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Is it really possible to enjoy a dungeon crawler in 2014?
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Wizardy 8 is pretty good.
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>>276916620
no
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>>276916661
That's not exactly a dungeon crawler
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>>276916620
Legend of Grimrock 2 is very enjoyable.
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Does Etrian Odyssey count?
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>>276916818
Yes, although that's a bit more casualized so it's easier to enjoy it now.
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>>276916620
hows elminage gothic?
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>>276916962
Too archaic and inconvenient for me ;_;

The battles themselves have been easy but actually navigating the map and the interface takes a lot of getting used to.
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>>276916620
Yes. I played MMX and both Grimrock games this year and definitely enjoyed them, even though MMX seems kinda lackluster after LoG
Currently playing Wiz6, plan to start Elminage Gothic after that.
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had some fun with this earlier this year. decent game but i dont care much for dungeon crawlers.
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>Japanese dungeon crawlers for PC with TECHNOLOGY will never be translated
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>>276916620
persona Q

captcha: fuck you
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>>276916620
Yes, if it's done correctly
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Grimrock 2 was fantastic.
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Yes it must have 5 party members or more and lots of classes. Bonus points for races.
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>>276920487
Correctly being none of that turn based combat shit the japs do.
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>>276920592
Would chess be more fun if it was real time?
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>>276916620
Well, some people enjoy Skyrim so I guess it's possible.
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>>276920691
Chess isn't a dungeon crawler so your failed attempt at a comparison has only made you look like a massive retard.
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>>276916769
it is exactly a dungeon crawler, though.
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>>276920754
Disregarding a whole style that brings good balance to gameplay because you want to tap left click like a retard every second makes you an even bigger retard thought.
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>>276920754
>Chess isn't a dungeon crawler
Mate, where have you been?
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>>276916620

For me, it depends.

Is it a first-person dungeon crawler like Legend of Grimrock 2? Then, no, I can't enjoy it.

I can appreciate its craftsmanship, polish and quality. But I can't enjoy it.

I just can't enjoy dungeon crawlers that are first person, like LoG2 or Etrian Odyssey.

But if it's an isometric dungeon crawler like Path of Exile or a third-person dungeon crawler like Demon's Souls, then yes, I can really enjoy it.
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Game dev tycoon says yes
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I don't know about 2014, but I played M&M last year for maybe 40 hours.
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>>276920860
>style
It's not a style. Removing the combat from the immediate play field and making it turn based means the game is no longer a dungeon crawler, it's a JRPG.
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>>276916620
It would be if any of them got localized.

Is that Elminage Original? I loved that game, I might replay it sometime. I haven't been able to find a particularly good dungeon crawler since I played through that and Strange Journey.
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>>276916962
It's alright.

They fucking removed customizable portraits though, which is a fucking staple of the series. At least there's mods to add them.
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Dungeon Crawlers are the only genre that are still (mostly) consistently good since only people who absolutely love them would bother making them.
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I liked Legend of Grimrock 1&2 and I like Etrian Odyssey games.

That's about as far as my experience with the genre goes though.
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>>276921095
It's worth trying foundational first-person dungeon crawlers like early Might & Magics and Wizardry, Eye of the Beholder too.
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>>276920967
So the original dungeon crawlers that defined the genre conventions and were made by a western company were actually JRPGs?
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>>276920967
I haven't played any modern crawlers so excuse my ignorance, but turn-based play can happen in the immediate playing field (assuming this means within the dungeon being crawled.
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>>276920967
It's missing a story, so it's more of a turn-based MOBA game
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>>276921225
No, because the original dungeon crawlers were first person with grid based movement and real time combat. These are the three key factors that must be in a game for it to be classified as a dungeon crawler.

Turn based combat wasn't introduced until later and the games were ruined because of it.
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>>276920592
Turn-based dungeon crawling is better than real-time. Do you even Wizardry?
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>>276916792
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Are there any good dungeon crawl games on Android?
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>>276921362
>These are the three key factors that must be in a game for it to be classified as a dungeon crawler.

I wouldn't say that it has to follow into those very strict traditional gameplay elements.

