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>I hate rts games because you have to click too fast
>my dream rts is a game where you would need about 6000 apm to play effectively
>>322788251

explain this shit /v/
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>>322788251
I think some tbs games have the elements or part of the elements you are describing.
Like Alpha Centauri has a lot of unit customization iirc.
In Warlords 3 you design your army by picking with kind of troops you have.

>With some random events, small and global ones. Be it weather, cataclysms, rebellions, internal problems etc etc
Makes me think of gs games.
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This thread dies ONLY on my command!
NOT BEFORE!
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>>322789262

>tfw no mordern Star Wars RTS game
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Gotta say, the Total War style tbs/rts hybrid is just about perfect for me. I can devote time and thought to a proper grand strategy with lots more depth than an pure rts can. The same applies to the rts component; I can devote all my attention to proper tactical strategy without being inturrupted by something like some attack on a mining complex on the other side of my empire.
Now if GalCiv could have real time battles like Homework or Nexus, I would be a happy camper.
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>>322791504
But in what style?
AoE?
Empire at War?

Something new like CoH or MoW?
Homeworld with space only?
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>>322789262
Wait for human neuron to PC interface.
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>play Space Marines
>get rekt by Imperial Guard and Orkz
This shouldn't be allowed.
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>>322793439
How did you fuck up this badly?
In both DoW1 and 2 SM can just roll into IG territory.
Unless you got unlucky guard rushed.
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>>322791805
Why, in the style of Galactic Battlegrounds of course.
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>>322793439
>SPESS MEHREENS
>Wrekt by Imperial Guard
You fucked up Anon
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>>322793972
>>322794456
Playing DoW2 Elite Mod and I'm a new player.
>IG has their shitty fucking sentinel and loads of models
>outmanned and outgunned
>fucked up my buildorder and didn't go with dual tactical marines
>split my forces trying to help my ally which further fucked up my micro

>fucked up economy against the Orcs and didn't get the second gen farm early
>I got very good trades, made his armies bleed well and got loads of his models
>however he successfully genbashed me when I retreated twice
>went tech 2 early and I had no means to counter him
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Am I a faggot if I think that the genre peaked with SCBW?
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>>322789262
Starcraft did a lot to ruin the genre by being one of the most APM focused titles and competitively popular. Most RTS's aren't as much of an austistic clickfest, but everyone assumes Starcraft = RTSs as a whole.
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>>322794702
No. But it peaked with both SC:BW for fast paced RTS and Total Annihilation for grand RTS.
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Once you go grand anything else is bland.
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>>322789262

get fucked you crossthreading cunt
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>Act of Aggression community was dead a month after release
>Warshift still in early access
>Ashes of Singularity still in early access

God I hope Deserts of Kharak is good
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>>322794929
>Americans landing in Europe
>Germany successfully invaded Britain
>Sweden inavded by Axis
>Yugos joined Axis
>Soviets haven't lost in 45
That's unusual.
Wonder how Japan was doing
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>>322794802
AoE was the original gookclick and all you /v/ermin love it
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>>322794929
this.
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>>322794580
>mod
Well there's yer problem
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>>322794802
I'm still waiting on someone to explain how people in a foreign country playing the same game for over a decade ruined the genre for anyone else. pretty much every popular rts made since then that's not sc2 has been trying to be as unlike starcraft as possible.
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>>322796417
Not really. Relic dropped the support and somebody had to keep balancing/adding new stuff.

