What is your favorite piece of Demon Souls or Dark Souls lore?
there is meaning, but it's subjective with some objective things, such as the item descriptions and the environment, you see skeletons burned on bridge, dragon aloft etc... the stories there you just have to piece it together.
Nah, there's actually a fair amount of evidence that links up. You don't have to believe it. Speculation is part of the game. That doesn't mean everything is a jumbled mess simply because of it's ambiguity.
Complaining that the lore is silly is more autistic than the "fan theories" you're citing.
The Maiden in Black is by far my favorite.
I'd love to see how Latria was before the second scourge.
I can imagine this place being anything other than fucked up.
I think for me it is Dark Soul's premise of world logic and history.
In the beginning there was fog, nothing but dragons and beings in the pits of nothing. Then came fire and we all know the rest, aspirations and such.
Cowardly acts and the eating of birds must not be the deeds of a Hero of Storms. If the one being judged displeases the Adjudicator's master, the Golden Crow, the deceased soul will be gnawed upon until nothing but their bones remain.
For Demon's Souls, this. It's just such a nice subtle slap to the face with spine-chilling ramifications once everything clicks in your head.
Dark Souls... I'd say the story of Artorias and his fall from grace/redemption. Favourite character, favourite boss fight, favourite lore.
Woe! woe to you who are crowned with the crown of the King in Yellow!
DeS: As vague as this is, almost anything related to the Old One. It's such an interesting concept, even visually.
DaS: Probably the inner workings of the world. Humanity, souls, the fire, the dark, and how all those and other things connect to each other.
>Priests worship god, bestowed with "miracles".
>Magicians learn how to use soul magic, and hate those religious people and vice versa.
>They get their power from the same source; the old one.
Finding the talisman of the beast is what all Souls lore should be like. No piece of equipment should leave you with more questions, or at least one piece should give you the truth.
There is a musician, I wanna say Lennon, who when asked about the meaning to one of his songs, said something along the lines of "No that's not what it means, but most of my songs really have no meaning. People should derive their own meaning from my songs, that's what music is all about." And I think the same could be said about video games.
Yea, that sounds about right. It's just a little bit worse than that when you hear people say that it's all fan made theories. There is much more glue that holds together theories than just wild guesses.
I like Dark Souls but I'm not sure how it got this reputation as 'such deep lore'
I could probably sit down and write you fifty item descriptions of 'here is thing, maybe connection to old thing/person, but lost in time'
I've barely seen anything concrete that wasn't either straight up told to you, or directly contradictory with something else. And the rest is unbelievable conjecture made up by crazy people
Demon's and Dark souls wasn't like that. It was Dark Souls 2 that started the "everyone forgot" bullshit. At most, Dark Souls had 1-2 items with similarities to "it's ancient and knowledge of it is dwindling" sort of items but they also gave you enough info to figure it out.
You can do whatever you want. Saying that it's conjecture is laughable. There is plenty of good information that links up with enough thought and imagination. Refusing to believe it doesn't make you wrong, it just makes you sound stupid for thinking only "crazy people" are putting a puzzle together.
I find the Painted World pretty interesting. The Firekeepers too. I really want to know more about Lautrec as well.
While I agree DaS is a better overall game (and my personal GOAT) I think Demons had better voice acting, textures and atmosphere.
Saints and Sorcerors have been at odds (including their organizations) for fucking god knows how long. The talisman of beasts (worshipped as a symbol of god for the saints) is actually the Old One.
There is no other god, no benevolent saviour to balance out the Old One. There is just one god and he's always fucking hungry. He eats souls and shit out demons.
>>not cosplaying as Ostrava in DeS
The problem with Demon's Souls was that some of it's equipment was very clearly total shit and was not made to do any respectable amount of damage.
Aside from that it was pretty cool. Meat cleaver and blue blood are best.
the praise the sun gesture was in DeS also. Was weird seeing it as its own thing in DaS.
this is definitely the best one. Completely shows the delusion of Clerics and priests that their magic is pure and holy.
How did the Old one actually came into being in Demon souls? i knew he was into a deep sleep, but what did awake him?
You are now aware that miyazaki just wanted to make a berserk game without getting a license
>Your progenitor found another soul. The Dark Soul
>The Age of Dark, the Age of Man
>Once, you humans were one with the Dark
>Game is called Dark Souls even though you only hear about one
So are humanities actually dark souls, or fragments of the Dark Soul?
