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Why haven't more games tried to mimic Soul's combat mechanics?

Is it too much for casuals?
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You mean Monster Hunter mechanics.
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>mimic Soul's

You mean Zelda's? Specifically Twilight Princess.
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>>322755804
what is shithunter?
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>>322755669
Define ``Soul's combat mechanic''?

You mean "hit at the right moment or get shreked" combat mechanic? Never done before, right?
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>>322755669
It isn't the "Soul's" combat mechanic. But I do agree that not enough games have this type of gameplay. Every Time they do they tend to do pretty well. Even Lords of the Fallen had an ok launch.
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>>322755804
Nigga there combat systems are nothing alike
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Is Souls now babby's first action RPG?
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>>322755804

Monster hunter and Souls play absolutely nothing alike.

I really don't understand why they get compared so often.

For one monster hunter has no lock on, and relies much more on positioning to avoid attacks, instead of abusing I-frames (sans supermans)
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>>322756868
yeah it is a must play for the cool kids now
>>322755669
these combat mechanics are old as fuck how about doing your own research casual
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>>322757274
>>322755953
>>322756624

He means the stamina meter, slow attacks that you can't cancel out of, long wind ups and high damage
It doesn't fit every game since it forces a slower pace, but more games should copy it. The stamina meter especially
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>>322756905
Generalization I suppose, kinda like every jrpg is FF.
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>>322756868
What is the adult answer to action RPGs?
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>>322757274
Okay, name one game that shares soul's combat mechanics. And no bloodborne
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>>322756868
Nah m8 that definitely goes to zelda
Souls games are like edgey teen years
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>>322757534
>Okay, name one game that shares soul's combat mechanics
Lords of the Fallen.
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>>322755669
Oh my, could the combat mechanics you talk about predate the Souls games? You mean Souls games aren't original? PERISH THE THOUGHT
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>>322757771
Is there more games? Not from From, ofc.

I'm not same person, btw.
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>>322755669
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>>322757771
>300k owners
>2million and 1million for Souls
So this is the power of youtube.
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>>322757771
>these combat mechanics are old as fuck
Anything before souls? LOTF was shit, I forgot it existed
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>Is it too much for casuals?
Look at the direction they went with Bloodborne and you tell me.
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It's clunky, janky, outdated, and SHOCKWAVES based. Just overall not that good.
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>>322757998

Die by the sword
Arx Fatalis
Dark Messiah
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>>322758168
You're blaming youtube for LotF's failure?
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>>322755669
The combat is great but it would be boring as shit in any other game.
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>>322758301
>SHOCKWAVES
Shitter detected
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>>322757519
By his spoonfed standards, probably Diablo 1 or 2.
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It was only released a few years ago and only got popular recently

And there are already some clones popping up like that Ninja GaidenXSouls PS4 exclusive, Lords of the Fallen and that one 2D indie which claims to be "Sidescroller Souls"
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>>322758379
>Dark Messiah
How? Just because you use a sword and shield? They play completely differently
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>>322758296
you mean harder?
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>>322755804
This.
It's exactly the same.
Plebs can keep denying this all they want.
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>>322758489
>Shitter

Shittiest detected
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>>322757362
Stamina meter is not exclusive to Souls, it has always existed as a mechanic

"Souls gameplay" is about the level design, not about the character controls or how the basic combat mechanics work, since those are the most simple and not-unique aspects of Souls games
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>>322758296

I have seen lots of posters here accuse BB of trying too hard to be hard even though you can have up to 20 blood vials.
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>>322758493
Even Ys animu shit is better than DaS
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>>322758296
But Bloodborne is the hardest of all Souls games
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>>322756905
Stamina bars, item wheels, upgradable equipment, attacks based on weapon type, iframes via dedicated evasion button, inventory management doesn't pause combat, I wouldn't say they have nothing in common.
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>>322758690
Boss battles, sure.

