the original trilogy. Fuck
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>>322836441
perhaps Froot Loops knows more about safety than some pseudo-50s gangster
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Don't know what's worse. Them pushing that eldritch shit, or the alien shit from fo3
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>>322837531
Not really. His internal thoughts lead him to believe correctly that "the old man" is setting him up to die to tie up loose ends.

So then he decided to do exactly what the old man wants and promptly gets himself killed. No other way around it because Bethesda and their "destiny" shit I guess.

Instead of making Count Chocula immortal I think it would have been better if he was some clone they keep remaking and using all the time any time he fails a mission or dies, etc. Could have made it so the one you encounter later is a completely different one from the one that shot your spouse, so you could go for revenge if you want but you would be killing someone who didn't do it. Would have fit in nicely with the whole "definition of humanity" shit that Beth was trying to incompetently shove into the game. Oh well.

Then again, why would anyone think Beth knows jack fucking shit about writing half decent villains. I mean fuck, just look at goddamn Col Autumn in FO3.
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>>322838890

That could kind of work. Maybe even apply a bit of the Venture Bros cloning wherein the memories are shared with each new clone, except Frankenberry would have a semblance of memory for every death to make him unhinged
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>>322838890
Him being easily cloned and sent out again would also be a better explanation for why he still looks young despite being 60 years older than when you last saw him than "he uses Institute technology that nobody else uses for no real reason"
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>>322826164
Game is so fucking buggy that after I killed Shaun none of the Institute turned hostile and I just walked out
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>Build robots
>Give them emotions

WHY
For what mcfucking purpose?
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>>322842264
How are you supposed to feel superior about how smart you are when your toaster doesn't feel bad when you trash talk it?
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>>322827492
>tfw you killed your son and nuked boston
synth scum
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>>322834763
Alternately, if you agree to join the Institute he opens the door for you, and then you can turn around and kill him. You then have free reign to rampage through the Institute, murdering everyone (except the children).

However, when you board the elevator to leave there's like 30 Synth troops waiting for you by the teleporter. Better save a mininuke for that or something.
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>>322842264
to make perfect waifu of course.
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>>322823046

He really is a cunt.

His mannerisms, reactions, inner thoughts, and the fact that he feels entitled to order his father around betray him for what he is: a manipulative and petty old man raised by manipulative and petty people.

He only keeps some moderate interest in you due to a fleeting and selfish desire to find out what his roots are, if you had died out in the wastes he probably would have spared a few thoughts and gone back to what he was doing.
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>>322843365

That's stupid
You're stupid
Stop being stupid
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>Todd didn't offer a "neutral" option in the main quest
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test
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>>322844639
phew, thought I was banned again
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Why is Shaun even the director?

He's nothing more than a DNA sample to the Institute. He isn't some wunderkind or something, and he had nothing to do with the organic synth program in the first place. "The Old Man" is the one who ordered the raid on Vault 111 to obtain the samples for synth production, some unnamed director from 60 years before the gameplay occurs I suppose.

Does Beth always have to go with the cliche? Or did they actually fuck up their writing yet again with a massive plothole? Is Shaun supposed to be "The Old Man"?
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>>322823046
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>>322827492
>Nuke boston
You mean the BoS area?
That's hardly the whole of Boston.
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>>322823046
daily reminder that old shaun is a synth being piloted by a younger shaun
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>>322823442
Real question is if you ate the body
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>>322845230
>cannibalism is a crime against humanity
>your followers still follow you when you do it in front of them and codsworth cracks jokes about it
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What's funnier is how the fucking nukes go off literally a minute after you agree to enter the vault.

I mean, wow, literally no other game OR film has ever had such a contrived coincidence.

Bravo, Toddy
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>>322823046
Murdered the shit out of him while he way laying in an iron lung. Fake ass android fuck. DIE!
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>Brotherhood
Bunch of fascists. Good core ideas but stupid implementation and a stupid leader who only cares about military superiority

Railroad
>literal SJW hug box that has no real plans for future. Literally endangers everyone and everything

Minutemen
>barely clinging on. Unable to do anything other than try to outbreed it's opponents

Ghouls town
>hive of scum and villainy lol. Zero planning. Zero future

Super Mutants
>literally cannot breed. Will age to existinction.

