>tfw couldnt let go and took revenge by killing his entire family along with him
It felt so weird playing a rockstar game with believable characters.
>tfw no sequel (or prequel?)
>no wild west games coming out at all
So, wait a minute. I didn't play that far, but there was a discussion I always thought was interesting.
Who was the Man in Black? I've heard theories that he was a government agent, but also that he's Death.
best song incoming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg-yC0xcI9s&list=PL880D572DF1EA418B&index=9
hopefully never, one of RDR's main themes was the world was catching up to John and there wasn't room for outlaws and the "Wild West" anymore. RDR already had trains, a city and fully automatic machine guns. Can't imagine them going much further in time.
only studio that's been able to keep up with rapidly increasing development costs and has the will to do it
they develop with the same design ideology as the golden age, on a modern scale
other studios fold or sacrifice other elements
Westerns are poison genre in video games. Nobody wants to take the risk (except Rockstar who has a built in fanbase and whoever makes the Call of Juarez games) to put resources into something that might not sell.
>Can't imagine them going much further in time
Who says they have to?
Redemption wasn't a direct sequel to Revolver, so whatever comes next doesn't have to take place after Redemption.
It also doesn't have to retread the theme of the Old West dying. There are many approaches it can take, and many sources of media to take inspiration from.
You're kidding yourself if you don't think we're going to get another sequel tbqhwyf
Rockstar simply has the sheer capital and time to make high quality games that haven't sacrificed. For all the shade we give MP3, GTA and RDR, they've never ever come close, even remotely within dozens of miles of stooping to something like Fallout 4's shallow and utterly pathetic level of "AAA" development.
I could never shoot the gun out of his hand in that part.
The only person you're really forced to kill in a duel
>tfw I'll never be able to stuff the barrel of my gun down a defenseless bureaucrat's throat
Pretty sure he's death. I think its the first time you meet him that he refers to a a spot as a 'nice spot' which then turns out to be where [/spoiler] you're buried. [/spoiler]
It is a shame. Or it was anyways. PS3 emulation is coming along.
I already have the game and undead nightmare for PS3 but mine died. It goes to show what a stupid investment consoles are. You're only limited to so many game and when the generation passes, all the games from generation are gone. If you want to play them again you need to get/hook up a system.
Except after he took revengeance for his Father's betrayal, he went on to live a civil life and became a writer.
GtaV was his worst work
Every game released by Rockstar is basically them sending a hate letter to America via interactive entertainment. Shit is getting old.
They need to fucking cut it out with that shit. Yes, we get it, America is flawed.
fucking hell, Dan House has got to be dere dere for this country in secret.
I was regretting my PS3 purchase until I played Red Dead Redemption. Went on to 100% it twice in a row over the course of a couple weeks.
If you can find a good deal on a used console, I'd really recommend it.
>It goes to show what a stupid investment consoles are. You're only limited to so many game and when the generation passes, all the games from generation are gone
It's the same for any media.
Do you know how many films are lost due to only ever being released on VHS? The same goes for beta max, laser disc, and so on and so forth.
It's just the way the world works.
And I know what you mean but all Europeans are like that. They're still not happy that America could exist and then become the leading superpower in no time flat.
>tfw riding into Mexico while this was playing
We're talking about gaming here. Not beta max. You game on PC, and the games are there for eternity. No need for backwards compatibility or different machines. The money is never wasted like it is with consoles which are basically gaming platforms with expiration dates. It's archaic.
RDR was the only game that ever lived up to my hype, and I'd think a lot of peoples hype. Everything that was advertised you could do and it worked well. Maybe the only thing that was less than stellar were the gun duels, but that's a realllll small black mark for a lot of feathers in the game's cap.
>RDR already did everything it could've possibly done. There's nothing left to do
There are so many classic western films to take inspiration from.
It's a whole genre, one game doesn't exhaust it.
You're talking to someone who's been building PCs since he was 12. PCs don't "break down". Especially not mine. At the worst, a part fails and you just go replace that part because they're readily available and also modular so you could upgrade while replacing. It's not so simple with consoles.
Not to mention that if you want to play an old game, your only option on console is to get a console of that generation and then play the game. On PC if you want to play an old game, not only do you not have to do a damn thing but install it, but you can run that game at higher settings than you did the first time you played it if you upgraded since then, so you get the old game with better performance and nicer graphics.
