>>322810971 This. You can time it so you don't even have to move because he walks towards you and you can get another charge in him while he's knocked down. When he goes beast man just throw molotovs at him. Just make sure not to get stuck on the gravestones. Good luck
>>322810213 Use tombs to keep distance between when you need to, I'd use transformed hunters axe charge attack as he got closer to knock him back. When he transforms throw molotovs to quickly finish him. You might find it easier to fight him on the stairs
So if I understand correctly Gascoigne is some foreign dude who hooked up with the Healing Church to be part of their hunts. Tonight's hunt though he disappeared. His wife left her daughter to go find him. And when she found him near the Healing Church secret entrance Gascoigne was already blood addled and he killed her.
I've been walking back and forth everywhere trying to find things I missed to figure out what the fuck is going on. Am I in a nightmare? Or am I a dream that's walking around in the real world? Are nightmares physical locations or in another dimension? Is the School of Mensis and Bergenweryth the same thing? Why the hell does the Healing Church worship the demon looking thing?
>>322812486 take care of his shitty spiders first then hit him, second/third stage is a little more tricky because you have to keep an eye on him too for his shitty ice attacks but still same idea, is basically patience hit and run. If whatever reason you still struggling there is an npc hunter you can summon before entering the balcony in library, he has the call beyond spell which rekts the little spiders.
>>322811807 massive spoilers. only look if you've beaten the main game and need some answers.
i thought everything was a dream too at first. the beginning makes you think that. the real world is the world you're in, except you are trapped by "the hunter's dream". read the next spoiler if you want to be spoiled even more and unravel a big part of the game.
the hunter's workshop was ran by gehrman, the first hunter. it was a part of the church and it was secret, designed to hunt beasts during the night back before the plague. it was eventually disbanded. there is a item whose info says that the great ones are "sympathetic in nature", and it's likely that gehrman made a pact with moon presence in order to maintain his hunter's workshop, either of pride or whatever motivated him
school of mensis was a part of the church, formed by laurence, who was a student of master willem of brygenwerth (the cutscene you see when you touch laurence's skull in the grand cathedral prove they were very close).
>>322811807 >am I in a nightmare Possibly, but most likely not >am I a dream Naw >are nightmares physical or in another dimension Yes >is the school of mensis and byrgenwerth the same thing Nope >why does the healing church worship the demon thing I'm assuming you're talking about ebrietas, daughter of the cosmos. They take her blood to use in their healing medicine. I don't think they worship her but she is definitely a higher being
In his first stage, you can have a lot of fun by trying to be even more aggressive than he is but make sure you keep enough stamina to dodge away if need me. In his second and third stage, learn his attacks and time your gunshots to when he is winding up before he strikes to parry him, which you can then visceral him
I almost beat him on my first try, went from 20 blood vials to 4 during that fight though and while I thought I had prepared for the fight by watching some videos, I wasn't exactly prepared for his third phase so I got pretty much destroyed by him when he had an inch of health left, after that it took me 4 more tries. Father Gascoigne is definitely my favorite boss of the game. It felt like such an amazing fight and I felt like I was fighting someone who was my equal, even down to the weapons he used, and I grew to love it even more after learning the backstory behind him and listening to the soundtrack.
Just remember, it might take a couple tries but theres nothing wrong with dying. If need be, just get the insight from seeing him and then save your blood echoes and level up before you face him. It also helps to enhance your weapon using blood stone shards.
I picked this up the other day. Are all the areas pretty much the same in art direction? Everything just looks dark and gothic, are there any that stand out that I'm yet to see? At least Dark Souls had some contrasting areas like Anor Londo and Blighttown.
Here's how you actually do it with extremely low risk, it's almost impossible to fuck this strategy up.
Back away from him, wait for him to perform an attack, then use your jump attack, for most weapons this is a guaranteed stagger (Not sure about the cane) after your JA staggers him, back away, repeat this until form 2 while mixing in parries if you want to speed shit up
>Form 2 Use the music box, backstab him, then charge R2 when he gets up. If he's still alive, just whack him a few times, he'll die.
If you can't beat him with this strategy, you're simply bad at timing and measuring distance, for short, become proficient.
>>322816074 You'll get some dark and gothic woods, some dark and gothic lower sections, some dark and gothic castles, a bright ass fuck nightmare land, and white expansive sea, and the DLC has dark and gothic revists with a dark and gothic fishing hamlet.
Yes, that's the point of the game, to be dark and gothic, it fits the theme and story of the game.
But really, yes there will be different environments for you to explore other than just Yharnam. >>322815914 I always assumed Henryk was Gascoigne's father and not his wife's father.
>>322816606 Just get better at the game and get your damage as high as you can, there aren't any "Tricks" to his fight aside from standing in the water to avoid the lightning, as well as BS'ing him when he does his jump attack.
