Why are turn-based RPG's such shit?

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>>322705595
Gameplay is more in the planning than the actual fights, also just going to throw out the standard SMT, Grandia, and Shadow hearts posters that will disagree with you

You still have to plan out which attacks to use, and when, in order to win fights-at least you should in good RPG's.

They're at their best when battles feel like chess matches, always trying to outwit or outplay the AI.

Honestly, is it really that different from deciding which moves to use, and when, in ARPG's? I don't see how people can love One and be absolutely opposed to the other.

>>322705595
>ZERO video game skill

Strategy and planning are also video game skills. Mashing 2 buttons randomly need no skill.

>>322705595
because you enjoy grinding to the point you can press X to win.

And Action RPGs are even worse with the grinding and pressing X to power your way through.

>>322705595
Honestly, most turn based RPGs are shit. But, the ones that actually require and reward tactics beyond "Spam attack", are really damn fun. I just wish more companies had/would make turn based combat more of a puzzle/strategy thing, than a formality.

FF is a fucking joke when it comes to battle. The endgame arena fights in X are the only battles in this babby series that are in any way challenging

I bet OP couldn't even beat matador at level 20 on normal mode.

>Now action RPG's on the other hand
Which one?

>>322708197
>Strategy and planning are also video game skills
You'd have a good point if OP didn't post FF7, which didn't require much strategy at all.

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>lumping in games like SMT with shit like Final Fantasy

>>322708604
But muh materia

>>322708604

Well he's talking about "turn based" games not only FFVII. Lost Odissey and Bravely Default are good examples of turn based JRPG that need strategy and planning or you will be fucked up.

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>>322705595
>Now action RPG's on the other hand...

Stopped reading right there.

>>322705595
>Turn based RPG = brain dead gameplay with ZERO video game skill if you're over leveled.

Fix'd.

Go ahead and do a low level ff7 run and tell me how you survived attacks that kill you in one shot.

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>Turn based RPG = brain dead gameplay with ZERO video game skill

Fight me nerd, bet you won't last 6 turns.

>>322705595
>turn based combat is shit
>always a Final Fantasy image

>>322709054
I think OP got a face full of Tail Laser

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>>322705595
>playing any game for the story
Literal retard tier

>>322709054

FF9 min level run > FF7 min level run

>>322709208
>posting nocturne as an example of skill-based combat
yeah, getting wiped without being able to take a turn because a team of 6 demons decided to ambush and assfuck you sure is some great gameplay

>>322709907
>Not investing any points into agility
>Not carefully planning out your stats

You deserved it.

>>322709907

Nigga you don't fight Demifiend in nocturne you retard.

Also get better agility and anti ambush skills if you keep getting bodied by ambushes.

>>322710035
I thought you were referring to Nocturne rather than DDS, apologies

>>322709907
Your fault for not resisting/nulling/draining stuff. I don't like Press Turn though.

>>322705595
play a Dept. Heaven game and then tell me how turn based RPGs = brain dead gameplay

I admit, I liked turn based RPGs because I suck at video games and basically just want to watch what is usually basically a long anime (game).

>>322709907
If you had mentioned Mot you might have had the semblance of an argument.

>>322710160

Press turn is the best thing to happen to turn based combat. It actually makes regular enemies potentially threatening and if you are prepped for the random battles in an area makes them not drag on and just feel like time wasters.

>>322705595
not all turn based rpgs are ATB

>>322708425
You should play the FFIV DS remake, that is the only FF with any degree of difficulty on the actual mainline quest.

Also Hunts in FFXII carried that game for me and thankfully you don't have to complete the entire game to get them - you're able to do boss fights way above your level that are very tough if done like that.

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>>322710192
This nigga knows what's up.

>>322705595
NOW DIS IG SHIDPOSDING!! :DDDDDDD

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>>322710192
I'm already playing Shadow hearts and metal max, is it worth it to shit another game onto my plate

>>322705595
>Now action RPG's on the other hand...
...devolve into button mashing even more frequently.

Yeah, you can beat a lot of turn-based RPGs by just spamming auto-attacks. You can do the same thing with a lot of action RPGs. It's not a problem with either genre but a problem with poor game balance in general.