Or are you really advocating and OP faction in multiplayer?
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>>322791805

Man I'd love a Star Wars game which was a mix of CoH for ground combat, and Empire at War's Space combat.
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>>322796581
RTS is a shit genre in general

getting gud means repeating the same autistic movements every single game

Koreans just made everyone aware of it
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>>322794929
I never liked them desu, I always loved rts for the spectacle of controlling huge battles, watching two soldiers hitting each other for a few minutes as numbers above their heads slowly decrease doesn't really have the same effect.
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>>322797396
>getting gud means repeating the same autistic movements every single game
what is every video game ever
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>>322797624
That's why you add RNG, to prevent korean autism
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>>322795521
I've never played AoE and never intend to, don't generalise :^)
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>>322797715
>add rng
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>>322797891
So you complain about autistic gookbots ruining vidya, but laugh at RNG? Tell me how would YOU do it
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>>322796581
this to be honest familia...anyways cute grills would save rts.
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>>322798506
Kancolle would save RTS!!
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>>322797715
wc3 had so much of it it literally decided games
gooks still dominated
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>>322798932
kancolle is absolute cancer and I would prefer assfaggots to stay in charge of RTS than that shit
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>>322798178
have it play like company of heroes 1, focus on map control and make blobbing + amoving non viable.

there problem solved
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>>322797518

Look at those babby hours
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>tfw 3 killed the franchise

What went wrong?
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>>322800768
rts casuals sмн
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>>322800768
>CoH 2

I didn't even mean to post that, I was replying to a different post in a different with it and didn't realise I had an image selected j_j
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>>322789262
That's how it should be.
Being fast is important, but not on starcraft2 levels of bullshit.
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>>322800972
>everyone remembers AoE
>no one ever talks about this masterpiece
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Nobody has mentioned MechCommander in at least 3 of the past threads that I've been reading.

Extremely underrated game. My dream is to make what MechCommander 2 should have been using UE4.
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Anybody else able to get UA to start since the new patch dropped? Even with the hotfix, it crashes unless I play with the extra faction mods enabled.

On a side note, why do modders make their factions so overpowered compared to base game? Daemons are literally shit to fight as or against
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>>322789262
it's important to not make a player adapt to a changing environment and be creative. meta should succeed over all.
dynamic and analog systems are stupid and only for noobs. APM is king!
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>>322794580
>didn't go with dual tactical marines
Yea
They hard counter most early IG shit because flamer reks guards and that SMTS active ability lets you take murderous pot shots on Sentinel.

Flame Throwers and rush his power nodes.
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God, I blow dick at RTS, but I love Dark Crusade.

I really need to get better at my hotkeys. And I'm awful at managing my units in large fights.
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Post your best RTS screens
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>>322803792
This is how I operate
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>>322803656
That one increasing efficiency against heavy infantry?
Yeah this game has a shitload of damage and armour types to remember.
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>>322803792
not the best but i really like the game.
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>>322803656
>>322804270
>sentinel armour type counts as heavy inf
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>>322803792
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>>322803792
all my screenshots are just scoreboards ;;
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>>322801093
I've never played MOBA's, but could they seriously be as enjoyable as putting that much time into it?
Like seriously, I can still play games after 400 hours, but it definitely slows down due to me wanting to try something else.
I don't want to even believe that number.
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>>322791504
its pretty good
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>>322791504
try the star wars MoW mod

it's pretty good
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>>322805701
>tfw you will never see this being published on Steam
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>>322805982
i only wish, id go back to playing it online even if the hosted servers are as shit as aoe2. too bad gog doesnt have some online lobbies, rarely you will see lobbies on gameranger and voobly
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I own Total Annihilation but I've never spent any time with it.

I ought to try that one out some time.
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>>322802251
there is a crowd funded mechcommander game coming out using the turn based PnP rules.

Trouble is the PnP rules need a serious overhaul.
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>>322803792
I remember you from that meme maps thread
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>>322802251
That's because MechCommander (at least the second game, which is the one I played) is not an RTS. They are an RTT (tactics rather than strategy).
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I bought DoW2 during the sale and my god it's bad

They made the game about small scale engagements and micro heavy, but they made microing super tedious.

Why did they think it's a good idea to make every unit tiny, hard to tell apart and having extremely small health bars?