Miralda is my personal favorite
Didn't know about world tendency at the time, saw random new door open. Explored, walked through another door and got chopped to bits by her.
Then she laughed that cute laugh. Also best fucking armor set in the game for a LONG time if you roll a female.
This is all there is. As far as I know it was never finished.
When everything goes to shit
>DeS The demon god thing and the fog
>DaS The First flame going out and the darkness taking over
>DaS2 Who gives a shit, You probably forgot to get eggs at the store or someshit
The queen was trying to steal the flame or some shit and vendrick locked all that shit away to stop her then went hollow.
She then pretty much OoT ganondorfs you after you recover all the shit.
And that, my friend, is perfectly fine with me.
I really like the Witch of Izalith and her whole fucked up family.
She wanted to recreate the flame that brought about life and meaning, and ended up creating an endless bed of explosive, never ending life that was corrupted in the form of demons.
I love how all of her children ended up fucked up due to her mistakes. I love how Chaos combines both the imagery of lava and churning , scalding fire with the constant wild growth of trees and weeds. I love how the weapons of Demons all look like they were broken off of branches or were carved from wood or just grew on the damn vine that way.
I also love the idea that she tried to recreate the first flame, but instead created a sea of lava, an "imperfect" flame.
I think someones said she cant get the rite of kindling by her self and there for cant touch it without you
Its really one big non problem
No... but Clerics and Saints consider it the likeness of God, the benevolent one that is at odds with the Old One (widely regarded as the Devil of sorts).
The thing is, that likeness IS the Old One, meaning there is no benevolent god and they've been worshipping Santans and drawing their power from him all along.
I don't know about Demon's Souls yet, I'm still trying to beat it. I'm at the Maneaters at the moment, though I've gone through pretty much every area a little bit, finishing a few of them.
It's weird, the two of them definitely seem easy enough for me to beat, but I always end up fucking up at the last minute. It's this FUCKING ASSHOLE PHANTOM on the staircase who always makes me rage and try a different world out. Seriously, fuck him. He's a non magic users worst nighmare.
>The mother of all demons is a qt with pancake eyes
>The motherfucking Land of Giants
>The Shadowmen and the entire Tower of Latria saga
>Gwyn leading the rebellion against the Dragons with motherfuckers like Nito and Seath behind him
>The tragic fall of Artorias
That pinwheel was just some schmuck who was trying to bring his murdered family back to life by stealing nito's power, dun goofed and fused his wife and son in his own body. Then the player comes along and wrecks his shit while he's trying to figure out how to split them from him (as is demonstrated by his splitting move)
That and his theme has people whispering "I'm sorry. I'm so sorry".
If I remember correctly the painted world was the first level they did / tested on which is probably why it's so well made, I think that at the end of the day they had a level made and just threw that shit in there with vague lore
The only things left in the shrine of storms are skellies which suggests they ate birds and displeased the adjudicator. The other "heroes" must have moved on or died properly, with the exception of the old hero.
Okay so I know I'm going to get 'muh sjw' shit for this, but is Gwyndolin a man or a woman?
Yeah yeah I know, born as a man, raised as a woman, daddy was disappoint, but Gwyndolin has very fair features and tits. And Gwyndolin wasn't a human, so is it possible that by being raised as a woman, he became a woman?
Or does Gwyndolin just lift so hard he got gyno?
Hmm that would explain a lot, not least why its one of the least optimized areas of the game apart from Blighttown. That separate and self enclosed feeling works with the concept of the place though. A pocket dimension held within a painting that holds the things the gods find offensive.
>Implying Garl Vinland even tapped that
What's the best Artorias weapon? I want to play as him but all his weapons sound pretty shitty
i don't quite understand why Miralda(DeS) calls you a''traitor'' when you fight her in 1-1.Are you supposed to be some kind of former Allant's servant?I don't think so because at the beginning of the game you clearly see yourself arriving in Boletaria,so I always assumed that you're some kind of errand knight-hero wannabe
>Get to Manus
>Ready to take revenge for Artorias
>AAAAHHHH YEA, BEST BATTLE EVER
>Completely hesitant to attack Manus and dies in a few hits
I guess that's what I get for not feeling sorry for him when I whooped his ass.