Until someone wises up and makes consoles with swappable GPU blocks as opposed to killing the entire console and everything on it each gen, they'll never be a good investment.
Eurocucks everyone. They're like atheists, only instead of having to constantly let everyone know they hate religion, they constantly let everyone know how anally ravaged they are about America.
>John fires three shots at him then his gun jams
>One for Abigail
>One for Uncle
>One for Himself
>Last one jams because Jack is spared
What is it about an era of extreme brutality being hoisted up by Americans as some kind of glorious age where morals were more concrete and 'men were men' and such nonsense? No European country glorifies their bloodthirsty past the same way Americans do. Some your states still think they are cowboys too.
As satire / commentary.
This. This is why there was only ever one western movie. Because what else could you possibly do with the setting?
>What is it about an era of extreme brutality being hoisted up by Americans as some kind of glorious age where morals were more concrete and 'men were men' and such nonsense?
What the fuck are you talking about?
There have been westerns made since the 1950s you know
That's a fair point. I suppose I never thought of it that way since I'm not too computer savvy, especially when it comes to building them. I hear it's fairly simple though so I may give it a shot one day.
>when they're done with me they'll find another monster
>they need to justify their wages
>you can't fight nature, John
Dutch's death is one of my favorite scenes in Vidya. Also, Bonnie's dust kick breaks my heart.
>somehow managed to finish this mission at dawn
>song plays with majestic sun rise
man i loved this game
Unfortunately, the second amendment is the one that authorizes and encourages american bloodlust. It states its okay to own a gun, so everyone has to glorify all aspects of gun ownership, especially the violence. The old west is just current gun owners fantasizing about shooting and killing people in a time when it was necessary to your survival, but is only seen as COOL SHIT MAN.
>tfw RDR was 6 years agon
If there's one thing Rockstar is great at, it's sound direction and using music to influence atmosphere.
For all that shit GTAV gets for it's radio selections, I think they paint a great picture of southern california life.
It's talk radio is pretty weak in comparison to the terror threat levels of awesome we got with IV.
Westerns don't even need to be set in the West
Because it was a very unique era and a large part of our history/culture dumbshit.
if I had the movie, I would make you a nice webm. Have a smaller one.
I think he was the devil. There are some similarities to a work that Mark Twain was working on around the turn of the century.
Here's a claymation rendition of the story:
Jesus christ, could you be any more of a try hard contrarian faggot.
It's the fucking wild west. It's the closest thing we have to a Greek tragedy. But no, can't even let Americans have that. God I fucking hate Europoors.
It's not fucking Satan. Jesus fuck Satan would literally not care about bank robbers shooting out a woman's eye like Marston did.
God I wish people would stop being this retarded. He's either God or Death. Pick one.
>RDR2 will introduce world first playable gay cowboy character
it will be brockback mountain : the game
I straight up skipped the rape scene when I showed this movie to my dad and sister. I'm normally a "let art stand on its own, if the audience is too immature then they don't deserve to witness it" type, but there was no way I was going to sit through that scene with family around. The first time I watched the movie I was high and that rape scene felt like it lasted for years.
>Europeans don't make fiction out of any of that though
Holy shit. I have seen it. I have seen the most retarded post ever made on 4chan. Europeans have been making fantasy crap about King arthur and his knights errant since time immemorial. Kill yourself you waste of matter.
Sukiyaki Western Django. Really unique movie made be quentin tarentino's favorite director (he also has a cameo).
Entire cast is Japanese, yet entire movie is in Engrish is thick accents. If the wild west and feudal Japan were combined as a hybrid world, that's what the movie's setting is. Hence the title Sukiyaki Western (play off of Spaghetti Western for western movies made in Italy)
>No European country glorifies their bloodthirsty past the same way Americans do. Some your states still think they are cowboys too.
Do you even know what a cowboy is ?
Fucking eurocuck faggot.
The entire Arthurian tale as depicted by Thomas Malory was literally to evoke a lost age where Chivalry, honor, loyalty, justice, etc were paramount to a knight, and more importantly, to a man's life and how going back on these concepts were disastrous. Malory lived during the War of Roses and was disgusted with how England was going so that's why he presented an imaginary lost age to shit on what was going on in his own day. So what are you talking about buddy?
