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Vidya needs to evolve, k?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERR1F-zoTVg
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>>283815245
Actually not a bad video.
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>>283815245

>Some vidya can adopt some ideas if they feel like it.
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>>283815245
>Gendered Mechanics

Okay, that's cool.
Take Persona 3. It would very much be better with gender mechanics. Every female character will have designated monthly ycles. Take Mitsuru for example. Every month at 5 days she will be in constant tired mood and if taken as teammate will frequently disobey orders. On the others, she will be in 'great' mood, however, increased flirtyness makes her spam Marin Karin in attempt to charm enemies. I believe it would add very much to realism of women in gaming and make game much more inclusive.
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>>283815245
>Extra Credits
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>>283815446
Also OP, please don't samefag fake outrage
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Umm, congrats?
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>>283815245
What will these people gain from this? Really?
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Godammnit, we already had a thread on this
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Gendered mechanics are yucky
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>>283815604
Views because mods don't delete these shit threads
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>>283815245
I agree
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>RPG
>play as cute female
>can't whore her out
>doesn't get raped when losing against bandits
>can't get pregnat and become a caring housewife

If this continues games will never evolve.
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I hate Spirit Science so much.
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>>283815245
>only 2000 views

what's the matter? need more views from /v/?

you know, i wish mods would delete these shitty threads, but instead this is gonna be a 500 reply thread
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>>283816431
i do it for the keks
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Does anyone else feel like GG is about to implode on itself as all parties involved realized their retardedness after Law & Order?
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>>283815245
>that video

he literally just described "This War of Mine" minus the zombies part and scavenging at night instead

its a touchy feely game that makes you rob innocent survivors or kill violent bandits for the food water and materials to build up your own safe house
Its ok
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>>283816545
>GG is about to implode on itself
Most likely not. We're talking about 4chan anons, and they(we?) wouldn't pass on schadenfreude of journos getting mad.
>threatening devs
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Did Spirit Science ripoff Extra Credit or was it vice versa? Or is it the same person?

They are both pretty gay either way.
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The few women I know that play vidya honestly want these people to shut the fuck up
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>>283815528
That video isn't about mechanics based on gender, it's about how the industry tends to associate specific genres and their underlying mechanics with themes that are often paired up with them and the gender roles that are tied to said themes (ie a lot of FPS involve some sort of soldier/military set up which is more of a concept associated with males) when the case isn't necessarily true since using different themes with the same mechanics can result in something attractive to the other gender (ie Portal is an FPS with a bigger female audience than most other FPS because it's not about heavily male appealing concept like military).
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>>283815245
>Previous thread 404s
>Hmm.. time to make a new one! Can't let the viral marketing end!
>Yes, continue it more /v/! Hooray, more attention! More pageviews! Yay!
>I am a very good OP.
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>>283815245
>Not wanting Gendered Mechanics
>Not wanting a male play through to be different to a female one
>Not wanting replayability.
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>>283816545
One group hated the episode (without laughing at it either) and some parts were in full defence force mode.

Another group simply laughed at it.

I think GG is fine.
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>>283816861
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh what is this? its so similar
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Why the fuck hasn't this been disliked to oblivion? It is absolute garbage from start to finish. The very first sentence out of his mouth was monumentally dumb.
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>>283815245
>>283815528
>>283816323
>>283816545
>>283816770
>>283816808
>>283816861
>>283816905
>>283816990
>>283817012

You have 10 seconds to explain why you're giving this thread serious replies.
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>>283816870
Why haven't they spoken up about it? If more people women stepped up, I'm sure they'd have no choice but to conceed their opinions were wrong on faulty judgments.
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>that guy on the Extra Credits team who won't stop viralling his fucking videos
FUCKING STOP YOU FUCKING CUNTS YOUR OPINIONS ARE FUCKING TERRIBLE
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>>283817208
anita would call them uneducated
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>No men or women
What would we play as? Neuchachos?
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Extra Credits thread?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtB2YGKP6Y4
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I watched the video. Summing up:
- different sexes don't favor different mechanics, it's a social construct
- different sexes favor different aesthetics/themes, but just because of social constructs
- you can use any mechanics for any sex as long as you theme it properly
- case in point: portal is a fps girls can enjoy
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>>283815245
>portal
>first person shooter
>you shoot portals