Everything else: No.
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>>322755669
Dark Souls combat is actually incredibely simple.
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>>322758690
I haven't played Ys, but why is it so cool to hate on DaS or just Souls in general? It was a really fun game when I first played it and even then it still gives me enjoyment.
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how to mimic dark souls combat:
- cap framerate at 15
- add retarded action queueing
- backstab and similar combat actions are now just simple animations make both parties invulnerable to anything because we're lazy idiots
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>>322758908
But everything else in Souls games are shit. Even most of the boss are shit.
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I didn't play Dark Souls until quite recently, to the point I haven't really finish a first run through the whole thing just yet.
However, playing for as long as I have, I think the gameplay and mechanics are what a good sequel for a Soul Reaver game could have been.
Also Castlevania games would do pretty good with similar combat mechanics.
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>>322758981
>Saying that something is better than Souls games means I hate it
What a kiddie logic you have
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>>322758575
>quicken the pace
>get rid of all magic
>got rid of all punishing mechanics
>allows Leeroy Jenkins style play
>lower the weapon count and player customization
>speed up the gameplay
>reduce the stamina consumption considerably allowing attack spam
>ranged combat changed to guns so no projectile travel distance any more
>retard mode lore
>regenerating HP
>fall damage considerably reduced

Yeah. BB went in the direction of higher difficulty. Practically no one can even finish it due to its higher requirement of skill and preparation.
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>>322758663
Not many games balance their stamina meter in the same way. It drains very quickly so you have to pay attention to it more than in other games, and manage it strategically. Having stamina increase slower when the shield is raised was a great idea. Obviously I know that other games used a stamina meter.
>level design
So it would be the same game if they used Bayonetta's combat for example?
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>>322755868
on paper, Dark souls is a 3D metroidvania.
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>>322755669
why do games have to mimic souls?
just play souls if you want souls combat fuck.
hop off from software's dick
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>>322759125
>Even Ys animu shit is better than DaS
That statement implies that you seriously dislike the game.
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>>322759125
Are you retarded? You called Ys 'animu shit' and said it was better than Dark Souls
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>>322759025
You forgot
>purposely leave information out of the players way to make the game seem harder simply because it doesn't explain you how it works
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>>322759131
>Practically no one can even finish it

Funnily enough, the only truth in your post was this ironic statement. Father Gascoigne trophy has about 65% completion rate.
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>>322759027
>its shit
Great argument!
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>>322759208
This. They're the only ones that can do it right anyway, unless the old devs of the games it copied originally somehow come back from the dead.
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>>322759027
Same thing with Ees and its poor level design and basic as fuck gameplay.

Some good bosses here and there though.
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>>322755669
>What is salt and sanctuary
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>>322759230
>animu shit
Guess what I hate
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>>322758379
I can understand Die by the Sword. But Arx Fatalis and Dark Messiah? They're not even third person.
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>>322755669
You mean having all attacks root you to the ground and having barely any control over how your weapon moves?
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>>322759498
an unreleased game
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>>322757519
I think by "babby's first" he meant kids think Dark Souls is revolutionary in ways that it isn't (like the combat system pretty much being Legend of Zelda). It's still a great game though.
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>>322757362
So...Monster Hunter then?
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>>322759656
do you want to handle your weapon like this is fucking Trespasser?
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>>322759451
Still better than Souls.

Souls is just roll, roll and attack even bosses (some occasional bland environmental shit). At least Ys have variety, climbing on bosses and shit
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>>322759551
So let me get this straight, by using your logic, you're ranking something(which you hate) over something Souls(something you claim not to hate). Did I get that right?
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>>322759390
Only 44.1% of PC players have lit a single bonfire in Dark Souls 1