>Game is called Dark Souls even though you only hear about one
Fun fact, the game was originally under a different title that loosely translated to Dark Ring (the accursed dark sign) but an office member mentioned a butthole and they figured too many people would link the name with anus' so they changed it to Souls to fit it into a series of games.
God created the Old One. However the God the clerics worship is not God, but the Old One. This is revealed by Talisman of Beasts, True Allant's dialogue and retroactively, the intro cutscene. Saying it's the same individual is incorrect, the clerics were merely blindly worshipping the thing that gave them "Miracles."
All of his weapons are god tier for people who level up. I'm level ~400 ish now and the true artorias greatsword has 685 attack power. It's fucking amazing. Cursed one is perfect for new londo ruins and the abyss greatsword has a really fun move set and I think powers up with your humanity?
I'm fighting him now but his sign doesn't show up even though I found him. Got the shield and all. But if he's not going to be much help oh well. Manus is fucking my butt anyway.
You technically need about 20 in Str, Dex, Int and Faith to properly use all of them, but as long as you have the physical requirements you can swing it fine
I used Abyss Greatsword for a while, it was fun. You get to do his flip
>Coming at them head on.
>Not just sneaking up on them or using anti-magic field.
Your balls must be enormous.
Sometimes when I play DeS (haven't in over a year) I take screenshots of the annoying shit
like these guys, fuck you! worth carrying a bow on switch for these shits.
I'm pretty sure the lighting zwei has 500 attack power and a chaos large club has near 600 when you have humanity. 685 doesn't seem all that much for being level 400 comparatively.
Well, those are as high quality screenshots you will get from DeS, all it does is expose the lack of AA. Almost all console games have 2xFXAA, nothing great by any means, but it does blur the edges a bit. I'm pretty sure DeS has no AA at all.
it of course looks better in motion, probably sitting back from a tv
>A family of three
>mother and son die
>father goes crazy with necromancy
>brings them back but they are all burdened
>some symbolism shit that I don't remember
Player turns up in his office and says "I quit", kills boss, boss says "do you work here?"
Abyss Greatsword if you are 100~ because it actually scales up to 10 Humanity and has a higher damage modifier than it's AR suggests, much like the BKH. The other two are only really "good" with very high stats, but are still fun to use regardless.
>tfw unable to play demon's souls as anything other than just a knight
>halfswording will never be a thing in souls
>instead we get retarded DOOAL WIELD powerstance
Last time I played was when they put DeS on the PS store, it was also free for PS+, I think. It had a lot of activity then, a short revival. Lots of new players, lots of people who only played DaS. They had no clue what the scraping spear was. I'd invade the same people multiple times since DeS didn't have the failure p2p shit das did. They would message me asking how I broke their gear and to leave them alone. All they knew after multiple invasions was to turn their backs and run from me.
So many of them ran right into the exploding carts in stonefang.
Well, a lot of 7th gen games did have some form of AA. Especially those made 2010 and later. 2009 and prior, a lot of games had none.
I was actually right, DeS had no AA at all and DaS had 2xAA
>tfw unable to play dark souls as anything other than a DEX/Pyro.
>Spear in right, shield in left because of 'block-while-attack'
>become accustomed to it
>pyro for distance cheap shots
Did a bit of fiddling with the char planner and I suppose you're right. Still seems a little low though.
Correct, once they begging to either do any of their attack animations they have hyper armor. If your first attack doesn't stun, train yourself to roll out of the way.
Usually running up from behind and backstabbing can give a good enough window to finish them off in a combo. Blocking is a death sentence.>>282725937
That's shit tier
I didn't even look at it since the got rid of mana and put a limit on use for spells. Fuck that shit, full melee, not even fpr miracles like second chance (if there's any).
It almost feels like Gwyndolin being a man was a translation error or a last minute change. There's a lot pointing to the contrary.
>Character model has breasts
>Fairly androgynous voice, but everyone thought it was a females voice in the early trailers
>Official artwork of Gwyndolins clearly female body
Among other things.
I forgot what these were called. I think you get them with PBWT
Boletaria is max comfy, even with the toothy vagina thing sitting here.
Who /played Demon's before Dark came out/ here
Tower Knight is still my favorite Souls boss fight. I love it.
>endurance and resistance are separate stats
yeah, she can catch you off guard, considering you can't roll in the swamp.