Institute
>Only ones with any kind of a plan for future. Stupidly tries to integrate instead of wiping out the enemies outright
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>>322844891

>"The Old Man" is the one who ordered the raid on Vault 111 to obtain the samples for synth production, some unnamed director from 60 years before the gameplay occurs I suppose.

I assume that scene that takes place in Kellogg's house in Diamond City takes place very recently and that the Shaun with him was synth Shau since the Courser is giving him orders to kill Virgil, and presumably he didn't put that mission off for decades.

Still doesn't add up why he's playing house with a synth though, presumably Beth just wanted to skirt around the 60 year time jump a little longer.
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>>322845627
>Institute murders a vault full of prewar people for reasons
>They seek to obtain DNA samples of people with no radiation exposure
>Manage to choose the baby and couple that literally ate a face full of nuke before they were frozen

bravo bethesda. wonderful writing as always.

not only does protag somehow survive a close range full scale nuke, but walks away with zero rads and wasn't even blinded while staring dead at it
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>>322845948
>Will age to existinction.
*die violent deaths because they are otherwise immortal
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>>322845948
>Only ones with any kind of a plan for future

>plans don't include anyone living on the surface right now


>literal SJW
meme opinions
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>>322845627
At least the nuke waited for you to enter a structure specifically designed to survive a nuclear detonation. Compare to, say, Indiana Jones where the nuke waited for Indy to find an old refrigerator can somehow protected him from the heat, pressure wave, radiation, and being thrown violently.
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>>322846293

Pretty sure Indy is implied to have suffered some radiation.
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>>322846256
Get out Railroad scum
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>>322845627
Nigger you want to talk about contrived bullshit writing?

Do Nick Valentines companion quest.

Holy fuck Bethesda please stop.
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>>322845968

It's like they didn't even know the origin of Vault Boy's thumbs up gesture
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>>322846629
I liked it until about halfway point. Do they not know what follow through is?
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>>322825661
Well that's wrong because my guy is black and my wife is white and Shaun is very black
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>>322846629

Share
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>>322845965
>Still doesn't add up why he's playing house with a synth though, presumably Beth just wanted to skirt around the 60 year time jump a little longer.

Well, that was obviously the storytelling reason, but they also pretty much outright tell you in that scene that the whole point of Frosted Flakes running around with Synth!Shaun was to bait you into going after him and eventually getting to the Institute.
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>>322824198
BoS is cancer and the railroad is a bunch of cucks
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>>322847104

So... they steal your son, put you on snooze for about 70 years... and lead you around by the nose... then just let you find your way back to your kid?

WHYY: HOME OF THE FUCKING WHAT?
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>>322847247

At least they got the elitism about BoS right. Too bad they still made them as cartoonishly overblown as the DC chapter
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>>322847409
>they steal your son
dna archetype for gen 3 synths

>70
60

>and lead you around by the noses
shaun wanted to observe you

>then just let you find your way back to your kid?
shaun's idea. he dropped clues
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>>322847698
>>7060

Potato potata
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>>322842264
Why even make them look exactly like people instead of vaguely humanoid?

There's no purpose to Gen 3 synths. You can just stop at Gen 2.
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>>322847698

That's still pretty fucking stupid
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>>322846959
Right, time to dig in.

Nick Valentine is an early generation Synth with the implanted memories of a policeman from the pre-war era.

His companion quest involves solving a 210 year old crime by tracking down the criminal who killed his fiance. The policeman's fiance from 210 years ago, no one related to present day Synth Nick. Now surely you think there is no real case here, its been 210 damned years.

Luckily, the criminal mastermind from 210 years ago has a bunker that is about two minutes away from the fiance murder he committed long ago. And as luck would have it, the criminal mastermind BECAME A FUCKING GHOUL BEFORE THE GREAT WAR EVEN OCCURRED

AND HAS BEEN CHILLING OUT IN HIS BUNKER FOR 210 YEARS. TWO MINUTES AWAY FROM WHERE HE KILLED THE FIANCE.

But wait, lets make this even more contrived. The door to the bunker is locked and you need the key code. The criminal mastermind made a series of tapes detailing his nefarious deeds, and each tape has a number corresponding to the code for his bunker.