People just don't play games, sometimes.
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>>322760019
Maybe PC gamers are so hardcore that they don't need no bonfire.
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>>322759885
Pretty sure he was talking about having Jedi Outcast/Academy style combat.
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>>322759968
I hate anime style. You're a one dense motherfucker.
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>>322760019
The achievements were released long after the game came out
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>>322759850
>kids think Dark Souls is revolutionary in ways that it isn't (like the combat system pretty much being Legend of Zelda)
I don't even know what to gather from a statement like this. You thought zelda was hard or you noticed that you can use a sword and shield or maybe because link can roll... I don't know what versions of either of these series you were playing to have this make sense to you.
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>>322760163
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>>322755804
>>322755868
Why do people feel the need to state that they liked it before it was cool?
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>>322760163
>You're a one
Jesus fuck
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>>322759131
>quicken the pace
Makes it harder to predict enemies and less time to react, also no more easy shield mode
>get rid of all magic
Makes PvE much harder due to no easy way to defeat enemies from afar and there is PvP based magic
>got rid of all punishing mechanics
But there are MORE punishing mechanics, Backstabs are harder to get, parry has a shorter window, enemies are faster and relentless compared to slow and predictable, souls now may be attached to enemies instead of the place you died...
>allows Leeroy Jenkins style play
What the fuck does this even mean? All Souls games are able to be rushed and somehow exploited for an easy fast run, if that's what you mean.
>lower the weapon count and player customization
All weapons have unique movesets, previous souls simply had 10 different skins for the same moveset and slightly different stats

Player costumization is indeed a good argument but not about difficulty, since cosmetics don't affect the gameplay

>speed up the gameplay
You're repeating yourself because you lack arguments, already debunked that the first time
>reduce the stamina consumption considerably allowing attack spam
Not true at all, but there is a good number of agility weapons, which are supposed to do that. Slow strength weapons still consume regular Souls stamina.
>ranged combat changed to guns so no projectile travel distance any more
Ranged combat has been removed to make the game harder

Also the bullets actually have travel time and distance anyway

>retard mode lore
Lore doesn't make the game easier or harder

>regenerating HP
By taking a risk of getting beat up again and dying, is there to even the odds for the player who lacks another defense that isn't abusing invi frames on dodging

>fall damage considerably reduced
The only places where you're in the risk of falling down are high enough that you die anyway
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>>322759390
The first progress based achievement in a game generally has a completion rate of something like 70-80%, game complete achievements are generally like 30-40%. If Father Gascoigne is the final boss that's a pretty ridiculous completion rate.
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>>322760274
We're talking about the combat mechanics, not the game's difficulty. Zelda could have been as difficult as Dark Souls if enemies did more damage and were arranged differently. Sword & board combat isn't unique.

Are you talking about invuln frames or stamina/shield breaking or whatever? Those aren't new either.
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>>322760019
>Only 44.1% of PC players have the Steam achievement for lighting a bonfire in Dark Souls 1
Fixed that for you. Everybody who gave a shit about DaS was done with it far before it switched from GFWL to Steam.
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>>322760019
you can easily explain that with the shitload of people who got Das on sale and probably didn't invest much, or any time in it
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>>322760243
>>322760019
And only 62% of PS3 players have rung both bells
people are casuals
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>>322760364
I agree but you nitpicking fucks can't die soon enough.
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>>322759164
>So it would be the same game if they used Bayonetta's combat for example?
>Souls level design with CUHRAZY combat

No, it woudldn't be the same, it would be BETTER, i'd play the shit out of that
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>>322760334
not that guy, but I understood what he meant from the very beginning
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>>322759131
>Practically no one can even finish it

You what? My retarded sister finished Bloodborne
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>>322755669
It's slow as dirt
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>>322760443
Father Gascoigne is the first boss, second depending on how good you are at the game
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>>322760578
Reading comprehension isn't part of Common Core I think.
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>>322760163
>>322759551
>>322759125
Literally illiterate.
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>>322760443
it's the second boss, maybe the first if the one of the bridge is skippable (I don't know)
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>>322760681
>second depending on how good you are at the game
No, second if you didn't explore.
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>>322760019
PC version doesn't log achievements of those playing in offline mode. It has nothing to do with Steam and everything to do with From. All of their PC ports have that same issue. So while the system will log players as owning it, if they stay in offline mode to play games, achievements won't update nor upload the achievements gotten offline. TLDR: there's no way to know the real percentages about that.
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>>322760725
>Literally illiterate
You can't be figuratively illiterate
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>>322757534
severance
rune
die by the sword
deathtrap dungeon
gothic risen series
even mount and blade
even all the cruhazzzy games

