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When did you realize paper mario was a dead franchise, /v/?
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sticker star came into existence
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When Super Paper Mario was revealed to be a weak platformer with lazily implemented "RPG" mechanics and the majority of the new characters were literally shapes.
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Would a petition even reach their offices?
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I realized it long ago, but I refused to admit it until the 10th anniversary of TTYD.
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It's like they spent 5$ on new assets for Super Paper Mario.
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>>283592978
this and when this was fake
http://fantendo.wikia.com/wiki/Paper_Mario:_Countdown_to_Chaos#Mario.27s_Partners
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After seeing SPM's sprite designs.
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>>283592593
I'm confident that the disaster that was SPM is what inspired Miyamoto to reign in IS and tell them to use Mario characters. I could not give less of a fuck about the love life of a butterfly made out of rainbow-coloured triangles.
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>>283593195
why'd they make Mario so short and angry looking anyway
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SPM.
Laziest piece of shit I ever played with the most blatant padding. Sticker Star was bad, but they at least put effort into animating the characters. In a fucking paper world.
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Sticker Star was too obvious with the Paper aesthetic.
HEY GUYS STICKERS AND SCIZZORS AND GLUE ISNT IT NEAT
At least in the origianl it was just a part of life and TTYD was ceatve with it
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>>283593637
>HAHA WHOA MARIO I'M SO CRUMPLED
>STAPLED, CAN'T MOVE
>WATER IS PAPER'S ENEMY
But to be fair, the paper aesthetic looks great in it.
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When /v/ started praising TTYD as a meme.
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>replaying PM2 on Dolphin
>get to Boggly Woods
>get to glitch where I can't let the old guy out of his cage and let the other things out
>stop playing for a while
>come back
>save data gone
Feels bad man ;_;
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What we need is something that goes back to the Cardboard roots
>>283593784
Eveything was a spiffy Im not gunna lie

ALSO
fucking partners. I want them back.

>>283593802
It's just as good as the original m8
>>283593852
Game gets so much better past that fucking level I'm sorry bro you missed out.
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literally whats poppin
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>>283593637
My nigga. That was one of my main beefs with Sticker Star. I hated the way it looked with everything being made of paper and cardboard.
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I'll give you a big hint.
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>>283593852
Play it again. You need to experience RAWK HAWK
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>>283594314
I miss goomba partners.
I miss partners.
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>>283594328
BUT I HAVE TO RE-DO THE ENTIRE FIRST LEVEL
I ALREADY DID THAT ONCE
A DECADE AGO
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>>283592452
>When did you realize paper mario was a dead franchise, /v/?

when Sticker Star ruined everything
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>>283594514
>when Super Paper Mario ruined everything
FTFY
Sticker Star was digging up the corpse to piss on it
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>>283592452
When they veered away from the formula of the first two games.
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>>283594165
They emphasized it too much. especially with that Thing shop bullshit.
The graphic mod for the origianl looks pretty good though.
>>283594314
What would the new tip partner be in a new game anyway?
>>283594328
Glitz Pit a best chapter.
>that tournament
>that corruption
>those senaky moments
>fucking cake
and best of all RAWK HAWK
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>>283594508
It's honestly not that bad. the gameplay is pretty solid. It's worth it anyway. GlitzPit is chapter 3.
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>Let's make this RPG series into a platformer!
>Let's replace unique species with blocks!
>Let's make the writing fanfiction-tier!
>Let's follow this game that BARELY has RPG elements with another that removes even more!
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>>283594687
Thing Shop? Is that where you buy scissors and fans to use fighting enemies? I've only seeing gameplay of SS and I remember Mario using scissors and shit.
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when I read in an issue of Nintendo Power that Super Paper Mario wasn't going to be an RPG
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>>283594616
SPM wasn't that bad
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>>283592950
If you think that online petitions work you haven't been on the internet long enough.
Signed, a jaded Earthbound fan.
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You dont know that