To find these tapes, you have to go to different police stations around Boston, look up the evidence manifests on police computers, and go out into the wasteland to find each tape. Luckily, every single tape is fully intact after 210 years, all the police stations and police computers are fully intact, and every evidence log is perfectly accurate to lead you to every tape laying about in perfect condition. So you gather all the tapes, get all the numbers, enter the bunker, and blast the ghoul criminal away.

Two hundred and ten fucking years after the crime. All this contrived mess to give Synth Nick some forced closure.

Are you fucking bullshitting me Bethesda?
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I really want to like the Institute, like they have all that advanced tech that could lead to a new golden age but holy shit, the writers fucked up and left like no good reasons to like them while keeping shitloads of reasons to dislike them.
>reading about the Warwick farm on a terminal
>replaced the guy with a synth
they could have easily just started a new farm somewhere else.
>new super plants that survive in shitty soil
okay, thats actually very useful. maybe forgive the synth replacement part...
>then when trials are over, burn it and the humans there down
and that's why no one likes the damn Institute, shit like that.
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>>322848023
yes, but i prefer accurate complaints
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>>322847934

Infiltration is the only thing I can think of to justify perfectly human looking bots. Even then, all it takes is simple as hell programming to make sure they can't defect/go rogue
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>>322848331

That don't enter into it. It's all stupid as shit
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>>322848289
>BECAME A FUCKING GHOUL BEFORE THE GREAT WAR EVEN OCCURRED

How?
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>>322848289
I expected Eddie to be dead or feral.
When I opened that door and saw a completely lucid ghoul... well, I was surprised, but for the wrong reason. How utterly anti-climactic
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>>322848368
the thing with them is they design these synths to look absolutely identical to humans, program them to act as human as possible for better infiltration, then are surprised when a synth programmed to be exactly like a human begins to think and have free will like a human.
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>>322848570
He thought radiation would make him immortal, so he bombarded himself with it. Nick even suspects he may have been the very first ghoul.

Seriously, I'm not making this up.
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>>322848670

So they are doing it for infiltration? Why? They have the tech to overpower with weapons, can probably make good enough armor to boot. WHY fucking infiltrate? This ain't the damn pre-war era anymore. Only time infiltration even made sense is with the NCR and Legion, since the two were basically in a lockup until the second Dam War
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>>322848803

And just when I thought the Mothership Zeta nonsense was retarded enough. Good Lordy, Todd
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>>322848289
At least tell me the sum'bitch had gone feral, so there's a bit of emptiness to the whole ordeal. Because a ghoul being locked in a bunker for 210 years would have gone feral from the isolation. We even see that several times in Fallout 4. That Lovecraftian cult in that one marble quarry, the poor bastard locked in one of those survival pods, the anti-government whackjob building a mininuke in his basement, etc.
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>>322848570
He purposely irradiates himself, and magically becomes the canon first ghoul in the Fallout universe.

Bethesda quality.
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>>322849002

I thought Ghouls only went feral from too much radiation?
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>>322849039

>Jet is prewar
>Some faggot becomes a ghoul "before it was cool!1 XP"
>China attacked first

God figgering damn, it's like Bethesda wants there to be no sense of wonder about what happened before the war
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>>322849002
Nope. He is perfectly sane and is wearing a very nice and clean outfit too.
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>>322849227
>China attacked first
Did Fallout 3 and 4 only confirm the chinese had nuclear subs on the eastern sea board?
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>>322849103
>As the reasoning and critical thinking portions of a ghoul's brain deteriorate, the ghoul subject becomes increasingly hostile, giving in to a carnal need to feed. It remains unclear exactly what precipitates this change in neurobiology and psychology, but anecdotal evidence seems to indicate that non-social ghouls, or those in isolation, are more prone to the condition.

That's what the Fallout wiki says, anyway. Don't know what in-game source this comes from.

>>322849270
And was he alone in his bunker? Any other ghouls or even robots to interact with?
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>>322849405

It pretty much shows someone attacking America first in the start of FO4. Not to mention there's something about China having jets by ones of the seaboards around the hour that shit went down.
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>>322849456

I don't know, Raul clearly lived on his own for a fairly good portion of his newly irradiated life after losing his sister. And yet he didn't seem close to turning.
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>>322823046
Okay, I recently finished the game and was getting so frustrated with the shitty dialogue choices while talking to institute members so I didn't even bother talking to everyone.