>No European country glorifies their bloodthirsty past the same way Americans do
Kinda weird for someone who looks exactly like him to also have his name.
He's god. He's literally god.
>John: "Damn you!"
>Stranger: "Many people have."
Who do many people damn? God.
Also, his prime purpose in the game is to bestow the gift of judgement onto John. He allows him foresight into situations that are about to take place and allows him to take his spot, to influence mankind into either doing good, or not influence them at all and let them do evil.
He even is able to foresee John's death and burial place.
It doesn't get anymore obvious.
This sounds edgy as fuck, but I wish, if you would've killed his wife and (I forget who it was in relation to him), that Jack would've told him about it.
Please keep crying on an American site everyday though
Took one look at the pic you guys are arguing and knew that was the devil. That's old school shit, depicting the devil as a humble looking man in black with a curly moustache.
I agree with the sentiment of your post but as an aside I find it hilarious that people think Don Draper is someone worth emulating when the entire point of the show (at least at the beginning, I quit watching) was to highlight what a hollow shell of a man he'd become.
>No European country glorifies their bloodthirsty past the same way Americans do
>I hope my son grows up to be just like you.
>Says this regardless of whether you donate to, or rob the nun.
>Nun tells you god sent John to her.
>John eventually gives his life for his loved ones.
I offered my evidence. The character fits with Mark Twain's "Mysterious Stranger" character, Twain wrote that story around the same time as RDR is set, and the character being the devil makes sense. I don't see why it would be a completely unrelated character like "death".
>Who do many people damn? God.
I've never heard anyone damn God. Are you referring to when people say "God damn it/you/her/him"? That's a command, telling God to damn someone/something, not damning God himself.
>friend borrows my rdr
>only played the first mission
>doesn't give it back before moving
>stopped talking to him years ago
>mfw I got off my horse right after the cutscene ended so I could call my own faster horse
> The song started for like 3 seconds then stopped because I had gotten off the horse
>So I didn't get to hear it during my first playthrough and didn't know about it until later.
Actually the era of Red Dead Redemption (Just before World War 1) was a very prosperous and peaceful time despite what hollywood has shown you you european mudslime. There was significantly less crime and violence compared to now back then. Part of that did have to do with a high gun ownership ratio and the willingness to use them as a deterring force but you wouldn't know that because you live in a cuck country.
I am truly convinced that the US and USSR fucked Europe so hard in WWII that it warped their minds and turned most of them into giant no fun allowed spineless pussies that would piss their pants if they ever saw a real weapon. We fucked Japan up the same way, and they reacted similarly, but at least they kept most of their nationalism.
Even the most famous outlaws were a lot less grand than legends make them out to be.
Billy the Kid probably only ever killed about 3 people max. Most outlaws were about the same, and you rarely had towns were the outlaws ran everything and got into bar brawls every night and etc etc etc because nobody sane would want to live under such conditions. And because the penalties for getting caught for cattle rustling, horse and money theft, and murder were all death.
Can't be death, because there's clearly an element of morality in the Stranger's character, and death is fair and devoid of morals.
He's either God or the Devil, but I'm waaay more inclined to think he's the classic Wild West Devil, especially since he talks about damnation.
Okay, fair enough. But it's a common phrase and the implication is obvious.
Better yet, take a look at this clip and when listening to the phrases John and the nun say to each other, take it literally:
>John: "Ain't it the Lord's responsibility to look over his flock? Not mine?"
>Nun: "Yes, but the Lord has brought you to me to help me."
Best death coming through
Well in the case of Japan it might not have been for the best considering many people in Japan just straight deny that any of the atrocities Japan commited ever happened or they try to downplay them.
Which really isn't a good thing.
Maybe Rockstar wanted to write it that way for a reason.
It's basically slapping you in the face that it's God if you're paying attention. Wouldn't be the first time in writing Satan came pretending to be someone else.
That being said however, I still like to believe that TMiB is God.
Wouldn't it be neato if Rockstar got a crack at an open world, post-apocalyptic game?
But in all seriousness, pretty much their entire work has been great. They have the resources and customer goodwill to keep on doing what they do. Even when EA was looking to snatch them up from 2K, I think they publicly said everyone would leave and start somewhere else.
The Stranger told you where to find someone and told you a little about them. But the choice was yours whether you helped or hurt them. You could encourage the guy to sleep with that girl, or rob the nun.