1 bad game /=/ dead

you guys are worse than Metroid fags

Just because you didnt have a game in 2 fucking years doesnt mean it's dead
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>>283595275
It wasn't that good either.
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>>283595398
A game that was almost good is a good sign and a bad sign.
It means the people making it were perfectly capable of doing it. It also means there was a reason it pulled a u turn and that reason will probably show up again seeing as the ratings aren't too bad on it.
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>>283595398
good thing there's 2 bad games, or you'd have a point
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How much hope is there that there will one day be a Paper Mario that returns to and, dare I say it, builds on the original format of the first two?
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When I heard the third game wasn't going to be an RPG.
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>>283595398

there hasn't been a good paper mario game for over 10 years.
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>>283593138
>They have two lines when they are introduced and that's it
Pointless and tedious. Would should have been in 3D and pixls should have been the transformations from the first games.
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>>283593637
Yeah, I've got to agree with this. Even though TTYD is my favorite game, I think 64 handled it the best.
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>>283595398
>1 bad game /=/ dead
I'm pretty sue there were two good ones followed by two bad ones.
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>>283595685
World*
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>>283595532
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>>283595275
What? No, SPM was really really bad. Gameplay and moving around was sluggish, and half of the zones were filler until the next cutscene.
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>>283595685
I don't know why they bothered giving the pixels any personality during their intro so that they never speak again. I realized that it's because Tippi does most of the talking, but surely they could of written up a few more lines for them to make them more three dimensional.

Still, I guess there's enough dialogue as it is
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>>283596061
>chain chomp partner
fuck man don't remind me
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Smash 64 = Paper Mario
Melee = TTYD
Brawl = Super Paper Mario
Smash 4 = Sticker Star
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At least M&L is still alive, and while there've been gimmicks, they never consumed a whole game.

I just wish that they'd stop shoving tutorials everywhere.
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>>283596227

>half of the zones were filler until the next cutscene

This is Chapter 4 so much.
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>>283596332
So what you're saying is that Paper Mario aged poorly, but is charming, TTYD is overrated and its fans are incredibly immature, Super Paper Mario is unfairly hated and offered the most content, and only TTYD fans hate Sticker Star.
Those are all completely wrong.
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>>283596332

You insult Smash 4, anon.
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>>283596332
>the gamecube versions are the best and are still enjoyable

Gamecube always wins baby
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>>283596332
Prime = Paper Mario
Echoes = TTYD
Corruption = Super Paper Mario
Other M = Sticker Star
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>>283596274
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>>283596506
I actually like how the Mario & Luigi series keep changing the format a little with every game. Keeps things fresh.

The tutorials are hell though, especially when you're playing through the game again.
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>>283596929
DON'T YOU MAKE ME CRY, YOU FAGGOT
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>>283596332
I enjoy Brawl because of the larger cast than melee and some that didn't make it to Smash 4. If I was able to enjoy SPM with different characters, maybe it would be enjoyable, but no, I have to switch to Mario every other screen to gain access to some incredibly obvious door or enemy. You spend so much more time than you should flipping through some stupid menu. It drives me nuts.
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>>283596929
stahp, I can't
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>>283596332
>seriously implying SPM had some good in it
No.
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>>283596332
Demons Souls = PM
Dark Souls = TTYD
Dark Souls 2 = SPM
Bloodborne = SS
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Well Earthbound got a fangame I don't see why PM can't.
We'll see HalfLife 3 before a new PM game gets released.
Maybe we should try and make our own.
/a/ made a fucking anime and /lit/ made a novel
It's time that /v/ stepped up and made a game.
We already have an good engine started.
We have some animation work underway.
As well as plot and mechanics covered.
We're trying to avoid "idea" guys in general but will happily accept some help if you have some skill. don't need to be pro but some art and music guys would be very appreciated
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>>283595014

>Implying SS is a sequel
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>>283597269
>implying I stated it's a sequel
That's two posts with stupid assumptions, tripfag.
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Super paper mario is actually pretty good and the only thing is that everyone hates it because it is too vastly different and it went for a completely different gameplay style than the previous games.
If is didn't have paper mario in the title none of you fucks would be calling it bad
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Can you hear the music in your head?
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>>283597210
But the /v/ community sucks and making a game is far more work than animation and a story or a story alone.
Questy's making that Mario RPG game on here but I doubt it'll go very far without Questy leaving for /vg/.
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>>283597210
yes
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>>283597349
>Super paper mario is actually pretty good
>clunky platformer that moves at a snail's pace
>awful aesthetic
>pointless RPG elements
>pathetic difficulty
>garbage writing
>cliche-ridden plot
>half assed sprite editing
>forgettable soundtrack
>weakest enemy design in the entire series
>the most amount of forced backtracking yet
>flipping to 3D shows how truly empty and soulless the game is
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>>283596332
Ocarina of Time = Paper Mario
Wind Waker = TTYD
Twilight Princess = Super Paper Mario
Link Between Worlds = Sticker Star
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>>283597378
what even happens if you try and fight him before the heart?
>>283597523
Dosen't mean we can't try. Nothing everyone here is a autistic shitposter.
We already have an engine and that's usually what kills most projects.
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>>283597349
It's Kirby's Epic Yarn with no charm or fun, easier combat, and wayyy too much talking. And no co-op
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>>283597349
It like taking a game such as FF7 and making a third person shooter out of the setting.