[Kos was the first of the Great One's found, but clearly we see in Old Hunters that Hunters already exist as does the dream, meaning the Moon Presence was found by Gehrman first, which means experiments involving Brygenwerth and it's foundation had already taken place, seeing as how Gehrman and Laurence have left to do their own experiments, Laurence eventually establishing the Church and Gehrman the Hunters/Hunt. Which means that at some point Willem and the crew found Oedon first actually instead of Kos. Which is the spread of the Nightmare, which Gehrman combats with the Moon Presence, who seems to be at odds with Oedon. With Laurence setting off to create his own Church in Oedon's image. Now when Kos was found who knows as it's clearly not the beginning point, even though it's straight up said it is. Then again time and space and Great Ones and all that stupid shit.
>>322816887 Nah, you're likely right, I just always assumed Henryk was the father to Gascoigne instead of his wife. I never really thought to consider it honestly since his wife is just some random woman, but yeah it makes more sense.
I'd really like to see a sequel to Bloodborne or more prequel stuff like the Old Hunters, but alas last DLC and Dark Souls 3 is coming soon.
>>322811805 Kill the spiders every round first. Hit their sides, their faces work like the wooden shield.
Then beat Rom down (you can keep attacking as she's becoming incorporeal and teleporting).
When she starts doing meteor just dodge to the left/right multiple times. When she does the vertical ground meteor it's usually in a radius around her and she wont do it when you're close. Otherwise just wail on her until she teleports again and avoid the terrible obvious AOE explosion. If you're fast enough with the damage (burn most of your stamina, but enough to back dodge), she wont ever do the roll.
>Miyazaki's interview confirms that Rom is in fact female. In the interview with Hidetaka Miyazaki found in the Official Guide, Mizayaki was asked what his favorite boss was. His answer was Rom, stating that “I really like her. There are some oddly cute aspects to her moves and modeling.”
>>322818152 It is, but they had to have found the voice to understand it's grand designs for the Church. Even then, the blood that turns people into Beasts and stuff with the Nightmare/Mergo is likely the result of Oedon as well. How that works who knows.
>>322818754 You mean the Unseen Village which still has beasts, dogs, and maidens and only crazy blobs and the boss?
Or the Orphanage which only has the two bosses and the fetuses running around, but otherwise beasts and shit.
Or do you mean the Nightmare of Mensis which has beasts, giants, shadows of yharnam, pigs, and only the main boss and the big ass brain?
Or do you mean the Nightmare Dream which just has Gehrman unless you do the Umbilical Chords?
Hell you even see Kin before Rom. You see them in the Forbidden Woods, in Iosefka's Clinic, you see them in the Nightmare Frontier, you see other Amydalas around Yharnam constantly if you've been bothering to use the Insight, which everyone did because we all knew you see stuff the more you had.
>>322820297 It has better Lovecraft than pretty much any game period because in the Lovecraft games it makes no sense that you could even compete with the Great Old Ones. Like that Call of Cthulu game where you had to shoot Dagon to death. At least in Bloodborne you could argue learning the edlritch truth and embylical cords makes it possible to surmount the Great Ones.
>>322819601 >>322818715 >>322818713 >>322818650 Artist is dead, retards. The only thing that can influence the status of a facet of a work of art must be contained in the work of art itself. If miyazaki said that every enemy in the game was an android and the games are really just simulations for a super soldier from the future it wouldn't make it true.
I'm not that guy, though, and the only acceptable thing to call rom is 'it' because it's a fucking speedero
>>322820938 George Lucas did plenty of stupid shit sure, and while his decisions were wrong, they are still canon. The same as Rom being female is still canon, even if you find Rom being female not canon. Also I don't see why you have such a problem with Rom being female anyways, the entire game has a motif about pregnancy and females.
Gehrman, The First Hunter >the first hunter laurence formed the hunters, of which gehrman was the first
>>322816976 the hunters nightmare doesn't exist in reality. "the old hunters" you find there are blood addled and never "escape the hunt". wouldn't make much sense if a clocktower leads to a fishing hamlet.
>>322821339 It's an idiom you retard, I'm not saying he's literally dead. I'm saying an artist's views on a narrative aren't binding of conclusive or the final authority. the art defines itself. In this case there's nothing in the game that says romski is a girl so it's not canon that it is.
>>322821082 >If miyazaki said that every enemy in the game was an android and the games are really just simulations for a super soldier from the future it wouldn't make it true.
Except that completely makes it true, it doesn't make it not stupid, but it's still true.
Also you can't call Rom an "It" because Rom was once Human. The game straight up says Rom was enlightened/transcended.
An artist only draws, they aren't the entire influence of the work. They're told what to draw and generally a extremely rough guideline of how to draw it. In this case they said "Draw a spider/caterpillar Great One" and he did, the artist doesn't decide the actual characterization, only what the characterization that was already laid before him is detail in his art.