Dungeon crawler has today expanded to include virtually any RPG game where you literally explore dungeons and gather loot in those dungeons.

That's why games as varied Diablo and Demon's Souls are also considered dungeon crawlers today.
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>>276921362
>No, because the original dungeon crawlers were first person with grid based movement and real time combat.

Ultima, Might & Magic and Wizardry say you're wrong.
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>>276921362
>the original dungeon crawlers were first person with grid based movement and real time combat
But if I don't make a move move then monsters don't either, really weird real time combat.
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>>276920903
Whats the difference? Is it all in the mindset?
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>>276916620
I Picked up Avernum:Escape from the Pit on the cheap the other day, havent had the chance to play it yet, anyone have any experience with it?
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>>276920691

>comparing chess to take turn for "press x to win" shit

Nigga you full quantum m8 i ain't joking
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>>276921403
>Wizardry
You mean the series that is universally regarded as having damaged the genre with its turn based combat?

>>276921483
It must follow those requirements or it doesn't classify. Diablo and Demon's Souls are not a dungeon crawlers, they are action RPGs.

>>276921487
Incorrect. Ultima proves me right because Akalabeth meets those requirements.
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>>276921483
>Dungeon crawler has today expanded to include virtually any RPG game where you literally explore dungeons and gather loot in those dungeons.
>That's why games as varied Diablo and Demon's Souls are also considered dungeon crawlers today.
No no no

None of those are dungeon crawlers. Diablo is just an ARPG, a hacknslash (if you're old school) or a Lootemup. Demon's Souls is another ARPG. If it is action based combat it cannot be a dungeon crawler
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>>276921623
Well, I like seeing my characters perform their attacks and move and what not whenever I'm playing these games.

Again, this is just a personal preference, but it also applies to other genres as well.

I can appreciate the quality and craftsmanship of games like Metroid Prime, but I can never play them more than once or find the kind of enjoyment I get when I play sidescrolling Metroid games like Super Metroid or Metroid Zero Mission.
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>>276916620
EO games are pretty popular so I'd say yes.
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>>276921581
>But if I don't make a move move then monsters don't either, really weird real time combat.
That's not a dungeon crawler, that's a roguelike.
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>>276921724
>I can appreciate the quality and craftsmanship of games like Metroid Prime, but I can never play them more than once or find the kind of enjoyment I get when I play sidescrolling Metroid games like Super Metroid or Metroid Zero Mission.
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>>276921770
Roguelikes need perma-death (no hard save function) and random dungeons. Not all of these 'not'-dungeon crawlers have these.
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>>276921698
>You mean the series that is universally regarded as having damaged the genre with its turn based combat?

Why do you need to make shit up to prove a point that is non-existant?
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>>276921362
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeon_crawl
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>>276922098
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_game

Call of Duty is an RPG.
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>>276920352
>i post this
>several replies later nothing
im not mad but i guess you guys really only care about shitty anime games
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>tfw casual at non-action games even though been playing mostly them throughout my entire life, still love rpgs and RTS but still suck dick

Easiest game i played was Oblivion and i got wrecked even there for fuck sake.
I even had to cheat at Planescape Tournament in the very end of the game because shadows raped me for 3 hours straight(my mage was shit).

How do i get into Might and Magic? Last time it didn't go well(was the 4th one i think) or something similar? Been in a mood for first person stuff.
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>>276922273
You posted a statement saying you enjoyed a game.

Did you want people to suck your dick over it or something?
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>>276922273
You already said pretty much everything there is to say about it. Decent game but nothing special.
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I liked Might and Magic X. More than 6 through 8 even, those games had some horrendous combat.
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>>276916620
剣の街の異邦人 was pretty good.
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>>276922362
That's odd. I generally think of action games as much harder since reaction time matters a lot and some people are just born with good reaction time while others can never have it
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>>276920352
Played the second one on a crappy mobile phone a whole bunch of years ago. It was awesome.
Fucking love IDsoft mobile games. The DOOM RPGs and the Wolfenstein one were so fucking awesome as well.
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>>276922449
Maybe you'd like MM3 and 4 & 5 better. They don't waste your time with relentless monster spam.
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>>276922464
I want to play this but it is only in Japanese =(

Translation patch for the PC ver when? Probably in 6 years
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>>276922464
You forgot to type out the subtitle.
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>>276922464

The cover doesn't seem too gay for weebshit.
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>>276920395
Good. That monster design is awful
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>>276922584
Probably never.
>>276922617
How is it weebshit? It's directly inspired by western shit.
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>>276916792
>>276921439
I really want to like Grimrock and it's very good for the most part but god do I hate the real-time combat there.
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=828454

Translate this game, /v/. Great art.
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I just beat Grimrock 2 and it was fucking awesome.

