Did any of you underage faggot get a dreamcast when it launched back in the day?
How do you explain the greatest launch to the greatest console to plebs?
I hated sonic games as a kid. There was literally nothing exclusive to genesis that I was interested in when it was new and I liked the SNES controller better so I figured this console would be the same thing. And with a launch price of like $600 I just laughed it off and ignored it.
God damn was it amazing when my dad got it for me with Gauntlet though.
I got one for christmas when it was decleared that Sega had failed and only remaining discounted units were sold. The dreamcast is arguably the biggest graphical jump in home consoles, it had by far the best graphics at the time, similar to arcades. It took years for the ps2 to rival it and even then it couldn't match some of its qualities like anti-aliasing and arguably no ps2 or gamecube game is as impressive as SoulCalibur.
Best Dreamcast game coming through.
I don't have to explain jack shit. Every PS until PS4 (because fuck getting a current gen console) I have bought has broken on me and forced me to get a replacement, while my faithful Dreamcast is still sitting right here under my TV.
It was always this mystical system to me when I was a kid. I only remember one person who had one when it was out. The only other interaction I had with it was playing Ready 2 Rumble at a bestbuy Kiosk until the system died & I bought one for close to nothing from a Funcoland.
Still say it's a better system than the PS4, the Xbone, & even the Wii-U.
There's just nothing good coming out this console generation.
Yep. Bought it on launch day. I was in the 7th grade. I pre-ordered Save Zero, Blue Stinger, and Sonic Adventure (though Slave Zero didn't come out until a couple months later). That was the best launch day of my vidya life.
You can't. Those plebs don't play games. The Dreamcast was a great gaming console that died too soon. The library was unique as well. Hell, some games were still being made only a few years ago.
I don't get this, I've never had a console fail on me in my life, and I own every system from Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sega. My launch model 360 even still works. Am I just lucky?
I went with my brother to Electronic Botique to pick up a Dreamcast along with Sonic Adventure and Power Stone back in 1999.
One of the best consoles of it's time, it even had online capable games like Phantasy Star Online and Quake 3. The capabilities and graphics were way head of the N64 and PS1 and even PS2 to some degree (VGA 480p > composite 480i), it's a shame that the console died too soon and faded to obscurity after PS2 and the other newer consoles came out.
definitely the biggest jump. Too big of a jump for sony or microsoft's taste (nintendo too). they wanted to drip-feed new technology and content so their console racket would last longer.
Didn't get it at launch, got it about a year later. I was a Freshman in high school, I think. Parents were always good about getting me a new console for Christmas if I wanted one, but they weren't able to find a PS2, despite their best efforts. They approached me a few days before Christmas and were like, "Sorry bro, no PS2s out there. Anything else you want this year?"
"Shit, let's get a Dreamcast, looks pretty cool."
So, me and my dad went out to grab one. I think that I came home with Sonic Adventure, Resident Evil: Code Veronica and maybe Grandia II. Just as we got home my mom called up and said that she had been approached by someone who would sell her a PS2 for retail. Could have taken the Dreamcast back, but I knew my dad didn't want to go back out (it was a long-ass drive to the store), so I decided to keep the DC instead. Many fun times were had.
My dad got me a PS2 when I was younger and it died out of nowhere on me. I just plugged it in one day, everything was set up correctly, and it just didn't turn on. I don't know what happens to it after that.
My PS2 wouldn't read blue PS2 discs anymore after a few months of use, I remember that I couldn't play SSX for awhile but I could play Kingdom Hearts just fine. Then later it stopped reading all PS2 games eventually, I had to buy a new one and shit sucked.
>Virtual On Oratorio Tangram
>Phantasy Star Online
>Skies of Arcadia
>Sonic Adventure 1+2
God damn so many memories. I was playing VOOT a few weeks ago. The controller is a bit odd, but holy shit VMUs were brilliant.
>Soul Calibur on DC can do 60FPS
>almost no games these days can even hit 30
>tfw I'm the only one who played this game
Fuck you I liked it
I don't really care for the Dreamcast that much. All I ever play on mine is Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 and Jet Set Radio. The analog stick rotating and it not having a good grip makes me never want to play it.
>that Virtual On playthrough demo running at 60FPS
that shit blew my mind back in the day, everything looked so clean and smooth in that game, I haven't seen a PS2 game look as smooth and crisp as that game.
I got my Dreamcast 2 days after I started seeing my first girlfriend. On September 9, I rushed home after school, or rather sat impatiently on the bus NEEDING IT TO HURRY THE FUCK UP so I could harass my mom to bring to me Ames where I had pre-ordered the console a few weeks before hand. When I got home, I hastily unboxed the console and hooked it up to my TV, getting as far as inputting the time and date and inserting the Sonic Adventure disc when the phone rang. It was my new girlfriend. Fuck. I had to sit there on the phone with her for about 2 hours while I just stared at my TV playing the attract video for SA over and over again. It fucking killed me to not be playing that game. Finally I think she realized I wasn't really paying attention to what she was saying and made up some excuse about having to go to dinner or something, and we agreed to sit with each other at lunch the next day and we hung up and then HOOOOOOLY FUCKING SHIT SONIC ADVENTURE WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS EVEN HOLY WOW SONIC IS IN 3D AND THESE CONTROLS KIND OF SUCK BUT FUCK THIS GAME IS AWESOME. Sleep.