If you're incapable of grasping this, then you're in luck, because these games are perfect for you.

turn based combat is shit. requires zero skill and hurr hurr hurr look, I "LEVEL GRINDED" and nao I'm awesome. The Tales series is what RPG's should strive to be like, and not garbage like the Final Fantasy series

>>322710291
Well, you just need to make enemies do more damage to achieve the same result. My problem with Press Turn is that it removes a bit of strategy compared to normal turn based, since hitting the weakness is always obbjectively the best thing you can do, and that bosses with weaknesses become a joke. Also smaller parties.

>>322708062
Good action games require some level of skill of spacing and timing. Add in being able to use the level design to you (dis)advantage and you already have a game that's infinitely deeper than FFVII.

>>322705595
because you posted the most baby tier MY FIRST RPG to show about turn based.

and technically, its not even that. FF1 or FF 10 are TRUE turn based JRPG.

action RPG need curazy action and hard difficulty to make it REALLY skill based. its the only way i can acknowledge.

still love Lufia 2, why can't FF have this good of an ending dungeon music?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fzm2O4Zt-k&list=PL6BB4862ADAA12E48&index=44

Is OP 12 years old?

>>322708578
Probably Souls

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>>322708857
>the end of the post is where you stopped reading

>>322709054
Let's see you play Cod blindfolded. Toppest skill level buddy.

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I object

https://archive.is/MMpqV

I just want to take it easy. Leave my JRPGs alone please, you have enough real time games to play.

>>322711087
>Good action games

And none of them are ARpgs

>>322711020

It's not just about enemies hitting hard, it's a combination of both you and the enemies hitting hard enough/having little health to the point that regular battles pose a threat and are very fast and momentum based. And then using mostly your MP as a resource through a dungeon, say you are in an area with a ton of enemies weak to fire, you can use fire to make the battles easier and in your favor, but at the cost of using your MP as a resource which at times can easily become a problem with high encounter rate/low mp restore items.

And it's not just about abusing the system in your favor it's also about covering your own weaknesses so the enemy can't abuse the system against you. Crits being affected by this are mostly just a way of letting some random factor influence a battle a little more to keep you on your toes even if you feel safe. All it takes is an enemy ambush and a crit and things can really sway against you.

Also when is hitting an enemies weakness in any RPG ever not the right thing to do?

>>322711613
Souls

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>>322705595
You need to stop.

>>322711981
You still have yet to name a good game.

>>322712446
Hello Sephirothsword

>>322705595
Try to fight blindly in a real SMT game, anon.

And no, I'm not talking about Matador.

One of the best final boss fights I had was in a SMT spin-off game, DDS2 was sick.

Action RPG is what is killing the gameplay, turning everything into a hack 'n slash for casual scums.

>>322711802
>It's not just about enemies hitting hard, it's a combination of both you and the enemies hitting hard enough/having little health to the point that regular battles pose a threat and are very fast and momentum based.
And it would be different if enemies just hit harder because? When you get extra turns you're basically just doing extra damage.
>And then using mostly your MP as a resource through a dungeon, say you are in an area with a ton of enemies weak to fire, you can use fire to make the battles easier and in your favor, but at the cost of using your MP as a resource which at times can easily become a problem with high encounter rate/low mp restore items.
>And it's not just about abusing the system in your favor it's also about covering your own weaknesses so the enemy can't abuse the system against you. Crits being affected by this are mostly just a way of letting some random factor influence a battle a little more to keep you on your toes even if you feel safe. All it takes is an enemy ambush and a crit and things can really sway against you.
These apply to pretty much every turn based RPG.
>Also when is hitting an enemies weakness in any RPG ever not the right thing to do?
When you need to heal or buff to survive the next attack or want to try giving the enemy an ailment. Press Turn just give you an extra turn for that if you can hit a weakness.

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>>322711981
souls games have zero punishments for death, it isn't even an RPG more or less a glorfied version of Fable.

>>322712976
>you just have to shovel past 99.99% of the genre to a game with a splinter of strategy
>Action RPGs are totally killing the genre

Top retard

>>322713249
>I've never played Demon's Souls or DaS2: the post

>>322712976
Brahmin was fucking shit
It was easy as hell unless he decides to OTK with Eternal Zero and two Mind Charged Brahma Sutras

>>322705595
Action RPGs are just as braindead easy.
Video games are easy, anon

>>322713671

You act like Action RPG's won't have an equal amount of horse shit by the time turn based is completely killed off by the bejeweled generation.

>>322713114

Making the enemies hit harder doesn't add anything to actual gameplay. All it does is you damage them, they damage you, you kill them battle ends you heal up between trash dungeon fights.