It's fucking ridiculous how one Ork squad in DOW1 has more men than my entire army in DOW2
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>>322804431
As Relic designer said to me
"hiding information makes for better war stories"
:^)
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>>322789262
that pic makes me want to play starcraft

I'll wait for the hd remake, will probably come out this year.
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>>322807216
Waaaaaaait
They added Commissars finally?
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>>322808054

No, Theatre of War map
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Who's ready for Dune 3000?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7beE0NgnmU
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Oh god please help me, I'm playing Wargame Red Dragon and I dont know what to do. I'm getting my ass kicked.
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SupCom is the only good RTS.
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>>322809061
I consider preordering this but the price is just to high. 45 eur? For just 13 mission. Even with discount this is insane. I never been interested in multiplayer in rts besides lan parties.
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>>322803792
Ave Imperium.
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>>322809789
lrn 2 play lol

but depending on your level of rts experience, watch tutorial videos and read wiki pages. then just practice a lot to git gud at apm and multitasking.
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Soulstorm or Dark Crusade?
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>>322810526
Same question as this guy. I got the whole DoW collection, but I want to know should I do DC or SS?
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>>322810526
Soulstorm.
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>>322810526
DC is objectivly better than SS for several reasons.

SS though has more factions and godlike mods.
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>>322810526
Dark Crusade is where DoW went to absolute shit. SS is better but doesn't fix enough.
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>>322810526
Ss with mods
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What happen to that touhou rts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-JglvvWnDQ
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only RTS game i've played is WC3 and i hated how you had to level up your heroes and rng items. Someone recommend me a non shit RTS and ill buy it right now
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>>322811572
Warzone 2100
it is free and opensource.
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>>322811419
looks like an AoE mod imo
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>>322810330
this map was the shit
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i dont like how the resource management is managed in some rts games

some games have you walling off and defending your harvesters
while others just have resource points to fight over
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>>322811572
CoH 1

best rts according to metacritic too
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CoH 2 needs a new axis faction and a big fucking optimization update.
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>>322812061
which do you prefer? play MoW or wargame if you just dislike macro
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>>322812061
Please share your visionary view how to do it correctly then
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>>322789512
This. I think RTS games have become completely unfun do to the massive amount APMs involved. And you get completely rolled over by anyone with a marginally higher APM.

TBS is where its at. Some TBS games are quick enough where it even feels like RTS. For example, summonstrike.com. You can plan your strategy ahead and then have that RTS/TBS feel in game.
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Not a single Cossacks Screen?
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>>322812076
Not the Anon you're replying to, but I got CoH during the sale and holy fucking shit, what an amazing game. I'd recommend it to anyone.
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>>322812076

too bad metacritic and game scores as a whole are cancer.
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>>322812296
im not saying those kinds of resource management things are wrong

its been a while since the genre has anything new or reinvented how it works

its either harvesters or resource points
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>>322804431
It's for balancing purposes. If it was vehicle then no one would have counters for it early on.
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>>322805701

This badly needs a widescreen patch and 60fps unlocker like they did with AoE2 (Forgotten Empires, pre-HD remake).
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>>322811419
It's called "The Touhou Empire" now. It was released a week ago.
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>>322812587
Anything else makes sense?
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>sc2 master race reporting in
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How's Men of War?
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>>322805701
I'm so sad you can't play multiplayer with this on Win8.
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What rts has the best soundtrack and why is it Battle Realms?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxfnU3tW0Uk

But seriously, rts are pretty great when it comes to music.
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>>322803125
IdrA please come back. ;_;
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>>322811419
The campaign in their new one is longer than I expected but the final mission is pretty underwhelming.
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>>322812745
wc3 introduced creeping or jungling as how the term is used in mobas

since you can get a small sum of gold from killing npc mobs then why not just expand on that
killing a bunch of treants will allow your harvesters to gather lumber from the corpse or something
then you'd be contesting against creeps instead of just resource points
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>>322803125
>I got rekt by babby's first 9pool so now I'm going to whine about meta without understanding it
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>>322789262
funny how /v/ shits on SC and SC2 as much. this community prides itself on being not casual and not normy, and playing 'hardcore' games. and when they're faced with a game that is actually genuinely difficult, to a degree where most people playing it will not manage to git gud no matter how hard they practice (there are tons of people having played thousands of games but still stuck in platinum league and below), they shit on it.