That's how 9.9.99 went for me.
I was thinking about doing that (I actually have a dreamcast but it reads discs whenever it wants), I just wanted to know if DC emulation was alright so I could maybe save some time and money
Yes, I just don't tell my friends
fuck yeah Blue Stinger. I have a copy of that somewhere, I should really dig it and my Dreamcast out and give it another playthrough.
No game before or since has been able to match the feeling of running around a shopping center playing cheery Christmas music while you randomly fire rocket launchers at zombies and then cut them up with a light saber when you run out of ammo.
Linear was a childhood crush.
And I never played it.
Any fur fighter niggas here? I still have this masterpiece
Well I guess I was a superior 12 year old because I thought it felt good and had no problem with.
An opinion I don't share with 12yo me anymore but I will gladly let me know that Open your heart is still the best 3d sonic song
sadly, this is true. From my own experience, I knew 6 people in high school who had an Xbox. I was the only person who had a Dreamcast.
But fuck me if lugging 4 Xboxes and 4 TVs over to a friend's house for some sweet, sweet Halo multiplayer with everyone on their own screen wasn't fucking great. We only did it a few times, the last time being the Halo 2 launch, but man, those were good times.
God damn it, now I miss that shit and the actual LAN parties I used to go to. Dragging a 19" Dell CRT around to my buddy's house was a huge pain in the ass, but it was fucking great for keeping pizza warm.
The day I figured out how to burn games onto blank CD-R's and play them on my Dreamcast was fucking amazing.
I was already pirating the the latest games that were hitting the stores like Sonic Adventure 2 and Jet Grind Radio, I guess I was to blame for Dreamcast's swift death but oh well, it was a great system and I will always love it.
I had that same exact controller.
Favorite games were
>PSO (even downloaded extra Jap quests to get the rare rewards)
>Unreal Tournament (got some t-shirts & games from playing this)
I didn't get into burning games until after the DC was dead.
Then I used DiscJuggler like a motherfucker. Project Justice, Cosmic Smash, JoJo's, lots of great niche games that were harder to find later on.
Same here. I have every Dreamcast game ever released in a CD case sitting in a bin in my closet right next to my original Dreamcast. I hook it up every couple of years just to make sure it still works. I should really look into getting a supply of VMUs before those all die.
What's the best cable type available for the Dreamcast? I bought a set of cables with an S-Video out a few years ago, but for some reason the S-video would only display black and white, with crazy diagonal lines going across the screen. I don't imagine there's actually component cables for the Dreamcast, right?
They dropped support for the Saturn after only a couple years because it wasn't selling. They dropped support for the Dreamcast because of the rampant piracy and the fact that the PS2 was about to stomp it into the fucking ground in every market.
The Genesis, on the other hand, had a fairly long life, even without the Sega CD and 32X that were intended to keep it relevant until the Saturn was ready for launch. You have to remember, the Genesis launched 2 years before the SNES, so it had a pretty good life span.
I don't understand they did it, especially when just about every TV supported RGB SCART at that point in time.
>They dropped support for the Saturn after only a couple years because it wasn't selling.
That never stopped any Sony system. Except the Vita.
I still have my Dreamcast and accessories, but the laser is having a hard time reading games (GD-R and CD-R).
I heard that there is a lens calibration trick to get it working again, but I'm not even sure if that will bring my Dreamcast back to life.
>people still believe the dreamcast was more powerful than the original Xbox or gamecube
I want this meme to die
i'll never forget playing the fuck out of Power Stone for weeks on end
i actually still have mine from launch with a shit ton of legit games (including Shenmue 2 imported from Europe), a handful of VMUs, the Samba de Amigo maracas, VGA adpater, the broadband modem (Q3A was actually pretty decent online) and a bunch of other shit.
I think the Dreamcast was one of the rare cases where piracy actually did hurt it very bad. It came out around the time that broadband and CD burners started to become ubiquitous and you could literally just burn an iso and stick it in and play.
Vita isn't selling well, but it's still getting support.
Meanwhile, Sega pulled the plug on Dreamcast in less than 2 years. I remember in 2003, PSO servers were already shutting down and Dreamcast was being sold for rock bottom prices due to PS2 stomping it.
Sega of America were a bunch of cunts. Sega Japan was a perfectly good company run by a well-organized team. For whatever reason, SoA felt like they didn't need to even talk with SoJ and started doing shit all willy-nilly, and look where that got them. SoA is the reason the Saturn launched on the same day it was announced. SoJ would have never OK'd a move like that.
I still remember seeing the first Dreamcast set up with Sonic Adventure in the mall.
I was used to SNES and Genesis graphics. When I saw Sonic in 3D for the first time, I just about shat.
My dad bought one used for us with Sonic Adventure and Soul Calibur and Shenmue. I was too young to figure out Shenmue but damn I loved that system.
When I got SA2 for christmas my brother and I played it for years until the disc stopped working.
