I think that 3 does do certain things better, but over all 4 is better written and better designed. 3 is a bit too JRPG for me what with battle robots that look like teenage girls, a Persona using dog and a focus on an end of the world plot. I prefer 4's more relatable grounded story telling, the only problem I have with Persona 4's writing is Naoto.
>I prefer 4's more relatable grounded story telling
Come the fuck on anon. I loved P4 but it really is just Scooby Doo with everyone riding protag's dick non-stop. There's nothing 'grounded' about it.
This, I hate persona 3's system. It's completely janked. The AI is really inconsistent, I can't trust them to do anything. Press turns don't always happen for you, and the enemy , too many status conditions, and 3 types of physical hits is unnecessary. Persona 4's system is perfect. I never lost a battle because of some dumbass RNG.
A zany bunch of teenagers teaming up to solve a mystery. I'm not even levelling it as a criticism either retard. but to say P4 sheds all of the typical JRPG tropes found earlier in the series like in 3 and that it's more relatable and 'grounded' is laughable. It's full of them.
It really is. Watch Scooby Doo. Play Persona 4. If you can't see the comparison then... 39;aw?
And I don't think "grounded" is a term that can be applied when every relationship you take part in is so instantanious and ridiculous.
It's still a better game than P1 though, and I like that
> then... 39;aw?
THE NEW CAPTCHA HAS FAILED! ROBOTS ARE TAKING OVER
The only problem with Naoto is
she isnt real ;_;
P4 made the gameplay changes that everyone already wanted in P3 and their absence just makes you question what the fuck they were thinking. Aside from gameplay though, P3 is superior in every way. Fucking hate the cheerful happy-go-lucky mood in P4.
And Persona 2 is still a more mature story than 3, 4, or any future Persona title will ever be
>muh sacrifice cause the world is gonna end
anime savior will never compare to taiwanese mafia and rampant murderers
Can we just agree both games would be improved without the honorifics stuff?
There's nothing particularly zany about them unless you count the terrible Golden version. It's a group of believable normal teenagers living in a believable rural town dealing with relatable problems such as bullying, sexuality, parental burden, personal identity etc. My only problem with the real world elements of Persona 4 is Naoto who is teenaged detective from a rich background who apparently carries a gun, that shit is pretty retarded. But other than Naoto the real world elements of Persona 4 are all pretty grounded and relatable. The supernatural element of the story is obviously not grounded by it's very nature but its a reality meets fantasy story which is kinda the point.
In Persona 3 you've got battle robots that look like teenaged girls build by humans, Persona suppressant pills, Persona using dogs, piles of orphans, a school club authorised by an adult whole aim is to kill monsters, complete with super sci-fi command centre equipped with giant displays, teched out motorbikes for hunting monsters. Persona 4's real world is grounded, Persona 3's real world is a bunch of silly ass anime shit. It's less interesting because it's not reality meets fantasy, it's just fantasy meets fantasy. Plus a simple murder mystery is more unique and compelling as a JRPG story than yet another fucking potential end of the world plot even if Persona 4 does itself go down that route right at the last minute.
>believable normal teenagers
My sides. By your logic, the P3 cast are all just as 'grounded' as the P4 cast because at the end of the day they're all just teenagers with hidden potential and human struggles going to some kind of alternate dimension to battle shadows and save the day. P4 just tackled it in with a more upbeat tone but the results are the same, you even say as much with
>Plus a simple murder mystery is more unique and compelling as a JRPG story than yet another fucking potential end of the world plot even if Persona 4 does itself go down that route right at the last minute.
>In Persona 3 you've got battle robots that look like teenaged girls build by humans, Persona suppressant pills, Persona using dogs, piles of orphans, a school club authorised by an adult whole aim is to kill monsters, complete with super sci-fi command centre equipped with giant displays, teched out motorbikes for hunting monsters.
There wasn't a single fucking thing wrong with any of that. Playing a JRPG and criticising it because it's not something relatable is retarded.
>the last game released is not even 2 years old
If you've already played the game once before It's a decent way to replay it and get something different. But I would always recommend people play vanilla first before playing Golden since much of what it adds detracts from the base game.
The only thing I can think of that makes vanilla P4 worse than Golden is less events and lack of skill cards. Marie is fucking terrible, even winter trip doesn't make up for her shitty design and pointless role in the story.
Why can't anyone on this board ever like two games in the same series?
Why can only one be good while all the others are shit?
P3P removes all of the 3D graphics outside of Tartarus, it makes the game into a menu driven visual novel instead of having in engine cutscenes and the ability to run around town and such. If you don't mind the visual novel style it's just better.
I suggest it
I mean if you like playing portable and on the bus or whatever, P3P is still quite good. You miss out on character models for immersion, but that's really it.
I'd try out FES and see how you like the AI battling system, and if it's too hard switch to P3P for direct commands
>tfw I did the same thing
I really wish my PS2 wasn't busted.
People say that the lack of a 3D overworld kills immersion for them, but it doesn't matter much if you don't care about graphics
3 wasn't balanced around being able to control your useless teammates and you lose out on a lot of little touches with the vn format.
Instead of the gif you get a still portrait and the audio guy clopping some coconut shells together to imply that someones running.
I'm definitely not forcing you or anything but I think p3p works better for a second playthrough / playing through the femc route after you've already played FES.
P4 has the better gameplay.
P3 has the better everything else
So I guess I consider them equals. It depends on if I'm in the mood for decent combat/dungeon crawling and better everything else or vice versa.