So yeah, definitely.

Dungeon crawls tap into the very core passions of man- Exploration of the unknown, combat, danger, and rewards beyond imagination.

Will probably start playing Dungeonmans or Lords of Xulima soon.
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>>276922518
It's fuzzy but i think i actually got worse at such games over time. I remember beating some HOMM3 campaigns long ago. Decided to play that shit recently and I've been stuck on very first RoE campaign(where you need to flag all griffon dwellings) for a really long time.

Guess i'll go play Saboteur and maybe check out Might and Magic 10, heard mixed stuff but since it's new i might power through it somehow.
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>>276922984
>Dungeon crawls tap into the very core passions of man- Exploration of the unknown, combat, danger, and rewards beyond imagination.
Also, endlessly repeating textures and humans/monsters as cardboard cut outs
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>>276916620
I play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup.
But "enjoy" is a strong word to use.
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>>276923019
MMX is a bit cheap in certain places (by certain places I mean almost entire endgame on high difficulty setting) and, IIRC, it pretty much requires minmaxing, so be prepared.
I still loved it, though.
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>>276920352
I really enjoyed that game but I never finished it. Shame, really; maybe I ought to dig it out once again.
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>>276922464
>剣の街の異邦人
That's from the Demon Gaze makers no? Care to expland a bit on its mechanics? Currently playing Demon Gaze and if it's a good spiritual successor I may just get it.

因みに、日本語でおk。
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Damn now I want to buy Etrian Odyssey IV but shops are closed. Fuck Christmas.
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>>276916620
>Is it really possible to enjoy a game in 2014?
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>>276923370
Is it the easiest MM game by the way? If it's not then direct me there.

I know it's probably hard to tell but i am not in need of 100% precision here.
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>>276923554
It plays almost exactly the same except the setting/characters are actually interesting. The music is a hell of a lot better too.
I played the 360 version, which is the same as the PC version. I hear the Vita version is different, but I don't know the differences.
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>>276916661
This!SO MUCH THIS!
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>>276916769
What is it than?
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>>276923656
it is pretty easy if you use the most optimal party. It is hell if you don't.
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>>276916962
It's pretty good. Navigating dungeons is a fucking nightmare until you get the goblin map and some repair spells though.
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>>276923683
I've just been browsing their site. They have the exact same races, the wizard you posted earlier got a tweak though, instead of Soul Blast Demon Gaze wizards get Wizard Bolt. Which is kinda ok, but feel so udnerwhelming compared to pure melee damage.

I'm feeling offensive magic is kinda weak. I need to invest precious mana into subpar damage compared to like the samurai's 修羅表式. Am I doing something wrong?
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>>276922584
> =(
Fuck off.
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>>276923970
The entire game revolves around you getting your summon out and fucking shit up with them. Melee warriors are mostly there to stop you from taking damage, support buff them and healers, well yeah.
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>>276922819
Yeah, I get that. It's a bit annoying to keep clicking all the weapons / abilities as soon as they're off cd. Might have been better if they'd just kept it as turn based, though it could also have removed part of the atmosphere. I remember the Minotaur in the first game being pretty fucking terrifying the first time, partly because I panicked with the real-time combat.
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>>276924067
I suppose, yes. Getting Demon Rage onto Mars does make for really big damage numbers, hell she's still my default demon even after having captured 6 other demons.

Also, I need to better proofread my posts.
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These threads are popping up more and more, that's good.