Opposite. SEGA of Japan was mad that SEGA of America was making their brands popular. They sabotaged things intentionally out of spite.
SEGA of Europe made the Master System successful due to legal bullshit involved with Nintendo and the NES.
People want to believe the underdog was secretly the best and, had it been given its proper time, would have beat the pants off the competition. People are also stupid.
The Dreamcast was more akin to the N64 in terms of power than the PS2/Xbox/Gamecube.
>Then s-video is the best you've got. Maybe there's a bad cable or TV?
eh it was probably just the cable. Pretty sure it was some madcatz thing. Well, they're cheap enough, I'll order another one some day and give it another shot. Either that or I'll hunt around for a CRT with a VGA input and try to get a good VGA cable, that's probably the best solution. I still have an N64 and a PS2 sitting in my closet in addition to the Dreamcast, so picking up a nice CRT wouldn't be such a bad idea.
how do you weabs feel knowing that Sega was started by Americans
PS2's hype and ease of piracy did contribute to the Dreamcast's death, but it was not the main causes of it.
Sega were financially ruined after trying to keep Genesis on life support, the failure of the Saturn launch and lifecycle, and the massive advertising push and R&D costs for the Dreamcast (even going as far as making proprietary GD-R discs for the console). Sega just couldn't afford to keep up with Sony and Nintendo anymore, so their only choices left was to become a software developer for their rivals and hope their IPs sell well enough on their own or dissolve and die out along with Dreamcast.
I was 18 when the Dreamcast came out. Bought it day one along with Sonic Adventure and Soul Calibur. I still remember bringing it home trying to hide from my parents (had just started college) and hooking up to my TV and seeing the glorious intro vid for Sonic. God I loved that machine.
My best friend (and first love) gave me her Dreamcast when she had to move to the other side of the country. This was about a year after the launch.
I still have it, I still play it every now and then.
i still have my original NES, Genesis, SNES, N64, PS1, Dreamcast, PS2, Gamecube, Xbox, a few Gameboy models, DS Lite, and Gamegear and the only system that has ever died on me was a 360 and it happened twice.
Yeah I got one, still have it. Got Sonic Adventure, Power Stones 1 & 2, Marvel vs Capcom 1 & 2, Soul Calibur, Ready To Rumble Boxing 1 & 2, Jedi Power Battles, Wacky Racers, and Super Magnetic Neo.
I had a blast with the system even though I don't have that many games for it, hoping to get more games through legit means now that I have money. The discs seem so fragile tho.
>SE:GA stands for
This is something I should have known. Why did I not know this?
>I went through 6 360's
I don't know what to think about people like you.
>They dropped support for the Dreamcast because of the rampant piracy and the fact that the PS2 was about to stomp it into the fucking ground in every market.
Sega couldn't afford to support the Dreamcast after a certain point. They ran out of money and the company was approaching bankruptcy.
I really doubt he bought 6 of them. Microsoft was pretty good about free replacements for RRoD. I know I went through 3 myself before the Slim came out. I sold the normal 360 I had at the time, which was still functioning just fine, and bought a Slim on launch day. That redesign was fantastic. Never really looked into the 3rd redesign, was there anything significantly different between it and the slim?
I would agree. I'm sure piracy did some damage to the software sales, but what hurt the system the most are the bad decisions Sega made handling the 32X and then the Saturn in the West. After losing a lot of consumer faith, the PS2 looming overhead would help put an end to it as well. I wonder how the system would have fared against the Xbox and GCN as well if Sega had played their cards right in the past.
No you're not lucky.
You're going to get a lot of responses from Sony shill saying how they went through "multiple 360s" (you can always spot the bullshit with this because everybody that has one knows that you could return them for free and get them back)
Regardless, the 360 fail rates have to do more with the care given to the console.
The E model is virtually silent.
I find it funny that the fat PS3s actually ended up having a worse fail rate than the original 360s but we never noticed because nobody had a PS3 until 2010ish and by then they had the slim.
the 360 had legitimate technical problems, it's not some anti-MS conspiracy. it had a very poor initial design. my first one died from E74 which wasn't covered under warranty at the time
not really. It was never as dire as people here at the time tried to make everyone believe. Sure, it had a real rough 3 years in the beginning, but once it picked up steam the PS3 ended up being the better of the two major consoles last gen, considering how quickly the 360's exclusives dried up. Those last couple of years were just sad.
Far as I can recall, there had never been a generation where one console so clearly dominated for the first few years and then just totally fell off at the end, allowing the initially less popular console to become the king. Of course, last gen was also a particularly long console generation, so that could have had a lot to do with it.
What's the best Dreamcast emulator to use for a Windows PC?
Something about the blue discs being lighter causing them to spin too fast. Putting a little tape the label side of the disc to way I down works. Also, in my most cases when the fat ps2s stopped reading discs it's simply because the lens is dirty. Open it up & a little swipe with rubbing alcohol dipped qtip does the trick.
It wouldn't have fared that well since it was underpowered compared to the competition, though if we're pretending that Sega played their cards right prior to Dreamcast, then they would have more money to put into Dreamcast development so it could possibly have better hardware.
Anyone play L.O.L. for it?
Also, can all models simply play CD-Rs?
