>go to /v/
>see all the rightful criticism of The Order charging full price for a 5 hour game
>check other sites
>they are actually defending and supporting short games
What the actual fuck is going on? I don't mind if a game is short if it is priced to reflect the shortness but this shit is insane.
Its almost like all of the people in vidya journalism are paid mouthpieces for publishers and devs.
But that can't be right because there are so few strong women in games, right? Isn't that what GG was about?
They know exactly what the public opinion is and then make an article attacking it so people explode and go nuts on it and give them tons of clicks.
Just ignore it because they're retarded
>Go to other websites
>they have a vested interest in not stepping on toes
>spin obvious negative points as positives
>call people sane enough to not buy this bullshit children or uncultured baboons or what the fuck ever to discredit them
>make advertising shekels
>go home and cry
>try to commit suicide again
>fail, then go to sleep
don't be such a fucking entitled child, leave game reviews to the professionals like the guy I just described.
It's inflammatory clickbait. They're trying to make you angry.
Just... just ignore it. Until people start expounding that in the actual companies that make games, it's not going to affect anything.
So is this the next big thing? Mainstream sites trying to push the idea that short full priced games are okay so devs can pad their profits by charging full price for less content?
The perfect length for a videogame is about 90 minutes. And that should be all cutscenes, there's really no need to have any buttons to press to advance the story. i don't want to have to do the action bits, I would prefer to just watch them being acted out instead. And instead of releasing it for a console, they could play it in the cinema instead so me and my partner can make a night out of it and watch it on a big screen.
He owns his own house, has several cars, several kids that go to private school, goes on multiple vacations each year. I don't get it. Maybe his wife is a doctor or something.
As long as people still get angry at them.
There might be some sort of blowout where they're finally considered on the same level as tabloids, but until then opinion pieces will always work for clicks.
People who don't like video games don't want long games with lots of gameplay, they want short games that they can invest barely any time into in order to complete so that they can discuss it with their other friends who don't actually enjoy video games but pretend that they do.
Are you really surprised? Check this interview from a few months ago with The Order's creative Director. Pic Related
>MFW this is the industry now
>Wishing I was back in the mid-nineties
Why can't we have good vidya anymore?
I think there's a place for everything. Sometimes i want a long experience, with the original Deus Ex for instance, which i put about 40 hours in, when i finally stopped playing it i felt bad, i was so used to the universe and the characters, and now they were gone from my routine.
And sometimes i just want a short game to distract me, like Binary Domain, or any other indie game that is clogging my library.
Of course, i didn't paid 60 dollars for BD, nor would i for those indie games.
I don't mind shorter games, but I'd like if the prices reflected the content. 60 dollars being consistent across the board makes little sense given the vast disparity between playtime available to people through different titles. I don't mind paying full price for Skyrim, AC, Dark Souls, or something else which promises lots of main and side content. But The Order, and games similar to it, shouldn't be more than 40 at most.
I remember the PS2 had games like this. It was so satisfying picking up a new Ratchet or Jak game for 40 dollars, knowing you were getting a better game than its neighbors on the shelf, and for 10 dollars less.
>some alt history steam punk magic electric shit with tesla and werewvoles
>we wanna make a movie
>Ben " Going full-cuck on the nignog truck " Kuchera
>Ben " Sharing my wife, that is my life " Kuchera
What did you expect ?
the order's sex scene
>game reviewers who get their games for free and have to play tons of them to get paid don't care about how long a game is
This. I've completely given up on western games. Say what you want about moeshit or whatever, but at least japan can still make fun games (mostly) without a buttfucking of DLC
Let's be honest with ourselves for a minute, /v/. This is, what I'm guessing, the industry would like. Movies are inclusive, and the amount of time it takes to produce and QA a 2-3 hour game versus a 30-40 hour game is probably much lower. From a business standpoint, they're probably looking at it as time they could spend making/producing multiple 2-3 hour games in the same time span, all while courting more of the mainstream audience. It's all absolutely disgusting and cancerous, but I can honestly see the writing of the wall. The only way to combat this shit realistically is to not buy those products, and be extremely vocal about why you're not. Finances speak louder than anything to investors and stockholders. If gamers turn their noses up to this shit, they'll stop doing it. Same deal with Evolve. It's already happening in the music industry, with album sales being bottom tier in 2014, with only Taylor Swift having a platinum album last year. We need to do the same to the game companies.