Press turn atleast rewards good play, you can kill all of them easily before they even get a turn so you don't have to heal up, or if you come across a new enemy it really forces you to experiment and find an optimal way of beating them before they murder you.

It makes it more interesting and rewards good decision making.

>>322705595
if some fag can beat the supposed hardest boss in kingdom hearts within 5 minutes at level 1 on the hardest difficulty then it's pretty brain dead too

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>Turn based games are brainless and require no skill

People that are into NTR and cuck can enjoy fire emblem and persona, since the latter did a crossover with the former.

No really, google it yourself. its like these NTR cuck fetish guys have been blending itself into nintendos hellhole of wannabe turn based for years on /V/

>>322713919
>enemy hits your weakness, gets an extra turn, kills you
>enemy hits your weakness, kills you
Same thing.

>>322714157
Chess is awful and you know it.

>>322714223
What, does it need a fucking loadout and killstreaks before you can take it seriously?

>>322714223

Chess is like any multiplayer game, the more you know about it and the better you get,The worse the community is and the gameplay.

>>322705595
I like building up a character and turned based gameplay. I also like real time combat, both can be done well so blow me.

>>322714215

It's more like.

>Enemy hits your weakness, gets an extra turn
>Enemy kills you
>If he's a boss he now hits someone else or does anything else, or if it's dungeon trash his buddy now does whatever else.

>>322713915
Bejeweled has more depth than most of your shifty RPGs you casual piece of shit. You're in the same group as QTEfaggots.

>>322714209
Could be worse, could be that wannabe turn based game valkyrie chronicles. its like lois cuck game, people who "enjoy playing it" dont because its so cringeworthy. they just want to see another man trying to bang the mc's girl. I guess these sick fucks are not contained in /d/ anymore huh.

>>322714761

Bejeweled spawned the heavy micro transaction market for games.

>>322711020
>since hitting the weakness is always obbjectively the best thing you can do
Like every RPG

>and that bosses with weaknesses become a joke
Early game bosses to ease you into the mechanic

>Also smaller parties.
Has nothing to do with the battle system. I mean nocturne was a 4 party member system, with enemies ranging from 1 to like 8,

>>322714853
There were games before bejeweled but that game popularized it.

>>322705595
>complains about turn based
>post time based

>>322709907
>i'm terrible at these guys but it's not my fault!

>>322705595
Because they are made to be beaten. The only hope for a turn-based RPG to be good gameplay-wise is to actually require challenging decisionmaking and planning, but few turn-based wants to do that. Instead, they would rather hold your hand so you can read their bad story and allow you to grind past everything. Even in games where there is allegedly challenge, it usually devolves into knowing optimal strategies instead.

>>322714964
>Like every RPG
Already explained that
>Early game bosses to ease you into the mechanic
If the boss don't have a weakness you're not using half of the system. IV got criticized for having many bosses with weaknesses but that's the proper way to do Press Turn, if it's bad then the system itself has problems.
>Has nothing to do with the battle system. I mean nocturne was a 4 party member system, with enemies ranging from 1 to like 8
Previous SMT games had 6 slots for the active party, with Press Turn that means potentially 12 moves before the enemy can do anything.

>>322714223
Make sure you constantly walk around the board and shout out your plans before doing it. Yeah, making chess action-y!

>>322715615
>it usually devolves into knowing optimal strategies instead.
What is every single player game ever

>>322708847
Fucking Lost Odyssey though.
Can't even power level through shit, the first boss kicked my ass and forced me to git almost gud

>>322715691

Have you forgotten about passing your turn counting as a press turn?

I mean that alone makes the system usable at all times in a big element of strategy comes into play by having to determine the optimal order of agility in the party so you can pass turns to certain members.

Also like I said the party size is irrelevant, they just have to balance around if. And if that meant 12 possible turns before hand then they would either have to make a shit load of enemies, make skills that can trigger a press turn expensive, or lower your parties damage and force you to exploit the system to make it anywhere in the game. All viable options of balancing around it.

>>322716254
Are you talking about that cuck game anon? Why would you have such a fetish???

>turn based pokemon
>action RPG dynasty warriors

Yea there's really room for either to be taking shots at the other

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>tfw niggas don't know the struggle that is emerald and ruby weapon

>>322717462
>struggle

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>>322717462
>struggle

>>322717458
Why the fuck does every dynaste warrior game have to be around the sengoku period. there are earlier periods of constant fighting. I mean you know the tokugawara clan won in the end and nobunaga lost. kenshin lost, takade lost, masamune lost.