I remember running into one and having no clue what it was. I approached it with shield up and it didn't do shit. If you stand in front of it, it will stick it's spear tongue through you
Even though it's split damage, it's high enough that it's well worth using. It's on a different level from a mere Chaos+5 weapon. I've pvp'd with Arty swords on max SL and that range combined with the sheer damage is fantastic.
I think I'm just overestimating the scaling and expecting more. I've never taken a char that high myself before, usually want to go experiment with a new build after the first NG+. I'm pretty sure in Demons the stat scaling never tailed off that much.
Most boss weapons that are upgraded with colourless souls are pretty useless in my experience. It didn't even increase the weapon attacks power. I don't think I upgraded very much.
The moment I realized the titular Dark Souls actually referred to Humanity. Or maybe that was really obvious from the start? I don't quite remember what item description I read that made it clear to me.
I tried playing Demon's Souls but playing a souls game on anything but mouse and keyboard with dsmfix feels like shit.
Flame Keeper Anastacia of Astora being a mute because her tongue was ripped out.
Then consuming her soul to upgrade estus flasks
A very large amount, if not the majority of people on /v/ at this point who play(ed) DaS/DaS II have never played DeS.
Huh, the only related thing I can remember along those lines is an interview with Dick Valentine from Electric Six who said they had meanings for their songs at their conception but they forgot along the way.
>souls with a controller. They should have just hired the dsmfix guy to implement proper m+kb controls to every game they make. So much better than being forced to use a controller.
Everything about Vinheim and magic makes my dick hard.
Logan's quest, why was he banned from Vinheim, is Griggs a spy, spying for what, what is everyone up to ?
And also the general story of magic in DaS' wolrd with Seath linking crystal to the souls and stuff is really great and could be expanded in so many ways
I was a STRONK heavy weapon user and I could still sneak up on him for the backstab, you just cannot run or else your armor will clink and get his attention. Stay far enough away that you can just barely see him, then wait for him to turn around.
The area after the Maneaters has two BP Mind Flayers that cannot be avoided and cannot be backstabbed since you face them in an extremely narrow hallway.
>fighting giants in swamp with tower shield
>panicking because fuck giants
>tower shield eats the fucking attack and leaves me with no stamina but zero damage
THE BEST SHIELD IN ANY GAME
you mean this shield? I think you get this set after killing the executioner bitch in 1-1 with PBWT. You have to drop down all those rafters and if you slip, you're ded. Also, you better have that inventory load item.
Don't even get me started on Pure black tendency, or getting the sword "Blind" from the swamp
Isn't it because you start becoming something of a demon yourself after collecting demon souls? I could have sworn an NPC mentions something about you being different after you acquire a number of demon souls.
maybe she sees you as a person slaying demons just to gain their power, becoming a demon yourself.
No, the legit Tower Shield that drops off the BP in 1-4 or under the bridge in 1-2. Has the highest stability of all shields and good resists, but the only thing heavier is Bramdt.
That's Biorr shield, the tower shiled is under that bridge in the screenshot, from where Biorr is found prisoner all the way back in the dungeon until you find it on the ground, iirc.
I did. Pre-ordered that shit so fast because of some dude who used to make threads of his asian version playthrough.
Or it could be because she's BATSHIT INSANE.
I did like that little move they did by putting her Black Phantom on the other side of the door. First time I went in in pure black I raced around, swinging, but saw nothing. Then she oneshot me and that's how I found out NPCs could do back stabs too.
Darkwraiths and Forest Hunters. Tying invasions to covenants with clear goals that fit into the setting in distinct ways was really cool. I'd say Darkmoons and Gravelords too except they never worked.
Also I beat the centipede nigger with havel's set. That was bretty gud, bitch couldn't slam me to the ground.
I don't know if it's real or not but supposedly in DeS all of the characters you meet are actually dead. They do not really understand that they are. You can find most of their corpses through out the worlds. Even Mephistopheles in 3-2.
Again I don't know if it's for sure or if it was just a fan theory I may have read.
And for DeS I just loved how each of the NPCs were involved in the levels, and you could come across their black phantoms and all that.
Having the NPCs actually travel in and out of the Nexus, or to and from Firelink Shrine as you progressed did a lot to make the two game worlds feel alive. It was one of my biggest disappointments with Dark Souls 2 that, when you got an NPC to come to Majula, they'd end up never doing anything else.