>guy posts controversial opinion so people will click on it and he'll get money
>WHY IS HE BEING CONTROVERSIAL
Why is /v/, home of endless bait and trolling, unable to comprehend baiting for a living?
>gaming journalists defending the hands that feed them
And you're surprised why?
Who cares about their shit anyway? Pretty much everyone realized that they need to talk shit like this to get as much views as possible and stay relevant. Seriously, every single post or thought piece that was actually worth reading came from communities. Be it Gaf, Reddit or 4chan. Those journos NEVER EVER said anything of relevance.
The Order guys must've shoveled out a lot of money with their marketing team.
As for me, I don't care how long or how short the game is. I care how enjoyable it is per hour, so to speak. From there, I would judge if it is worth my money.
This website should be banned. You all know these people suck the dick of anyone that will give them money. They don't give a shit about video games.
Like if this is anything new. People don't even realize that there are a whole lot of old games that were short. You can beat metal gear solid in 3 hours or less if you aren't mentally retarded.
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Yeah apart from a few good studios like Retro and Wayforward the Western industry is filled with cinematic cashgrabs and shitty "retro" indie games.
The sjw bullshit and "journalism" are largely ingored by the Nips too thankfully.
I fucking hate modern vidya journalism, especially Ben Kuchera
>We hated Donte
>They called us entitled
>We hated DLC
>They defended DLC
>We hated getting broken games
>They defended them
>We hated being told we're mysoginists for enjoying Bayonetta 2
>They called us terrorists
>We hate that a 5 hour game is $60
>They call us entitled
Why are we even acknowledging this faggot
I usually hate people who go "I don't need to play it to know it's shit", but honestly, it's absurdly easy to tell it isn't fun by just watching the playthrough. The majority of it is just cutscene, QTE, or slow controlled walk through a hallway while talking, with occasional generic cover shooting.
>Immediately cry about dlc
>not actual core problems with games
Jesus it's fags like you that make sure literally nothing nice ever happens
Why not use their own logic against them?
Call them classist for supporting such high barriers to entry. If they want gaming to be inclusive then why do they to charge $60 for a 5-6 experience when films can do <$15 for 3 hour experiences. Accuse them of shutting people out just to accommodate their own personal tastes and lifestyles etc.
Then maybe it's time to move on to something for your shitty attention span, like movies. Nobody has to cater to you specifically, and if you don't like epic RPGs, instead of whining about the amount of content, fuck off and stop playing them, and stick to something more in tune with your attention span, you nob.
literallydon't care about anything posted by guys like this and neither should you. The thread's just gonna be circlejerking about how stupid he is while simultaneously getting him more attention.
I never got the whole equating game length to price concept.
Some of the best games ever made are short as FUCK.
Most of the time, people use game length as a general metric for the amount of content in a game, but game length has nothing to do with how much content is in a game. You could have a JRPG with 5 hours of content but 35 hours of grinding. Is that game worth a full 60? Probably not.
I'm not saying Order 1886 is a good game, there are TONS of problems with it, of which the length is probably number 997 on the thousand-item list.
Just, if you're going to shit on a game, even rightfully, there are so many other ways to go about it that aren't as easily deflected or argued against as game length.
Am I the only person on /v/ who enjoyed the game?
I like all types of games, and feeling one as unique as this was pretty cool. It could've been longer though. Wouldn't recommend it at full price, maybe $30.
Then again, I bought Drakengard 3 at full price and fucking loved it
>another e-celeb thread
>lets discuss this "important" man's opnion
>we tmz now
>its only ok if you pretend not to like it
in media business, even if you talk negatively about some people, that still gives them relevance to remain famous
when will you fags understand that following and repeating what this man says will only boost the reach of his messages ?
do you enjoy paying your internet to advertise for free ?
my god, daytime /v/ sure is a clusterfuck of pretentious underaged discussing "muh portant pnions"
Why does this idiot have a vested interest in defending The Order 1886? I thought he was an SJW?
A game with only white character and doesn't pander to SJWs shouldn't be defended by SJWs.
Oh, wait, now I know why. Because this piece of shit doesn't have any dignity and will just post anything he thinks will create controversy.
He needs a bullet to the brain.
Well then, we have our work cut out for us.