Last night's EO thread increased my hype for finally getting around to playing it to pretty unbearable levels, and now this is only compounding it.
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>>276916620
Grimcock 2
Elminage Gothic
lords of xulima
Might and Magic X
The year have been good.
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>>276924671
Pity the games weren't.
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>>276924671
Elminage Gothic was unrewarding for me. I just didn't grow up on dungeon crawlers besides Eye of the Beholder (and never got very far when I was a kid, only later when I emulated it). And I played EO in my 20s but that is kind of a dumbed down DC compared to Elminage. I can see how maybe Grimrock could be more enjoyable since it seems less obfuscated and more of a modernization of the genre.
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>>276920395
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>>276916620
for me it is. also, great choice, OP.
Elminage is dope.
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>>276916620
whoa wait, Elminage Gothic has been localized?
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are there any animations in Elminage Gothic or is everything a still image?
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>>276925108
It's also for PC
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>>276916620
Elminage Gothic seemed alright but it just made me want to play Wizardry so I went and played Wiz 6 for the first time earlier this year and ended up spending over 100hrs with it. Amazing experience. I was too burned out after to get far into 7 but my experience with 6 in the year of our lord 2014 answers your question.
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Anyone played Crimson Shroud for the 3DS? It was a short but VERY sweet dungeon crawler. I wish we got a full game with the mechanics, dat music, dem designs.
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>>276925117
most enemies are a still images. spells and sword slashing etc. are animated.

it's like a classical wizardry game. digging it.
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>>276925207
How long did it take you until you realized you had to break down that crystal path block from several different locations? Did spend 4-5 hours rolling your party to have 16+ starter stat points for each party member?
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>>276924960
ok, so why are you fighting an amazoness bikini wrestler a dragon knight and a samurai at the same time? Are all encounters this ridiculous, or is this an intentional image?
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>>276925178
damn, nigga!
I just saw it on steam. hell yeah, gonna buy that shit. I loved Elminage Original on PSP.
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I'm a weebmaster omega. Outside of Etrian Odyssey, Demon Gaze, and 7th Dragon, are there any other (translated) dungeon crawlers with cute anime drawings out there? Preferably with loli, but it's not an absolute requirement.

Elminage seems okay-ish from what I'm seeing in this thread. Someone said you could usually change to portraits to whatever you want?
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I've played Might and Magic 6 for a total of 100 hours at least, but I've never finished it
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>>276922837
look good. Can't find any torrent of it.
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>>276925327
holy fuck. it's like you never played a fantasy RPG before.
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Should I play Lands of Lore or Anvil of Dawn first?
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>>276925406
http://www.play-asia.com/ken-no-machi-no-ihoujin-shiro-no-oukyuu-first-print-edition-paOS-13-49-en-70-7v69.html
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>>276922837
since we talk about translations:
when will Wizardry Dimguil finally receive a translation?
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>>276916620
>Is it really possible to enjoy a good game in 2014?
gee I wonder
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>>276925524
Whenever it gets a port to a modern platform in Japan maybe?
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>>276925312
The crystal I figured out pretty quickly actually. I'm usually bad with that stuff but it just clicked for me. I didn't do much stat rerolling to make my party, just enough to get the classes I wanted, but I did a metric fuckton of saving, leveling, and reloading to get the right stat increases to make my party powerful. They all ended up with max stealth, kirijitsu and most of the spells from all the schools.
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>>276925515
last time I bought an untranslated game was Zwei 2.
Never again.
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>>276924102
real time combat is an essential part of what makes a classic dungeon crawler. dungeon master had it, eob had it, they all had it.
I do understand why some people would prefer turn based combat but for me it would blow big time and would ruin the dynamics of the game.
grimrock is basically a tribute to old crawlers and as such it wouldn't make much sense to have it any other way.
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>>276925594
I won't bet on it. You could consider yourself lucky when Devil Summoner Soul Hackers got a portation but this is too obscure right now so anything but fantranslation seems not to be likely.
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>>276925693
Too stupid to change your locale?
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>>276925751
except Zwei 2 came up with a really intrusive drm. I had to pirate it to finally play the game.
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>>276916620
If you liked them back in the 1990's, you'll probably still like them now.
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>>276925702
Or they could actually learn from the past and have both on a functional level, like M&M.
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>>276925890
well sure, as long as they don't make it turn based only.
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>>276925650
Kirijutsu is really powerful coupled with lots of swings per turn. Works the same in Wiz 7 but got (rightly) nerfed in 8. Still very useful, but you need to make proper stat allocations for crits to proc often in 8.
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What's are some good starters for someone looking to get into these types of games?
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>>276926230
legend of grimrock 2
then onto grimrock 1, eye of the beholder 1-2 and lands of lore.
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>>276926230