Yeah Latria is cool as hell too, everything about it is unsettling.
Yeah I gotta make a new char anyway since my last PS3 shit itself and I lost all my data, I was thinking of rolling a mage or some shit.
Meh DeS has many different alternate dimensions. They are probably alive in their home one. Thats how the lore justifies invading and summoning help, you are just entering their 'world'
Just use the dupe glitch, they're only useful for co-op or whatever. I suicide in the nexus when I'm human so I don't ruin my world tendency
>Logan was banned
>Griggs may be a spy
I never really fucked around with magic too much, what's all this? I thought Logan just wanted to satiate his Seath lust, and Griggs was just a magic groupie?
That's prob velka or something seeing as it takes undead to lordran, and the prophecy says that an undead will come and kill the gods or something I never payed much attention, I just got pretty interested in velka and how she's basically a terrorist responsible for dark souls 9/11
I thought it was that they retreated to the Nexus for safety? Besides the Crestfallen warrior who is obviously dead.
My mistakes if I'm sounding completely wrong here. I love the games but I only half ever pay attention to it's lore.
I never fought that Old King guy in Demon Souls that you need Ostrava's key to access. I was going to fight him but I didn't know killing Allant would lock in your ending. Did I miss out?
>Isn't it because you start becoming something of a demon yourself after collecting demon souls? I could have sworn an NPC mentions something about you being different after you acquire a number of demon souls.
>maybe she sees you as a person slaying demons just to gain their power, becoming a demon yourself.
yeah but SHE is a demon herself. also as long as you keep getting souls(power) you get to keep your sanity(even tho your lust for power/souls increases)
Muh dick. I'm thinking about buying one for $230. That or a sallet.
Logan wasn't banned, but he became undead and went to Lordran seeking knowledge.
Griggs is wearing the black sorcerer's set
>Cloak worn by the secret sorcerers at
Vinheim Dragon School.
>They secretly work with sound-based spells,
and never reveal themselves.
You can either rush to 1-4 and get the Key from Ostrava, or kill him like the Demon you are in 1-1.
Be warned though, Doran isn't a joke on NG, and in NG+ his power is fucking off the wall. He could probably solo the Ancient Dragon like Raime.
In any case it's worth fighting him at least once since his armor is great, his ring is great, and his death scream will haunt your nightmares. Make sure you do Hyper Mode with Clever Rat Ring, Morion Blade, and your strongest weapon to kill him quick.
He will also full heal after losing 50% hp if you don't pressure him.
I played Demon's Souls so much I platinumed it 3 times over. Granted, I glitched Dupepile Thomas, but that's only because I couldn't be assed grinding for certain stones.
You can do all world tendency shit in one single playthrough if you do it right. I played so much I figured all of that shit out without a guide.
What the hell was up with those chairs anyway?
I feel like Tower of Latria is in desperate need of more explanation. All I got out of it was:
>King left the land in search of knowledge, ways of stopping the fog/old one
>Came back enlightened and circled in a brilliant golden robe, but seemed kind of evil and had a bunch of demons in tow
>Ruled Latria with an iron fist, did horrible things to the royal caste, locked many in the jail cells so they'll slowly go mad
>Perhaps to obtain some sort of false hope, Dredgelings create and worship the False Idol
>Giant heart for no reason
Don't worry, it'll be in the next patch.
The Queen banished her depraved old husband from the land. One day, he returned in strange golden garb with foul Demons in tow.
Also I'm pretty sure he created Fool's Idol to trick them into going above to become Demons of their own free will. You can see the giant Heart is creating those things, they prop out when it gets crushed. The Gargoyles, Manscorpion things and even the Maneaters all have the faces of the inhabitants. It was theorized that the Heart was somehow keeping the old monk alive.
Also the yellow cloak was a Demon itself that was only looking for stronger hosts.
I agree though, it's intriguing and I wish we had more backstory on it.
Yesterday I was replaying DeS and it was the first time I notice the bird. I don't know how many time I have played the game and just as I was finishing him off I noticed. The shield image thought it was an eagle, never care to see it in that angle....
Fool, do you not understand? Nobody wishes to go on.
Personally, this was my most favorite moment.
How the Maiden just treats this giant, soul consuming monstrosity that basically doomed the entire land if not stopped, like a puppy show how powerful she herself must be, if only for the fact that only she can lull it back to slumber.