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>283817208
Not that guy, but I don't really know how or where to speak up about it. I post on here about how I think this kind of shit is dumb, but I wouldn't know what else to do. It's not like game journos give a shit what actual female gamers think.
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>>283817179

I love funposting too much.
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>>283817456
I've always wondered, are social constructs meant to be a bad thing or something societies rely on to keep a level of sanity.
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>>283817456
>>283817516
Stop it. Just stop. Stop seriously responding to these shills. Don't be a retarded sheep.
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>>283817386
That isn't EC and you know it.

This is now a Future Space Hebrews And Christ Spaceships thread.
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I lost any remaining respect I had for these guys after they slandered Totalbiscuit. And they were already on thin ice after they used charity money to open a games studio.
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Did someone say Sextra Credit?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLmsVBgZiak
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>>283815245
>gendered mechanics
That's a really bad misnomer. I think they did that for click baiting.
Essentially what they're saying is people should stop thinking that game genres pander only to a specific gender, like saying FPS games are only for men.
In reality, the problem isn't gender bias, its stagnant mechanics overall and a reluctance towards any experimentation. It isn't that experimentation doesn't exist, they just needed something to complain about while bringing up gender.
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>>283815245
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>>283816905
>associate specific genres and their underlying mechanics with themes that are often paired up with them and the gender roles that are tied to said themes (ie a lot of FPS involve some sort of soldier/military set up which is more of a concept associated with males)
It's a mixed bag. Most games right now are innovationless rehashes that have realism and graphics as the main point. When you pine for realism, you just don't do things that aren't happening in reality. And so you end up with 'not-really-cliches' like male-filled armies, because in reality that's what is happening. Blame industry, but lack of other representations isn't indicative of any sort of -isms other than realism. Blame western industry that thrives on rereleasing same FPSes. Also, Portal was popular anyway, not only for females, because of innovative gameplay they took from Narbacular Drop.
>>283817179
it's a better option than responding to you, so you just get a side-comment
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>>283817758

Was this supposed to be a reference to Rance? The serial rapist teacher looks and acts eerily similar to Rance.
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What a load of crap
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Didn't these guys embezzle charity money or something?
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>>283815245

Keep your agendas out of vidya pls
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>>283817950
just a generic H protag. Don't read too deep into it.
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I can't stand Extra Credits and I think that a lot of their opinions are ridiculous. But they're right this time, stereotyping is stupid.
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>>283815245
this video disproves itself.
saying mainly boys play fps until its a completely different "FPS" like portal that is played by a lot of girls, is saying that there is in fact a positive relation between typical fps elements and a male audience. If an fps has to give up said elements in order to be played by the other gender to a large extent, it only proves what he's debating against.
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>>283816905
>Shooting involves the military
Well golly gee go figure. Unless youre doing a crime shooter which will again prolly be male since theyre involved in violent crime you cant get around it
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>>283815245
>Extra Credits
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It is very naive to think you can successfully market any game to both genders. Many game devs have tried, few have succeeded.

This is the problem with the notion that "SOCIETY IS TELLING YOU HOW TO THINK AND FEEL!" It's not society, it's biology. Men and women just like different things. Sometimes you can appeal to both, most of the time you can't. And trying to is just going to make a product people already like not like it as much.
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>>283817645

It's just deconstructionist critical theory bunk

(x) is bad because it's possible to manipulate semantics to the point where you can make it look bad, while ignoring anything good about it

Sophistry
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>>283815245
is he realizing that the games he uses as counter examples are very untypical for their genre and that actually proves that certain genres are mainly for certain genders, unless they do a lot of things different?
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>>283815245
>talks about people not experimenting in games
>game pitch idea is about fucking zombies

do these people listen to themselves talk?
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>>283815604
Ad revenue
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>>283815245
>Genres don't exist on a matter of taste, but on a matter of gender

This nigger should kill himself. Just because I'm I guy doesn't mean I don't like non-violent first person games or that I love to murder things with guns.