action based combat is nothing new because you see a stamnia and the fighting is slowed it is not special at all
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>>322760565
>Just slap LE CUHRAZY COMBAT on EVERYTHING
Did you miss the tone/atmosphere of the souls games? I'm glad people like you don't make games
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>>322759930
But I did say Ys had better bosses. It's just that everything else about it is nothing special.
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>>322760681
>>322760751
That sounds pretty average to me then. People just don't play games they buy as much as you might think.
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>>322760353

>Why don't people do thing?
>You mean like we have been for years?
>Fucking hipsters.
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>>322760843
And?
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>>322760843
yes, you literally can.
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>>322760963
Just the combat is good enough, Dark Souls 2 didn't had the same atmosphere as DaS1 but the combat was still satisfying.
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>>322755669
You mean Mary Sue Combat System?
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>>322760963
Just ignore cuhrazyfags
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>>322760919
>We'll never have a sequel to Gothic series
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>>322760775
There are people who think Cleric Beast is harder than Gascoigne and generally recommend new players to go for Gascoigne first and then Cleric Beast

It kind of makes sense for Gascoigne to be the first boss since Cleric Beast is more like a bonus/secret boss, since killing it doesn't do anything other than giving you an additional weapon, it doesn't progress the story in any way
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>>322760919
>gothic
>mount and blade
>cruhazzzy
Those are the ones I've played, an they're nothing like Souls. Do you think that having a sword and shield makes souls a copy of those games?
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>>322761103
Thank you for literally showing me you as an example.
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I'm legitimately surprised Sony hasn't remastered Demon's Souls yet to cash in on the Souls craze even further.
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>>322761141
didn't have the same atmosphere as Das =/= had an atmosphere even remotely similar to a curahzy game

plus the atmosphere in Das2 wasn't as dense or well made as in the original, but they surely were aiming for it. it respected the tone of Das1.
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>>322761348
I'd buy an HD remaster on the PS3!
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>>322761148
>mary sue

Is this the epik new 2016 meme supreme?
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>>322760467
Sword an board is one option. You could even dual wield shields if you wanted to. If stupidity is just what we're doing here, Zelda copied every other game with hero who uses a sword and shield.

There's no real magic system in zelda. There's no stamina management, no focus on positioning to get optimal damage from a swing, no parrying or poise system, no multiplayer of any kind... It's a button masher for children. I cannot follow whatever logic (or lack of it) you're going for here. How fucking bizarre.
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>>322761348
>remastered
I'll blow my brains out if I see another remaster game for PS4.
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>>322761245
it takes like 5 molotovs to obliterate cleric beast ffs
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>>322760681
>>322760775
>>322761061

To some casual who didn't keep up with the game's news and all gameplay videos, missing the Cleric Beast is pretty easy, i remember many players, even here, saying they found Gascoigne first

It makes sense because the way to Gascoigne is show before the bridge to Cleric Beast
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>>322761441
Maybe he means the roll, roll, stabbity stab mechanics
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>>322760775
Second if you do explore. Father Gascoigne is mandatory
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>>322760467
>They are the same because you can roll and block!
Is this real
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>>322760919
Mount and Blade's combat is very different from Souls. Unlike Souls it is directional, has no stamina, you have pretty much full control of your character while attacking and doing stuff, it's basically quick and fluid unlike Souls where you get locked in an animation etc.

Severance Blade of Darkness is the most similar game to Dark Souls among those I've played.