Nothing ever bad would happen there.
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>>283597738
>what even happens if you try and fight him before the heart?
You can't damage him and regular battle music plays. You can flee.
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>>283597738
On the contrary the art assets are what kill most projects.
Project Hate Machine had the modified game maker engine and all but it didn't get very far.
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>>283597646
>forgettable soundtrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvmfyJw1IOU

Some nice dialogues here and there too.
You are more or less right about the rest though.
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>>283597349
Super Paper Mario was the first game in the series that I played. I found it incredibly boring and a mess of poorly executed ideas.
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>>283597663
Oh, no, this is some good bait, man.
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>>283597210
I got a Google Doc here for you guys that are interested.
It shows our progress and what were currently working on.
We're trying to lead by example. This is the best hope we have for a decent PM game.
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>>283597663
>people still genuinely, unironically think wind waker is a good game
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>>283598027
Can't leave out this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cnbOpRPBK4
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>>283598027
I don't remember any of the music except when certain characters were talking because I was either bored or the fights were incredibly short.

It's the worst formula out there.
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>>283597663
>TTYD is overrated
>WW is overrated

The perfect match.
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>>283598062
>>283598193

Oh, sorry. I thought we were just listing games together
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So, what's the better series?
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The writing in Super Paper Mario was pretty good though. Is /v/ just hating on something because were bored again?
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>>283598381
Partners in Time was the first one I played and it's just as good as the rest. Haven't played Dream Team yet, though.
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>>283592452
>When did you realize paper mario was a dead franchise, /v/?

February 5, 2001
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>>283598381
M&L. The battle mechanics have more layers to it.
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>>283597646
>cliche-ridden plot
While it's completely okay to argue this, I sincerely hope you're not arguing it within a series where that's true of, for all intents and purposes, every single game.
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>>283598381
M&L is consistently good, but the first two PM games blow the whole series out of the water. M&L=quantity, PM=quality.
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>>283597663
>an entertaining, albeit outdated experience
>a game that while good, still has glaring faults and isn't as perfect as the fans make it out to be
>an over hyped entry that turned out to be garbage
>a shitty last minute nostalgia cash in
Yeah, that's about right.
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>>283598206
Well you can't tie your points together like this if the music itself is good.
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>>283598623
No PM game is better than Superstar Saga, though.
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When it was obvious Miyamoto didnt like it
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>started doing concept art for our own Paper Mario game
>got lazy and watched the project fall apart around me because depression

I'm so sorry /v/
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>>283598659
It's still forgettable. I'm not that first guy.
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>>283598635
How is Sticker Star a "nostalgia cash in"?
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>>283598381
superstar saga cuz the gba is arguably the best gaming platform ever
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>>283598874
>Paper Mario
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>>283598772

Wow! You made it all the way to CONCEPT ART?

Relax man, you got nowhere. Games are huge projects.
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>>283598772
If it makes you feel any better, concept art is barely even a project.
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>>283597523
Actually with the amount of writing and art assets a full-size Paper Mario game would require is monumental- designing a working battle system and such is trivial in comparison
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>>283597210

We need to ask /tg/ to help us with this. I think they'll be sympathetic.
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>>283599156
Oh come on, you hardly have to animate anyone frame by frame, most of it is tweening.
I've talked to programmers and they've all told me making a 3D engine is a complete whore to do.
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>>283595208
I remeber dying inside reading that
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>>283598381
I was surprisingly disappointed with BiS for the 2D platforming, which carried over 100% into Dream Team, which I loved for my first playthrough but now strongly dislike for its insane, insulting tutorials and excruciatingly stupid minigame combat.

I haven't played PiT in years, so I can't really comment on that one.