I could see this argument used to ID the stranger as either God or the Devil really. Either being would offer you these choices to test your own moral compass. I don't think the stranger is "death", and the only evidence for this claim is that the character says "This is a nice spot" while on the spot of your eventual grave. In reality, either God or the devil could know this.
It's a shame that I honestly haven't found an episode I've liked more then the very first. The death one being a close second.
It just had this spectacular atmosphere that the series never really got right again.
>Obviously in development, we were all PC based and had it running for win32 clients for the entire development.
OK serious question to silence the rampaging Eurocuck: if you had the resources to make a brand new western / American frontier game, in any genre of your choosing, based on any movie / book or entirely original, what would it be?
I suppose it could be. I always just assumed it was a novel about either John's life, or a romanticized version of it.
I've also heard a theory about the Red Dead Redemption that you play is just the book that Jack wrote about his father, again, highly romanticized since John apparently wasn't around all that much. I'm not sure if I like that too much though, and it's just a theory anyway.
>have two saves where everything that is possible to complete up to their points in the game is completed
>one is John right before his last mission
>one is Jack afterwards
I actually like Jack but he just doesn't compare to John. Probably since he doesn't get the anywhere near the same about of time and development. I think I remember reading that after the game he goes on to fight in World War I. Wouldn't mind a Jack game where he's doing that, but don't call it Red Dead.
What really makes it ambiguous is no matter whether you do the good or bad thing, the Stranger says he hopes that his son will grow up to be just like you.
So perhaps theres really no definite answer and you are just supposed to decide for yourself who he is based on how you play.
I don't see a rampaging eurocuck, I see a eurocuck that got btfo half an hour ago and people dogpiling him even though he already got btfo so hard that he's pretending he never said anything in the first place.
>rockstar probably has a working PC version just sitting on a hard drive somewhere
I think my main problem with GTAO is that it was the main focus of the game, the single player campaign feels like an after thought. After you do the story missions there's not really anything to do in it, other than yoga I guess.
I think it would be cool to have a first person open world cowboy game where you basically do whatever you want, whether you start a ranch, raise a gang to raid towns, or join the law and put criminals down.
There would be multiple towns, you could either pick one town and make it your home or just wander around as you like.
You'd have to buy ammo and food and shit, but it wouldn't be like money is ultra scarce, just you gotta find a way to make ends meet.
>mfw i'm replaying RDR on ps3 right now and suffering through this console shittiness
i swear the game is at like 15fps the majority of the time
360 version is better though, still shit.
i've played RDR start to finish like two or three times and i've 100%'ed the game, would pay full price for it on pc
360 emulation will probably be publically playable within five years
The one biggest thing I wish RDR had was a NG+ option. Its like, Id like to be able to use all this cool shit for the entire game as John, but a lot of it you can't get until near the end.
You can't even get the Bureau outfit as John since you gotta reach 100% completion.
But by that point you've literally done everything so why even bother with it?
>banned people from GTAO for having non-cheat mods
>say that the cutscenes in Max Payne 3 are unskippable due to how the game is programmed despite the fact that the player can load the gameplay segments that come after them faster from the main menu
>other shit I'm surely forgetting
Again, they're no saints.
The 360 version can dip pretty low sometimes, but even then RDR is one of my favorite games of all time.
>you will never play RDR in 4k 60fps
Am I the only one that doesn't like the RDR OST that much?
I much rather prefer the OST of Red Dead Revolver which im pretty sure is just a bunch of themes stolen from Luis Bacalov and other Spaghetti Western composers.
If they ever make another Read Dead game I hope they make the soundtrack more old-school.
360 version framerate is less stable but it's generally better than the ps3's, ps3 is almost always low mid 20s.
360 version also has more tearing due to this
just give us a port or atleast a PS4BONE re-release
I'd probably buy a pissfor if they did, honestly.
And if they put in a cheat code or some shit so I could play as John after the end, or gave Jack a little touch of story after the end so I would care about him
I don't really see which side >>322717802 is arguing for. If that post is claiming the son comment is referring to Jesus, then it's a weird way to say it. Jesus lived thousands of years before the events of RDR, it's anachronistic. The stranger should have said "You're just like my son" or something. It also doesn't make sense for the stranger to be God, and still say the son comment if you robbed the nun. If the stranger is supposed to be the devil, he's just bullshitting, or telling a lie to get John to sympathise with the stranger more because John has a son as well.
