So, when are gonna have the discussion of wether synths are real

>>322781832
why would they discuss whether synths are real people or machines?
theyre fucking machines.

Created by machine + Controllable by machine = Machine

Synths are NOT people. If they were not born from a human womb with full human material, they are not real humans (Test Tube babies are acceptable too, but borderline). Fuck clones, fuck Synths.

>giving rights to a glorified mr handy

They may not be human but they're still sentient beings

>>322782164
The simulated sentience is just a method of subterfuge. It's not real. None of it is.

Na I helped them they have real emotion and after fallout 3 that synth guy in river city was good and helped me so hay you cool to me I'll be cool back that's how I travel the waest

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>>322781984
>>322782026
>>322782070
i don't want to discuss it with you people. I want the game to give me the discussion and let me take part in it. I want to try and convince father that synths have free will and should be treated as living people. I want to try and make the railroad understand that synths are just machines programmed to feel like humans. I don't want to just pick a side and be done with it.

>>322782318
Have you never watched Short Circuit?

>>322781832
That is the absolute ugliest thing I've ever fucking seen

>>322782496
No, can you sum it up for me?

>are these machines that look like people actually just machines or are they people

>>322782635
How old are you?

>>322782456
You do, with bullets. Or lasers

>>322782456
>treated as living people
but theyre
fucking machines

>>322782502
NEVER FUCKING REPLY TO ME AGAIN UNLESS YOU'RE CONTRIBUTING TO THE THREAD

>>322781832
Sorry, that's not how you rip off Dick.

>>322782026
>Fuck clones
Clones are humans, you fucking moron.

>>322782758
So is your body anon. Are you being serious?

>>322782704

Doesn't really matter does it? I could say I'm 45 and you'll assume I'm whatever age you need for your own personal narrative. So I haven't seen short circuit and certainly don't intend too, here's your chance to educate me.

Look they are machines! We can all agree on that but the reason why their is a debate is because they have emotions

>>322781832
My point is why even have a setting with synthetic humans if your game won't have the discussion of what makes us human.

>>322782704
You know he's some fucking kid. Probably never even heard of it.

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>>322782456
>don't want to dicuss it with you people
>posts in public forum

>>322782905

Clones don't have a soul.

Twins have to share a soul but with their soul pieces I guess they're like a dog or something.

>>322783260
You had me going there (^:

>>322783260
Like little mini voldemorts

but they emotions and and and and
no no no no no
every mother fucker from /v/ to god damn mat pat FORGETS THE MOST IMPORTANT FACT
the god damn recall/reset codes
no human has them no living creature can be "reset"

>>322783147
I meant i don't want to get into the discussion of wether synths are people with you guys. I want you to tell me if the game ever does get into it, like it fucking should.
And i want to complain about it being so shit, if it doesn't want to acknoledge the discussion.

>>322783260

Sorry let me rephrase that - IDENTICAL Twins only have half-a-soul. Fraternal twins technically have different genes so I guess they get a pass.

>>322783260
If a clone eats a human can he absorb the soul?

>>322783403
find out for yourself by playing the fucking game
jk it never does game is too shallow to do that

>>322783402
If you get hit in the head your personality can change. You can lose memories. Lobotomy. That's not a good point

>>322783587
but it will not revert completely.

>>322783457
Don't backpedal here man. Buckle down. Fraternal twins clearly "share" one soul but they got disproportionate amounts of it in the womb. Identical twins split evenly

>>322781832
That's a nice looking rack

>>322783496

No - but if they could create a retrovirus to change their genetic structure they may gain a soul as they are no longer genetically identical, but I don't know enough about metaphysics to be sure.

>>322783667
Not that we know of. I'm pretty confident that technology will one day let us completely rewrite a brain

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>>322781832
What the fuck happened to her face?

Are synths actually sapient or just artificial? What the fuck are the Mr Handys for that matter? Codsworth seems self-aware but no other robot appears to be.

Where does this put the ZAX units from previous games? True sapient AI needed to be housed inside enormous machines.