My older Brother did. At the time I didn't care about graphics, but I loved the fighting games since N64 didn't have any (aside from smash).
My bro used to play NBA 2k so much that I took the disc and scratched it up so he couldn't play it and I'd get to play more DC. I was that kid.
this year i bought another and burned 30+ as a gift.
I don't doubt that some people knew about doing that back then but I don't believe that applies to the majority or even a substantial minority to cause a sizable amount of damage to kill the dreamcast.
I literally didn't even discover you could burn dreamcast ISOs and play them until about 3 years ago.
Maybe I was just ignorant. Maybe I'm still ignorant
All the consoles that have gone on me are My first NES that I replaced with a toploader model a few years later, my PS1 that I have no clue why it died but tech support said it was because I was using an off-brand controller, which had to be complete bullshit. My indigo Gamecube went too and got a silver one a year later that still works to this day, and my Wii stopped working because even though I had never modded it, apparently some important data in the thing got corrupted and it refuses to load past the warning screen.
Not the same guy, but my fat PS2 died many years after I got it, then I bought a slim PS2 which still works to this day
Had a fat PS3 but for whatever reason my uncle wanted to trade me my used fat PS3 and the sixaxis it came with, for a slim PS3 with a DS3, I still have no idea why but hey, not gonna complain
Maybe you're ignorant m8. I knew about it when I was 13 but my broke ass family didn't have a cd burner, or a decent internet connection to actually download games. I'd buy blank cds and take them to a friend's house that actually had access to that shit.
anyone remember Bleemcast! ??
it was a PS1 emulator for Dreamcast that actually worked until Sony sued them into the ground (Sony didn't actually win any lawsuits, they just used them to zap all of the projects money). a beta "leaked" onto the internet shortly after and people started making "Bleemed!" isos of PS1 games you could burn and stick in the DC. it also upscaled the games. it wasn't perfect and it was buggy and unfinished, but it was super impressive at the time.
It was comparable to the Xbox so Nintendo fans say it's the best and it was more powerful in certain areas.
Overall though, the Xbox was more powerful, and using DVDs meant it was in a better position to utilize that power efficiently.
I bought a used 60GB fully backwards compatible PS3 off Craigslist sometime in the middle of 2009. The thing was a mess since the kid who owned it kept it stuffed in the corner of his room so it had no ventilation, and it had shit all over it, but it was the only 60GB I could find at the time that wasn't being sold for like $600 still. I ended up trading the kid my PS2 and a bunch of old games I was never going to play again, plus $50. I took it home and opened it up, cleaned everything about, applied Arctic Silver to the heat sink, and slapped in a 320GB hard drive, and the thing ran great for me for about 2 years. Once it finally YLOD'd on me, I attempted to fix it myself, but had no success, so I regretfully sold it for $75 and went out and bought a slim.
I still miss that 60GB sometimes, but since I have 2 real nice PCs, I can emulate most of the PS2 games I still want to play, so it's really not so bad.
>Power is all that mattered
Wrong. If it was comparable in strength and cheap enough that's all that mattered as far as hardware goes.
Software is what really sells a system.
Dreamcast didn't lack either.
Popularity killed the dreamcast.
Saturn turned the sega kids into sony kids.
I felt really burned by Sega with the Saturn. I ended getting the Dreamcast later on, but I had several friends with the console. Most absurdly overrated console ever. Not to say its a bad system, just the prevalence this attitude of the Dreamcast being so amazing "Yippy Skippy the Dreamcast was the bestest ever"is more akin to the dick bag hipster mentality than anything. It had a short life & is sandwiched between consoles with incredible game libraries. Stop being hyperbolic faggots from time to time, that's all I'm saying. Dreamcast is a pretty cool system with some really unique & creative games. Just take it down a notch.
>Regardless, the 360 fail rates have to do more with the care given to the console.
Hi, Gamestop employee!
The original 360 was a fucking rushed mess of a design. Microsoft knew it would have a high failure rate, just nowhere near as high as it ended up being. But that's what happens when you rush your product to market. Had they given the thing another year of development and launched around the same time as the PS3, the launch 360 would have basically been the Slim, and they wouldn't have had nearly as many units fail.
the issue was that there were more failure problems than RRoD that were NOT covered by warranty until 2009, 4 years after launch
I couldn't afford one at launch but I played a bunch of the pre-release demos in Toys R Us which were setup next to a 64. There was always a line to play the two dreamcasts. Made the 64 look like garbled shit.
For the record, the PS2 is my favorite console, that being said...
>SIX HUNDRED FUCKING DOLLARS
>Literally no games until 2009
>Abysmal multiplat performance
>online pales in comparison to XBL
>online hacked multiple times
>PSN security breach, thousands lose $$$
>backwards compatibility dropped
>heats up so badly you can literally cook eggs on it
It was not a "bad" console but it was objectively inferior to the Xbox 360. I still laugh at the time I tried to play bayonetta on the PS3.
Not to mention the fact that even when it was at launch price, Sony was losing money. To date it's the most returned console to retailor by a significant amount, forcing Sony to fudge the sales numbers to make the console look like it was selling more than it was.