>>322705595
because you normies bastards only play FF
go play other JRPG with far better gameplay than this shit

FF never had a battle system above medicore those game sells on graphics alone

>Now action RPG's on the other hand...
>Roll!
>Attack!
>Roll!
>Attack!
>Roll!
>Attack!
>Victory fanfare plays

I can strawman entire genres too, fool.
That said, screw giving attention to this bait thread, ESPECIALLY me.

>>322717956
Lightning Returns and Crystal Chronicles would like a word with you, faggot.

>>322717956
>JRPG with far better gameplay
I have never encountered such a thing.

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>>322714223
You're a fucking faggot, dude.

>>322718181
You'll eventually learn to recognize Souls/Bloodborne fags as soon as you see them and hide their posts accordingly.

>>322718131
>Lightning Returns
from the description it sound promising but I didnt play it
actually FFXIII have the best FF battle system but everything else is shit

>>322718181
no FF managed to top grandia 1 battle system let alone 3
any SMT, both mana khemia 1 and 2 and atelier escha & logy (the only atelier that I played)
and many more other turn based JRPG

>>322719015
XIII and XIII-2 were shit as far as gameplay goes. Lightning Returns' schemata system is what the Paradigm system should have been to begin with.
I highly recommend Lightning Returns to anyone and everyone who is "on the fence" about whether or not they should play the XIII trilogy. If the story matters to you, just youtube XIII and XIII-2, but LR is a must play for the gameplay.

>>322714157
Turn based strategy games are fine.

RPGs suck

>>322719243
never cared about the story in FF or the characters save for some
I really want want to try Lightning Return but I fucking hate Lightning

>>322714157
Chess is not a turn based RPG you fuck

Chess is a grid based board game operating on turns

I GET BORED OF TURN BASED GAMES WITHIN SECONDS.

SECONDS!

These games fucking suck and anyone that likes them is fucking trash

>>322705595
It's quite simple. Turn based games have to treat several very important things as an abstract, and anything related to those abstracts are also abstracted. The passage of time, the location of all actors and objects in motion, and the effects of the environment.

Many things that would be going on in a much more fluid battle have to be taken out of the equation. Turn based game combat is heavily simplified because to create a system of rules that could incorporate even a fraction of what you could do in a real time game would require a whole textbook of rules, a lot of special cases and even some wiggle room to skirt around the rules depending on many conditions.

Even the most typical action game will have more going on than the typical RPG since the action game is dealing with navigating the environment, positions of everyone and managing time to do things that aren't instantaneous in real time.
The typical RPG is like FF7 in OP's image. Position is reduced to a formation/rows if that. Time is reduced to a speed variable to determine order. All attacks, item usage, magic spells and other skills are one instant action that can't be interrupted then your turn is done.

Games like Dragon's Dogma in the real time side and games like Divinity Original Sin in the turn based (combat) side are the exceptions to the norm. The ones with more focus on details and nuance.

The vast majority on both sides however can be stupidly generalized to "press X to win" in their simplicity.

>>322721846

you're a fucking idiot i fyou like turned base games

fuck off this is MY /v/

>>322717712
That's Samurai Warriors
Dynasty Warriors was ROTK era, in China
Roughly about a thousand years before the warring states Japan..

There's also Drakengard, Ninty-Nine Nights and others

Was just using dynasty warriors for example

>>322720932
I'm sorry your lack of attention span is effecting the quality of your life so much

Did someone have to jingle keys to keep you interested in your keyboard long enough to post such a long comment?

>>322705595
They're shit because.

MUH SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED

>>322722989
REKT
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>>322722285
Getting technical just to ruin your day
>Play any action game
>attack boss
>damage is calculated behind scenes as number value
>every time boss attacks you defend via fleeing taking cover or countering
>boss usually has multiple phases/forms

You cannot escape taking turns even in action games

>action rpg take skills

my sides

>>322723884
This.

Lets be honest, most people are too stupid for turn based rpg games that are not pokemon.

>>322723884
>>322724036

You're actually making me mad

>seriuosly implying that turn based games require any thought at all

I get bored in seconds so I turn it off and sell it. Turned based games are terrible. funny how a MOBA or a FPS/Action game can hold my attention but a turned based game cant. That means they're shit.