>>322821714 Except the game makes it obvious. Rom was the first one to become Enlightened, the first to try and give birth to a Great One, it only backfired and Rom became a near braindead spider, who was later used as a Dreamcatcher/Net to stop the halting progress of the Nightmare.
The ritual would eventually be complete through Queen Yharnam. You don't even need Miyazaki to tell you she's female to understand this, it's incredibly basic story-telling and right in your face.
>>322821634 >all the nightmares exist how does this contradict what i say? the reality i speak of is what the doll says, the "waking world". the "hunter's nightmare" is a nightmare persisted by the orphan, hosted by maria. my original point there was that the hunters you find in that nightmare are not "old hunters", i.e. hunters before gerhmans time.
>>322821780 Why does the creator of something saying something outside of the art itself influence the art? Do some people have the power to decide what is and isn't true in a work of art without influencing its contents? how does that even work? the art and the art only dictates is what influences ones interpretation.
>>322821829 Whether art is good or bad has nothign to do with how well it conveys the artist's intentions. If some idiot meant to type his shitty autobiography about his life in swindon as a factory worker but accidentally coded a beautiful, well structured masterpiece of a video game that you really enjoyed, would it be bad? If you like it, it's good art. Simple.
>>322822382 i'd like to see where you get your information. i remember the game saying something like the hunter's nightmare being where all blood addled hunters are sent. i agree that it's a world that either created AFTER or during Gehrman's time. he really is the "first" hunter.
>>322810213 > use the saw part of the saw cleaver, you need to move fast > get the music box, i didnt use it because i was retard and didnt know about it > use the tombstones as cover (until he transformes)
>>322822403 it works because he is the creator of the story and lore. When you have a job as a concept artist or an artist in this facility you are told what to draw. It's not like you're just drawing whatever you feel like and handing it to the person and being like "Here, this is the character, and this is their story". The artist doesn't decide that unless they're also the main developer of what they are creating.
Artists have no power in most jobs, they just draw what they're told to draw, it's a job like anything else and a very shitty one too. Trust me, I unfortunately had to deal with all the weird ass hipster faggots and retards at art school, jobs are not just "Make something and it's yours". They just create what the character looks like, nothing more, and even then they're given a rough idea of what they should be drawing. >>322822548 Then you go against the creator's intentions and that's not more than headcanon at that point. It's like that stupid ass Samus is a tranny shit people take seriously over an off-handed and terribly obvious joke. Now if Miyazaki had said Rom was a female in a joking manner, sure you'd have a point, but otherwise you're just spouting what you want to believe over the real intentions of the creator of the character. >>322822984 If Walt Disney said Mickey was an Android, guess what, Mickey is an android.
No. Those areas blew ass because they were so confusing that they put a permanent bad taste in my mouth. Going from the peculiar (yet understandable) Unseen Village to a weird lecture hall in the head of dead guy to a nightmare with a baby and tons of weird shit made no sense to me the first time.
Of course now I understand, and even appreciate some of it. But the pure confusion I felt when I entered the Nightmare of Mensis and the confusion as to WHY I HAD TO KILL A BABY still sticks with me.
>inb4 "dude you're feeling how the characters feel when they tried to comprehend the eldritch truth"
fuck off with that. Lovecraftian themes are always a dead end
"the death of the artist" is a novel concept raised by a essay; it's a thought that advocated against the traditional analysis of the author and looking at his background as a means of explaining a work. this is a video game. miyazaki saying something is something in a fictional world he created is fine. the work is still independent, and if it never definitely asserts something then you're fine to believe whatever you want. there is no wrong or right
>>322823041 i don't know where you read that or got that from intuition but that's fine, i guess. just as long as people realize that hunters began with gehrman and laurence.
>>322823153 I find hyperbole entertaining >>322823209 It's not shit if I like it anon, unless it is literally made out of shit but that's different. That doesn't make it objectively good art if that's what you're getting at but there's no such thing as that obviously.
>>322823275 The creative process has nothing to do with the final product in an artistic sense. It's a final piece in a vaccum, nothing more and nothing less. It is removed from its creation as soon as it's finished.
I also didn't say I disagreed with Miyazaki per se, or that I thought what he was saying was stupid or preferred my own headcanon. I don't really care about rom that much. What I was saying is that if someone else think rom's a female just because the M, at this point just another critic/member of the audience when you think about it as a work of art, believes it's a female, said so, and him being the creator gives him some kind of special lease over past creations.
If walt disney said mickey was an andriod, that's his interpretation, and his view of the character. In a vaccum, if the art and the art alone doesn't convince you that he's an andriod he's not. He could be if you believed it independantly of disney's comments, though.
>>322824269 But he did not make a red dress and told everyone it was black. He made a black dress and told everyone it was black, and then you came in here getting mad because you thought it was a dark red, but it was actually black.
>>322823564 >unless it is literally made out of shit but that's different I am saying that, but you're missing my point.