>Nun tells you God sent John to her
She wouldn't say that if you robbed her though. If she knew that a third party told you where she was and that she had lots of cash, she'd say the devil sent you.
>John gives his life for his loved ones
Symbolically maybe. If the Army wanted to execute Abigail and Jack they could've done it, but they left once John was dead. I don't really get this point either, are you saying John was like Jesus? That doesn't really make sense with your point about the stranger making the "I hope my son is like you" comment.
You know, I sometimes wonder what the point of political commentary in stories is. I mean it never feels like more than a circle jerk about the themes in it.
Especially when its intentionally offensive. Its not like any minds are going to be changed by the commentary in GTA. Those who agree are just gonna nod their heads and those who disagree are either going to ignore it or get mad at it.
But nobody is going to change their minds because of the kind of satire GTA does.
And even if it is just for the people who agree with it, I find that kind of circle jerk type stuff to be obnoxious. Sort of a "I feel superior than others because I agree with this" sort of thing. Even when I agree with it, I just find it to be too holier than thou or something like that.
>want to play a game that follows a character that happens to premier in a Wild West style game
>but realizes that his story wouldn't be in the Wild West anymore so suggest they change the name to something else
>nobody is going to change their minds because of the kind of satire GTA does
Not true, I heard that soccer leads to riots on the radio in GTAV, and thought to myself "Maybe soccer isn't so bad"
I was a typical leftist metrosexual faggot who wanted Obama to win in 2008 and then I played RDR and turned into a full blown conservative man's man with a gf and actual friends.
I dunno, I always felt Mexico was fine. I enjoyed Mexico a lot even. It felt climatic towards the end.
I felt the pace began to falter when you do the last arc to get dutch.
Namely I felt the doctor arc was pretty pointless since its basically
>Doctor goes out to do research on natives
>Doctor pisses off natives
>Help doctor get out of town
And thats it. I guess its world building for the natives' grievances against the settlers, but still.
Sort of a "I feel superior than others because I agree with this" sort of thing.
That's exactly what it is, there's no point in even attempting commentary in any video game because it always end up as platitudes and cliches with no rebuttal. It's as if they've inserted a redditor into the game to whisper into you ear at all times.
Juvenile action can be fun, juvenile "commentary" is always fucking cringe worthy. Even most historians/political scientists can't think of anything interesting to say about culture, so makers of fucking video games should stay away from it.
I always saw it as regardless of what choice you were going to make, he knows that you're going to give your life to Jack and Abigail.
Also, if I'm remembering correctly, she says God sent you to her before you have the choice of giving her money or robbing her.
And lastly, yeah, they could've killed both Abigail and Jack, but I imagine Ross had a bit more honor than to gun down a woman like he did to John.
>they could've killed both Abigail and Jack, but I imagine Ross had a bit more honor than to gun down a woman like he did to John.
Or Ross didn't think a woman and a child were any threat to him.
I thought the post dutch stuff was perfectly fine. It was clearly supposed to be a somewhat extended epilogue where you finally meet and get to know the people you've been spending the whole game trying to save. I have no complaints with that. It was just the dutch arc that bugged me.
You know natives switched from bows to guns basically as soon as they were able to get them right?
Well regardless of how much he actually believed his ideals, Abigail and Jack especially did nothign to deserve death. Abigail was just the gang prostitute and Jack had nothing to do with their crimes, so killing them would just be pointless.
John just sent them away so they wouldn't be caught in the crossfire I think.
Don't get me wrong, Mexico was great, maybe even the best part of the game. I just feel like it was way too long and not very connected to the main themes, plot threads and characters running through the game.
I totally agree that the Doctor arc was pointless but because it was so relatively short I didn't feel it harmed the games pacing very much.
I didn't say I wanted a bunch of natives riding around using bows and arrows and other native weapons terrorizing the white folk like in the movies. Just that I'd like more native weapons to be available to John/Jack. One of the things in RDR was gathering resources and hunting, being able to make arrows out of all that shit you collect would have given you another reason to bother with it. I don't remember that shit being there for any reason other than "Oh, you completed a challenge. You're one step closer to unlocking a costume"