I'm going with the head canon that time + learning = real boyness until Bethesda sort this huge fucking pothole out.

>>322783879
id perefer that bethesda spend time making a good game

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>>322783709
Thanks, im still thinkering with it though. Here's curie's ass

>>322783402
Yet. I'm sure that, if some sort of scientific organization without any sort of ethical restraint devoted over a century to studying the human brain and ways to control it, they would inevitably discover ways to make ordinary people do whatever they want.

>>322783756
I feel like your concept is that a soul is just unique genetic code which seems like a weak argument. Generally souls are considered a metaphysical thing. Maybe souls are drawn to a particular genetic code and are finite? That could mean there are naturally born soulless humans too.

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>2016
>Believing in souls

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>still talking about this joke of a game

>>322783679

I'm tying a soul to genetic variety because it makes the most sense to me and not to the process of plopping out of a vagina.

>>322784040
You forgot your reference
>literally all advertising

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>>322784058
>>322784075
hard core anal pummeling

>>322784132
Plopping is very important to the process. Do clones plop? I think not.

>>322783879
Handy's/Nanny's in 4 are sort of a retcon; they're not nearly as intelligent in any of the other Fallouts. They're basically sentient but not sapient, bound instead by the shackles of their programming. Synths are evidently sapient, or their shackles are so incredibly complex they might as well be.

>>322781832
>that armor

Are we literally Mass Effect now

>>322783879
>no other robot appears to be
Tons of Mr. Handy's seem self aware.

Curie seems sentient, and latter has her consciousness transferred into the body of a Gen III synth.

They really haven't made it clear enough in regards to AI

>>322784047

I like that theory. It can be used to rationalize racism, and therefore make for easy world-building.

>>322784252
What if they artificially test-tube formed the fetus of a clone then put it in a womb of a live surrogate?

>>322784340
Fisto from New Vegas was sentient

>>322784338
it's starcraft you doofus

>>322784137
Let's not get too real here, anon.

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>talking about shitout 4

>>322784252

Dicks also plop out of vaginas constantly. Your dick doesn't get a soul from plopping out of a vagina and neither does a baby! Souls must come from genetics. The only way your dick can have a soul is if you're a chimera and your dick is genetically different.

>>322784386
I suppose if it plops it's good. Hell you don't need he surrogate even just stick it in a rubber tube and squeeze it out with moisture. Boom, soul

Considering they have functions vaginas I cant say I give a shit.

Plus Synths ironically are better people than normal people, as evidenced by valentine and curie - but sexdolls aside, synths should only be used as fodder to fight wars for you.

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jesus, this is why i didn't want to discuss it with you guys. Who gives a shit if there is a soul, i just want the game to have a conversation with me about wether synths should be treated as living intelligent beings or just machinery

>>322782456
You should've come to the conclusion that Fallout 4 is a bad RPG then.

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>Glory dying to BoS attack
>tell her I don't have time to listen to her
>Dying she says she was expecting to see a light but there's only blackness

This is how I knew killing the Railroad was the right thing, synths are just toasters that think they're people.

>>322784626
My dick is part of me. So I figure my dick just transfers the soul to me but since presumably there's one here already the spare buggers back into the vahoohaa. I'm pretty sure that's how babies are born

>>322785029

So wait...does that mean if you stick your dick in a clone fetus it will gain a soul?

>>322785179
I think it actually would absorb my soul

>>322785347

Would that also happen if you fucked a woman pregnant with twins?

>>322785510
I'm not sure science has an answer for that. The twins already have a soul between them, do you think they would try to steal another?

>>322783541
>No, no it does not

>>322785651

I don't know, do we get stronger the more souls we have or is a soul just an extension of our persona after death? We may never know.

What we do know is jet fuel can't melt steel beams.

>>322785674
why the fuck not. Why go with the synth setting if you're not gonna approach the age old discussion?? DO FUCKING ANDROIDS DREAM OF ELECTRIC SHEEP

>>322785836
I think in this conversation I've sort of turns souls into some sort of ghost parasite. So we don't get stronger we could only have 1 per host but twins only have fractions of souls

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>synthetics
>people

Hey OP. This was a fun thread. Thanks for doing it.