Paying $60 for five hours of game puts a foul taste in most people's mouths, especially if they're a poorfag and wasted three months of expendable money on this.
Five hours. Jesus.
i'm a lot more interested in this now that ben kuchara is defending it. that must mean it takes some emotional skill to play rather than the dumb timewasting button mashing designers usually produce to placate the children that need to be expunged from video games.
>writing anything but complete horseshit
The dude is worthless scum.
Welcome to the DmC "you just hate the white hair" bullshit.
For the most part, these people are not good at videogames. They are rather bad. A lot of them are in it for "the culture", a culture of their own making.
What they want is an experience that looks cool but doesn't really beget much depth. You press buttons, directionally, towards some goal but how or when you do them doesn't really matter.
If it antagonizes "traditional" gamers in some way, even better. The spite is quite real, anon.
No, bitch, you're the one who whined about not having time for 200 hour RPGs. I'm just the guy calling you out for your blatant faggotry.
Its really gotten to a point where they'll fight anything the gaming community says.
Llike, they're so desperately trying to "put gamers in their place" that they're turning into as large of a contrarion hivemind as /v/ is.
Shits unbelievable, how far can a human being go just to spite someone else?
Stop making this thread. Everyone here is aware. You didn't release it, neither did I. At this point all that's happening is hot air being blown up each other's asses.
Buy or don't buy. But shut up already.
>moot makes an anonymous board
>one of the highest ideals of the board is that people can say whatever they want, and they'll be judged on the content of their post not who they are
>neo 4chan does nothing but obsess over e-celebs and twitter screencaps
I miss this board being its own community instead of a place for reddit and twitter to come gossip
If it counts, the visuals are pretty damn slick, and the gameplay is there, even if it is often tainted by quicktime events
in any case, one the nintenfag shitstorm blows over, people will be able to discuss the game normally. this always happens with a major sony release. bloodborne'll probably be shat on the day before it comes out
>tfw nintenfags tried to shit on drakengard 3 but it was already shit
and thats what makes it good
>I watched like half of it
Your modern "gamer", ladies and gentleman.
>"I absolutely understand," he said. "To tell you the truth, that's something we always keep in our heads. We know people want to be entertained and have things they can play longer. But the industry has always had diversity. You go back 10 years, there were a lot of games that were just single-player, one time play. There were some games that were single-player and you could jump back in and get more. That's what we did in our game. You can jump back and get other things out of it.
>"Gameplay length for me is so relative to quality. It's just like a movie. Just because a movie is three hours long, it doesn't make it better."
ps4 owner here this makes me sick
I'd rather have a shorter game that's actually fun instead of filler filled snorefests that overstay there welcome by a long shot.
Only hikkineets that literally have nothing else to do bitch about games being too short
They showed their true faces six months ago. As much as the GG thing has dragged out, it's so apparent that sites like Kotaku and Polygon have nothing but contempt for their audience. They're desperately trying to create a new one because of it.
Journos exist to parrot whatever statements make the corporations they subsist off of more money.
Framerate and resolution are only relevant in two situations:
1: A new console generation is coming and better visuals are the only thing you can sell your console on. Sony, Microsoft and all the journos wouldn't shut up about how important framerate and resolution were until the new consoles actually came out and turned out to be shit.
2: You're re-releasing a game on a more powerful console less than a year later, it's a lazy re-release and the only thing you can sell it on is higher resolution and framerate. Framerate didn't matter for Uncharted or The Last of Us, but it mattered for The Last of Us Remastered and it will matter for the inevitable Uncharted Trilogy Remasterd. But it won't matter for Uncharted 4.
Likewise, as games become shorter and less interesting, journos decide to prioritize those "features" as the best gaming has to offer.
We already know thanks to GG and that Breitbart guy that journos collude together in a mailing list to work together to engineer narratives in the gaming industry.
>Sony makes up bullshit like how the PS4 was supposed to run games at 60 FPS on a 1080p resolution
>It isn't true
>Goes on and pays journos to shout how it doesn't matter, and how silky smooth 30 FPS is better.
>Sony lies once again about The Order
>Dials their lackeys once again.
You know this is money that could have gone into the game, I am under the impression they throw their gaming divisions a bone, and their retarded PR department handles everything, as they snort coke. I am going to rejoice when Sony goes Bankrupt, at this point it keeps on living because Disney paid Sony enough cash to recover Spider-man after the bastards kept the franchise hostage, that money will let Sony keep at it until 2022.