That being said, I'm hopeful for the PS4, but it needs a few more games before I make the jump.
It actually wasn't all Microsoft's fault. Some laws about what materials could be used in soldering lead to them having to use shitty solder that cracked after too much heating and cooling. That combined with the lackluster heat sink/fan arrangement inside lead to astronomical failures!
That's also why people started backing their Xbox boards in the oven to fix it. You could remelt the solder if you were careful and actually fix it temporarily.
>I felt really burned by Sega with the Saturn
We all did.
>here's this 2D game machine
>yeah, slap another processor on it last minute, those Sony guys are making a THREE DEE system
>ok, that's kinda retarded but alright. We won't be using it much anyway.
>ok change of plans guys, we're ONLY releasing the shitty 3D games for it in america
>but like 90% of the best games on the system are 2D
>fuck it, don't even bring them over to america
>we're going to make so much money
The only ones that won were Japan, & importers who knew enough Japanese to play.
With custom firmware you can play ps2 backups on slim model ps3's. Sony removed the ps2 backwards compatibility just so they could resell PS2 games on their classic rerelease thing, homebrew developers got ahold of the code and reverse engineered it to work with practically any PS2 game.
Even though it was designed to be as fucktarded as possible, it was still impressive hardware.
Have you guys seen the Shenmue build running on Saturn?
You forgot Flying Dragon
Clay Fighter 63 1/3
Clay Fighter Sculptor's Cut
and I'm sure I'm missing a good couple but there you go. I think the problem is most of the fighting games on the N64 weren't very good.
TAKE FUCKING PICTURES AS YOU DISASSEMBLE IT
Also separate containers for all the screws is a good idea. The PS3 is a fucking project to take apart and put back together. When I opened mine up to clean it, I ended up with an extra screw and had absolutely no idea where it was supposed to go. I even stripped the whole thing back down and couldn't find an empty hole anywhere.
In contrast, the 360 was a fucking breeze to open up and clean/repair. it was the one saving grace that console had.
I think it was an E3 announcement where Sega said, "Guess what, it releases RIGHT NOW. IN STORES, THIS FUCKING MOMENT," but they never told game publishers this, so while electronics stores may have had Saturn consoles, most didn't have any software for them at all.
Yeah, but that was a late game technical demo, & realistically it could have never been a full game.
Shenmue being the most expensive game of all time at the time of it's release backs this up. They had some serious wozards working at SEGA at the time. The amount of things we never saw or heard of that in SEGA's vault somewhere would make all our heads spin if we knew about any of it I'm sure.
No console has broken on itself for me but my niece once threw down my Wii from a shelf by accident.
Had to get it repaired but it was still during the warranty period so I didn't really mind.
Also I managed to break the original HDD of my PS3 just before I wanted to make a backup since I was about the change it for a new one.
I had to completely reset the console to make it work again.
mfw i have both the dreamcast and gamecube ones
The PS3 never fully recovered from their launch.
It cost the company millions in sales. They came out if gen 7 in the worst shape.
Good news is they have already solidified the lead in gen 8.
>Power is all that mattered
Where the hell did I imply that? Power obviously played a big role in Dreamcast's demise, since PS2 was on the horizon and it was expected to eclipse it in graphical power. That and the brand name are what caused a lot of people to skip DC.
>Software is what really sells a system.
Which Dreamcast had in abundance. It had one of the best launch libraries in history, and Sega gave it plenty of unique titles those first couple of years.
kind of. I know when I got mine, I played the "bootleg CD", which was just a demo disc pack-in, for about 3 months before I got any actual games for it.
Speaking of Saturn games, does anyone else remember The Horde? I think it was a Traveler's Tales game. You were a dude with a big claymore that you could only swing by spinning in a circle, and you had to defend your village from these red goblins. Eventually you'd unlock upgrades and defender units, like knights with big fuck off maces and shit.
It was a terrible game, but it was one of the only games I owned for the Saturn for a good 6 months, and I played the absolute shit out of it. Then I got Die Hard Arcade and never looked back.
>1. Jet Set Radio
>2. Cannonnnnn Spiiiikkkeeeeeee
>3. Pic related
>4. Skies of Arcadia
>5. Space Channel 5
brilliant console though, I have a jap and pal and both of them are still going strong
I sure as hell did, still have it along with my copies of the adventure games, the crazy taxi games, ecco, ikaruga and one or two others like MK Gold.
Well, not at launch, like a few months later when it was already $60
this and Samba de Amigo are my two favorite music games of all time
i used to be able to go through SC5 twice in a row without missing a move. it also had Michael Jackson in it. great game.
>12 years old
>wake up on Christmas morning at 5am
>sprint downstairs almost falling over my own feet
>burst into the living room and see her laying there
>Dreamcast with Sonic Adventure, Chu Chu Rocket and Jet Set Radio
>mfw the water graphics of Chaos in the Sonic Adventure intro
Only other Christmas that ever came close to that was the Gameboy Colour + Pokemon Red one.
Gen 7 was a multiplatform gen.
There were not enough quality exclusives on the PS3 that wernt movie games to justify the poor online, bad security, and horrible multiplatform performance.
