>People who believe in god or are Christians are EVIL HYPOCRITES!

>>322673664

Huh? There is like thousands upon thousands of lines of dialog in that game, can you be more specific?

>>322673849
It's not about what they say. There's a part where a Christian is gonna execute a gay guy in the middle of town square.

I mean one of the games only evil factions with no redeeming qualities is known as the GODS MILITIA

>>322674708

Ok, but the leader was clearly just an opportunist using religion to gain power. Not really that strange of a concept.

Besides, they do have redeeming qualities as you can unite the God's Militia with Hollywood under Mistress Veronica's control.

Or you can wipe them all out, cause they are evil.

Or you can side with one of the three factions at the place.

Your point is fucking stupid.

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>>322674708
Are you implying that Christians would not execute gays in the town square if there weren't laws dissuading them from doing such things?

>>322674708
So preventing someone from executing an innocent person is the same thing as attacking Christianity? Jesus Christ, America.

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>>322674910
>Defending "it's okay to say Christians are bad because it's 2015 people!"

Reddits that way.

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>>322674910

>>322675042
Why have the situation in the game in the first place? Why no non-lethal way to solve the situation?

Probably the first chapter of Witcher with that dumbfuck priest

>>322675220

I know the encounter you speak of specifically, you can use a non-lethal Hard Ass intimidation check to force them to back down and retreat.

The difference between a Christian and someone who doesn't give a shit as a religion is this.

If you say "X did something terrible and he was an atheist" in a videogame, nobody will give a shit - including atheists- and everybody will wonder why you even metioned.

If you say "X did something terrible and he was a christian" then christians will get all riled up and take personal offense. Same goes for any religion.

Religions are for faggots

>Post apocolypse
>Have the luxury to be openly gay and suck mens dicks instead of trying to survive as it is
>Being selfish enough to not propagate the human race
>Was probably obnoxious enough with his fairy antics that he got "caught" by religious extremists.

I would do the same thing with every faggot I found.

>>322675083

That actually is not what I said. The good ending is to unite the Christians with Hollywood under a good leader.

>>322675339
>you can use a non-lethal Hard Ass intimidation check to force them to back down and retreat.

Tried that, they just start the fight

>>322673664
>What's the most fedora tipping game you've played?
Pillars of Eternity

>>322675496

Hmm, maybe it was a Smart Ass check? Are you playing the Director's Cut or normal version?

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>>322673664
>What's the most fedora tipping game you've played?

>>322675641
DC

I only got a kiss ass (green) or a hard ass (red) check.

>>322675308
That was more a condemnation of mob mentality and cruel but charismatic people. That whole sequence has very little to do with religion. Religion is just their excuse.

>>322675834
>Religion is just their excuse.

So how come they never portray Islam as evil in games like this? Or Judaism?

>Educate men without faith and you but make them clever devils.

>>322675928
Oh, NOW you want more sandniggers in The Witcher?

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>>322675083
>it's not okay to say christians are bad

>>322675928
Anon are you retarded? Christianity doesn't even exist in the Witcher world

>>322673664
>post apocalyptic fanatic faction
>one example

Who gives a shit.
Also throughout history (and even today) religious people have done all kinds of terrible shit in the name of their gods. Why would that suddenly stop in a post apocalyptic world? Who is there but you (the rangers) to stop a religious extremist faction acting out their views?

>>322674993
Considering that the whole point of the New Testament is to get over the old ways and just be nice to each other, probably not. Have you ever actually read the bible?

>>322675928
Christianity is considered an acceptable target because it's a foundation of the culture from which the game attacking it comes from. Thus it is safe to attack, it is invincible. Similar to how people argue that white people can't be discriminated against, because they are the foundation of Europe and North American civilization. It's a bullshit excuse but it's the dominant mentality.

>>322675928
because the majority of murica is christian so it is easier to make meaningful moral conflict this way.
make them muslim? people will just shoot them dead, no question asked
make them buddhist, hinduist, taoist, jew? lol, what the fuck do they mean :D:D:D

to be fair Wasteland is a silly as fuck franchise and it's supposed to be goofy and dumb

try Honest Hearts DLC for New Vegas for some cool Mormons

>>322676103
Good joke.

>>322675928
The church of the Eternal Fire isn't Christianity. It's the Eternal Fire. ETERNAL FIRE FILL MY HEART.

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>>322676103
>Considering that the whole point of the New Testament is to get over the old ways and just be nice to each other, probably not. Have you ever actually read the bible?

Because it's not like christians have started wars or burned people at the stake in the name of god before or something.
That was obviously written to be ok in the Bible, right?