The worst part is that Ready (to close) at Dawn will get unbelievable amounts of shit for this.
Funny how Sony is starting to compete with EA for /v/ hatred.
>Earlier thread about him saying some dumb shit on twitter
>Now a thread about him saying dumb shit on Polygon
Why is this allowed?
>Yes, as are most normal people.
You knew that dozens of prominent gaming journalists were on a mailing list called GameJournoPros where they bully each other into agreeing to print the same articles at the same time across multiple publications with only minor differences?
and yet it still managed to be GOTY
people who shitpost on drakengard are either newfags or retards, as the turdiness is all apart of the formula
I get the feeling that social justice crusaders in gaming just have a predisposition to going against the status quo. If prevailing gamer culture says right, they say left. They want to feel as though they are always being advocates for change and spiting the majority view.
Literal cognitive dissonance. Show's where their priorities are though, the values of western civilization need to be destroyed. The instrument doesn't really matter so much when it comes down to it.
There's nothing wrong with short games. Short games are better than grindfest skinner boxes.
Full price? Well there's a cost benefit analysis there. Everybody has their own buy price for a game.
>my opinion is law
There are people who don't have a shit load of time to play vidya, why those people would pick a time consuming hobby is beyond me. I'l assume that that's an insignificant minority and he's just being hyperbolic.
Games media had always relied upon devs for pre release copies of games, interviews, exclusives, prizes, and most importantly advertising which is a massive conflict of interest. It's always been like that.
GG was just /pol/ and MRA's using muh ethics to harass women and SJW's.
>1: A new console generation is coming and better visuals are the only thing you can sell your console on. Sony, Microsoft and all the journos wouldn't shut up about how important framerate and resolution were until the new consoles actually came out and turned out to be shit.
>sessler then: next gen [email protected] is mandatory
>sessler now: i don't even like games
>How /pol/ can jerk off about conservative values and hate Islam in a single breath I'll never understand
Because islamic values are not my values and neither is extreme leftism or feminism.
>>my opinion is law
>I'm not going to side with companies over consumers
I have a ton of free time and somehow manage a good paying job on top of it, so I think I could do decently well if I weren't lazy as shit and terrified of whoring myself out so I can get a decent fanbase.
The AAA videogame industry has be filled up with nothing but failed movie writers/directors that couldn't make it in the film industry. So they take their failed projects and make "videogames" out of them
This more or less confirms that, apart from a few companies loyal to their customers and a few niche franchises, most good games are made by the users as mods.
Which is also why many new games have limited modability, to limit their competition.
Who wants to be charged full price for some bullshit when you can get a user made game for free?
There's no interactivity in the actual GAME, sonyshills.
It's half cutscenes, a quarter cutscenes with QTEs, 20% walking around cinematically, and 10% of the most snore worthy TPS cover shooting battles where enemies never leave cover.
Oh, and there's zero music (srs) and the story takes itself WAYYYY too seriously for it to be about half breed werewolves.
It is seriously the saddest attempt at a "game" in quite awhile.
If you're shilling for this shlock FOR FREE, re-evaluate your taste and your life.
Large parts of /pol/ sympathise with ISIS. It's mostly the bluepilled liberals turned republicans that are against them. The other half of /pol/ suspects ISIS being an israeli proxy to destabilize the region and that's why they got problems with them.
And there's the whole fact about mudslime culture being inferior to western culture and I'm not talking about the kind of western "culture" we got at the moment but the kind of culture that enabled us to go into space
I went in expecting a complete clusterfuck and got a low production quality but otherwise stellar game with a few problems. An interesting story and an intriguing set of characters. It was also neat that the dub characters were largely different from the original jap, but the writing for each was internally consistent.
I don't really mind how short the game is, I just mind how there's only like sub 3 hours of gameplay for a full price game.
Portal 1 was like 4 hours of gameplay and it came with TF2, and the whole Half Life 2 series for less than full price.
It's just silly that developers are still doing this shit.
>People buying it just to spite critics.
Good. I hope you buy it for that reason.
In fact I hope you buy 10 copies. That would really show us.
>and I'm not talking about the kind of western "culture" we got at the moment but the kind of culture that enabled us to go into space
Those are one and the same. The bullshit you're seeing here is nothing new.