I've always loved Blighttown and the Valley of Defilement.
Mechanically, they're both tedious as shit to clear, but the zones themselves are enough to give me half a boner, Maiden Astraea/Garl Vinland and Daughters of Chaos included.
>Please take this
>This is all of me
I kind of got hard
>>King left the land in search of knowledge, ways of stopping the fog/old one
>Husband of the Queen gets exiled for some reason
>While wandering through the world he found a golden robe
>He comes with a newly made army of demon Cthulhu's sons and shit
>BTFO the queen and acquires total power of Latria
>Put the highborn in the cells and let them become fucked up and experiment with them
>He creates a False Idol to be worshiped by the people in the form of the queen
>The Golden rope takes total control and it's revealed that the king was a mere pupped of the robe
The interesting thing about Tower of Latria is that it shows that non living thing can become demons and the theme of the place just like The Valley of Defilement is the man-made evil, both places were horrible (The prison was used for torture before the demons came and the valley was full of abortions and old and sick people that no one wanted) places with or without the demons.
Valley of Defilement was the only area in any game that I genuinely never wanted to return to.
After the first run I always just rushed through it as fast as I could.
It wasn't so much the tedium but rather just that unpleasant taste it left in my mouth with all of the tedium, slow ass walking, !POISONED! and all of the black phantoms
jesus christ Selen you need to calm your tits, Astraea, babies and of course the atmosphere which combined it into this feeling of utter disgust.
thought it was cool that he was sitting on top of a fuckload of chairs. i guess its a throne or something, does anyone else know if this is supposed to have more meaning to it?
also the idea behind the worshipper bringing the false idol back, being that a god or idol or whatever is only powerful while it is being worshipped is a really cool idea
Favorite Story = The Burnt Ivory King. Second place is a tie between the Legend of Artorias and Alonne and the Iron King
Favorite Character = Seigmeyer as a person. Artorias as far as design.
I fucking love the Four Knights
I was about to post that. Ivory King was GOAT with his waifu Alsanna.
>So powerful and inspirational that he changes the heart of the Child of Dark
>To this day she stands watch over the forsaken kingdom in his honor.
>Even bids you to not be tempted by the dark
Alonne and Iron King was cool too.
Alva and Zullie
>You'll never travel from land to land with your tsundere Witch/reformed villainess girlfriend
Why even live? It's a crime they weren't added to the game, but fucking Raime was.
>Such a loving and powerful king that he the avatar of darkness dedicated the rest of her life to his final wish
Not to mention this guy decided to plant his throne right in front of the gates of hell because damned if he isn't going to face any challenge before he tells his men to
Now that I think about it, Old Monk deposed the ENTIRE fucking ruling cast to get where he was, and all of those chairs were nice as fuck chairs. Maybe they represent the ruling caste that he locked up and tortured down below.
I wish Ornstein had gotten some kind of cameo in AotS. I know why they didn't do it, because they were afraid that the player would kill him prior to reaching Anal Rodeo but a few words wouldn't have hurt.
Is it "Ornsteen" or "Ornstein" like the jews say it
He really is intimidating until you realize that he kills his own adds and he's allergic to Pyromancies.
>>282735976 I call him Smou with a long "o"
This is spooky as shit
>Walk up to Nito
>His slashes go over your head harmlessly
He was less threatening than the skeletons you face to get to him. Why were all the lord Vessel bosses such utter shit? They looked so damn cool.
>Mixing Heide helm with insolent armour for a Crusader
Now I know what to do tomorrow. Thanks mate.
You have to admit, whatever fucking spell he uses to float is pretty cool
The only base-game NPC worth remembering
I could go on a big long rant about how the gods were falling out of power and whatnot but the reality is that they had good ideas but weren't thought through. Which is why Artorias on his own stands head and shoulders above all 3 lord soul bosses as a threat despite just being one dude with a sword.
This was the most disappointing boss in all the games.
>All those weapons in the back
>Only uses a slow as fuck greatsword
So what's the deal with them? It's from the ones he kills?
Okay I guess Vengarl was worth remembering too. He was a godsend in that fucking Frigid Outskirts run
that the guys in world 5 are all wearing plague doctor masks with some herbs in them to help them breath or some shit.
i honestly thought they were just bird people.
also the demons taking form of the death rituals of the people of world 4.