>>322782918

No it isn't. Just because you can compare the "mechanics" of a body to a machine doesn't mean it's a machine

>>322781832
Since its not up for a discussion, no matter how you look at it they ARE HUMAN,

They share human DNA
They are fully organic and indistinguishable from any other human
They can procreate with humans

From a biologic standpoint they belong to the same species as us.

And within a single generation of synth/human children their offsprings will lose any implant parts and be 100% human in every way.
Their origin dosnt matter, as even in nature animals reproduce in weird ways and sexual reproduction is only done by a tiny fraction of earths living organism, most numerous ones like bacteria and other single cell organism reproduce asexually by just coping them self.

The question the game posed was "are they sentient", but that question is ultimately pointless.
Due to their similarity to humans interbreeding is unavoidable, and within a blink of an eye nobody will know who has synth origins within them.

To me Railroad was the only faction worth joining, as they were they only ones doing anything good.
Brotherhood was fascist religious sect based around the person of Maxson, with plans of mass genocide of everyone "unclean", unstable and held together only by their hatred sooner or later they will fall apart or start another war.
Institute made too many enemies to ever survive, by the of Fallout 4 every living person on the surface is their enemy and they have more than enough elements inside it trying to tear it apart. Be it synth uprising or revenge from people of commonwealth, they are doomed. Even without the player interference synths already put plans in place to free them self from their oppressors.
Minutmen will join who ever you chose.

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>Not figthing for the waifutution.
>Not shooting down /pol/therhood of butthurt's flying dildo.

>>322783879
wasn't there an AI in Fallout 2 that said China and America making true AI made the AIs know emotions and felt depressed that they can't see the world and shit? and that the nuke wars was their suicide

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>>322786956
you can't trick me synth

>>322781984
I thought Gen 3 synths were completely organic?

>>322783403
A game can only go so deep with a philosophical question like that

>>322784840
What is a soul? Is it the personality? Is it the 'plop'?
is it real?

Can you not think for yourself and make your own conclusions? Any reasonable man will realize theyre sentient machines being treated like slaves.

Good game btw family

>>322781832
Meanwhile.

>confront Benny and let him escape to the Fort
>let yourself get ambushed in the suite
>don't let yourself get ambushed in the suite
>have him crucified
>challenge him to combat
>talk to Swank and keep your weapons in the casino
>don't keep your weapons in the casino
>don't distract Benny's bodyguards
>distract his bodyguards
>attack him on the casino floor
>attack him in the suite
>confront him in his room, let him go
>confront him in his room, attack him

>>322781832
Whether synths are conscious, free-thinking beings or not is irrelevant, but not entirely. They are Institute creations. They are created as full human adults with a specific purpose in mind for their creation. Thus, it makes sense that we would use them as we would use any machine.

The difference here being that synths can also be capable of not just the single purpose they were created for, and for all intents and purposes can be considered to be functional human beings.

>>322783879
Some of them achieve fell sentience.

The crazy pirate robot that commandeered the Constitution has a terminal that reveals he suffered a malfunction that caused him to go beyond his initial programming.

Codsworth is mostly still bound by his protocol, since he's been cleaning your house through the apocalypse, but has become more of a person.

There are plenty of robots in 4 that will openly discuss how they're bound by programming, like he asshole waiter robot that begrudgingly sells you food.

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They're literally fucking robots you homos. Who gives a shit about objects? Are you sentimental?

>>322791210
who's that man?

>>322790275
>"Sir, the assaultron just asked me if it had a soul."
>"Well private, what'd you tell it?"
>"I was gonna tell it no, but in case it somehow developed the ability to feel emotions too I didn't want to tell that to a robot that could easily rip me in half."

>>322791447
The US vice president Joseph Jostar.

>>322781832
What seperates a Naturally born human with a clone? If the institute had augmented surface dwellers to have the same functions and gen 3 synths then would they be considered machines?