I personally think that SS is the only one that holds up to PM or TTYD besides maybe PiT. I think that BiS is probably objectively just as good, though, and I certainly do enjoy it on a lot of levels.
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>>283597210
Maybe you should get a good writer first so you don't get things like "MUSTARD OF DOOM" "KING OF GUYS WHO TALK TO POSTERS" "NYARGLEBARGLE" or another character like Count Bleck
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>>283597210
>/a/ made a fucking anime

They did?
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>>283598976
>>283599048
Well, it was more like... several properly layered characters and a working replica of the 2D tweening animation system

>>283599471
We actually had all that shit done, fuck you could probably actually make the game with what we had finished, but the sheer fucking... god, there was SO MUCH art to do, and I'm a shitty neet who's whole motivation for living consists of being able to sustain an erection long enough to scribble something on my tablet
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>tfw only Paper Mario played was TTYD
>feels pretty good

Lost my decade old data so I'm considering either replaying it, buying PM64, or starting one of the Operation Rainfall games that isn't Xenoblade.
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>>283598381
M&L has 2 amazing games and 2 good games.
Paper Mario has 2 great games and 2 bad games.
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>>283599471
hey, programmer for said fan project here
i have the engine 99% finished, just need to make a level creator for the level designers to use and then my work is almost done.
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>>283599772
Have you considered viagra?
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>>283595609

What is this image trying to show?

SPM had 10/10 animation
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>>283595398
Two bad games with no signs of changing back to the things that people actually liked means it's dead, yeah.
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>>283592593
Pretty much this. Even if I enjoyed the writing in that game, it wasn't very fun to play.
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>>283596332
Here's a real list
PM = Banjo Kazooie
TTYD = Banjo Tooie
SPM = Nuts & Bolts

and we don't talk about stickerstar since it doesn't exist.
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>>283599739
/a/ pretty much funded LWA
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>>283599916
I have actually, especially considering I started pushing rope during my first sexual encounter last weekend

fucking celexa
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TTYD is good and all

but whats this fuckers name again
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>>283600028
Sticker Star can be Grunty's Revenge.
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>>283600098
Doolis
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>>283600098
DooPliss
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>>283600028
PM = Banjo Kazooie
TTYD = Banjo Tooie
SPM = Banjo-Kazooie Grunty's Revenge
SS = Nuts & Bolts
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>>283599860
They're offering it in Club Nintendo right now, like 250 coins.
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>>283598381
Paper Mario, 64 and TTYD are simply way too good, the only M&L game that comes close is Superstar Saga.

While the M&L RPGs havent had a bad game and have been steady unlike the PM series, 64 and TTYD are just way too good
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>>283595609
What is that pic supposed to show?
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Anyone else love the fuck out of Super Paper Mario?

It's probably my second favorite Paper Mario. Nothing, absolutely nothing can beat Thousand Year Door.
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>>283600098
cuntface
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Why not get the original development team to work on a "Spiritual Successor"? I think that strategy has been catching on.
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>>283600404
Eh, I liked the music and design but I didn't want another Mario platformer.
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>>283600404
Let me guess, you "love the fuck out of it" because pic related is your waifu.
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>>283600098
Freak-in-a-Sheet
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>>283600098
Hold on, gotta run all the way to cree_y stee_le and get that damned '_'.
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>>283600404

It was shit and playing it makes me angry
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>>283600404
20 minutes of dialog between a 10 minute barely challenging platforming segment that is extremely drawn out because Mario is fucking SLOW
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>>283600404
I liked SPM the same way I liked Nuts & Bolts, I knew about everything that was changed in the game before going into it and I expected a different game than the ones I loved, and I didn't buy it day one.

I luckily wasn't there when people were being promised Banjo Threeie and got Nuts & Bolts, but I legitimately enjoyed the game.

Same with SPM, but I understand why everyone else is so pissed off.
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>>283600404
What exactly did you love about it? The gameplay was dull, the dialogue was a joke, and the pacing was awful.
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>>283600404
>Changing a perfect RPG series into a shitty platformer

No

No

NO
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>>283600404
>not a good platformer
>not a good RPG
>not a good book
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>>283600608

No, but I knew it would get attention.
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>>283600098
It was Reddit__
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>>283593183
why do you guys keep bringing this shit up, countdown to chaos is fucking garbage
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>>283601207
has better writing than spm
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>>283600098

Wreck-it Ralph.
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>>283600243

Nuts & Bolts although completely different from the rest of the series was actually a good game on its own.
Sticker Star wasnt.
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>>283600404
The only thing good about it was Peach and the dating sim part with Peach
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>>283593637
This is honestly the dumbest fucking criticism against Sticker Star.

There are a million issues with the game, it's an absolute gold mine of bad decisions, and you guys pick the fucking emphasis on paper?