Why does it matter in the first place whether or not you have a dick between your legs? Nobody's forcing you to play the game the same way nobody forced you to go see Twilight.
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>>283818685
im sure they do, and they love the sound of there own voices, like most hipsters do.
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>>283818685
>game is about fucking zombies

I'm actually seeing some good potential for a dating sim here
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>>283815245
>Genres don't exist on a matter of taste, but on a matter of gender
That is the biggest bullshit I have ever heard.
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WOOOOOOW BUGGED GENDER MECHANICS HYUKHYUKHYUK
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>>283816905
Portal is popular among females because it's not FPS but puzzle game. Good puzzle game that is hated on /v/ because of stupid meme it started.
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>>283816905
It's much more a puzzle game than a shooter game though.
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>>283817645
They're not bad by themselves, social constructs pretty much just mean they're not innate.

Dental hygiene is a social construct. So is race.
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>>283819078
penny, did you know the cake is a lie?
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I never liked these faggot videos in the first place because this kid talks like a fag and his shits all retarded. But i swear to god the shit he's been putting out lately makes me think he found a militant sjw to take all 2 inches of him.
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STOP VIRALING YOUR SHIT HERE ON /v/
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>>283819316
>cake is a lie?
How is the cake a lie when I see it right there
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>>283816905
>(ie Portal is an FPS with a bigger female audience than most other FPS because it's not about heavily male appealing concept like military).

No you dumb nigger. It has a big female audience because it isn't a fucking FPS.
It isn't a
First
Person
SHOOTER


It's a fucking puzzle game and that cuck in the video said himself that it's sexist or whatever the fuck to make puzzle games appeal to women and big macho shooters to men.
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>>283815245
mirror that shit you faggot
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>>283815245
How about this. Make a game for these people, and leave our shit alone.
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>>283819427
But you shoot your portal GUN and dodge bullets and take out enemies to get to your objective
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>we, as an industry
>we
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>>283819636
By your logic Persona is a Shooter because you SHOOT a gun at your head.
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>Everyone needs to empthaize with our problems!
>But we refuse to do the same with your problems.
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>>283819763
Is your head an objective
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>>283817645
I think it's about individuality. Or at least started from being about individuality.

It's like "school imposes certain schemes of thinking that will strip you down of being yourself".

In case of gender it's more like "certain stereotypes associated with this gender will make you lose your individuality and being more of a *male* or *female* instead of being *yourself*".

Obviously then it goes pants on retarded because what it proposes is extreme alienation of individuals so they can be *themselves*.

It's funny thing if you think about it - /pol/ calls them marxist but their line of thought leads to conclusions that are the exact opposite of Marx statements. And they all claim to be lefty on top of that.
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>>283819636
and the game wouldnt be ANY different if you just could make portals appear, it's more of a design choice. taking out enemies is maybe 1% of the game. neither steam nor wikipedia list it as an FPS
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>>283819819
It's an objective to collecting Personas and establishing Social Links
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>>283819943
>steam nor wikipedia
But those aren't reliable sources
pokemon isn't an rpg
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>>283819915
I, myself, always kept moving as a child and never felt a sense of community where I went. Always alone, especially in a foreign land where no one speaks english
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>>283818685
>hipsters
>listening to themselves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxzCupLAsfo
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They talk as if games go "NO GIRLS ALLOWED" or "NO BOYS ALLOWED" when the game in reality just appeals to certain people.
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>>283820165
>pokemon isn't an rpg
what the fuck, of course it is
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>>283816905
>ie Portal is an FPS