>>322722664
Draken gard is not like that, its an entire different fantasy and gameplay genre.

>RTwP
>can't organize anything worth shit
>almost every battle is a clusterfuck
>an excuse to throw more trash mobs at you than usual
>oh boy, I can't wait to cast ten buffs again
I couldn't stand the combat enough to finish BG2. I just get sick of it halfway through.

DSP beat Dark Souls.

He couldn't even get off the ground with FFVII and raged so hard he made a video bitching about it.

Just gonna leave that here.

>>322724162
It means you're autistic. Just stay to your assfaggots.

>>322724162
>not at least liking JA2
Fucking pleb.

>>322724162
I think that means you have ADD, anon. How about 4X, grand strategy, or tactics games? You sound like the kind of fag that would ragequit that shit for it not being fast enough.

>>322724443

I googled it. Looks like shit.

>>322724418

I will. Thanks. At least that shit is stimulating. Sunk 10000 hours into it. You fucks just can't fucking get into good games.

>>322724418
Wouldn't autists like TB games?

>>322724530
2/10

If not trolling, off yourself.

>>322724315
And? metal gear solid fans are mad that he showed what a horrible fucking gameplay the game had, layouts, stock characters, contradicing plots (no you cant make nuclear weapons undetectable by firing them from a fucking railgun, that made no fucking sense) anymore than the whole ghost boss fight or the fact that there are assault weapons you can use in a stealth game.

Or leeches going through heavy clothing, or controllers as bad as the aiming fps mechanics in a third person shooter game.

Or bosses who magicly could run fast and you have to beat them acording to these ways, even if you are infront of them.


Or worse, a girl beating a man, let alone an old woman.I think that was the most hilarious part.

Kojima learned something though, that in the 5 game the woman was already half naked and didnt speak and got beaten up like the cunt she is.


Lets not just get into information that "you are just suposed to know with no logical sense to them"

>>322724315
FF7 is objectively easier than DS. Not saying DS is hard though. Like half the builds/playstyles turn it into a cake walk after all.

>>322714223

Kill yourself you millennial, ADHD ridden piece of shit.

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>>322705595
>video game skill
kek

try some western RPGs for an exchange and skip all the weeb shit that's aimed for 6 year olds/manchildren

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>>322724690
I didn't say a thing about MGS, Mr. Pancakes. We're talking about TBC vs ARPG and the central point remains, an absolute idiot defeated a 'difficult and skillful' ARPG, but couldn't even collect the gumption to attempt one of the most accessible FF RPGs.

Please re-enroll in night school and ask your instructor to give you extra special care when explaining reading comprehension.

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>>322724690
Its not as insane as revengeance. People magicly have nanotechnology that cost billions, senator armstrong is not the fucking president either. he magicly has money to make himself that technology, but also other people cant for some reason.

Again, he also killed a senator.

Kojima cock suckers all around have no arguments but sure can whine.

Fuck even this boss here would make more sense than armstrongs magical nano technology.

What's wrong with having gameplay that's slow-paced? Is it bad to be able to sit back and relax when playing a game?

>>322725009
What is dark souls 2, second dlc last boss on 7++

You can read up a guide on turn based, in this case, you have to practice and practice no matter if you are highest level or not because 2 hits and you are dead.

>>322724162

The only one making you mad is yourself, faggot. Getting triggered and crying on the internet because all you can play is cawa doody and league of flashes and dashes.

People like you are the reason ff7 is getting dumbed down. Cause you're simply too retarded and posess a low attention span. Not like ff7 was an amazing game.

>>322724690
You're complaining about realism in MGS of all series? And almost every stealth game has somewhat effective ways to to go guns blazing on easier difficulties. The controls are clunky, but nothing too hard to get used to.

>>322725223

Fuck off. im sure your game taste is superb

>>322725573
A girl beating a man. let alone the main character.

You have to say you are sorry for tolerating that stuff. this isn't tumblr nor some pro feminists bullshit or SJW site anon.

>>322724690

DSP sucks and Metal Gear is pretty fucking sweet

He looked for hyper-realism in a game series never known for having it like a fucking idiot. You're a fucking moron too, anon.

>>322725769
It's a fictional story.

>>322725801
You have no arguments or facts to counter the facts presented. so it seems metal gear solid are horrible. but if you got any argument against the points made feel free to do so. So far you havent.