Why were synths the future of humanity? What made making ultra-realistic human impersonating robots the key to humanity's future? What was their goal? What was going on with the super mutant tanks (never saw it in game, just saw an image)?
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>>322849625
>Not to mention there's something about China having jets by ones of the seaboards around the hour that shit went down.
To be fair, the US probably had the same capacity to deploy air power at that point over china.

>>322849754
Raul wasn't locked in a room. He could travel, meet people, see new things, ect.
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>>322849754
Yeah, that's true. Still, at least he was out and about doing things, not cooped up in one secluded location the whole time.
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>>322832339
Well sorry but i cant fuck a mister handy.
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>>322850317
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>>322850238
>>322850276

He still implies that he kept his distance from most people, and not just because of the ghoul prejudice.

Besides, ain't there something about a kid who became a ghoul while staying locked in a fridge in the game since the war?
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>>322850653
>Besides, ain't there something about a kid who became a ghoul while staying locked in a fridge in the game since the war?
Yes. Without food or freedom or movement.
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>>322832654
Not gonna lie, I lol'd pretty hard when you're storming the institute and the gorillas actually attack you
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Question

House vs the Institute

who wins?
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>>322850767

So... how the fuck was he not feral if isolation is supposedly the biggest factor in becoming rabid?
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>>322850954

House. He knows how to play sides and get the best results from things without dragging his feet or making idiotic decisions
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>>322851015
We don't know. Its probably genetic imo.
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>>322851148

Eh, that'd be a little cheap though. Of course, I wouldn't put it past Beth to have something like "everyone in America was given a sampling of FEV, just enough to make their genes a wild pool for whatever atomic destruction wreaks"
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>>322848323
>>replaced the guy with a synth
I thought it was fucking weird how you get this quest and you don't even get a choice to turn it down, as if there's nothing wrong with this
>>then when trials are over, burn it and the humans there down
jesus christ what the fuck for?
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>>322849858
terminals in that part of the bioscience lab pretty much confirms they were performing FEV experiments on people and killing them after
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>>322851910
There's no need for the government to be involved.

Some people die when exposed to rads, some turn into ghouls, from there some stay sane and some go feral, then some stay sane for 200+ years and counting and some go feral after a while.
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>>322852338
>and killing them after
and releasing some cause lol
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>>322852480

This is Beth. They'd shoehorn the Gubamint, aliens, or CHTHULLU because they can
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>>322850317
there literally was a mr.handy called fisto
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>>322853297
fisto was a protectron and a gentle lover.
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>>322852996
>can buy the alien blaster from normal merchants in fallout 2 having never encountered the alien easter egg
CANON
A
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Ghost are Canon
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>>322852996
>or CHTHULLU
what?
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>>322853382
oh right my bad
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>>322853987

That fucking Dunwich shit or whatever from FO3 comes back
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>>322848570
IT
JUST
WORKS
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>>322854135
Speaking of spooky shit
>go to Salem
>just a bunch of mire lurks
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>>322855240
>just a bunch of mire lurks
you too. i was ready for something paranormal.
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>>322830685
well then you can go fuck off back to call of duty
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>>322857337

Wow, it took you like 5 hours to make newfag response.

Fuck off, brat
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>>322827492
my son died of cancer and i was never even given the choice to nuke boston
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>>322846762
Post ss
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>>322857469
Your the fucking brat that cannot be fucking pleased, i bet your the kinda of person that shit talk about everything.
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>>322859545

No, you're the brat because you're either not the same guy as before and are shitposting like a newfag for the sake of starting shit. Or you're just being a whiny bitch because someone mildly disagreed with you. Fuck off, child.
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>>322848289
Would have been better if the bunker was way out in the middle of nowhere, and all that was in the bunker were rotted out appliances and a skeleton
Then Nick comments on the futility of it all and then more dialogue
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>>322850954
House because he is actually intelligent and Securitron mkIIs would mop the floor with coursers. Not to mention he could probably hack them given he is a mechanical genius
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>>322850954

House w/ end game courier > Institute w/ end game ss
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>>322839367
So.. a little like Duncan Idaho almost?
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>>322844608
actually there "is one", but it's convoluted to pull off and probably not meant to have been done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUFEeYdQnVc
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>>322826669
According to the wiki two armies of 70 synths attack you.
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>>322832339

nah if you listen to your character when you search kellog, he says that barely anything human is left, im assuming the institute replaced parts of him as they started to wear out
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>Sends his thug robots after me and my Minute men
>Tries to play the Victim when retaliated against

NICE TRY DICKHOLE. YOU WERE THE BEST HOPE FOR HUMANITY UNTIL YOU STARTED KILLING PEOPLE AND REPLACING THEM FOR NO REAL REASON

Honestly though their motives were retarded.