Why is it such a fucking foreign concept for these fucking faggots that you can play that 60 hour game through even if you have your daily things to attend to? Why do they feel the need to absorb as much entertainment in as little time as possible? What the fuck could possibly be the reason to demand more short and shitty games rather than big and expansive good games? Why is it such a foreign fucking concept to these people to play that 2-3 hrs every day for next month of that big ass 50-60 hr game EVEN WHEN THEY'RE FUCKING "VIDEO GAME JOURNALISTS"??
>Secretly sexy foreplay
What the fuck is with these people and going out and massively singing the praises of a game they haven't even touched yet? I mean I really don't get it.
I'm hype as fuck for MGSV and even I don't shitpost everywhere about how good I think it's going to be.
It really, truly does boggle my mind how people get so uptight that other people have complaints about something they're excited for...but haven't even played yet.
And 5 hours? Even CoD and Gears have longer campaigns with more actual gameplay time, plus multiplayer.
NiGGers goal was to fuck journalists and drag them through the dirt which was acomplishec pretty well. Not through any of their own action, but by causing journos to spurg out and paint gaming as a hellhole to try and defame them. After that SVU shit even normies think they overreacted and acted like assholes
>not hating everything
It's like you want to be accepted by people around you.
I'm ok with short games. Long games usually are long just because of filler. Since I'm a wageslave I don't have a lot of time to play, so I'd rather play a short game than a very long one that will just bore me in the long run if I have to drag it over several weeks.
My ideal lenght for a game nowdays is 8 hours for a single playthrough. Still, The Order is way too short even for my taste. I could easily finish it in a single saturday, and if it doesn't have any replay value that's a big issue.
Maybe I'll rent it if the story is really good (at least as good as TLOU, I liked the story in that game, and by the way, it lasted me 14 hours first playthrough), otherwise I'll pass.
>websites like Privilegon know what the public opinion is on stupid shit like this
>grab some backwards viewpoints from insane transvestites on twitter and make clickbait articles out of it
>suits in the industry go on the internet to see what the public wants, going to any "gaming news" websites
>see shit like this article, push those standards on developers
And then it goes on.
I can't help but imagine people like Ben are in fact completely normal people who just found the perfect con jobs.
i fully support short games. at an adequate price.
way better than copypasting the same enemies over and over to turn 6 hard hours of game into 24.
however when we think about that we have to remember that adding 18 hours costed only 10% of the game budget, so it wouldn't be fair to demand that the 6h game should cost 1/4th of the 24h one.
what do you like?
i don't play games by hours and i don't think enjoyment is measured in hours.
but i think i can like some repetition, for example facing a similar room of enemies 2 or 3 times. less than 2 you underused your content, more than 3 i might get bored.
How long did it last when people got the idea to shitpost 4chan fishing for replies? Now imagine they got paid per reply....
Yeah we can bitch about 4han all we want but, at least her there is no incentive to lie, defend a videogame, or attack a videogame other than your'e bored.
Islam is pretty much the most peaceful religion on earth and is one of the most open minded and welcome religion. Speak to any muslim, they will treat you better than any other religions will.
>man getting paid to play video games is so hard I wish these games were shorter
Must be tough being a "journalist".
Those things aren't even extremist Islamic views though, they're mainstream.
Suicide bombing civillians and setting people on fire are extremist, so I guess /pol/ is probably more extreme than the average Muslim by that measure
>expecting normal human opinions out of Ben Kuchera
The worst thing Penny-Arcade ever fucking did was give that tremendous asshole a platform.
How about buying games that are not made longer by adding filler then?
You can easily drag a normal playthrough of DaS over multiple weeks and it will keep you hooked over the course of those weeks.
By giving the industry a reason to make shitty short games you are basically enabling this kind of bullshit game.
First off, normal people aren't anti-gg
If you asked a random person on the street about gg he wouldn't say "I hate those scumbags" he'd say "What the fuck is that? Please go away"
But that's besides the point, because even if normal people WERE anti-gg that wouldn't make them pro-SJW
If normal people heard half the shit that SJWs spout they'd either double over with laughter or think it's down right psychotic.
If you think far-left academia has ANY kind of foothold in the mind of the general population then you're fucking delusional, most normal people don't even know the academic definitions of words like "patriarchy" and "oppression" much less agree with them.
SJWs survive only because the general population are largely unaware of what they say and do.