>>322726110

Why would I argue with a ignorant moron on the internet? Who the fuck actually does that? Your points don't have any merit fuckwad.

I already pointed out that looking for hyper realism in a game like that is stupid. Start there and then think about your dumbass post.

>>322726110
You ignored everything and just whined about The Boss beating Snake.

>>322705595
even though this is b8 you're 100% right

JRPGs are just VNs with stats and attack animations

>>322712162
God Mother 3 was so good. I gotta play it again soon. Not excited to replay the final boss again though

>>322724246
Maybe Drakengard 2 but 1 and 3 gameplay can be summarised with tap square till an opportunity for a triangle finisher or mix it up with circle magic

Same as the musou series in that respect

Where Drakengard differs is the aerial missions, as well as story progression missions

Drakengard 2 on the other hand tried to add a level if strategy to the mix, with different characters having different proficiency against certain types of foes. (Poor Eris and getting shafted with JUST undead though...)

>>322724921
The learning curve is steeper for DS. But it about the same once your waist deep

Both take quite a bit of devotion to fully grasp

>>322726638
Again its thus different. thats why dynasty warriors and samurai warriors are like the madoka of the /V/ one of the worst mash mash button repetitive boring gameplaystyle ever done.

>>322705595
I like them so when I pass out I can recall where I left in the fight and continue the game.

Can't wait for DQ7

I am so hyped

>>322727041
Now now its not as bad as madoka, thats was just the blunder of all anime. with bad animation, characters with no personality and no plot. it was just that they added more blood than usual to a magical girl anime.

toei animation made a good magical girl series with actual fighting cheography and action in it.

>>322727041
Didn't know Dynasty Warriors with dragons was so different than Dynasty Warriors

This bait is just sad.

>>322705595
It's funny because most of your complaints are actually towards ATB instead of turn based.
Learn the difference and next time remember why FF is a shit franchise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dyj5rhWCHfU

Action RPG's don't have squats like these :D

>>322728957
ATB can still be done well, as well

After FF7 but before FF8 came Parasite Eve
It was ATB based, with free range movement within the battle area, sure you stop moving when executing actual commands but I think most of the hate comes from waiting through enemy turns and not being able to do anything about it

FF12 had a mobile ATB system as well and thus time it could be used to your advantage.

Star Ocean is another good example of this

>how to spot a FFag that hasn't played a proper turn based game 101
FF is about it's nice cinematics and art, everything else is shit

Pick up a proper turn based game like EO, SMT, or even fucking BD. FF mainline games are nothing but steaming shit if you want a fun gameplay experience. The only time ATB was done almost correctly in a FF game was 12 where you weren't waiting 90% of the time

>>322711479
Sony really should have kept this going as a series.

>>322705595
Is this the new sonyfanboy meme? Trying to bash turn based combat to bend over backwards to suck Square's released in several pieces cock?

All right then, try Etrian Odyssey II completly blind.

>>322732949
>new

>>322732094
So much yes

>>322705595
Beito thread desu. OP pic related is not even Turn Based, its Active Timed.

Now, traditional RPGs forced to turn into Action RPGs are shit.

>>322733202
Well they need something new. LE GOLD FAEC MAN is starting to fail considering blood borne is STILL the only exclusive thats been released thats worth owning on the ps4.

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>implying Mario and Luigi games are shit
Nigga

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>Playing chess
>2016

At least play a board game where humans still reign superior.

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>>322705595
Here's your (You).

>>322708604
At what point?

If you wanted to absolutely everything yeah there was strategy and planning involved.

If you just wanted to play the game and try to finish it, there were still hurdles to get over.

A lot of the 'gameplay' was in the materia -> battle system which ended up with the player figuring out "hey, this double cut thing seems to work a fuck of a lot better than that deathblow thing"

Final fantasy was a game that was still being very heavily refined at that point, and it didn't get super, super intricate until about 10 (unless you're looking at SRPG's like tactics).

>>322709845
FF9 min level run was actually almost required to end up 'good' in the lategame, as stat-growth was determined by the items you had equipped.

Early game items could ruin your stats if you overleveled. End game items would push you into the realms of godhood if you got them while still being low level.

>>322719243
>XIII and XIII-2 were shit as far as gameplay goes.
No, not really. I dislike 13 immensely, but the gameplay is one place where I actually consider it decent (albiet a downgrade from 12).