>There are people that believe DeS pvp was ever good
I'm actually working my way through DaS2 now for the first time. Made it past the Skeleton Lords 2 days ago. Freaked out until I found out they were big skelingtons that turn into little skelingtons. Well I did legitimately get nervous when a bunch of skeleton wheels showed up. Is the Bastard Sword the training wheels weapon of this game? I feel like I really shouldn't be doing as well as I am.
And what would an axe or spear be able to do that couldn't be done with a sword? He's still stabbing or slashing at you in melee.
>My god, he swung at me with an axe instead of a sword
>My mind is blown!
The one thing that got on my nerves is that Vamos was so out of the way. So if you wanted to get Fire or Chaos weapons you had to go all the way around the world just to get to him.
Greatswords tend to be the best weapons in the game. I only used a Broadsword and a Drangleic Sword for my first playthrough
I actually did. Took me a shitton of Soulsuck and a ton of levels from doing so but I finally got it and got my Sharp Uchigatana
It took me four hours of grinding. I duplicated the Pure Bladestone and drop one whenever I invade someone. Talking about it, I never kill while invading, I just help them kill the enemy npc since they won't attack me.
>Not p8 or cr8
>Not based Gavlan
>Not Titchy Gren
>Not rhyming bell tower midgets
>Not Sweet Shalquior
Aesthetics. My only gripe is that he doesn't pursue you through a level.
Raime will never not be my favorite knight.
>All those moveset variations
>That unique Dark/Fire Buff
>That angst against Velstadt
The idea that you can just go up to an ancient world devouring demon and say "let's be friends" makes me smile.
Allant > Vendric > Gwyn
Why do people keep using "Furtive Pygmy" as his name? Furtive isn't a title, it's an adjective. He's a pygmy who's furtive, not THE furtive pygmy. I'm sure many pygmies are furtive, it's not hard to be furtive when you're tiny.
I just liked him more.
He was a beef as fuck huge cunt. He can be a challenge as a mindless hollow, imagine what he was like while alive.
Gwyn was just a god of fire, not all that interesting really.
People use the Furtive Pygmy as his name because that's what the intro calls him rather than giving him a true name. I guess you can call him Manus but people are still split on whether Manus was the Furtive Pygmy or just a ridiculously powerful primeval human.
You can actually talk to him you know. Memory of the King was pretty cool
>Even after all the shit Nashandra did to his kingdom in the long run, Vendrick still calls her "my dear 'shandra"
Vendrick pretty much accepted that the cycle is undefeatable and that he was a fool for trying. He really could've stopped a lot of the madness by just killing Nashandra but even knowing she was a child of Dark who didn't give a shit about him once he lost his power he still had love for her.
How the hell did the Ivory King tame Alsanna? Must be because Alanna isn't as hostile as Nashandra was.
The pygmy split his soul to create humanity, Manus was the first human created from this soul, thus had a fuckton of humanity that he couldn't control. Could be that there were multiple primordial humans. Perhaps he went nutso in the past as well, so he was sealed away until Kaathe came along and tricked Oolacile into waking him up.
It's implied that Boletaria's "prosperity" was only for a small portion of the elite and was just sheer power level stuff. The place was miserable, and it even had a slave class that didn't have proper clothes (dreglings).
How was Seath born without scales? I didn't think the ancient dragons even reproduced, since they're immortal and all.
And how did he live so long if he wasn't immortal? Presumably his magic crystal is a relatively recent development.
There are only 4 known Lord Souls. Gwyn isn't the lord of fire, he is the lord of Sunlight. This seems to expand beyond the bounds of simple fire seeing as how he was able to invent the Sunlight Spear, a Lightning miracle.
But yes there are/ were many gods and they all lived in Anor Londo. It's just that when the First Flame began to die and the Age of Fire began to fade all the gods jumped ship out of Anor Londo with Gwyndolin being the only god to remain in the city. Flame God Flann married Gwynevere and they both ran off together. Where they went nobody knows.
>The manipulation of Souls requires knowledge and study and no faith. Intelligence.
>The manipulation of Miracles require astute faith and hilariously, no knowledge. Faith
>To make usage of Dark/Hex, basically the essence of Humanity, it requires both Intelligence and Faith
I found this pretty interesting. You could be a scholar like Logan in the art of souls but wouldn't be able to conjure anything to heal a wound. On the other hand, you could heal and chuck spears of fucking sunlight but wouldn't know what to do with manipulating souls.