You seem to think everyone's opinions have the exact same weight. You're trying to simply art in the most inclusive way possible and not taking any account for taste at all. If someone has experienced more art than another person, they have a better frame of comparison to other art. If the only movie you've ever seen is Transformers, you're going to think its 10/10 GOAT. You have not seen all that there is in that genre or in general to form a pallet of potentially what movies are out there.
TLDR Lots of autistic children like Sonic. They like it, so is it good? To them it is, but they're autistic so who gives a fuck what they think.
For starters, I'm not the anon you had responded to. Secondly, your question is of a completely irrelevant hypothetical situation. There is no reason to answer the question because answering the question will not lead to anything.
>>322824468 you're an idiot. the work is always at the end of the day independent. much like the video of me having sex with your mother is a shameful part of my past, my urgent letters sent to xhamster to have it taken down are met with no replies.
>>322824563 Everyone's opinion is identical. Taste is subjective. Liking things is subjective. There is no 'good art' or 'bad art' on an objective levels. I think sonic is shit and the kids who like it have shit taste. That's my subjective opinion and it'd be stupid to claim I was objectively correct in saying it was shit even if I can explain my opinions on tangible concepts.
all opinions, objectively, have the exact same weight. If you want to believe big M's interpretation because you agree with it after inspection of the argument, that's all good. But it's not as simple a case as 'he made it, everything he says about it is right'
>>322824778 It's not irrelevant. We're talking about miyazaki here and whether his statements over the gender of a fictional spider-thing (christ) are binding simply because he made the game. If you think they are, you've got to be able to provide an answer to the problem I put forward.
>>322824795 If the work is independent then it can't be bound by what someone else says about it outside its boundaries, dickweed.
>>322825087 If anything what I'm saying suggests the opposite. If lucas says dumb shit about star wars under my philosophy I'm allowed to ignore it because it's just another fuck's interpretations. there's no midichlorians in 4 5 and 6. The rerelases are different works of art that do not alter the original releases in the slightest. Learn to actually comprehend what people post
>>322825353 It's completely irrelevant, because saying "the dress is red" will not affect the conversation at all. The conversation is not about a creator blatantly lying for no real reason, it's about a creator explaining something that was left a bit more ambiguous than he intended. As such, the dark red -> black analogy.
He's pretty easy when he has his normal ax. You can basically run in and whack him with the occasional side step. Parrying here is also pretty easy and gets fast damage. You'll have to be a bit more cautious when he extends the ax as he has sweeping attacks, range, and can combo you in. It's best to run in after him after he's finished, hit him a few times, and then run back. He can be pretty rough with parry times at this stage, and I would pretty much recommend against it unless you're pro. If he catches you, he can pretty much kill a character with low vit. For his next stage, parry timing is a lot simpler but you have to perform it fast. Side stepping will also work, but don't attack him a bunch of times. Throw a few molotovs if you have them on you.
Don't listen to the fags saying "Lol don't parry! No molotovs ever!" You are going to feel satisfied when you beat him if you had to post a thread on /v/ about it, so using helpful techniques won't dampen that for you. All that matters is that dopamine.
>>322825353 it's not. is a person not independent of the thoughts projected upon him by others? miyazaki's comments can either be accepted or denied, much like any fan theories about certain ambiguous lore in the game.
>>322825579 What you're saying is that the person who created it has no bearing on anything to you because you're so blinded and deluded by the concept of artistic interpretation you refuse to acknowledge that the creator is the final say.
Parrying in bloodborne is the equivalent of playing the game on easy mode. In Dark Souls, parrying actually required some amount of skill, because if you missed your parry you were fucked. Being able to parry at range with guns has made parrying a no risk high reward move. Against bosses like father Gascoigne, it completely takes away the challenge and hence the fun. Don't go around telling people you platted bloodborne if you did so by parrying everything. You basically cheated if you parried through bloodborne.
>>322825917 >deluded It's the truth, believing otherwise misses the point of art entirely. Art isn't a factual thing that you're meant to 'decipher' to a correct conclusion that only the creator knows. It's SUBJECTIVE. Too autistic to think outside of absolutes? I know it's hard, rain main.
>>322821357 Gherman was the first hunter He was a hunter for Byrgenwerth, he was the one that devised the hunters fighting style after the Cainhurst knights got their asses kicked in the Pthumarian tombs. Maria and Ludwig where his first apprentices.
He continued to hunt in Yharnam after Laurence founded the Healing Church, but he and Laurence had a falling out and Laurence recruited Ludwig to found and train the Church Hunters.
>>322826042 Mechanics like parrying were put in the game to make the casuals happy. Not everyone can just play Souls games all day like you. Some people have lives outside of shitposting on /v/ and playing shitty from soft games. At least from soft is making an attempt to appeal to their core audience.