Except it isn't. It's a first person puzzle platformer.
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Portal isn't a shooter though, so the FPS arguement doesn't really hold. Splatoon seems a much better example to test this idea against. Might be worth watching to seem m:f ratio when it comes out, though as I understand it wiiu is heavily male this gen, so the ratio would have to be normalized against the the user base ratio, and I don't think we know that.
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I don't wanna play as no faggot.
So I simply won't buy any games that do this.
What's the big deal? Why don't you do the same? Screaming like a little babby about it won't do you any good.
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>>283820165
So what is an RPG then?
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>>283820165
>But those aren't reliable sources
enlighten me, what is then? your oppinion?
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>>283816905
How many women are there in the military?
Would you say one million?
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>>283820165
yeah dude and smash isnt a fighting game
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>>283815245
It's entertainment. Different genres are ment to appeal to different people. This is like saying everybook should be 50 shades of twilight and every movie should be an action romantic comedy.

People like different things. Boys like Call of Duty, Girls like Candy Crush. Making things to try and please everyone, in general, will please no one at all.
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>>283815604

They are pretentious cunts, to them it's all new flavors of farts to experience
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What the fuck is a "Hidden Object game" everything I find makes it sound like a point and click adventure.
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>>283820709
Basically a computer version of an I spy book.
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>>283815245
>kingdom hearts enormous female following
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>>283816545

GG is fine. Not so much because the general public cares that much about ethics in gaming journalism, it's because they care even less about putting transgender nignogs in every game.
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>>283817910
>they took from Narbacular Drop
Oh wow, they completely ripped it off. Well, that's... false gods and everything, I guess. Thanks for this, anon.
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By this retard's logic, battlefield is an RPG because you can customise your equipment.

The fucking mindgymnastics these people try to pull off to prove their point, jesus fucking christ.
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>>283816905

>ie a lot of FPS involve some sort of soldier/military set up which is more of a concept associated with males

I bet my left ball that the videogame ration of females/males is much greater than the real world ratio.
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>>283817645

It's this weird over arching theme you find in America that basically demonizes any sort of societal influence or adhering to the standards of a community. It's really, really strange and completely bipartisan.
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>>283817910
>>283821015
Is it really ripping off if Valve hired the team that made the original proof of concept?
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>>283819915
They are cultural marxists, those who take the economic ideology of marx and apply the same reasoning to wider society and human culture.

Basically that ideology is controlled by those with control of the mode of production, i.e Rich white men!

Therefore all facets of human society work to assist their dominance and reflect their beliefs
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>>283821118
Is that what happened? Good to know.
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I don't get it. So what this video is saying is that the aesthetics of the game is more gender specific than the genre? That's not really a secret. Yes shooters are primarily military themed and thus male oriented because the idea of shooting is for the most part thought of in a military way. That's not wrong either, guns are made for killing. Portal and Splatoon may twist the idea of that, but no one expects them to become the dominant style of doing that type of game, they're just fun ideas to mix it up. I just don't really get the message here and what he wants done about it. There will always be games that switch up how a game plays, but it's nothing at all malicious that shooters usually are themed for males.
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>>283816323
>can't get pregnat and become a caring housewife
Did you check? Also, your wife on DQV can fight with you for a while while pregnat. I checked.
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>>283821440
the game was in a competition and valve saw it and hired them. they were taken out of the competition because the game had already "won"
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>>283815245
>video is called Gendered Mechanics, implying the mechanics are gendered
>he's actually talking about how people stereotype genres
>then goes on to talk about theming

Gender-biased theming is not the same thing as saying the MECHANICS are gendered. gg Extra Credits, whether on purpose or not, you resorted to sophistry again.