Knowing both gives you access to using Humanity/Dark
The four known lord souls correspond to two of the listed disparities. Heat and cold are mentioned as a disparity born from the fire, but there's no lord souls representing them. Could be that the heat and cold souls were found after the war, or were, like the dark soul, kept hidden after being found.
I should say most lived in Anor Londo. They all lived in Lordran whilst other giants and people lived in the surrounding cities. For example Gwyn's uncle, Allfather Lloyd, established the city of Thoroland, a city of clerics. And everyone there worshipped Gwyn and the other gods. They might have been a little fucked up though if Anastacia is any indication.
Who would win?
We don't know how or why Manus's madness caused such a catastrophe while none of the other people didn't. Whoever Manus was he was very very VERY powerful on a scale even the 4 Kings couldn't reach on their own. Which is why some people honestly believe Manus was the Furtive Pygmy. But FROM just refuses to give us a clear answer on the subject, they always just say "primeval human." But we have no possible way of knowing if Manus was A primeval human or THE primeval human
And Pyromancy is able to be used by everyone. Witch of Izalith seemed to have symbolized life with her Lord Soul and that art of wielding fire seems to have passed down to all living things.
I'd bet on Allant
He's outside the cycle of life and death.
Ignore Four Old Ones that had the Lord Souls passed down to them. Story is all about the Undead Curse returning and you trying to find out why. You seek King Vendrick who "peered into the essence of the soul" so he prolly knows something
King Vendrick was a mighty king whom everyone loved who fell in love with a foreign woman named Nashandra. Nashandra enthralled his heart and warned him of a looming threat across the sea, the Giants. Vendrick sailed across the sea, fought the giants, and stole something of critical importance all for his love Nashandra. But the Giants were infuriated at what Vendrick had done and sailed to Drangleic. Vendrick won the fight but it crippled Drangleic and the Undead Curse made matters worse. While trying to find a way to cure the Undead Curse, Vendrick saw discovered something that disturbed him so greatly that he abandoned his kingdom and his castle. He hid away what he stole from the giants and locked himself where no one could find him.
You are an Undead halfway through hollowing that just stumbled into the middle of all this shit. Perhaps if you can find King Vendrick he can give you some answers in how to stop the hollowing.
Here's some pro tips anon
>Shields are fucking useless
>Fast roll plus high poise
>Roll through all his attacks
>Don't summon Sif because he's shit at drawing aggro
Well Gwyndolin gained a female form somehow, so Gwynever may well have morphed into a male if she was raised as one. They're gods, who knows how their forms work. Could be they take the form they view themselves as, their physical body being linked to self image and self esteem.
Gwyndolin is female because he was raised as such, and views himself as deformed or broken because he could not win his father's love, hence all the tentacle shit.
This, this, this. Number one rule against Manus: don't get greedy. If there's ever a time when you're not 100% sure you can sneak in a hit without a rebuttle, just take the safe option and wait for the next attack. Manus is an offensive monster and he only needs one good opening to fuck you over.
The DLCs make DaS2 better than what it was. Personally I prefer the DaS1 story but I don't hate the DaS2 story either. Though I didn't really connect to the side stories in DaS2.
I definitely qualify as a Cerebrotonic. Because of this, hooking up with girls is way too much fucking work and effort for what it's worth.
I'll have plenty of time and resources to do that shit when I'm done with school. Until then, it's back to the backlog with me.
So what was the Dragon God? Was it just another demon in the shape of a big monster, or was it an actual deity that was possessed by the power of souls?
And how did Maiden Astrea become a demon?
Old Monk was basically Allant of Latria, so his demon-ness makes sense. And Storm King was just a big demon monster, so that's fine. But I don't get Dragon God or Astrea.
The large majority of the enemies in the Boletarian Palace are the soul-starved people of Boletaria. There's also the dregling merchant who basically serves as proof that dreglings are just humans.
Fucking this. The lore and buildup to Ivory King was the best part of the game.
The fact that his throne was where it was because he considered himself the first line of defense, is badass as fuck.
He also has his waifu engraved on the face of his helmet.
>tfw the 4 knights who escaped the Chaos just hang out in solitary, waiting for someone to lead them back into the chaos to free their king and bretheren from their fate
the biggest feels, that dlc.
and that fucking final boss fight, holy shit