With sufficiently advanced technology, humans could create synthetic humans that are made exactly the same way, using the same stuff, that real humans are made of, right down to every individual neuron in the brain.

I'm pretty sure the synths in Fallout 4 aren't that advanced though. So they're machines, just very convincing machines. Their brains have to be pretty complex to behave and act the way they do, though

>>322781984
So are you. You were built by a mobile compact facility most likely over the course of 9 months. Gen 3 synths are built in a less sophisticated but faster way. The only thing separating a gen 3 synth and you is there is not a mind control device stuck in your head.

>>322792186
They are artificial humans with implants to control them. You can see them being made.

>>322781832
JUST PICK THE RED LAZER ENDING AND DESTROY SYNTHS.

>>322784840

Alright, let's see how deep we can make this conversation while limiting ourselves to the dialog system in the game

>Hey there anon, say do you think synths are living intelligent beings that should be treated as such?

>Yes
>No
>Flirt
>[Lie] Yes

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>>322782918
>>322792442
>le you are the same as an artificial robutt meme
Oh, fuck off. I hope technological singularity actually occurs and you fags get to go first.

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>>322793132
>No "where is my son" option

>>322793212
>just a dialogue option
>not a full feature
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t0uCWjQ6Og

" > Talking about Fallout 4"
Just you wait until the DLC, /v/ has always secretly loved the game you faggots are just too contrarian to admit it.

>>322781832
has anyone actually seen the way they make gen 3 Synths? shit was crazy, and looks like they were actually using real tissue when making them.

>>322781832
Ugh, she looks like a used chain smoking motel whore.

>>322793181
What is the difference between you and a gen 3 synth?

>>322786869
what is your definition of "machine"?

>>322793212
>No Silver Shroud option.

>>322793828
I want to play the entire game as The Silver Shroud.

>>322793670
I'm human they aren't. Boom.

>>322782318
>>322782164
>>322781832
https://youtu.be/vjuQRCG_sUw

Here you fucking faggot, stop expecting thought provoking content from Bethsuda

>>322793596
They're basically clones with cybernetic upgrades/controls. Institute was just retarded for thinking putting an Erase Disc button on a human brain would solve any problems.

>>322781832
I just had my first experience with one that I know of. It was the guy holding a gun to his twin claiming he was a synth trying to replace him.

I tried to intermediate but the fucker on the ground tried to kill us both when I convinced the other to lower his gun. Turns out he was a synth and he really was trying to kill and replace the guy.

Before this I was pretty ambevelont about them but bow I say smoke the fuckers. Unless its an old fuck like Valentine or a newborn baby synth on my side like Curie, if I find any synths that have infultrated any place secretly they die. Fuck those things.

>>322793670
I wasn't created for a reason, therefore I'm more important.

>>322794174
thats why Im iffy about the whole thing.
gen 1 and 2 Synths are definitely not human, and are machines, but gen 3 are pretty much humans, just made from a machine instead of a womb

>>322793996
They are just as human as you. Or do you stop being human the moment someone can manipulate you?

>>322794339
Of course there's a reason you were born. Even if you were a mistake there's a reason.

No part of Fallout 4 approaches the "what does it mean to be human" shit on anything more than the most cursory, irreverent level. It was even beaten back heinously this past year in that category by a fucking shit-ass wonky Amnesia rehash.

>>322794281
>find story related synth
>can't kill him because he's a protected NPC

>>322794339
>I wasn't created for a reason
how do you know? do you know how you were created? or were those memories implanted when you were unplugged?

>>322794339
you were created to be the product of 2 different humans, that is your reason for being. whether you choose to pass on your genes to the next generation is up to you.

>>322794468
>They are just as human as you.
They literally aren't. You fucking microwave advocate.

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>it's a /v/ discusses what it means to be a person thread

>>322781832
that is probably an upper level contestant for worst looking character ever designed in a bethesda game. god damn your standards are so shitty.