Enjoy hell
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>>322865924

Find it pretty unlikely someone in the BoS would be just fine with tech being lost like that
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>>322855240
>>322855507
you guys only got lurks?

I got a legendary glowing deathclaw.
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>>322866242
Same here, it's a little better ending...

can't wait for the geck and for for people to overhaul the game, even if it takes a few months.
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>>322832339
>>322834992
Don't forget that the Relay interceptor had to be figure out first by someone who already had some familiarity with the tech and the damn thing irreparably breaks after one use and is only able to teleport in one person at a time. (Seriously, tried to bring Paladin Danse with me because I was trying to RP my guy figuring he'd be busting his son out.)

It's still pretty bad writing.
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>>322866492

Would it be possible to rework the proper SPECIAL back in? Or would that pretty much be impossible given the mess Todd made it into?
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>>322866232
>mfw that fucking fight at the castle
So many lasers, used like 45 stimpaks
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Lore Rape and inconsistencies aside, they dropped the ball on the Institute. The game builds it up and it goes into a whole different direction. Ruins the mood and pacing. I was ready to finish the game and find Shaun but just got a bunch of short "quests" delaying the inevitable fight against them.
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>>322850954
The House always wins.
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>>322866918
no idea, potentially it is possible, the question really is how hard will it be and will there be modders willing to put in the time to get it done.
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>>322845089
>>322845705
Really, I had no idea.
sauce?
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>>322867405

If someone is dedicated enough to make realistic nude bodies, then making SPECIAL the way it's meant to be probably shouldn't be too hard unless it requires rewriting every character
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>>322825973
That's probably because of Shaun.
Also, the Institute probably planned on eventually replacing all humans with synths, and then ruling over them as overlords.
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>>322867539
....fair enough. It's kinda hard to refute that point.
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>>322867671

Well, I'd be foolish to just assume tweaking the mechanics of a character is as simple as reskinning them. But still yea, if someone has the dedication to make detailed content of the adult nature, surely there's plenty of others more into reworking the internal aspects of NPCs
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>>322848570
Everything actually happened before the bombs fell.
I even found X-01 armor in a military bunker in the glowing sea.
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>>322864950
SS is so much stronger than the Courier it's not even funny.
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>>322868046

Hard to say. Courier who has done received the unique gifts of Zion, acquired all augmentations in both the Big MT and Mojave clinic, braved the Divide, and accessed the tech of the Sierra Madre would be quite the force to reckon with
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>>322823046

>me base is being attacked
>reach home
>enemy is lying on ground
>GHOUL SYNTHS !!


I was like wtflol
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>>322868308
>GHOUL SYNTHS !!


Wait what? I found the cow synths but ghoul synths now?
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>>322832654
I took their meat, wondering if I could cook something unique out of it.
Sadly, apparently you cant.
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>>322835278
>HAVE SCIENCE GONE TOO FAR ????
>YES
>NO
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The Institute should have had more stuff to them than just the damn synths. At one point in the development, there may have been plans for such.
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>>322868758
Also, apparently the synths at one point were planned on having internal weaponry built into their bodies.
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>>322868308
>>322868356
I still find it strange how, last time I went on a massive rampage and killed everyone in the institute, I didn't find a single Synth Component among any of the Coursers or the normal synths.

It had me wondering if sometimes the Institute forgets who is what.
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>>322868356
Where did you find cow synths ?

I think beth's scripting just made synth spies appear on random population however their code logic ended up including ghouls from the population.

Logically story wise, why the fuck would institute make ghouls ? haha.