It's just you attributing the other bad design decisions of the game to a completely unrelated aspect of it. If SS was as good as TTYD, shoot, half as good as TTYD, but still kept the emphasis on paper, nobody would give a fuck.
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>>283601676

No fuck you it's shit
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>>283601676
I ususally get this retort whenever I mention the lack of fucking partners
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SPM didn't do it since there was still a possibility they'd make a proper PM one day. SS killed whatever hope remained.
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>>283601462
>actually a good game on its own
>repetitive, recycled missions and reused characters
>constant filler
>levels are sparse and empty
>the gameplay styles it attempts to mix end up average instead of bringing out the best of them
SPM is the Nuts & Bolts of Paper Mario
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>>283592452
Started suspecting it when Super Paper Mario came out and fully realised it when Sticker Star came out. This series is a great example of why "innovating" just for the sake of it is not a good thing.
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>>283602665
>This series is a great example of why "innovating" just for the sake of it is not a good thing.

Which is emblematic of the problem with Nintendo today. A game can't just be a game, it has to "innovate." Hardware can't just be hardware, it has to "innovate."
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>>283602572
I actually liked the levels in Nuts & Bolts.
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>>283602785
>problem with Nintendo today
This isn't new. Nintendo has always tried to innovate. Sometimes it turns out good, sometimes not, usually it's both. But this definitely isn't something new.
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>>283602572

>levels are sparse and empty

ITS A FUCKING DRIVING GAME

I swear you dipshits just wanted to hate nuts and bolts
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>>283602965
It just seems so much worse now, particularly with the 3DS and the Wii U. You can't just have a more powerful DS to succeed the DS, you have to give it a 3D gimmick that adds very little yet takes up an enormous amount of R&D money and system power. You can't just have a reasonably powerful console to succeed the Wii so that games like Bayonetta and W101 and the Xenoblade sequel can run at a fucking stable framerate while looking good, you NEED another gimmick controller that again sucks up R&D money that could've been spent beefing the console up.
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>>283603154
>ITS A FUCKING DRIVING GAME
Yeah, that's why LogBox was a cramped vertical tower that still focused more on simple driving at the bottom than flying to the top or why the Terrarium of Terror, despite having so many twists and turns in the environment/landscape, was nearly pure aerial missions.
Face it, they didn't know what they were doing.
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>>283603154
>ITS A FUCKING DRIVING GAME
>half of the game is dropping off balls at a glowing circle, shooting another car, or escorting a thing
>driving through rings is one of the least common events
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>>283597210
I can do art.

But you'd better have more than one programmer. Nobody wants to waste their time on something that can be brought to a screeching halt by one person's misfortunes.
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>>283598381
I would say PM, but only slightly.
Superstar Saga is one of my favorite games ever, but PiT and DT are pretty bad and BiS is only decent.

PM Has the first 2 games being AMAZING, SPM only being disappointing but not horrible, and SS making me vomit

Legend of the Seven Stars in the best Mario RPG
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>>283605547
To clarify, I'm not trying to be an asshole about this, but having multiple people that can code is crucial. I know a bunch of guys that got completely obliterated during the Global Game Jam because they had one guy that could code and like seven artists and the guy jumped ship after they had spent half a day making assets. It's just something that's too important to gloss over.
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>>283605640
Legend of the Seven Stars on virtual console fucking when?
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>>283605547
Go put yourself on the google doc, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c8z9NkhTRVR0vEsRYnq1GshdkUoIa3nchet7tLR_Pw8/edit

there is three programmers currently so don't worry
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>>283606143
It's already there?
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>>283606221
For Wii U?
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>>283606394
Wii.
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>>283605547
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c8z9NkhTRVR0vEsRYnq1GshdkUoIa3nchet7tLR_Pw8/edit
Leave some contact info here if your interested in helping out. Were currently trying to fill all the jobs needed to actually get this thing of the ground. Right now we are working on cleaning up our engine and getting mechanics and partners situated until we have a solid crew to work on this.
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>>283606482
Well crap.
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>>283606721

a wii is only $40 anon
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>>283592452
When fans proclaimed its best game to be a rehash of the first game.

I don't get why people are so opposed to them trying something different than yet another RPG. Sure, both their attempts were lackluster as all hell, but it's better than yet another retread.
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>>283607469
>not running all that shit on a homebrew emulator on the wii, for free
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>>283607469

I know. I'm just a lazy smug lamenting about having to go get one to play Mario RPG.
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>>283607629
>two bad but original games are better than two unoriginal but otherwise good games
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>>283607774

>implying my wii isn't softmodded

wads Anon
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>>283609674
Switch Bobbery and Goombario and you have the definitive edition. but so far that list is pretty solid.
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>>283609674
>posting the same shitty list you post in every other PM thread
fuck off already
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