>>322826424 But my opinion allows you to either agree or disagree based on your own subjective take on the art, whereas your retarded philosophy binds you to accept whatever the author says about his work outside of its boundries as canon. Accept that art is subjective before you try talking about it like you know shit
>>322826865 If it's clearly stated by the creator IN THE ART then sure. If not, that's fucking wrong, retard. If goya said that saturn devouring his son was actually an attempt to draw a sunflower, would it be a painting of a sunflower? There is no objectivity in art in any case whatsoever you fucking. mongoloid.
>>322824986 I can tell we're never going to come to an agreed conclusion on this one. So let me at least let me try to explain it better.
I generally hate it when people can't explain why they like something. "I like this because I like it" is the most retarded non-logic I can think of, it's senseless. But that's opinions, they are literally subjective, they can't be wrong. But it doesn't mean I have to respect them. I'd like to be believe most people do the same and actually use their brains.
If you can explain why you like something with a level of rationalization then you have formed a justification, and even if people don't agree with you, they get where you're coming from.
If a child says "I like Sonic cuz he goes fast", I'd think "Going fast to the point where you lack control isn't a well thought out system for a platformer with bottomless pits, games X, Y and Z do the genre better because you have more control over what you're doing."
Neither of us are "wrong", but I at least made some kind a case for my reasoning.
>But it's not as simple a case as 'he made it, everything he says about it is right'
Explain to me how that's not true. He MADE it, it is his, how can you say what is his is not? It is impossible for you to know it better than the person that made it.
>>322828170 His physical body died. Lucas could have come up with some bullshit about how force ghosts can regenerate their bodies, but that wouldn't change the fact that Obi-Wan did, in fact, perish, and Lucas would never claim otherwise.
>>322827464 I'm not asking you or saying it's good to respect opinion that in your opinion are baseless or that you disagree with. I know I don't. But at the same time, you have to acknowlege that you're not objectively correct. explaining an opinion doesn't make it more correct, but it generally makes for better discourse/conversation and helps explain your point of view. It just doesn't validate it moreso on any objective level if you catch my drift.
>Explain to me how that's not true. He MADE it, it is his, how can you say what is his is not? It is impossible for you to know it better than the person that made it.
He said that after it was made. That's what he believes, but it's not IN the art. It doesn't matter that he made it, when it's released it is what it is. The key here is boundries. He's not objectively correct, even if he made it and even if you agree with him. It was his when he was making it, but when it was finished it is no longer 'his'. There's no sense in prescribing someone with an arbitrary position of authority on a work of art when at the end of the day it's all down to interpretation.
>>322828065 I never watched the films as a kid. I speak as someone who's really into art and artistic theory, not someone who doesn't like jar jar binks enough to close my ears.
>>322827970 What are you talking about? How does this link to what I'm saying at all? I'm talking about how a creator's comments or subsequent creations can't retroactively affect or change an original work of art, not fucking fanfiction. Have you had a bad star wars related experience?
>>322828368 I'm treating works of art as individual works of art, not some strange legal system tied to their creator.
>>322829426 It's all about the logic, retard. IF you believe the artist has the final word regardless, the ridiculousness of a potential claim from an artist doesn't matter. Have you thought about this for more than a fucking second, bro?
>>322829864 Except the logic doesn't work, since in every situation it would be a reasonable retcon. There is literally nothing wrong with Greedo shooting last and there is literally nothing wrong with Miyazaki saying Rom is female.
>>322828579 Explain an opinion makes it more rational. You'll never shake personal preference since it is still subjective, but you're giving a justification through elements and facts.
But justifications are fodder in a debate, and not all debates are black and white. If your justification is more rational, you win out that debate, generally. Your opinion, in this case, is the winning opinion. Not everyone is going to hold that opinion, but at least people understand where you're coming from.
>That's what he believes, but it's not IN the art. Nigga, Bloodborne lore is as obtuse as it comes Here is what we know: Rom was an enlightened scholar blessed by Kos, or Kosm. The boss makes little spiders, like what female spiders do, since for a male spider to reproduce, it needs to be decapitated.
Before the word from Miyazaki, one could infer given simply logic that Rom was a woman turned spider. The fact Miyazaki said she was a woman should be in the nail in the coffin for that argument.
>>322830079 Do you or do you not think that whatever an artist says about a piece of art he's made has to be the truth in the context of that piece of art? In other words, does the artist have the final say?
>>322830286 Yes, the artist does. The hypothetical super-ridiculous situations would literally never occur, so if you try to interject more of your bullshit, I'm just not going to bother with your genuine retardation anymore.
>>322828579 >That's what he believes, but it's not IN the art What in the art implies Rom is a male? Nothing. Nothing implies it being male or female but the creator said its female. He contradicted nothing.
>>322830208 Winning a debate and being objectively right are different things, I think. Obviously being more rational will make others more likely to sway and agree with you, and you will be able to question people's stances, but at its core your belief will only be as 'objectively correct' as anyone else's, rational or irrational.