Programing/development wise, i felt like they rushed the game out.
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>>322868046
SS is much weaker. He's not augmented in the slightest. The greatest feat the SS does is kill a Courser, and the Courier would actually have an EASIER time doing that.
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>>322868820
>pick up a synth rifle
>blocks 30% of the screen
thanks todd
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>>322868835

it was attacking sanctuary actually.
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>be me
>noone ever attacks my settlements

Do they have to be built until I can place objects anymore? All my settlements have a shitload of people, generators but also like 300+ in defense with 932481 turrets.
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>>322869789
you need more turrets
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>>322869789
I've put in about 50 hours and had exactly 3 instances of a settlement being attacked. Once, I fast traveled to that spot and then nothing happened except the settlers went to sleep. The second time, the tooltip popped up and then immediately cleared, as if I had completed the objective. And the final time like 5-6 Raiders showed up with no warning.

I don't know what causes it.
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>>322869789
One time I got attacked by mole rats at the gas station.
I'm suprised it doesn't happen more often since there are like 20 totally unguarded settlements out there. Never bothered with security since it says they want you to have as much rating as food + water and that would mean just stacking 10 turrets on top of each other or just deleting most of the default resources. Both are totally stupid.
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>>322869984
>>322869789
Settlements are only attacked if theyre vulnerable, or have less defense than food or water combined.
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>Bethesda writing
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>>322869789
low defense helps, but high defense also can sometimes not help too.

Greygarden was my "bastion of science and agriculture" and basically had a ziggurat built around it loaded up with a silly ammount of heavy laser turrets.

I got a notification that greygarden was under attack and I guess a couple of behemoths hit the place because when I went there everything was broken and all the robots were dead.

Meanwhile at the county crossing I happened to make it there and had to fight off 5 waves of gunners while my two residents hid out under their beds or something...was interesting to say the least.
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bug posting time !
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>>322870856

>Look at this fucking faggot, NOT slunk down inside the floor
>Yea, what a pleb
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>>322871119
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>>322870902
Clippings man, they have tons of these issues all the fucking time everywhere.

Most times gravy presto always go david copperfield into cement walls.
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>>322871059
fuck, thats hell.

>>322871192
2spoopy4me
I would have shotgun the head off since its in a tunnel.
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>>322871237

>Goddamn it, survivor. Stop being such a faggot
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>>322871319

>~
>tcl

I'm one of the cool kids now.
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>>322871119
Leeloo?
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>>322845948
I like the brotherhood because the guy explained himself at listening point Bravo when he was talking to Danse. Like he's tough, but he gives a shit. He wants humanity to survive.

The institute lost me when i discovered they created the super mutants and replaced so many people i'd already met.
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>>322871445
lol fuck, that reminds me of saints row 4.
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>>322868046
I don't recall the SS defeating a GIANT ROBO SCORPION
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>>322871456
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>>322871445
just pretend swan was playing golf downtown and it's not a problem.

>>322871618 it was the hair that made me think Leeloo.

What effect was that anyway? Burning?
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>>322871693
ironworks faggots kept burning me and it just stuck there for the rest of the game until i quit game.
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>>322871776
Ah. Neat graphics glitch though. I suppose there are worse problems to have.
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Why did the Brotherhood need Liberty Prime again? The robot walks in the CIT-building's doorstep, shoots a little bit of laser and blows the ground open with a mini-nuke. Why go through all that trouble building the robot, when the Brotherhood literally had hundreds of mini-nukes after the first mission you do for the elder?
>you know the Institute is located under CIT
>take the Prydwen over CIT and drop the nukes
>BOOM, The Institute is caught with their pants down, raided by power armor paladins and they don't even have the reactor yet

Why the fuck are you fetching screws for an old robot, when the faction was over powered by the start?
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>>322871693
The car didn't fall out of no where. You see me hit it. Plus i fucked Swan up i don't even think i took any real damage from him and he had a skull next to his name.
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>>322845049
It's fake spoilers. You nuke Boston in the BoS ending. Preston gets fucking pissed at you for turning most of Boston into a glass landscape.
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>>322871959
shit didn't even notice you hit the truck.