I'd like to take this time to point out to the Xbox shills that though the PS3 was the inferior system, not EVERY game ran THAT much worse. It wasn't as big of a difference (most of the time) as gen 6. But yes, I have seen some of the multiplatform pweformances on certain games and yeah it's pretty bad.
I'm guessing that has a lot to do with the number of still perfectly functional Dreamcasts on the market, right? I'd imagine if it were harder to play Dreamcast games, more people would be dedicated to the emulation scene.
I can't believe you niggas forget rayman 2. that game was the tits.
It's quite tricky to just disassemble without a guide as you might do with most stuff.
Sure that's that I meant, Sega getting through the gen in good enough shape so that the Dreamcast had a chance.
To be fair, most Japanese players bought a Saturn for Virtua Fighter, since they really loved the second game over there. They even milked out a bunch of karaoke discs for the Saturn featuring image songs based on each character.
That's fair, but I still contend it's the best retro console to own on the simple fact that ease of piracy and homebrew projects make the entire library(as well as Genesis, Neo-Geo, and PS1 games) instantly available.
PS3 could play blu rays though, and I actually still use it as my BR player.
The online did suck ass though. No party chat? Fuck me, I didn't even bother using a mic when playing PS3 games.
it was the inferior choice up until 2010 or so, when the 360's library completely dried up.
Of course, if you were a person who didn't buy either console last gen and just wanted to get one now to experience the big titles, the 360 would probably still be the way to go due to 6 or so years of having the best versions of the multiplatform games.
Not only did Sega of America desperately try to stop the 2d centric Saturn from happening (by trying to buy the Silicon Graphics unit that would go on to power the 64) but Yu Suzuki pleaded with the executives that '3d was the future' and to use Sega's own 3d arcade hardware as the basis for the Saturn.
Of course the Nips even ignored him and the Saturn happened because even Yu couldn't stop the SoA/SoJ pissing match.
I played the arcade version of MK quite a bit but it was nowhere near as fun as MvC 2, Soul Caliber, Powerstone etc.
I hadn't heard of any of the others at the time.Years later I've played some of these, but again they just aren't very good.
eh, I don't use my PS3 much these days, but I'm reluctant to go through whatever steps are necessary to downgrade it to the point of being CFW compatible. I keep it around for PS+ games, and if I lost the ability to get those, there wouldn't really be a reason to even have it anymore, even if it could play some PS2 games.
NO, but I got mine when it was still alive.
>There were not enough quality exclusives on the PS3 that wernt movie games to justify the poor online
Did you even bother looking through the PS3 exclusives?
Only great exclusives I enjoyed on 360 were;
It had fuck all else.
It was dead before the rest of gen 6 even launched
Compare it to what it actually competed against: n64/ps1
It had the superior version of every single multiplat at the time like Soul Reaver for example
Phantasy Star Online has a server up still.
PSO:BB for PC and I think PSO: PC, GC and DC still work on the server.
The community is kind of shitty but the quests are alright.
just google "schtserv"
>I keep it around for PS+ games,
With custom firmware you can still play those, just download them like anything else. But yeah, if you're already at the latest firmware, downgrading is a bit of an ordeal. I was lucky to get in on the first jailbreak cfw around when it first happened so I could use that to piggyback on all the new cfw releases as they came out over the years.
Some of the XBLA exclusives were killer.
>tfw Shadow Complex isn't on PC
I guess it'll just be lost to time, trapped in the shittiest hardware ever released.
Is it really? How is it the best at playing BR?
Anyone able to find Sega Enterprises annual reports prior to 1998?
I wanted one as a kid, told my dad, and he said "fuck off you're getting a PS2". Probably because it was almost Christmas 2000 and he'd already bought it, but I was still sad.
Then it failed a couple of years later and I was glad. Picked one up for 5 bucks and pirated the few games that were any good.
Yes, it's much more difficult. But, if you get yourself a good, detailed guide, take your time, and pay attention to what you're doing and where everything goes, you'll be fine. A guide is pretty much required though, and like the other anon said, separate containers for each set of screws is a really good idea. It's a big project and it'll take a good chunk of time, but when you get it all cleaned out and put back together with nice fresh thermal paste and the thing runs like brand new, you'll know it was worth it.
Just plan to spend a couple hours working on it the first time. The PS3 was not designed for easy access to the internals.
are there any private servers left for dreamcast? I know this was before xbox live and servers were decentralized. I think fantasy star online still does some servers and quake 3 you might find someone. how exactly did you guys do online play for consoles in the late 90s/early 00s?
>Compare it to what it actually competed against: n64/ps1
It was competing against ps2. Dreamcast actually having functioning online was a big deal in the console war pissing match raging at the time, as well as graphical comparisons of major titles and what have you.
I don't think the Saturn would have ever been capable of "beating" the Playstation, but if Sega had stuck with it in all likelyhood it would have been a very popular console with a solid library of 2D games and some decent 3D ports of playstation games.
>fat PS3s had horrible fail rates
Really it was just that they weren't well ventilated, not in the sense that they couldn't move air, but that they couldn't stop a massive amount of dust accumulating within the units.
Almost every single YLoD was caused by dust build-up. If your original fat PS3 was kept in a dust free zone, or you took a can of compressed air every few months, then it would still be working today.