Eye of the Beholder 1 (voice acted version) is at the same time one of the best games ever made, one of the best games of this type, and easily accessible to newcomers to the genre (not as hardcore as EotB or Wizardry)

Big Recommends.
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>>276926230
>>276926374

I meant Lands of Lore 1 , not Eye of the beholder 1, my bad
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Post your favorite dungeon themes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f634BBYgEPE
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>>276926473
what
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>>276921698
>Wizardry
>universally regarded as having damaged the genre with its turn based combat

This might just be the dumbest, most over opinionated post i've read all year.
Holy shit.
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>>276926739
Oh look, another newfag to the genre.

No one who actually cares about dungeon crawlers holds any respect for the Wizardry series, not gamers or devs.
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>>276926834
You seem to be confusing your opinion for universal truth.
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>>276926937
>opinion
I can see why you and your fellow uneducated weebshit lovers would wrongly assume that, especially if you're recommending garbage like Wizard and Lands of Lore.

I bet you'll even start saying Class of Heroes is good.
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>>276926937

BECAUSE IT IS YOU FUCKING RETARD.

If even HALF of you fucking SHIT FOR BRAINS had the taste that I had, this industry would be saved.

Wizardry is GARBAGE, and you're KILLING the genre by liking it.
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>>276927156
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>>276927156
>being this butthurt because people don't like your terrible series
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Just download Shining in the Darkness and emulate it on your PC. Even a toaster could run it.
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>>276927129
>All these assumptions
>being this much of a sanctimonious manchild because someone doesn't share your taste

I just got in to the thread and haven't recommended anything, least of all "weebshit".
Must be a burden to carry around that giant chip on your shoulder just because of turn-based combat or whatever.
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Is the story in Elminage Gothic good or is it nonexistent?
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>>276927491
Been playing it for a while, and it's been pretty nonexistent so far. I mean, it's there, but it just feels like background fluff justifying me running around killing shit in dungeons.

Just the way i like it
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>>276927441
Heaven forbid that people be aware of what a real dungeon crawler actually is.

Then again, you're probably fine with your fellow retards claiming Diablo is a dungeon crawler.
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How come Elminage Gothic have mixed reviews on Steam? What's wrong with it?
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>>276927923
Archaic UI.
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>>276927923
"Too hard", "Too archaic", "I don't know what to do", "I keep getting lost", and "Bullshit mechanics" are pretty much 99% of the complaints.
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>>276927923
The port's based off the PSP version rather than the 3DS one, meaning that the extra stuff/improvements with the 3DS version aren't there.

No custom portraits, although i think it can be modded in.

Unsurprisingly, a lot of people bitching about difficulty and mechanics.
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>>276927129
>garbage like Wizard and Lands of Lore
Never played Wizardry but LoL is remembered fondly by crawler fans, gamer and reviewers alike.
Don't call it garbage and then pretend like it's some sort of an objective truth and then go onto basing your opinions on your own claims.
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>>276927923
nothing at all. Casuals are just shitting all over it because they can't deal with the clunkiness of a decent first person dungeon crawler.

>ablloooooblooobloo it's not like Skyrim and it doesn't wipe my ass bloooblooo

>>276927491
only played Elminage Original so far and the story wasn't too bad. you get this weird compass mechanic too so you look for an item to bring it back. basically the king gives you a fetch and kill mission all the time.

Characters are charming.
this devil bitch is my favorite. so qt.
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>>276927923
i just checked it out and it looks like a flash mobile game.
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>>276928205
>pretend
Hardly pretending. It's the easiest, most simplified dungeon crawler you could play. It never provides a challenge, its puzzles are practically non-existent and it simplified everything from stats to inventory to the magic system to make it accessible for brain deficient morons so they could go through the voice acted storyline faster.