>>322781832
They are real people, the game clearly treats them as such in no subtle way, and the institute is just too ignorant to see it.
The railroad is too retarded to see their value as being equal to human life, instead of more than.
The only views not birthed out of pure ignorance and retardation are the M&Ms and the Brotherhood.

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But can a robot fall in love?

>>322794961
They literally are. Prove me wrong.

>>322794961
if you watch the way they make gen 3 synths you'll see them use real bone, and human tissue to make them, they arent robotic on the inside, they are flesh and blood. the only thing that makes you different from a gen 3 is you were made in your mommy's womb while they were created by a machine

>>322795391
>let's make a robutt
>aight but let's use bone and cloned tissue so retards defends us
Yeah good job. That's not a fucking human that's an abomination.

not on /v/ not ever take it to tumblr

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>>322795542
From my perspective, humanity is an abomination.

Almost all of my companions are either synthetic or non-human. Does the game really expect me to treat synths as subhumans despite the company I keep?

>>322795758
shut up why are people quoting that shitty movie

>>322795542
>That's not a fucking human that's an abomination.
so whats your definition of human than?

>>322795164
No. They are not people, they should not be programmed to act human. Machines made are utilities to help humanity progress, nothing more.

>>322795758
whoa, why is he in a black coat and a red sweater?

>>322795867
Sperm, eggs, wombs, God given flesh.

>>>/m/

Synths are a metaphor for every character in the whole game. If you get attached to every other NPC but think synths are just artificial intelligence with no free will, you are fucking retarded, because beyond the fourth wall there is no difference.

>>322796082
Most of the human NPCs look like they're made of plastic anyways.

>>322796070
but I dont have eggs or a womb, so am I not human?

>God given flesh.
oh I see, you are one of those kind of people

>>322796070
Great, so I'm closer to a cow than I would be to a synth. Glad to know all that self-awareness I have doesn't matter at all.

>>322788363
What is deus ex
And if a movie like blade runner can be about that question, then why can't a videogame do it better with more time in its hands?

>>322796070
>God given flesh.
and what if that flesh is still god given, but cloned and multiplied. it still came from a sperm and egg

>>322796268
>but I dont have eggs or a womb, so am I not human?
I mean you're made from that. Through that process. Fuck.

I'm not religious but stay triggered.

>>322796396
They're not self aware they're strong AI's. It's emulation and blatant trickery.

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>>322783260
>implying there is something like a "soul"
I don't care if it's bait, this is just bullshit

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>>322781832
Am I the only one who thinks that shoehorning in an issue ripped straight from Blade Runner (and making it the central focus of the plot) was retarded?

I'm actually torn between Bethesda ripping something off and designing something themselves, because Fallout 3 sucked shit and FO4 was SORT of enjoyable. Still, nothing like the older Fallout games.

>>322796560
>They're not self aware they're strong AI's. It's emulation and blatant trickery.
How can you tell the difference?

>>322796801
I dont play bethesda games for story. If you want better new fallout material you are better off playing it as a pen and paper rpg.

>>322797187
>it's okay so long as you don't know
>it's fine to be tricked
No, fuck off. Fuck your robots.

>>322796560
>emulation and trickery
Fucker you just described 99% of /v/'s social interaction

>>322797456
that didnt answer my question.
since you seem to think you are a expert on this subject. How can you tell the difference? how do you know self awareness isnt programmable?

>>322794091
thank you anon, for this. I never expected anything like this from bethesda, but at least a little bit. At least a try from them. Considering that this isn't a new topic, they could have stolen bits and pieces from everywhere. I didn't expect not even adressing the issue in the game, though.

>>322795326
A robot like curie can't.

A synth curie can.

>>322797782
An AI never "thinks" the same way we do. It can never develop emotional tied preferences. It's called artificial intelligence for a reason, it's fake. It's a glorified high tech calculator. A microwave made with machines using unorthodox materials with high computing attached to it, that's it.

It simply isn't human, it's a property with no rights. I bet you give nicknames to your fridge.

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>>322795097
let's see yours, fag

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>>322798837

>>322796801
It just feels so out of place.