just saying this to show you how utterly casual and normie all of you are to people who play genuinely hard games.
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starcraft apm really isn't that much fast clicking, a good bit comes from twitchy tapping which is just checking progress bars or general fidgeting

in broodwar you did have to spam a little more because you had to fight against the engine a bit
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>>322813160
idra went from one shit game to another HotS LOLO
>>322813309
Contesting creeps was always a thing in WC3. The experience from hardcamps were almost crucial early game, not to mention any items that may drop.
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>>322813427
While it's true that most of /v/ are filthy casuals in almost every game they set out to play, there are genuine complaints about Sc2 that should, and to an extent, has been addressed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFO9gKGFPBM

It's also only now, in the 3rd installment of Starcraft 2 that we finally have a more adaptive way of play because each race has more options. Zerg especially.
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>there will never be a gigantic RTS where you have to micromanage tens of thousands of soldiers in country sized maps
>there will never be an MMORTS where everyone plays one unit and theres hundreds of people in a singular game
>there will never be a virtual reality RTS like ender's game where i wave my hands to control the fleet
instead RTS is kill
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>>322804301
Game?
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>>322814228
Looks like Dominion, 3 I think.
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whats the current build order meta for soviets in coh 2

4 cons > if mg molly, if vehicles at nade > t2 (mg/mortar/at gun on situation) and/or medic > t3 fast quad?
or is it fast t70 now?
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>>322814217
>there will never be an augmented reality RTS where you put on glasses and see miniature soldiers fight in your living room and the furniture is terrain
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>>322814228
>>322814409
But it's Heroes of Annihilated Empires
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>>322813919
>Contesting creeps was always a thing in WC3
they contested mostly for xp denial and sometimes for items

its more on not letting that dk hit lvl 3 for that rank 2 death coil

sure you can get something like pipe or bone chimes which are great pickups
theyre not really game changing

when you involve even more resources into play then creeping should become a huge part of the game right?
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Was trying to get into rts's by playing pic related. I played up until the last level then lost interest. Is there something im missing here? or are rts's just not for me?
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>>322815202
Play the second one. But this isn't really a pure rts and not a representative of the genre.
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What's /v/'s opinion on Battle for Middle Earth 2? I really liked the first one, especially Theodens cavalry charges.
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>>322814217
1. SupCom, TA, Spring RTS
2. EVE (sort of), Planetside (2) (maybe)
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE4dOnKEfCY and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6zdOixScfQ
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>>322801093
80% of that time is you leaving the game open.
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>>322807646
what's the difference? base building?
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>>322817445
Yes that's what he is getting at. It's stupid, they're the same thing.
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>ctrl + f supcom
>Only 2 results
baka desu senpai
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>>322789262
I just got Rome 2 off a steam sale. did i do good?
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>>322818528
Not an rts
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>>322817445
Strategy games would focus in having bases and commanding generic units (your AoE 2 swordsmans or your Advance Wars Mech units are all the same and you can keep spawning more of them if you want) while tactics games generally don't have any base building (or bases at all) and focus on commanding a set of unique characters (your MechCommander 2 Mechs or Final Fantasy Tactics generic units are unique to you and can't be reproduced without making another unique unit and going through hoops until it's equal to the one you want to copy).

Or that was how it was explained to me, at least.

>>322817685
Nice excuse not to think, m80.
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>>322812504
I'm working on into cossacks right now, its tough. I don't know why its so difficult for me, am I wrong in thinking it requires a lot of micro for both eco and war? Maybe I'm not used to fighting with the formations yet, or artillery that fires from 1.5 screens away
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what does /v/ think of Knights of Honor?
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>>322818528
Rome 2 had a terrible launch, but that aint new for Total War games. It's a good game in vanilla now. If you like historical accuracy and more depth, the you should look into getting the Divide et Impera mod on the workshop.
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hey /v/ guess what

strategic launch detected
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>>322794929
This shit always overwhelmed me.
>mfw having tons of fronts
>Zoom in
>each one is even more divided the more you zoom
How I even do this shit?
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>>322819804
you go from vague to detailed.