Probably why you're defending it.
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>>276926834
Dungeon Master was the single most worst thing that happened to the genre.
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>>276927156
>Wizardry is GARBAGE, and you're KILLING the genre by liking it.

lol. Wizardry was the foundation of the genre, you dumbo.
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>turnbased combat with freedom of movement

or

>realtime combat with tilebased movement


you know which one is superior
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>>276928525
>easiest
Never got the the third floor of the infamous White Tower?
As for it being simplified I'd say that it was pretty much Westwood trying to do something different after losing the D&D license. I love Dungeon Master, EOB 1 and 2 and Lands of Lore as do most people who've played them.
Too bad you have a problem with the game. I'd say you're missing out. Also
>voice acted storyline faster.
Voice acting is bad now? Especially when captain Picard was doing the lead role?
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>>276928740
The latter :^)
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>>276916620
if you have attention span yeah

or youre not a babby
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>>276916620
Dwarf Fortress
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>>276922273
>p-please respond I need the attention
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>>276928786
>captain Picard was doing the lead role
Oh boy, his whole two lines. He said more in Oblivion and that's sad.

And yes, easiest. I had the misfortune of playing through the entire thing and it was insulting how little of a challenge it put up. Dungeon Hack on the easiest settings was harder.
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>>276928740
The latter is superior because every "dungeon crawler" with turn based combat released this year was factually inferior to LoG2, a real dungeon crawler with realtime combat.
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>>276928740
Go and play Wizardry 8 son.
Know what a good RPG is like.
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>>276920592
But western traditional roguelikes with turn-based action are the best dungeon crawlers
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>>276928740
I'm fine with either
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>>276929147
>roguelikes are dungeon crawlers
Here we go again.
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>>276916661
I've been playing this for the first time this week, fuck me its good
>>
the autism is real
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>>276928918
wat
Easy games can be good too. Not that LoL was even that easy. You probably just don't remember using load game a lot.
It was the shit back in the day and did a great job carrying the legacy of the first two EoB-games.
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>>276922464
is this on pc?
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>>276929264
>You probably just don't remember using load game a lot.
You're right. I rarely had to load because the game never presented a situation that left a puzzle unsolvable or a fight unwinnable.

>the shit
It was shit back in the day. Not the shit, just shit.

>carried the legacy
It was an insult to EoB and the genre as a whole.
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>>276929201
Roguelikes CAN be dungeon crawlers
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>>276920395
The remake is coming to Vita and localized.
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>>276929571
Sure they can.
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>>276929126
i was implying that, i have 200+ hours on wizardry 8, shits great
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>>276929648
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>>276920395
Also, game 1 (out of 4) is actually translated on PC.
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>>276929648
Is this real?

Also, 6 chars in the party. Can you use all of them or does only the front row attack?
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>>276929964
Yes. It's a remake of Generation XTH on Vita, called New Tokyo Legacy Operation Abyss.
Attacking is just like Wizardry, you need ranged weapons for back rows (3 on the right).
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>>276929293
see >>276922837
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>>276930173
Looks pretty fun, i'll probably pick it up eventually.
If i ever stop procrastinating and finish my Elminage Gothic playthrough.
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>>276930404
thank you
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>>276926473
Dark spire ost is great
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>>276930567
They're all Wizardry style games, but different approach.

Oh btw Stranger of Sword City >>276922837
and this >>276930173 is made by same company. A Vita version is coming for the former. It might be localized in future since NISA seems to be picking up their games. Demon Gaze and New Tokyo Legacy in particular.
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>>276930950
>It might be localized in future since NISA seems to be picking up their games.

This is not necessarily a good thing. Every time NISA touches anything, it's basically russian roulette with the odds heavily stacked against you.
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>>276930950
Guess i timed my Vita purchase well then.
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>>276931225
Demon Gaze came out fine, but only because the publisher they negotiated with for the localization in the first place put them to strict guidelines to follow for localizing it.
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http://store.steampowered.com/app/294440/
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>>276931398
I am aware. As you tacitly admit, that is an exception to their general rule of ruining everything they glance at.
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>>276929443
You seem overly autistic about your opinion, trying to make it come off as a matter of fact.