A heavily forced Blade Runner plot does not work with Bethesda's forced whacky 50's setting one damn bit. If Beth at least tried to bring in some of the 80s/90s influences from the earlier games then they could have made it work, but in Beth Fallout time stopped in the 50's and never progressed.

And they didn't even have the goddamn common courtesy to include Deckard's gun.

>>322798686
glorified high tech calculator. A microwave made with machines using unorthodox materials with high computing attached to it
what do you think your brain is, anon?

>>322798686
Artificial:
made or produced by human beings rather than occurring naturally, typically as a copy of something natural.

Intelligence:
the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.

no where in the definition of AI does it say it cant think the same way we do, or that its fake. its simply an intelligence humans created. that doesnt mean its fake. humans are natural things, what we make is natural, just as a bird's nest is natural. a being or creature created with flesh in a lab and given intelligence created by humans doesnt make it a machine, it means its a creature created in a lab.
if a synth is created for a purpose, then chooses not to do that and escapes, its making a decision on its own and using the intelligence given to it to make that decision.

>>322799152
When did they add the body hair mod?

>>322781832
Nothing involving the Institute makes any sense, at all. Nothing. Their goals, quest structure, choices, technology.

>>322800423
>Hey guys lets combine The Master, The Think Tank, and some slavers and make their entire purpose "the greater good" with zero development otherwise

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>>322799395
A living organ born through natural and human way. Smashing a telephone is not a crime nor is it morally wrong or despicable. Doing something similar to a real person is inhumane. It makes your very being cringe in protest if you're not a sociopath.

>>322799682
Humanity comes first and foremost. When your TV decides not to display channels you want it to then it's trashing time.

>>322800740
Pretty much, but like what is their "greater good"? What is their end goal? If you beat the game siding with the Institute they just don't have any enemies and they put synths out in the open on the surface to let the commonwealth "simply know we exist". And then they do nothing. It's almost implied they are making the child Shaun synth in order to make synths that can reproduce and grow like humans, as if they meant to create a new race of superhumans to replace man. But they refuse to admit synths are anything but tools, non-sentient robots. So they're basically: fucking retarded.

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>>322801047

>>322800901
I can never tell if you people are just stirring up shit for fun or if you genuinely think this way. Regardless of how a sentient brain is developed (evolution of human engineering) it's the same object. Destroying a human brain (or "cappin' a nigga" to help translate for you) is the action you are calling morally wrong.

>>322801356
*Evolution OR human engineering

>>322800901
So you're given a human and a synth that looks exactly the same and behaves like a normal human would. You're asked to determine which one is the synth.

Your solution is... kill one and see if it makes you feel bad?

>>322801356
Dude one is a human brain the other one is a computer. I will rather save a retarded person than a really advanced clock.

>>322801874
I scan the fake nigga and pull his plug out. Fuck being tricked, especially when a human life is at stake.

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>there's no why

>>322802164
>i'd rather save a retarded person than something that can actually do something.

Idiot, the mentally damaged don't deserve to live.

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>>322802961
>my son can't sing! I'll kill him instead of my radio given the choice!
Hope your fucking daughter is braindead you cable fucker.

>>322803268
>hurr singing is the same as being mentally handicapped.

What's wrong? got a retard in your family?

>>322803454
It's because you said
>something that can actually do something.
You value functionality more than human life. You're a spoiled psychopath mate. How did you get past the captcha?

>>322803858
Retards aren't human, their brains are fundamentally broken.

They contribute nothing to humanity.

>>322802164
>scan the fake
The hell do you mean, "scan"? You just carry an X-Ray with you at all times?

And you'd willfully end the life of a self-aware being with no justification other than "look, it thinks it's people"? The hell would you do if you were raised in a society where blondes weren't considered people?

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The only good synth is a dead synth.

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>>322804370
easy
He'd do something like this

>>322804224
You contribute nothing to society. You're posting on a Chinese cartoon porno site, your semen is pipe cleaner at this point. You might even be inferior to a retard. And you're a still human.