I seriously can't tell if they know they're doing it anymore.
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Men and Women are born different. I don't understand whats wrong with appealing to things that are naturally masculine or naturally feminine.
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>extra credits
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>>283815245
These idiots need to leave the internet.
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>>283815245
VIDEO GAME
VIDEO GAME MONSTERS
VIDEO GAMES ARE THE OPPRESSORS
CHAAAAAAANGE INTO SHITLORD CHAMPIONS TO CRUSH THE DIGITAL GIRLS
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>>283822065
Member of what
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>>283815245
>Every second character is either black or a woman with dyed hair
WOW SO PROGRESSIVE AND SUBTLE I BARELY EVEN NOTICED

this is the shit that genuinely makes me racist. I'm so sick of this hamfisted shit
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>>283822276
Member is a slang term for dick.
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>>283817803
This guy gets it.
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>>283820529
YOU KNOW THE FUCKING RULES
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>>283822372
I get that, I guess I was expecting something more mature
ECA has a shitty site though, jesus christ, it's embarassing to look like that in 2015
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>>283821976
These people have never taken a biology class, so its doubtful that they know what sexual metamorphism is. Because of that, they say that the concept of masculinity and femininity are false because males and female are literally the same in every respect.
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>>283822065
>hatperson

I was on the fence before, but now I'm sold.
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>>283815245
>let's take a hidden object game and make it not a one or marginalize that aspect
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>>283822543
No, no, friend. Males and females are different in their reproductive organs and only their reproductive organs, and if you attempt to verify this assertion then, then you are looking suspiciously hard for differences, and you're probably a Nazi.
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I really dont care. I just wanna play good videogames.
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I know you guys are replying to bait without actually watching the video, but you know that this video is about genre demographics rights?
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What the fuck is a gendered mechanic? Someone tell me because I'm not watching that shit and I can't think of a single game I've played where male and female characters were different because of their gender
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>>283823095
see
>>283821921
>>283817803

the title is bullshit and he talks about a different subject that sounds kinda similar if you're dumb and don't use your brain (i.e. sounds correct to their fans)
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>>283823095
It says that certain types of games with certain types of mechanics are aimed at only one gender.
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>>283823048
>watching bullshit bait vids

Yeah, no, anon. I have actual taste.
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>>283823095
see
>>283823048

they're talking about game audiences and how certain genre's are seen as being for a certain gender, like FPS for boys, and bullshit puzzlers for girls.
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>>283823095
'we need to make less focused games to be more inclusive/progressive'
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>>283816545
I honestly don't even know what they're doing anymore they contacted the FTC who put them on the backburner because they're too busy dealing with thousands of retards who fell for 419 and other spam scams for the millionth time
They contacted advertises who only gave some fucks and pulled a few ads
They've exhausted all options all they can do is wait and bitch on twitter about something that no one cares about
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>>283820392
Everything except for mobile is heavily male. And even mobile's number's are skewed to hell since anyone who's ayes solitaire counts in the numbers. I think one of the best examples was the gender split for male and female shepherd, something like 80% to 20% respectively.
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>>283816905
>different mechanics, genres and settings appeal to different people
Holy shit slow down anon you're blowing my mind
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>>283823446
>they're talking about game audiences and how certain genre's are seen as being for a certain gender, like FPS for boys, and bullshit puzzlers for girls.
Maybe because they are. My sister destroys me at puzzle games but I wreck her at action games. Women and men are more suited for different things.
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>>283816905
news flash: men and women are different and like different things, more at 8
also classifying portal as an fps is stupid
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>>283823446
>like FPS for boys, and bullshit puzzlers for girls.
so videogames are responsible for changing societies gender role indoctrination?
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>>283817012
>>283816545
from what I saw most of GG thought it was hilarious, while the sjws got triggered
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how many women that are competent at action games have you encountered yet?
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>>283823095
>Girls like puzzle games
>Boys like shooters
>but it's sexist to make shooters appeal to boys and puzzle games appeal to girls
>we need to be more progressive!