I agree that it's possible for Rom to be female. I don't think Miyazaki saying it/she is should make anyone else believe that she/it/xhe/smee/spree/twee pop is, as it's just another opinion. It doesn't come from within the work itself.
So I was exploring post-Blood Moon Hypogean Gaol, went around a carriage, saw something shiny and mashed X to pick up an item, and accidentally summoned Old Hunter Defector Antal, and then proceeded to take out the One Reborn with Antal's help by just whacking his middle over and over. Am I a filthy, casual scrub, or can I be forgiven for this accidental cheating?
>>322830483 Except it's not about whether they would or wouldn't occur, it's about the law in question. 'Whatever the artist says goes unless It's ridiculous, IE I don't agree/like it' isn't a law. It's a half-thought-out non-stance. Either you believe it fully or you don't, that's the nature of believing in such a law.
>>322830579 Stop getting mad. I didn't say he contradicted anything, I'm just saying that it's his interpretation and nothing else. It doesn't mean anything more than anyone else's.
>>322823552 That's 'death of the author' you mongrel. It's also pleb tier literary analysis initially designed within a historical context that focused primarily on realism. The actual argument presupposes that the creator has no 'extra' authority over any individual when it comes to the canon of his or her works because, and follow along here, this bit is important: --works of the time were primarily grounded in the real world--. Applying "Death of the Author" to fantasy contexts is not only retarded but also shows a profound lack of understanding of the theory as a whole. In short; go back to whatever shithole liberal arts community college you crawled out of and educate yourself before spewing out theories and buzzwords.
People who use "Death of the Author" nowadays are generally snobs who lack the actual talent needed to create something and instead need to find other outlets to prove their superiority, going so far as to say that they understand works better than the creator of the work does.
>>322832201 I'm an artist. I just drew that. By your logic, which you follow because it'd never come to the point that I literally just brought it to, it's a cat. Why doesn't your law apply? are you going to tell me this situation isn't real? You haven't thought this through.
>>322832706 Call me a child after you've effortlessly destroyed my argument. The situation you described as something that would never happen just happened. Not in a grand scale, but that's irrelevant. Tell me whether you think I drew a cat or not. You're just looking stupid by backtracking.
>>322832130 You have drawn an awful picture of a cat. You evidently have very little understanding of basic elements of visual art such as perspective, light sources and shading.
In addition, your picture of a cat looks absolutely nothing like a cat. If you insist on claiming that what you have drawn is 'a cat' I would question whether you have ever actually seen a cat or merely assumed to know what one is.
Essentially, yes, your picture is of a cat, it's just absolutely fucking awful on every level, including a basic understanding of what a cat is.
>>322833415 Where? The delusion is real. For your sake, never try to discuss anything remotely artistic with anyone with an iota of interest in the subject or you'll make yourself look like a right tit. >>322833459 I'm glad you think that's a cat. Just confirm the following for me: You look at that picture and you see cat, not flower, which I admit it looks a lot like despite being, in fact, a cat. Despite it being a much better flower than a cat by many many miles, the simple act of me telling you it's a cat because of my arbitrary, artistically irrelevant position of the creator of 'kitty cat' (pixels on ms paint, 2016) makes it a cat in your eyes.
Also, if I change my mind after you confirm this in the event that you do and tell you it's ACTUALLY a DOG, where does that leave you?
>>322834310 >For your sake, never try to discuss anything remotely artistic with anyone with an iota of interest in the subject or you'll make yourself look like a right tit. Don't worry, I'll learn from your example.
>>322834637 I'm waiting for your response, or are you done trying to salvage the wreck of an argument you're attempting to make that's just descended into mindless antagonism for the sake of your pride on an anonymous image board
>>322830684 >as it's just another opinion No see, it's not an opinion, it's a creation. Whether he conveyed it's design well enough is at the fault of the artist, but he created it, it is his, you can't know more about it them him.
If I drew a quadrupedal stick figure and said "This is a lion", would you say "No, it is a dog because I see a dog" or would you say "That's a shitty looking lion".
>>322835501 I'd say it looks more like a dog to me if it looked like a dog.
A creation is a creation, yes, and that's the art itself. What comes after, or that which is in miyazaki's head but not in BB, is just an opinion. there's a clear separation. Assuming there's no secret text we haven't found and that we've discovered the entire work of art, Miyazaki does not have 'knowlege' that others don't about the game in its current form. He has his ideas, his thoughts and his inspirations, and even his interpretations. but that's not objective knowledge now that the game has been released.
>>322836016 But here is where this breaks down: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/opinion
noun 1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
For Miyazaki, there is no belief or judgement. You can't not believe in something you made, you made it. It is not objectionable, it is concrete. There is complete certainty in his mind, for it is his. No on else made it, just him.
Rom being a female, by definition is not an opinion to Miyazaki. Therefore it is not subjective.