>>322804370
>The hell would you do if you were raised in a society where blondes weren't considered people?
What kind of a disconnected example is that? Robots are objectively not human unlike blonds.

>>322781832
>Fucking never

We had tons of them already.
They are machines, honorary "humans".

>>322804785
>hurr personal attacks because he cant deny that retards aren't people.

What does that make you, fellow chinese cartoon porno site poster?

>>322782456
>I want the game to give me the discussion and let me take part in it.

That would require some effort and some conviction from the devs, you don't want to offend people and hurt their feelings right?

>>322792442
synths dont have a soul

/thread

>>322784840
What armor jumpsuit is that?
Is it a mod?

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>>322805003
A human.

>>322781832
the discussion of whether synths are human or not, is the same discussion on are nigger slaves human or not.

>>322805314
then we have our answer laid out for us.

If Thomas Jefferson would fuck it, it's human.

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A MACHINE IS A MACHINE. PURGE ALL NON-HUMANS.

>>322804785
>this adjective that i can only define in the most arbitrary, circular terms is totally objective
>everyone in history who killed people due to perceived inferiority, inhumanity, or ungodliness was wrong, but i can't be

>>322805540
What makes you think Thomas Jefferson has good taste in who to fuck?

>>322806074
Those people killed fellow humans thinking they're inferior.

I'm talking about turning off appliances.

>>322806287
>Those people killed fellow humans
>I'm only killing/apes/kikes/w/e

>>322782905
I already am.

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>>322806279
You think this hot piece of stately manhood didn't have have taste and his pick of the litter?

>>322806287
>implying a slave owner didn't consider his slaves "appliances"
>still hasn't defined "human" in any terms that don't also cover rats

>>322806517
Black people are people, Jewish people are people etc.

Cars are not people.

>>322782456
Jesus Fucking Christ.

You want to much from that shity game Anon.

Too much Todd, eh?

>>322806701
All I'm saying is how do you know he has good taste?

Don't forget, some good looking guys are fatass chasers.

Fallout 4 never even bothered to figure out why the Institute was making synths or why they were bodysnatching people and replacing them with synths, and those are primary story beats that the game should have touched on.

If they couldn't get those parts on paper, what makes you think they could handle writing a nuanced debate on the rights of synthetic life forms with free will?

>>322806701
>that hot looking guy couldn't POSSIBLY suck black dicks in his free time

>>322781832
Is that the CBBE body OP? or just an armor mod that makes her tits look huge?

>>322805853
GAS THE SYNTH -- Wait are synths affected by poison gas?
WHATEVER.
RACE WAR NOW.

>>322807192
Synths can take poison and radiation damage so yes gas will kill them.

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>>322807141
In this instance, there's nothing to support that he did.

>>322807045
Perhaps. But is it not more likely that he liked conventional beauty dipped in a chocolate glaze?

>>322807495
I would say it's about 50/50

All we know is he doesn't care about race and will bang anyone.
And that's good enough.

>>322805258
kerrigan suit with cbbe

>>322781832
Never because FO4 doesn't have the depth of writing required to tackle the subject of what it means to be human

watch bladerunner instead of playing this shitty game

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>>322787573

>>322790275
>There are plenty of robots in 4 that will openly discuss how they're bound by programming, like he asshole waiter robot that begrudgingly sells you food

how does being bound by their programming make them not sentient?

i am, as a human being, bound to desire certain things (food, sex, etc,) and I can't really choose to stop desiring them

Gen 3 synths can die from starvation and dehydration?

>>322789075
And it's one fucking quest.

ONE. QUEST.

With about 4 diffrent ways to complete it and 3 possible outcomes.

>>322809370
And the plot is retarded. I still dont understand why they had to make Gen 3 synths when most ended up being useless. I'd understand if they collected data by infiltrating enemies, but the fuckin game

Why am i think thinking about this. The game is shit and the story is shit and undeveloped.

>>322807190
its cbbe with body slider. the suit is kerrigan's suit from starcraft

>>322781832
People is the wrong word. They are sentient beings, they deserve to be treated with right. They are not HUMANS, but the are intelligent life.