>>322676219
How is that bullshit? It's always different when you laugh at yourself than when someone else laughs at you.

>>322676559
The Crusades were a geopolitical conflict like any other war, using them as an example of the evil of religion is stupid.

In addition, the Muslims were far more aggressive in those times and conquered significant parts of Europe. The Christians barely entered the Middle East.

>>322676695
these game's devs arent even religious.

>>322676729
>The Christians barely entered the Middle East
they should've git gud

>>322676559
No, in the bible that is actually not ok. Considering that at the time no one could fucking read the church could dictate to the people what they wanted them to do. Why do you think the church was so unhappy with the attempts to translate the bible and make it available in local languages? Because it would undermine their hold on the people.

You have to realize that starting in the middle ages the church began to be taken over by kings and merchant princes. Their monopoly over the church corrupted the messages of the New Testament and led to conflict. In fact, the 30 years war was all about how the Protestants were tired of listening to a corrupt church.

Try reading some history and the bible sometime.

>>322676729
You're deflecting, son.

>>322675424

Get your dick sucked?

>>322674708
MORIR ES VIVIR

>>322676559
Oh, you're also forgetting that the Crusades were actually a reaction to the aggressive Jihads of the Arabs. The Arabs expanded from a relatively small tribe of horse peoples to dominating the middle east all the way to the majority of Spain and attacked France.

If you want a religion to criticize try criticizing Tengri paganism which the mongols followed during their time of expansion. Millions died.

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>Save the fag from execution
>Get an achievement for it

Oh so the devs WANT ME to save the fag rather than doing it of my own free will.

Great design guys.

>>322676982
So you're saying that religion can be misued by powerful people topush their own agendas? Like the character in Wasteland 2?

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>>322676982
>try reading the bible
>reading bad fantasy novels

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Don't tell me you guys still believe in Jesus

>>322677278
You're deflecting even harder now.

>>322677313
Yes, but since people don't actually fucking read the bible they miss the whole point of the New Testament.

>>322677279
I guess they also want you to kill a party member?

Do you really consider achievements so rewarding that it becomes your sole motivation?

>>322675928

Because the game is fake and has fake religions in it.

>>322677527
So what, people who hate gays aren't true Christians?

>>322677441
I'm saying your arguments are pretty weak and 14-year-old tier. It's pretty obvious you don't know what you're talking about and have never explored the subject past the surface.

I remember I used to think the same thing but then I started reading and stopped being 14.

>>322677527
But what are you complaining about? In the game, a bad guy is misusing Christianity to do whatever he wants. This happens in real life, too. What's the problem?

>>322674708
>This one guy represents every christian
Did the game actually say this? Are there no other christians in the game? Does each and every one of them try to execute a gay?

Obsidian is overrated.

>>322677719
No, that would be a no true scotsman argument.

They're just bad Christians and they missed the point. It is pretty hard to get past the Old Testament since it's so long but you have to remember that the Old Testament is the history and practices of the Jews.

>>322677591
I don't like achievements, but to truly 100% a game these days you need to get all the achievements.

>>322676103
Anon, you've never been to the American South.
>Yes I have
You're retarded then and don't pay attention to anything around you.

>>322677737
I wasn't even the guy you were arguing with, it's just blatantly obvious that your arguments are terrible.

>Are you saying Christians would never do anything besides "just being nice" because of the New Testament?

>Well I dunno it's what the Bible says anyway and it was the church that was corrupt and it was taken over and it was actually about something else and anyway these other religions were even worse

It's pathetic.

>>322673664
>most christians
>not massive hypocrites who pick and choose
>not gullible cucks who vote for a party that wants to literally erase the middle class and usher in a two-class system like the middle east where the rich have unlimited powers because muh abortion and muh gay marriage

>>322675083
All Arbahamic religion is bad.

Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are the three most harmful things in the world.

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>>322676559
You realize the crusades have as much to do with Christianity as Islam has to do with the Taliban right?

>>322678097
What are you even trying to argue here? I agreed that terrible people would abuse their power and the ignorance of the common man.

These story points in game are less about religion and more about the exploitation of mob mentality. Get your head out of your ass and read a book sometime.

>>322677895
Well, if there can be such a thing as a "bad" Christian, >>322676103 is entirely pointless, isn't it?

But then we could also view Wasteland 2 as a criticism of bad Christianity, something any good Christian can probably get behind.

>>322674993
not that guy but yes, that's right

>>322678328
I'm arguing that you said something utterly silly and completely failed to defend it when called upon it and instead started to call others uneducated because they didn't take into account a bunch of completely unrelated things.