Depends. How big it was? Because remember, the DC had some ass-backwards cd format that had roughly 1 GB capacity. Someone call it a gimmick, but DVDs were a big thing back then, it's roughly 4GB of game, it was an enormity.
Orignal fat PS3s were worth more for a period of time because they could play PS2 games.
I had a completely dead original PS3 and I still got a little over a hundred bucks for it.
GD-rom, proprietary shit. But they didn't realise CD burners would take off, and CD-Rs played perfectly because they didn't have any copy protection. The only issues are with a few games where shit had to be re-encoded to fit in 700mb.
This has been one of the best threads on /v/ today.
God damn, it feels good knowing you can still have threads mostly devoid of shitposting and faggotry.
That's what happens when the topic isn't full of underage shits.
there's also the rumor that he wrote a bunch of the music for Sonic 3. I don't know why that's such a hard rumor to confirm, but if you listen to the music it really does sound like stuff he'd come up with.
I dont doubt that happened but it failed to establish an audience with the 2 year lead on the competition so it was essentially dead in the water before it even came to the point
The N64 Might as well have been its cousin.
Mmm, I wouldn't say so. If memory serves correctly, that's only because the DC hardly had a library to begin with compared to other consoles.
>The Dreamcast is generally considered a failure.
>The Dreamcast's NTSC-J library has about as many games as the N64 and GameCube combined.
How is this possible?
Did anyone else play Dark Savior on the Saturn?
It was a mash up of platforming, fighting and puzzles and had about half a dozen alternate storylines to play through depending on what you did in the first stage of the game.
I didn't even know of it, nor the Saturn when they launched. I literally did not know what Sega was until they stopped making consoles and I saw my uncle play a Master system for the first time.
I'm pretty sure they could have done multiple disc releases, Skies of Arcadia came on two discs and Shenmue came with three discs (four if you count the bonus disc).
There were rumors of a planned DVD drive expansion for the Dreamcast, but that never saw the light of the day.
you couldn't do returns for a couple years because MS was adamant that the red ring was a result of using a mod chip on your system and voiding the warranty.
They wouldn't take responsibility until one of their handpicked systems went RROD on the floor at E3
Uncharted 2 was quite impressive too even if the mustard race was busy shitting all over it. That was a much faster paced game than TLoU and the levels had a lot of changes going on with it.
I'd definitely say Naughty Dog was the only developer to take full advantage of the ps3.
Also Killzone 2
They had Metal Gear Solid, Gran Turismo 2, and Tekken (I forgot which version).
They also had a PC version of Bleem where you can insert PS1 discs into your PC and play them through an emulator, it was buggy but great at the time.
somewhere around 150 games were "Bleemed", but it's kind of hard to find many of them and several are buggy as hell
here's a list of some:
But literally all of the people who remember the Dreamcast are currently in this thread.
But they fixed the RRoD.
And by fixed I mean changed the design to indicate errors using a yellow light or some shit.
I remember baking my 360 in the oven and thinking, "MGS4 just came out on the ps3, why do I own this POS again?" Sold that shit when I got it working and never looked back.
And by never looked back I mean I bought a 360 to play with my cousins in 2012 and gave it to my casual brother-in-law who loves it.
I'm an idort, what can I say?
>I remember baking my 360 in the oven and thinking
I remember baking my 360 with the towel trick to get it to work again, but I never had it so dead to the point where I had to shove the thing into the oven and bake it until it worked.
pretty much identical to the problem Nvidia had several generations ago that caused so many laptops and desktop gpus to fail: they used cheap solder that would crack after so many heating up and cooling down cycles and you could "reflow" (ie remelt) the solder temporarily by putting the GPU or Xbox into an oven for a while. it would eventually break again and after a while there just wouldnt be enough solder left in the right spots to make a connection.
One way to fix the 360's RRoD was to literally bake it in the oven. Most people just wrapped a towel around their 360 and let it run.
It had something to do with the 360 overheating and melting the solder on the chip.
You didn't know about this? I'll see if I can find a video of it
I'm not going to call you new but I'll heavily imply it.
So many amazing times playing Dreamcast. The online options were awesome, Unreal Tournament, PSO, Alien Front Online. For the first time you could play with more than 4 people. Hell I remember playing PSO you could swap to the JP or euro servers and play with people across the world. I'm pretty sure the two people I played PSO most with were from the ghettos of Detroit but it didn't matter.
I'm not going to call you new but I'll heavily imply it.
I didn't buy a console from that generation for many years after they were out. When I got my 360 it was the shiny slim.
Oh fuck i forgot sega bass fishing with the controller
oh fuck i forgot bangai-O
oh fuck i forgot typing of the dead
oh fuck i forgot SF3 3rd strike
oh fuck i forgot illbleed
oh fuck i forgot shenmue
etc etc etc
gonna play some dreamcast tonight.
In some RROD cases, it was possible to fix it by reheating the the partially disconnected solder inside the system by intentionally overheating it (wrapping it in towels while it's on or baking it in the oven until the solder reheats itself).
This trick is not a permanent fix though, as your 360 will go back to being RROD status in about a few hours or days.