As in do shit knowing it's not perfect and acknowledging that you are missing details. Eventually you realize huh this is that etc. After a while you won't have to use processing power of your brain as you know the patterns.

Much like chess, at first you don't what the fuck's going on. Then you notice patterns, learn situational stuff so you don't have to think about them when playing.
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>>322812076

I thought 2 improved upon CoH1's formula in every way.

Dawn of War 2
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>>322820204
What's a pleb-tier but still good Grand Strategy to start with? You know, baby's first entry into the genre.
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>>322820412
if you want real-time, then Sins of a Solar Empire is good

if you want turn-based, then Civilization is good
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>>322813427
/v/ shits on starfags because before /vg/ they were the most obnoxious faggots ruining every RTS thread
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>>322820412
and if you want grand strategy, most casual I can think of is eu4. I strongly recommend playing it online.

you can also try Crusader kings but it's .. ehh less detailed but somehow more confusing at the start
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>>322820904
I tried Crusader Kings 2 but had no clue what the fuck was happening or what to do after 1 hour and gave up.

I'll try EU4.

>>322820540
Already played Civ, not exactly what I was looking for. But I'll try Sins, I think I have it in my backlog.
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>>322793972

Catachans + Commisar (the melee hero) in DoW2 can do some damage to SM. If you go with just sentinel & guardsmen you will get stomped.
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>>322821105
Except they cost power and you have to hold off tincans from pushing onto your power nodes until then
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>>322819445
No nuke, no air, no game enders, no fun - thermopylae/setons 24/7.

Anyhow - I wept that nukes were so expensive to use. I kind of expected constant nuclear fire over the battlefield :/

However, the butthurt when you got someone by the balls, throwing their strained economy into mex-bug was glorious.
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>>322818708
It's semantics. Is it real, yes. Is it a strategy game, yes.

Its a fucking RTS. I use my brain power on more important things, m8.
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>>322822181
>videogames are beneath me and my double-digit IQ
'kay.
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>>322822181
brain power doesn't get stored senpai, it's a flow. The more you use it the wider the flow.
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>>322800350
blobbing + amoving is still pretty good if your opponent isn't retarded
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How's the warcraft 3 community right now? Would it be a good idea to play as my first rts?
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Has anyone played Shallow Space? Is it any good? I need a new Space RTS.
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>>322803792
>my face when Panzerfusiliers

Holy fuck Germany, you should have fielded more of these motherfuckers during the war
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OKW nerf when?
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>>322811343
>mods

I just got SS in the latest steam sale, what mods are worth getting?
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>>322820840
more like in every rts thread people would shit on starcraft because they were still mad about getting 9pooled on b.net in 1999 so fans were constantly on the defensive and felt like they had to prove that their game was good.
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>>322813017
>All those pointless clicks
Must be nice being an autist that can achieve such speeds while doing nothing
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>tfw love sc2 arcade
>tfw arcade is fixed and free and all your friends downloaded and play it with you now
>tfw the editor is in a better shape than wc3 editor ever was
>tfw no /v/ custom game parties ever happening because everyone still pissed about 2009-2013

why live
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>>322824210
custom maps are pretty much dead, supposedly people still play ladder games. if you do play the game for the love of god play it in the correct aspect ratio.
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>>322824210
as an rts, it's fine. The ai will give you a good challenge and the campaign is very enjoyable.

As for custom games, which carried the community for years, it's dead. Most moved to sc2 or moved to mobas. Very few real mappers left, let alone players to play those maps.
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>>322789262
git gud faggot
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>>322828121
These are Mandatory
Ultimate Apocalypse + Tyranid mod + Daemon Hunters + Chaos Daemons.


I lost a summer to Firestorm over Kronus\Kurava. They changed a lot about it though so I don't know if its any good now.

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