>>322871882
because reasons...
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>>322868046
How? The Courier is canonically a fucking cyborg.
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the only reason why I side with the institute is because they keep up the classical musical station

and its relaxing to listen to compared to SHITTY nuclear themed 50's music

or a lone fiddle

other wise, everyone else is pretty shit
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>>322871959

upon further review, I've decided that when you fucked up Swan you adsorbed his strength, and now proclaim you FEVBORN, first of the mutant-kin!
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>>322868246
This. SS points a gun at the Courier and he will stop attacking, pissing himself.
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>>322872293
>he didn't mod his game to play sick ass skrillex during the game

do u even mlg scrub?
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>>322872434
You mean SS would have a chance to make the Courier stop attacking.

There's also the chance that the Courier would continue to fuck up the SS with the fury of a thousand cazadores.


seriously I've got all the talents that allow me to pacify enemies and it only happens once in a blue moon.
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>>322872029
But you can nuke the institute with the Minutemen.
>>322872317
I killed Swan after that i was just implying that swan wasn't all that strong in the first place.
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>>322846256
>calling BoS fascists is fine
>calling railroad SJWs isn't

Kek
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>>322872813
shoulda just rolled with it man...


fuckit gonna rack out for the night, gonna grab ideas for mods and file them in a notepad when the thread 404s.
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GECK when
Non-shitty meme mods when
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>>322873237
>not liking the meme mods
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>>322850954
A WELL WRITTEN CHARACTER???? GET OUT THIS IS A BETHESDA THREAD!!!!!!!! For real, has Bethesda ever written a character who isn't ridiculously evil or totally good?
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>>322834763
Great fucking game design
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>>322850954
>ITT people pick House because they like New Vegas more

How would House even find the Institute?
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>>322832339
Keller would live to 150-200 years
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>>322874056
If some pre-war lawyer can find them I think House would be able to.
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>>322872214
10 Charisma and the Courier won't attack him. Leaving SS well enough time to build a fortress of explosives around the Courier while the SS nukes him from affair.
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>>322850954
How does a rotting corpse and a crater verse fight each other?
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Anyone else join the institute because robots don't have souls?
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>>322874784
I joined because everyone else seems to want this perfectly good facility blown up

world dont need no hot air balloon anyway
>>
Thinking of making a new character. My last one was a heterosexual lawyer who was married to an army dude, and they were cryogenically frozen and then thawed out and her motivation was that she was looking for her son. She was kind of sarcastic at times but in general had a good heart and always did the right thing.

What should my next character be?
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>>322874938
I wish that there was an option to simply take the institute over.
The fact that even the Brotherhood, the niggers whose whole cult is about hoarding tech, wants to blow up this friggin Mecca of technology, is ridiculous. Their win goal should have been taking the place over, and telling those waifu obsessed scientists that they are now working for the Brotherhood.
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>>322875164
Bisexual I guess.
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>>322875217
technically you do in the institute end but beth just called it a day there and added no extra quest afterword
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>>322874703
>teleports back to big mt
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>>322875329
Yeah, but when you take the insitute over, you got practically no power over how it operates, despite being the supposed leader.
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>>322873318
>trainwiz wastes his time with stupid mods
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>>322875398
because beth was too lazy to add quest post ending

cant you read? its the entire reason why shaun made you leader, because you knew life better up there
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>>322875470
He's already announced a quest mod that looks better than anything Bethesda ever did.
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>Institute have tech on par with The Big MT
>Despite not being insane brains in robots like them, still do nothing more of value, just evil shit and giving robots feelings for some reason

>House just has really good pre-war rich guy tech
>Has a goal for humanity, working towards beneficial things like railroads and eventually space travel
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>>322868046
The courier beat Lanius and Ulysses, the SS isn't shit
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>>322871192
where we're going we won't need eyes to see
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>>322875832
>Institute have tech on par with The Big MT
Do they?
The Big MT seem to be more technologically advanced, albeit their tech looks more retro-future than the Institute's.
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>>322874056
By sending the Courier to find them
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>>322876153
Big MT created replicator technology for the Sierra Madre. Teleportation and Gen 3 synths have nothing on that.
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>>322844953
That summarizes my own experience with the game pretty well.
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>>322826669
did this on my first playthrough.
if you kill him main quest just turns exit the institue
there will be a shitload of synths attacking you but i managed to fight my way out with a few fat man shots.
after that there was just one main quest left for me with the minuteman which ended the game
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>>322871882
theres a lot of that in this game
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