P3P is the biggest piece of shit and is the worst Persona game. It takes everything that made P3 great and throws it out the window. All charm and atmosphere is gone. It's all replaced by still images and half ass writing. I completely regret playing it first before FES. I actually thought P3 was bad because I played this version. Playing FES is such a better experience. People underestimate how much the cutscenes and shit like this gif affect the game. Don't let anyone ever tell you to play P3P first. Play it after if you want to be a girl and be fucked by your husbandos. That game was pretty much made for being the girl. I will always regret this decision. The writing was actually so bad that
I didn't even know the MC died at the end until I read it on /v/
The Elizabeth dates were amazing.
Because you couldn't notice all the fucking foreshadowing about the ending, then I highly doubt if FES was your first play through, you would have realized he died there
But nah, its P3P's fault
See, you're confusing "good" with "better." I never said that P4 has good gameplay, just better.
Except for the horrible dialogue and voice acting, yeah, they were great.
The dungeon visits and pacing was better in P3, i hated being able to just spend a day in the dungeon and just S.Link the rest of the month just waiting for the guy to recover
In P3 you had to do multiple visits and you had to manage your time to get best out of S.Link XP and request items
>hating on Elizabeth's voice
What a pleb
Nice projecting. I never said I hate the games. I'm just not deluded enough to think they're not obvious weebshit. They're fine, and can be fun, but holy shit are the social links a terrible thing.
right. I'm trying to do it on a fairly new laptop though. I'll let you niggas know how it goes
Thank you all so much for the help. If this doesn't work I'll be stuck with p3p on my vita
What, no one mentioned
Adachi being the killerin the whole thread?
It sold ok, but JRPGs in that era used to sell a lot better. It was a low tier series in terms of popularity. Even most P1 and P2 fans admit it can be a chore to play. Even the remakes.
Tweak the settings so that it can run, but only at an extremely low quality?
I'm a console/handheld pleb, but I have standards
to be honest. having it on vita will help a lot with my 2 hour commute to school
No, anon, it's not necessarily in shit graphics
You need to play around with the video option so that yiu find the correct setup for your processor
Let me go fetch my settings, and if you can't do it with those, then you can give up
Try these settings if you can
If not then change it back to native and take off the HW hacks
It still doesn't work
Thank you so much for trying to help an emulation dumbass, but my toaster is a lost cause
Try moving the sliders a little for these and set up turbo mode
This is the setup i have for my 3 year old laptop and it runs fine
That anon >>277572780 is trolling you. He's setting all the things to max.
Use the Lowest Direct3D version for your renderer, use native resolution, turn off texture and anisotropic filtering, FXAA, and go into configure and turn off any AA in there.
Huh, i didn't mean to post yet
Dunno what happened there
try these instead
The fanbases are different and have a constant clash
People who like the dark themes of P3 and people who like the Happy themes of P4
MT is notorious for it's dark and grim themes, P4 broke that streak and it sticks out like a sore thumb
And the fact that it was the easiest game in all of MT/persona and how it brought in so much casuals is another of the things that make people dislike P4
I like the gameplay, the Social aspect is a nice little bonus and serves as a feature that separates and makes it stand out it from the rest of the SMT
I don't give a fuck about waifus, I play it for the overall experience. It's a cool game, basically jumping into the life of an alpha emo kid who's a superhero at night. I really love the music and overall aesthetic of tartarus too.
>there are people who actually want social links gone
I don't play Persona for neither of those.
I like the atmosphere.
I like the dungeons in all of the games.
I love the soundtrack.
I love collecting personae and fusing tons of them.
I like the overall "experience" I guess.
The only thing I wish is that they gave more importance to the anthology plot,but welp.
I thought you said Kanji and was about to go OFF
>Can you? I never really focused on links.
I dislike how they make less attack options with every installment (rip guns, pierce and smash meele, gravity magic and much much more).
I never liked Junpei and he was killing P3 for me. Then characters in 4 had too big boner for McSwag all time.
Enjoyed both of them. For replaying value I'd pick P3
You're a dumbass
Yup, you can
Here you go
P3P = Q = IS > EP = FES = 4 > Golden = 1
I really like all the games though,none of them are bad.
Well I expected PQ to feel like a EO game but it's feeling more like a new Persona game to me. Fusing personaes, funky music, going all out in combat, tons of "social" events.
The onyl "content" added was more Anime elements and events
It gave Adachi and S.Link
But in regards to combat, it's fucking easy as hell
The bosses are easier, Naoto got re-worked, which made the game even easier
It was made to lure in casuals and get more sales
Oh alright. Yeah P3P was alright but direct control made that game easy as fuck. It didn't rebalance the game when it should have.
How does the Adachi social link
work with him being the villain?
-Making Marie the canon lover for protag.
-I used to actually like Chie as a retarded character,but in Golden I just couldn't.Her new VA is THAT bad.
-Battles are a piece of cake,even on the hardest settings.
All the little things matter,anon.At least we got more personae and Adachi S.Link,but I don't think it holds up,really.The winter carnival or whatever isn't enjoyable.
Persona 3 the objectively better OST
>-I used to actually like Chie as a retarded character,but in Golden I just couldn't.Her new VA is THAT bad.
I'm assuming PQ is using her Golden VA and yeah it's pretty bad. I thought her original VA in P4 was perfect. I hate it when people say her new VA is improved and her old is bad, most of the time they never even played the original and just heard a short clip on youtube.
Well, they both used Wizardry's tile dungeon formula so there's that.
>most of the time they never even played the original and just heard a short clip on youtube.
This. They just took some bad line reading out of proportion. The old VA was pretty good.
I know this is bait, but there is no fun in it posing no challenge
I want to have something to challenge me, battles need to have risk in them
if i wanted to watch Slice of life anime i would watch slice of life anime
Because the new one is that bad
The VA is way too loud and can't do her lines
No, I think it's usually because they removed 3D world exploration and made it feel even more like a visual novel. Personally I enjoyed P3P aside from it being easier but I think FES is the best experience by far.