No, you're backpedaling over what you said. >What comes after, or that which is in miyazaki's head but not in BB, is just an opinion
But what is in Miyazaki's head, by literal definition is not an opinion because A) It does not require belief or judgement for support B) There are no insufficient certainty of the creation since there is no grounds for speculation.
In his mind, he does not think, Anon, he KNOWS. What literally everyone else in the world could only think or assume, he knows.
Now if you want to debate the definition of opinion, you'd make a stronger case. But as it stands, it is by definition not an opinion.
>>322839684 The point is that nothing in-game stats that Rom is female, therefore you CAN debate whether or not it's female, since the only confirmation one way or the other is from an outside source. I believe that Rom is most likely female, but it's incorrect to say that it's a certainty.
literally beat this guy today on the first try just jump behind when he trys to attack you get two hits then move to left or right depending on where you are so you dont get shot repeat 8 times hes dead
>>322840119 Partials had pretty strict timing and were taken out of DaS2 which is one of the reasons why that game is miserable.
That guy is stupid because parrying is a huge part of the game, but you should also never be parrying point blank because with guns like Evelyn, you'll just fire over them somehow. Also parrying in Bloodborne has an even better failure case than a partial, where you get the stagger and the damage and avoid the hit even if you miss the parry window.
>threaded cane in whip mode >tombstones to the right of the entrance as a buffer until beast mode >climb stairs >when he jumps to top of stairs, run down stairs then run beside them >stay close enough that he stays on stairs >now have a handrail to create a buffer
Seriously, I suck major ass at the game and I found him pretty easy. I had to come up with this strategy because I can't even parry 99% of the enemies, and that is all anyone would suggest back when the game first came out.
>>322842321 Honestly most of the bosses just anger me. Maybe because they're designed for someone in an aggressive mindset and I just fucking hate being aggressive because it only ever causes me to tunnel and get myself killed.
Maybe this game just isn't for me, regardless of how "easy" or "casual" /v/ claims.
>>322842468 >>322842321 I've always just used hit and run tactics. Get a running hit on one, run away, and repeat. Every now and then if you get one behind the pillar with the other 2, especially the ranged user, out of sight, then go to town for a little bit. Just don't get greedy.
>>322842726 They're not really meant for an aggressive mindset. In fact, I'd say for the larger bosses, you kind of have to play defensively the way you would in any other Souls game because of how shit the camera gets, making the fights a huge scramble. The only difference is that you get health back for taking a risk. For example, Laurence is straight up a DaS2 boss. All you can really do to be safe is wait for him to do an attack, dodge into and through the attack, get a hit, and then back off because he'll do his counterswipe.
>>322842787 Seriously just parry them, you're invincible during it. Or failing that, grab the biggest, heaviest weapon you have, stand behind the pillar, and charge R2. That's all you have to do.
>>322842976 Blunderbuss still leaves you plenty of time to dash forward and visceral. More than the Augur of Ebrietas anyway, which is what I was using last playthrough for parries and that worked out just fine.
>>322843081 Maybe it just proves that I was a shieldcrutch faggot the entire time.I thought I was decent because I completed a few SL1 runs in Dark Souls, but bloodborne is making me rethink that (and then Scholar of the First Sin is making me rethink my rethinking (because I got it for christmas and never played the adjusted placements and all of the DLC)).
>>322842735 >whip mode is for unskilled peasants like you who can't even read >can't even read Dude, look at my first post. I already said I'm an unskilled peasant, so now you are just being a retarded parrot.
>transformed cane >literally unskilled >keep your cane transformed if you're good You said whip mode is unskilled, yet you literally said keep your can in whip mode if you're good. I don't need to learn how to read. You need to learn how to type. You meant; >keep your cane untransformed if you're good
Also, I played 90% of the game in cane mode because the cane is a lot easier to use than the whip. Whip's range isn't good for anything other than cheesing PvP. Cane is better at staggering enemies, and is quicker. Plus if you miss the enemy, you aren't even really punished in cane mode. Cane mode is easy mode.
I'm just really good at finding flaws in bosses because I suck at the game. Gascoigne is probably the easiest to cheese though.
>>322843081 >Seriously just parry them, you're invincible during it. I'm horrible at parry timing in this game. I had to learn how to beat the game without parry because I fail at it almost every single time.
>my first few tries against the witch(es) of hemwick not realising that I didn't have to fight the summons
christ. It'd be cool if there was a bossfight that was like that but with more obvious and dire ramifications if you get spotted. it'd make it much more tense if you'd pay for getting too close rather than just dodging away effortlessly
>>322834882 Not the Anon you're arguing with, but I get what you're trying to say. I am of the impression that the artist has final say in what's going on in their work. After all, they're the ones who created it and they're the driving force of the work.
The minute they start saying shit about their work that doesn't really make sense to the audience that claims to have understood it, their credibility is shattered.
It raises the question if the work was ever good to begin with though, if the creator can't act consistently within the rules they laid out within their work.
people think missing a parry in BB has no consequence, but most enemy attacks will hit you if you miss a parry because they all move the enemy so far forward. Not to mention missing a parry on a grab attack you are pretty much dead.