>lets make puzzle games about zombies and shooters about candy because I say so! You're holding the industry back guys!
He also says that Portal is a shooter with girlish themes and therefore it proves his point of genders only having preferences on themes and not on mechanics, even though Portal is a fucking puzzle game and he disproved his own point.
He's a fucking hack and I think at this point he knows it. Thats why he spams his videos on /v/, he knows what he's doing.
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>Watching https://vimeo.com/19707588
>Two Norwegian researchers say that the differences between men and women (mentally) is completely culture based
>Host goes to America, England, Scotland, and Denmark and gets studies based upon years of research from children who are up to 1 DAY old
>Shows that those who receive more testosterone (which 99% of the time are Males, but if a female has a birth defect where she receives too much testosterone, its the same) make less eye contact, care more about looking/touching mechanical objects, have more trouble developing speech and relating to others
>Host brings this data back to the Norwegian researchers
>The chick says she still believes its entirely cultural
>Host asks what her scientific basis is
>She says nothing for like 10-15 seconds
>"...I have a theoretical basis"

I'M CRINGING PLEASE HELP
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>>283823446
>they're talking about game audiences and how certain genre's are seen as being for a certain gender, like FPS for boys, and bullshit puzzlers for girls.
So are they arguing for against this idea because if its against then they are arguing against a fucking fact
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>>283816545
GG as a movement doesn't matter just that people know to sniff out corruption/nepotism and calling out bullshit sjw
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>>283824495
where does that specific moment happen? Not gonna watch all that
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>>283816905
Portal is about entering holes, that's why women like it. They want their holes entered.
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>Extra Credits
No.
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>>283824381
My girlfriend plays tons of video games, from nearly every genre.

She used to like playing outside with her friends, but when she was 7 she was in a terrible car accident, both broke her legs and couldn't walk for over a year (if you include the physical therapy and shit).

During that time her two brothers introduced her to vidya, and she's been playing that for like 15 years now.

I think Women can be as good as Men, but most women aren't interested in vidya until they're older, which makes them worse.

I'm sure if you take a chick who has been playing games for 10+ years and put them up against Chad McDudebro who is more interested in partying, she'll win every time.
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>>283824674
Like 32 minutes in.
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>>283824776
>someone who actively plays vs a casual
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>>283816905
>Portal is an FPS
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>>283824495
Brainwashed is an excellent documentary don't worry anon that doumentary saved Norway from becoming Sweden 2.0 and they shut down the Nordic gender institute probably because of the documentary
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>>283824950
Exactly. Most women are casual vidya players at best because video games usually appeal to men.

Most of them are competitive. You vs a friend, You vs the computer, You vs the high score. Men are more competitive (an evolutionary fact) which leads them to being interested in them.

I think its less natural ability (though men do have faster reaction times) and more so women usually playing video games because in some places its very socially acceptable, and women naturally want to fit in (again, an evolutionary fact).
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>>283817456
>- different sexes don't favor different mechanics, it's a social construct
>- different sexes favor different aesthetics/themes, but just because of social constructs

these are factually incorrect

>portal is a fps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4
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>>283824968
its from the first person perspective and you shoot shit with a portal gun
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>>283825165
I actually am really interested in watching more of it now.

Are the other episodes as good as this one?
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>>283819636
>portal GUN

no, it's an Aperture Science Handheld Portal Device.

It's a First Person Devicer.
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>>283823095
something something gender sterotypes
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>>283824776
What the fuck does competitive gaming have to do with anything? I've been playing games since the 80s, and I'm not good at competitive games, because I don't like the mindless, repetitive grind of multiplayer games.
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Why is it so hard to believe that men and women may have tendencies towards different things?
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>WE PUT PUZZLES IN THE FPS
>WOMEN LIKE IT NOW
>WE PUT THE RPG IN THE PUZZLES
>MEN LIKE IT NOW

It's like they don't even realize they are defeating their own arguement.
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>>283824776
>I think Women can be as good as Men
They cant. I hate to bring up ASSFAGGOTS but this is the most relevant example I can think of. There are around 400-500 pro LoL players in the world. 0 are female. Even if you expand to amateurs looking to go pro which would be more like 10000 there are none. Only if you expand into the top 100k or so players do you find 1-2 women. I'm fairly certain this is the same across Dota 2, CSGO and other such games as well.

Women suck dick at action games.
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>>283822279
>Naoto image
Extra Credits managed to talk shit about you're waifu.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUqivXMlpcQ
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