>>322678451
>But then we could also view Wasteland 2 as a criticism of bad Christianity, something any good Christian can probably get behind.

But that's all Wasteland 2 offers - EVIL, NO GOOD, BAD CHRISTIANITY.

>>322678256
>You realize the crusades have as much to do with Christianity as Islam has to do with the Taliban right?

And you completely missed the point of that post. Well done.
People using religion for their own ends (like in this Wasteland 2 example) is not unique and has happened countless times IRL.

So if the OP thought that was a fedora tipping moment then maybe he should start tipping his fedora to all the big real life examples.

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>>322676559
>Le crusades meme

Alexios Komnenos asked for help from the Pope because muslims were besieging Constantinople for the 11th time. The crusaders were the help.

>>322678689
fuck off assfaggot

>>322678650
Well, it is after the Apocalypse.

>>322678451
Yes, but you also have to realize that the vast majority of the time gay people aren't being executed in town squares. Sure, bad things happen and bad people will do bad things but the VAST majority of Christians have never murdered someone in their life. You would really condemn millions of good people because one person didn't get the fucking point?

>>322678757
Nice comeback, cumbreath.

>>322678902
All that has ever been argued in this thread is that there would be people missing the point.

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>>322676103

>>322678451
>But then we could also view Wasteland 2 as a criticism of bad Christianity, something any good Christian can probably get behind.
perhaps, but at the same time presenting whole group as radical zealots doesn't help
especially when it implies that any criticism of homosexuality leads to gays being hanged in public

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>>322678902
>good people

>biased toward every other group of people on the planet
>regularly bashing gays and Muslims
>calling for laws against gays and Muslims

Good people would make an effort to co-exist with others, instead of trying to make everyone believe what they do

>>322679274
>coexisting with bunch of radicals who will kill anyone not following their little satanic cult and obnoxious degenerate who force their sexuality into public places including education facilitites because hurr durr muh tolerance

>>322679274
Literally every government and religion does that. Do you really think that the west is the only place that happens? I know it's hard to get past the idea that America is the center of the world since that's all you read about but try reading something else sometime.

stop insulting my religion >:(

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>>322678506

>>322679801
The whole world has been laughing at your "religion" for 70 years now, Hans.

>>322679801
more like cuckstianity lel

buncha losers glorifying losing from the start

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>>322677895
>No, that would be a no true scotsman argument
>They're just bad Christians and they missed the point
>No, that would be a no true scotsman argument
>They're just bad Christians and they missed the point
>No, that would be a no true scotsman argument

>>322681072
You don't really know what no true scotsman is do you?

Modern catholic church enforces thinking like a victim. "Blessed are the ones who suffer" my ass.

Protestant church is the true successor of first christianity, doesn't fuck around with accepting gay shits and degeneracy because it's modern thing to do nowdays.

Catholic church is a fucking joke

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>>322676103
Have you read the Bible, Jesus literally says "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets"

Fuck if you are gonna believe your book is the word of God purposely misrepresenting it will probably end you in hell.

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>>322674708
That kind of is what Christians have commonly done before their religion was neutered. More ancient Christianity was basically as bad as Islam because it became more restricted with the progression of western society, so why wouldn't a post apocalyptic Christianity revert to its more violent roots?

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>>322683230

because it hurts muh feelings

>>322681562
>Protestant church is the true successor of first christianity

That's not how you spell orthodox church.

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>>322681562
go to sleep old man

>>322676559
The Bible is mostly stories about people sinning. That doesn't make it okay.

>>322673664
Assassin's Creed. No, really, pick any one AssCreed game, especially 3 and earlier.

"God" is actually a collective of aliens from a super-advanced culture that preceded humanity, the fruit of the Tree of Life is actually one of their artifacts, and Adam and Eve was just rebelling against the aliens' enslavement.

Also, all religions are explicit tools made up by people who've been fighting and killing each other over scraps of the fragments of culture the aliens left behind.

>>322680302
>only 70 years

>>322684862
>aliens
>precursors

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>>322681562
>Modern catholic church enforces thinking like a victim. "Blessed are the ones who suffer" my ass.
literally the foundation of christianity
but protestants do it too

Christianity tier ranking:
Respectable tier: Jesus Christ of Nazareth
Life affirmation tier: Renaissance Catholic
Bad tier: Orthodox, Catholic
Worse tier: Lutherans
Scum tier: American evangelicals, calvinists, laestadians, baptists, mormons
Cancer tier: Martin Luther
Ebola tier: Paul the baptist

GOD'S MILITIA DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wwwPJJoJPg