>>322761184
Do you really want another Gothic 4?
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>>322755804
>dark souls ripped off monster hunter
>games are nothing alike
>implying monster hunter didn't rip off PSO
>so souls games rip off PSO
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>>322761541
Did any of the zelda games actually feature rolling as pat of necessary combat? I remember in the N64 games, link could roll out of combat to bash into things but in combat he would do a short hop, not that it was ever necessary or even wise to use it when you could just block things for free.
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>>322755669
More like Soul's slow combat is for casual. Gimme the speed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9XySbVdM5o
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>>322761838
In WW you roll if you parry an enemy.
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>>322761890
Why did From forget about Armored Core, anon? ;-;

If i made an indie game about 2fast4u mecha combat would you play it?
Sorry it's 2D because i gotta make it alone but i promise no memes
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>>322761541
So every game where you can dodge/block/attack is the same?
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>>322762135
I remember reading about Armored Core in a game magazine when I was younger and wanting so badly to play it. All the customization made it seem really cool. But I couldn't find it for sale anywhere.
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>>322761901
>QTE
So the games are nothing alike
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The games are niche, they just have a vocal fan base that make them seme more relevant than they are
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>>322762241
I'm not who you think you're replying to if that's what you mean. I just wanted to answer your question.
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>>322755669
Wait, Souls had good combat mechanics?
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>>322762250
I'm sure the sales numbers don't hurt either.

But yeah. Niche markets are a very powerful thing to have command over. So long as the core audience remains faithful, your IP will be deified and worshiped loudly.
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>>322762135
I'll play it if it's fun
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Souls fags are the worst. THE WORST.
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>>322762764
People who type like you annoying cunts. ANNOYING CUNTS.
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>>322760595
Seems like retardation is a common trait in your family.
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>>322763186

Nice ad hominem. My point is that Bloodborne is perfectly doable. Most people who play it can beat it.
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>>322763139
Don't worry about it friend. IT FRIEND.
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>>322759871
Monster Hunter stamina only applies to dodging/blocking/sprinting though. And mounting monsters I guess.

I don't get why people try to hard to call the two similar, I like both but they really don't play all that alike other than the whole "You have to commit to your attacks" thing. And even then they're definitely not the first or only games to do that.
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>>322758690
>>322758981
Ys combat is literally just running into enemies from the side, there's no skill to it, you just gotta hope the RNG sides with you when you collide
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>>322763284
>Nice ad hominem
No. It's clear that he was being ironic. Like I said, you're a fucking retarded
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>>322763348
Okay, no problem buddy. PROBLEM BUDDY
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>>322760364
>All weapons have unique movesets, previous souls simply had 10 different skins for the same moveset and slightly different stats
Eh there were some copy pasted movesets but it wasn't based on weapon type and even when there were shared moves there were plenty that didn't share EVERY move with another weapon. Take the generic Mace and the Heide Knight Sword in DS2 for example. Their R1s are identical but they aren't even the same type of weapon, and the rest of their moveset has various differences.
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>>322763560
Please stop doing this. DOING THIS.
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>>322763543
>I was just pretending to be retarded

I don't even know why I still come here sometimes
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>>322763706
Me neither. How you're even able to turn on a computer baffles me.
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>>322763646
After you kid. YOU KID.
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>>322763905
Please stop it. STOP IT.
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>thread devolved into meaningless arguments
every time
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>>322763964
Okay, you win. YOU WIN
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>>322764138
This is getting fucking stupid. FUCKING STUPID.
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>>322764226
No joke this time, I give up. GIVE UP
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>>322759131
What is happening in this webm? Why does his HP regenerate so quickly?
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>>322764341
Bloodborne has a system where you gain your health back if you hit back right away as long as the red bar past the white line is still there
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>>322764601
Wow. That is absolutely retarded.
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>>322762207
Too bad, anon, i had tons of fun playing Armored Core 3, the costumization at the time was so overwhelming and cool

You should try emulating it

>>322762742
I promise it will be

I remember an amazing DS game which i think was a remake of some old mecha arcade game, and it was basically really fucking fun and fast and full of explosions, i wish i could remember it