It was above average in many regards, but not particularly exceptional. It did try to keep you on your feet and rapidly switching through things to achieve success (unless you were way ahead of the powercurve for your area).

The rest of the game(s) however was pretty damn bad. Especially in the case of 13. It was pretty and had very high production values, but it lacked substance.

>>322724162
I'm not sure if you're serious here, or if you're being facetious.

Logic would dictate that you're probably being facetious, but this is 4chan and you could be entirely serious, which would be depressing.

>>322705595
That looks like bait to me. :^)

I really like turn based games. Played through DIV:OS last year and that offers great level of strategy to each fight. Can add great difficulty in some places too allowing control you couldn't otherwise get. Also don't mind Real time with pause. They can also offer a lot of depth and complexity.

I've got nothing against full real time action either, they all offer very different types of gameplay. It depends on the game, on the type of game you want to make.

FF7 was originally turn based or active time battle which is all part of its charm. Spent many hours just in the menus learning how to setup my party and materia to be effective. It has many different parts to its charm that game.

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>>322705595
>video games
>skill

>>322708847
>Lost Odyssey

Kek in all my years I've never encountered a game that made so many people quit at the first or second boss because they couldn't git gud.

It's always FFVII used for these threads.

Yes, FFVII had a shitty combat system. But FFVII isn't the end all be all of turn based RPGs.

The Trails series and Grandia both had much better combat, especially Trails of Cold Steel. So much fun.

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>>322717561
>looking up a step by step guide online
>then claims boss is ez

You can deny it but I want you to know, deep down I know the truth, and I know you feel ashamed.

>>322739398
>>Yes, FFVII had a shitty combat system
FFVII had a great combat system, it was the job system with even more customization.

It's just the game was too ez, even FFIV, which had literally 0 customization was more challenging.

>>322705595
>Now action RPG's on the other hand...
are boring as shit repetitive nonsense.

>>322740191
I was under the impression that VII is classless

>>322740512
Have you played it? You can literally make any character into any class you want through materia.

>>322740620
That's what classless means, any character can do anything in any combinations

>>322740708
Which adds more customization and possible combinations than say the job system in FF5, or X-2.

The only problem was the game is too easy.

>>322738725
>Adventure of Link
>Battle toads
>Ninja Gaiden

>>322705595
>turn based

Yeah I see you've played the game

>>322705595
The only turn based anything you should be playing are TBT.

>>322711479
Never have I been more furious having a game character die than in this game. Not because muh Lavitz what a bro, but because spending hours mastering his meticulous combos and understanding the rhythm of the character GETS PISSED AWAY when that fucking crack addict Albert replaces him.

>>322724690
You must be made of one of the most dense materials know to man.
It's a FUCKING VIDEOGAME, FICTION. It doesn't have to conform to the parameters of reality, you absolut mongoloid.
Thanks for ruining the industry, why don't you go make an mlg montage on youtube, instead of spreading your cancer here?

>>322705595
Bravely Default was fun, until the story turned to shit and you had fight the same bosses all over again.

>>322741741
It tries to be realistic and science yet it fails it. Anon if you try something, succeed. if not then you have no excuse. You are a bigot anon.

Thats why kojima got stressed out so much for a reason, because he finaly understood from the massive backlash of metal gear solid 5 and revengeance and mgs 3 that the science is bullshit.

>>322741989
No working emulator for it so sadly.

>>322724162
>assfaggots kid can't appreciate anything that isn't gotta go fast
shocking

>>322710008
Whoops, should've read a GUIDE like you, since this shit isn't explained

>>322740047

>don't look up guide online
>find boss ez

What now faggot?

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>>322743195

>I CAN'T USE MY BRAIN IT NEEDS TO BE EXPLAINED TO ME WAHHHHH

This is you - you shouldn't need a guide if you're not retarded.

>>322738893
The funniest thing is how overpowered you end up getting by the end of the game.

>>322741306
"But... I just learned Blossom Storm..."

>>322743195
> anyone who can figure out what a stat does in a game used a guide

MOBAfags ladies and gentlemen

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>>322709907
>lol turn based games don't need skill or strategy
>this one does
>ARTIFICIAL DIFFICULTY BULLSHIT GAME DESIGN
every time

>>322740191
>It's just the game was too ez,
That's not the only problem with VII. I don't think it's possible to make VII as it stands a difficult game without reducing the game to one or two winning strategies because at no point did Square ever attempt to balance the game.