This game was so damn trippy to play on Dreamcast
>You could talk to the fish with the microphone
>They would talk back to you
I got the point where the fish grow up to be frogs, that shit blew my mind.
the graphics were so far ahead of anything else.
my cousin had it launch day. That fucking boxing game was BEAUTIFUL.
the commercials fired me up.
I remember powerstone was amazing. PSO was my first MMO. I mean, the DC had a built in MODEM??
God this system was advanced.
didn't it bridge the gap between PSX and PS2?
>mfw when dreamcast has once again stopped reading discs
how much longer can i keep adjusting the laser before it just doesn't work anymore?
Using burned CDs is usually worse for the laser. Lower drive speed means reading takes longer so more strain on the laser, and the repacks often mean that data isn't distributed across the disc neatly which means a lot of extra work for the motor.
that's probably because the almost the entirety of the dreamcast's library was arcade ports and dreamcast originals that mimicked arcade games. seeing as how the interest in arcade styled games pretty much started dying around the same time the dreamcast was released, it was a bad move
If I can recall, having the Dreamcast laser read data off the burned CD's caused more strain than reading straight from GD-R's because of the way the data is partitioned on the disc, also certain CD-R brands put even more strain on the laser due to the quality of the discs (usually shit quality discs you buy from radioshack or the dollar store).
I got it on launch day.
My parents were getting divorced, my dad knew I was checking out the dreamcast stuff a lot in gaming magazines, but I wasn't expecting to get one due to money issues.
Launch day comes, I didn't even know it was launch day, he tells me we are going to best buy. We walked right in, middle of the afternoon, dreamcasts are right there available. We grab one and sonic adventure.
Come home find I need a memory card, don't give a shit, too expensive. I restarted and played through most of sonic adventure about 8 times before I got a memory card.
I fucking love this thing. Our local stores didn't carry dreamcast games for shit, but I still loved it.
yeah. its worse with games that eat up a lot of memory or each save requires a separate file. I used to have toy story 2 for the DC and each save was saved separate rather than overwriting the current save.
what site you getting them from? I checked ebay and they're selling them for 8-14 bucks. now, the quality of the cards, I have no clue. so be careful before buying a third party card.
I came late to the PSP party, I managed to get Micro SD card adaptors for dirt cheap.
It's hard to understate how drastic an impact the cheaping of flash memory had on the PSP.
We're talking about when the Dreamcast was relevant.
while we're talking about emulation, the dreamcast itself was pretty good at emulating other consoles. My dad came home one day with an snes emulator that had a lot of games on it. A lot of the SNES games I love I found from this. It was a bit slow compared to the real thing, but its tolerable and I never noticed till years later when I started playing with a real SNES.
I did. I got it, went home, played sonic and power stone, then turned it off and went to sleep. It's not that it was bad, I just didn't really get sucked in. Now, a few months after that when seventh cross evolution came out, I played for a good 20 hours straight. It reminded me so much of what EVO would have been like in 3D. It's truly one of the best games on the dreamcast, but I almost never see it mentioned anywhere.
shit, that's right! i posted about Bleemcast! above but forgot about all of the awesome homebrew emus!
i remember playing through the not-quite-finished english fan translation of Seiken Densetsu 3 on DreamSNES
I still have my SNES and Mega Drive discs around somewhere. I actually ended up selling my MD because it was emulated well. Something I now regret of course.
>tow this thread got me listening to the Sonic 3 end credits song for the first time years
Fuck MJ's collaborators so based.
I bought one when I saw Soul Calibur in action.
most people didn't have a burner back then, shit was expensive as it was new tech back then. also ditto with net connection, most people had 56k and if you weren't alive to remember it, be fucking thankful.
hell, i have no idea how the hell i played Quake 1 over the net in 96 with even slower speeds.
i think neighborhood had at least one kid with a burner that you could get to burn you games. i knew a kid that had a dual CD burner setup so he could clone discs really easily and he bought his first (crappy) car by selling games and CDs. he never downloaded anything himself, he was just part of a group of dudes who would swap and trade pirated shit. that exact same thing has been happening since at least the cassette/VHS era.
with the exception of a few titles, not that bad?
its shit like power stone 2, cannon spike and PJ 2 that are expensive and even complete none of them are more than 80-90 at best.
i don't even think there is one US released game that is now over 100 bucks, though i could be wrong with PJ2 or CS.
Yeah, my fucking jew of a friend made a bet with me that he could play a PS1 game in his Dreamcast. I had no idea what emulation or whatever the black magic he worked at his computer did, so I took the bet and that rat nosed jew just took my $20 with his dumb big nosed shit eating grin, that god damned asshole.
In my middle school, back when the PSX was the big thing and burners were really expensive, people that had them had lists for burned games and how much you had to pay for them. With discounts if you had the original game/a virgin CD-R.
wasnt 600, exclusives werent really a reason back when
also tokyo exteme racer was the shit
and soul calibur
I'm waiting on getting some money in and then I plan on getting one now off ebay.
This console should never have failed, but SEGA got screwed by Sony and Microsoft in terms of support. Fuck man, the Dreamcast's potential was huge.