Anyway i'm making the gameplay kind of like that with shooting but also a combo system for melee gundam wing combat
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>>322758838
They share a lot of elements, but the combat plays out nothing alike.
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>>322756868
Skyrim is.
Souls is babby's first harrrrdcore game.
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>>322764846
It's only there to make dex build glass cannons viable
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>>322764994
Bangai-O?
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Souls doesn't have any unique combat mechanics, or unique mechanics in general

pretty much the only reason they stand out is for their philosophies regarding difficulty
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>>322758009

>game has you play as a big chunky, slow Space Marine
>actually using heavy armour and slow weapons will fuck you up

Well shit.
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>>322765165
YES THANK YOU

Bangai-O Spirits to be more precise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgQz-DZHavA
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>>322765125
>tripfag
Fuck off. FUCK OFF
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>>322755804
How is getting hit by a mimic whole you're directly behind it Monster Hunter mechanics?

I've never had such a gamebreaking problem like that on my monhuns.

And you can't roll like a fucking barrel on monhun either.

Why do people like Souls again? is it true it is babby's first hardcore game for hardcore gaymurs like myself?
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>>322757362
>Every WRPG is a Monster Hunter clone
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>>322765125
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8
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>>322757831
Fuck this game is good. Fucking traps man

>tfw bobbing and weaving between orcs and goblins
>they hit each other
>enemy brawl breaks out
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>>322765396
>WRPG
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>>322765271
>thinking space marines are clunky or slow

They are genetic perfection, faster than fuck and agile as some kind of fucked up mutant cat.

It's often said the scariest thing about a space marines is their speed. Not slow.
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>>322755669

Can we instead talk about why no one, especially western developers have copied this game's combat mechanics?

It has QTEs which western players seem to love yet it is an integral part of the combat mechanics and still remains a legitimately hard game while doing so.
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>>322765396
Did you reply to the wrong post?
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>>322764226
>>322765125
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>>322765501
>they steal your kills
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remember when a lot of people sperg about "souls like games" here
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>>322755669
Because the mechanics are the worst aspect of the Souls games? You have noticed how combat is hilariously unbalanced, hotboxes are some of the poorest in the industry, animations are garbage and everything is reliant on iframes, right?
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>>322765806
>i-frames are bad
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>>322765571
Why would they need to copy Soul's combat when they could be copying their own like Kicking Simulator and Severance?
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>>322765365
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>i saw a webm of it once and now i pretend like it happened to me

just stop you fucking teenie bopper
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>>322765806
Holy mother of bullshit. How is combat imbalanced? Certain weapons are better than others but literally everything is viable to finish the game with. Hitboxes are a fucking meme tier reason for bashing Souls.

Outside of very rare instances Ds, DS1, and Bloodborne have fucking suberb hitboxes and DS2 has more cases of bad than those but still nothing to warrant "some of the poorest in the industry".
Animations of fucking fine, some better than others but nothing qualifies as garbage.
Iframes are in most games and Souls has some iframes but nothing in the game is reliant on it. You can use them to your advantage but dodging is just as well without trying to abuse them.

You know shit all about Souls, clearly
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>>322755669
you mean the shitty unresponsive controls mechanic?
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>>322765635
>knock enemies of a cliff because I'm beat to fuck after fighting a pack of orcs with those fucking poisoned swords
>realize I get no xp from killing them that way

There's no winning. Only not losing.
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>>322766889
Only played Dark Souls 2?
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>>322755669
This game have much better combat. Too bad it's incredibly hard.
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>>322767321
How many people have beaten blade of darkness? It's probably the hardest game I've ever played.
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>>322766889
They controls aren't unresponsive, you just can't cancel out of any actions
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>>322767321
>>322767637
The game's engaging but as a whole it's really not that hard, I'd say large parts of it (especially bosses) are disappointingly easy.

At least as a knight. You just do a ludicrous amount of damage using the combo, many of the level bosses go down in a single one. And of course you have to have a brain and do things like switch to blunt for enemies that take more damage from it.
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