I accidentally NG+ before I had the chance to do the DLC and shit is fucking hard as balls in it's current state. I also missed a bunch of stuff and locations like Iosefka's clinic, Cainhurst, Nightmare Frontier and others, coupled with me levelling up based on what I think needs to be levelled, should I just start a new character to do all of those or should I stick with my current one?
>>322844530 Well I did learn that I shouldn't topload endurance like you do in Dark Souls. I'm considering just restarting (I got to Vicar Amelia before I just can't fucking handle her) and leveling vitality or whatever the stat for health is called.
>>322845041 >the DLC and shit is fucking hard as balls in it's current state The DLC is actually noticeably harder than the regular game, even in a fresh game. You might want to start a new game, but I don't know how much difficulty a single NG+ adds to it to begin with.
If you start a new game, I would probably aim for 30 health before taking on the DLC.
>>322819270 Don't remember the exact lvl, but it was around 100, 105, maybe? As soon as I reached the fire werewolf on defiled I just stopped, played ng+ and put a ton of points on health, after that it wasn't nearly as hard to do the rest of the chalices.
>>322846589 I wouldn't say discovered because I can't reproduce it, but in my last playthrough, the gatling gun hunter jump attacked through a wall and fell to his death and I still got his gear.
The blood-starved beast is just a blood-starved beast though. Parry, dodge left and towards. You can even get him caught on the environment with the ramp to really take the bite out of his charge attacks.
>>322846589 For blood-starved, have your torch equipped so the smaller beasts are less reluctant to hit you. You don't need the actual light just have it out. It still works if your weapon's L1 is a two-hander.
You can then throw blood cocktails to distract blood-starved while you heal, go for a charge attack, or deal with the small guys.
Nothing I can say about gatling man other than dodge around him and spam blunderbuss to try and parry him.
>>322846950 >>322846982 When I say cheese, I really mean cheese. What I did was ran past the gatling gun user, lured BSB outside of the cave until he couldn't get past the environment. Then just take my free hits on him till he dies. Then I go back into the cave, and clear out the small enemies while avoiding GGH. Finally when he is alone, I run past him, fall off the cliff and hide at the bottom, but a little to the left. This is actually a blind spot for him so he will go back to his starting point. Then I go for a free back attack, and run away to my hiding spot. Rinse and repeat until he is dead. Almost 100% guaranteed easy victory.
>>322848638 >that doesn't sound like too much fun tho Why not? The "normal" way to do it is repetitive and is just a reliance on you having good reflexes and timing. Sure, you sometimes have new patterns to learn, but that is very limited. My way of playing involves exploring the environment in the middle of a fight, breaking down enemy attacks and their interactions with the environment, and then finding a way to use their AI to my advantage. I don't handle a single fight in the same manner as a previous fight, thus keeping each fight fresh and new. At the end of it, my success was a reward for critical thinking rather than pure dexterity. I find it to be a great deal of fun.
The only way I wouldn't find it to be so much fun is if I read someone else's way to cheese the enemy, and went strait to that.
How to get to Iosefka's from the Forbidden Forest? I went up the path behind the dog cages, through a cave and ended up in a poison lake with a bunch of giants which fucked my shit up before in the first cycle.
>>322850720 >the act of repeatedly running in and out of his range to do the backstabs Yeah, that part I can understand. Being around lvl 40, and continuously dying to the GGH in a fair fight is even more annoying though. I'm a little OCD, so I HATE leaving spots unexplored and enemies undefeated, so I had to find some way to beat their gay shit. It doesn't help that BSB is one of the hardest, if not the hardest, boss to me in the entire game. That includes chalice dungeon bosses too.
>rarely have to try more than once on a boss, even notorious ones like Ludwig I usually beat on my second or third try, using threaded cane at that >this fucking flaming furry faggot annihilates my asshole over and over again Why
Why does he have so much fucking health Why does every fucking attack he does have a giant fucking flame shockwave why is it so fucking hard to dodge anything why does he never leave openings ever why does he have a zillion health Why did switching to a real weapon not even help
>>322851345 That's why I said at first glance. Rom doesn't spawn spiders until you damage her enough. It looks like a potato with a stone face covered by dozens of eyes. Rom isn't exactly a feminine sounding name either.
>>322851712 Everyone has that one boss that they suck at. I suck at Blood-starved beast. Probably took me 50 tries to beat him my first time, and even getting good at the game, he can still give me trouble. Laurence on the other hand took me around 4 or 5 tries, and now I beat him every time. He is possibly in my list of top 5 easiest bosses, definitely top 10. Enemies like the witches are just too easy for him to trump though...
>>322852434 >keep spamming music box Unless they changed this, the music box forces him into beast mode, then in beast mode it only causes him to freak out 1 time. It isn't exactly something you can spam.
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