You didn't like a game, big fucking deal, you also went across insulting Wizardry as a series earlier, so I would say you just don't like the genre and don't need to be in this thread.

Oh, and merry christmas shithead.
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>>276931225
Well I'm importing so it doesn't affect me.
Hope it'll turn out well, I like the company.
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>>276931543
This looks nice, is it good?
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>>276931698
>>276931543
But shadowgate isn't a dungeon crawler, fuck, are you so young you don't even know what shadowgate is?
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>>276931662
>being this autistic and butthurt because people don't like your factually terrible game
>resorting to insulting other because you cannot defend your self against hard facts
>claiming others don't like the genre when you personally recommend terrible games and even ones that don't belong to the genre

I guess you can't be helped. Enjoy your ignorance.
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>>276931246
Only the Tokyo Legacy game is confirmed, but the rest will probably come if sales are good.

Aslo, are you the same anon in Vitagen?
If not and if you are going to pick EU PSN, go check out the 50% off deals. Other PSN may have other stuff.
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>>276916620
>ctrl+f
>Grimrock
>11 matches

I'm glad /v/ doesn't have completely shit taste
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>>276931812
I bet you don't think mass effect is an rpg either
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>>276932235
Grimrock is a puzzle game set in a dungeon.
Play Kings Field
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>>276932136
I'm not the same anon, so thanks a lot for the tip.
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>>276930173
If i remember right the first generation xth game got translated.
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>>276932276
You jackass, Shadowgate is an adventure game, it's a point and click adventure game.
You being completely retarded doesn't change the fact that it's just an adventure game.
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>>276932490
Oh you really need to check them out then.
I saw sales on JP and EU stores already.
Haven't check out the rest.

Also, since you are new, keep in mind that some of the old games have gone on sale before and may go on sale again.

>>276932553
Yup: >>276929842 I think the link is still up on Etrian Odyssey General in /vg/
It's not difficult to find anyway.
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>>276932604
This thread is full of kids who don't know what a real dungeon crawler is. You could tell them Borderlands is one and they'd believe it.
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>>276924864
>>>276916620 (OP)
Pity you're a faggot
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>>276925702
>real time combat is an essential part of what makes a classic dungeon crawler
Not really.. just a part of what makes a good Dungeon Master style game.

Plenty of crawlers around, there are some great ones with TB combat
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>>276924913
Not really a modernization

Stuff like Grimrock \ Dungeon Master focus on more on atmosphere\puzzles. Stuff like EO , Elminage, Wizardry are more about combat.
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>Not buying Might & Magic X, Lords of Xulima, both Grimrock games, Wasteland 2, Elminage Gothic

Do you want the dungeon crawl genre to die?
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>>276916620
Yeah. Far better than any of the "triple A" trash we get today. I like playing games and not movies.
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>>276934048
*nods respectfully*
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>>276934048
I spent 2 hours creating my party in elminage gothic when it came out on steam. Still had more fun than playing DA:I for 30 mins
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>>276934048
Is this irony
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>>276934002
I hate to be an artfag, but Xulima looks too much like dogshit. The devs should've taken time to polish up the presentation in that game.
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>>276916620
If you're not a fucking kid
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Yeah it's called Dark Souls

Turn based combat is a relic of the past and only works for SRPGs.
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>>276935626
When you are a real adult you'll find you don't have time for the tedious, lengthy process of gaming that dungeon crawlers provide
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>>276935726
>implying that your time is valuable
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>>276935726
I cleared Elminage Original in 80 hours.
That's just 2 games instead of one, it's not that much to be honest. Especially considering there are only a couple of these every year. If you're lucky.
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Are there any dungeon crawlers that play like Elminage Gothic, but have animated monsters instead of still images?
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>>276935398
You should give it a go- it looks better in motion.
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>>276932016
>hard facts
See, you can't differentiate between your own subjective opinions and actual facts and as such your dialectic is really annoying. If stuff like the main characters being voice acted in LoL is what in your opinion makes the game shit then you have some soul searching to do, friend.
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>>276937316
Experience's games sometimes have animated monsters.
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