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>>322781832
there's a room where you can literally watch a machine make them in under 1min 30secs

I know one of you chucklefucks made a webm of it.
someone post it

>>322809403
Took me half a dozen tries to get the result I wanted: ambushing him alone in the presidential suite, shotgun to the face, leave him rotting face down on the carpet. Felt so satisfying.

>>322781832
Play The Talos Principle. That game turned me into a Synth sympathizer.

>>322810571
i did, it was a great game. I didn't expect high literature from f4. but at the very least an attempt from bethesda

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>>322810543
I beat Fallout: NV about three times and I still don't know who the fuck Raul is. Or... Bonnie? That is the name of that faggot?

Geez... I don't even know if I visited all vaults.

>created cell by cell
>machine
The last Gen are just programable humans. Not even debatable.

>>322806732

>Black people are people, Jewish people are people etc.

The point is, not all people agree(d) with this. And they used the same reasoning, "what I say is human, is. What I say isn't, isn't."

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>>322813556
Memes aside, those people are wrong.
People advocating that speakerphone has human rights are wrong too.

>>322809716
They are human all the way down to the genetic level. What makes them not human?

>>322796801

it could've worked a bit better if they actually gave the players a real reason to fear synths. Like maybe some being bodysnatcher bioweapons to push an agenda, or having a "freewill" that could be overridden at any time without their knowledge or consent, making them perfect sleeper cells with technology that could be used for graver purposes.

Instead, it all just comes off as a forced "muh humanity" or whatever, just there to make a Bladrunner reference for the sake of being a Bladerunner reference.

>>322813934
Why's it not human? It's got flesh, blood, general human DNA. Entirely capable of procreating with a human. It just was manually put together instead of being developed from Chromosomes.

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Kill all synths.
Kill all sympathizers.
It's the only way.

>>322816837
No soul would willingly inhabit a machine even if it has human parts.

>>322817086
What constitutes a "soul"?

It's an entirely flat term, we have nothing that confirms the existence of a soul.

>>322817376
>i tip my fedora
How about the fact that you're alive, and yet science can't explain why, otherwise we'd already have 100% organic "synths" walking around rather than a bunch of lifeless but otherwise fully functioning bodies lying around.

>>322782758
Missing the point retard.

>>322818524
>And yet science can't explain why

Obviously in Fallout 4, they did. ANd that's how they have synths.

And even then, you've still yet to do anything other than go
>muh, muh soul!
You're sitting on a chinese cartoon board shitposting about a mediocre video game. Most of the synths in said mediocre game do much more than that, so I doubt a soul holds much water.

>>322782456
You dont understand Bethshit game, anon.
They always present you with a problem and multiple people with different stance that will hopefully cover all point of view. You "debate" by shooting/hacking the sides you dont agree with.
And doing something as persuading an institution take too much time. You cant persuade one side without persuade its opposite. Institute created synth from scratch but they are still mentally defect. Synths are also vital to their operation in the roles of slaves of course they wont see synth as anything more than flesh robot. Railroad cant be changed without changing the institute and vice versa but both have been going at it too long to be cheapened by some speech check. And do you honestly want half the end game to be a cyoa novel?
in fallout 1, you "persuade" the master by pointing out a convenient plot point
in fallout 2, you can persuade an enclave stormfront scientist to blow the base up for you by "it's not mutation, it's evolution lol"
in fallout 3, you point out eden's logical fallacy (50's science lmao)
in new vegas, you point out how legion cant hold both east and west at the same time

all are physical/political arguments rather than ideological. while the synth problem of fallout 4 between factions is one of idea and morals (nobody care about joe the wastelander anyway)

>>322820602
Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas aren't Bethesda you retard.

>b-b-but robots are people too
I thought this shitty Trek meme died with the series

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>>322820747
:^)

>>322821247
They weren't developed by Bethesda's in-house studio, you retard.

>>322788223
when you kill them they have wires and metal inside of them

>>322822020
So does kellog. He is human. Gen 3 synths are clones with implants to control them.