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It's ogre /v/.

We've hit peak vidya.
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>People aren't buying shit games anymore

What a shame.
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>>275809543

the games suck shit. thats the problem. they fucking suck shit with 0% innovation. look at Starcraft 2. what is the difference between SC1 and SC2? nothing-- just nicer graphics and new units. that is 0% innovation mah niggas ya feel me? blizzard didnt add anything new to a game that was developed in the 90's-- no cover system, no moral, no modifiers to accuracy-- nothing doggy, just the same way it was in '98 but with shittier units and nicer graphics. fucking table top warhammer 40k is more dynamic
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>Console gaming
Literally don't give the shit's I'm pushing out right now. Meanwhile how is PC gaming doing?
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>>275809543
Is it any surprise? This gen lacks any originality, it's all ports of old games
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>>275809543
how about making good games and stop porting games that came out fucking a year ago. until that's fixed. im gonna play some ps2/gamecube games i missed out.
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>people aren't buying Cod 14 or assasins creed 12

OH FUCKING NO!
GAMING IS OVER!!
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>>275809543
I really hope there is another crash so it can weed out the shit developers and maybe people will try to experiment a little more like they used to.
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2ND CRASH INCOMING
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Death to consoles once and for all!


Thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUFWXpYJKaI
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Maybe if the games weren't AAA marketing trash then people would buy them more.

Also consoles are a thing of the past now, as much as /v/ refuses to admit it.
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I love how they genuinely believe Microsoft cutting prices too quickly is the problem.
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how can growth slow with all the new female gamers developers are attracting with their more socially conscious games????

:^)
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>>275809543
>Activision Blizzard
NIGGA WHAT?
This has to be a troll. Blizzard doesn't have anything to do with CoD, their parent company, Activision does, sure. But not blizzard.
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>>275809543
>definitive edition
>reharsh
>rushed release
>overhyped product
>unpiratable so no console sales oversea
>online service that never accomodate third world

GEEEEEE I WONDER WHY!?
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>>275810581

http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/video-game-industry-struggles-to-grow-a-year-after-new-console-launches/

> In a bright spot for the industry, the spending trends over the Internet continue to favor a disc-less world of downloads. Spending on titles and additional game add-ons over the Internet surpassed $1 billion last month, a 23 percent increase over last year that was helped largely by Black Friday and Cyber Monday deals, according to competing industry watcher SuperData Research.
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>>275810581
More successful than consoles, but only because of cancer.
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>>275811287
Imagine the golden age we would be in if Activision never squired blizzard
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Not surprising.

Not only has there been less games released this year, but the quality of them has been lower. A lot of them have been rehashes or ports too.

On top of all of this, we have publishers constantly lying about games and decreasing consumer trust. We've got developers releasing buggy games, games that have been butchered before released so the removed content can be readded as DLC, and on a few occasions we've literally had unfinished games that took over a month to fix released.

When business practices like this become common, people are naturally going to become very wary of spending money.
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>>275811382
thats true. havent bought a box a long time always digital download pirate mostly
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>Possible crash
Please god yes
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>>275810975
Dance thread?
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>2014 in general.
>Portstation 4 getting 90% ports and remasters, 10% new "games."
>Xbox One is still kinda just there.
>2015 promises more ports and remasters with few actual new games.

Is this it, /v/? What we finally reached the tipping point?
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>>275809543
>We've hit peak vidya.
There was nowhere to go but down after W101.

Seriously though that article is retarded
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maybe if people stop blowing all the money on marketing and stop rehashing the same game over and over again, things may not have looked so bad.
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>Nothing managed to kill WoW
>waggle was the last great vidya "innovation"
>online play for console/handhelds was the last real great vidya innovation
>Graphics have reached their peak
>next gen hardware barely an improvment over last gen
>AAA games are so expensive to develop they dont return a profit
>Half the series you know and love are stagnating or dead
>Japan went full isolationist nippon otaku pandering
>casual apps and cinematic non-games are here to stay
>bullshots/day 1 dlc/p2win/pay2play

This is the true bubble burst. Ask yourself; what games are you looking forward to?
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Vidya peaked at the PS2 and the DS on the handheld front, it's been all down hill from there.
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>>275809543
>Microsoft cutting prices is a bad thing.
>the Xbone would probably be destroyed by the PS4 by next year.

Holy shit this industry, man. One of the reasons why software revenue grow is slowing down is because the brutal over nickel and dimes. Gamers pockets are getting drier by the day, and they can't afford to buy too many games at once.


And the vidya industry still won't crash because mobile and PC market f2p/social games take up a majority for app/online video game market
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>>275809543
>We've hit peak vidya.
Good riddance. The last seven years have been abysmal other than a very few exceptions.
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>>275811967
Halo 5
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I keep saying there are no good games anymore.

Off the top of my head the only sort of mainstream game I enjoyed was Sniper Elite 3.
But what I enjoyed a hell of a lot more was Munin, an indie puzzle game. Everything else I've been playing this year has been older games.
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>>275811967
>AAA games are so expensive to develop they dont return a profit

Where the hell did you get this? Even Watch Dogs was profitable.
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Lets party like its 1998 and games are good again!
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>>275811967
Monster Hunter and Street Fighter 5.
Also Bravely Second and La Mulana 2.

Japan still delivers. The pandering is a problem though.
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>>275811967
honestly, I'm looking forward to more fire emblem games from japan

its the only game series that I still enjoy
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>>275809543
>time to burn it down and start all over, strap in boyos
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>>275811967
Right now all I care about is Persona 5, and who knows? Maybe that will change if the gameplay looks bad.
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ITT edgy teen kids
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>>275809931
I see tons of people buying indie games, anon.
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>>275811967
>nothing managed to kill WoW
This disappoints me. For what it was, it deserved a graceful death. Also lets not forget all the social agenda pushing.
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>>275811967
Tree of Savior

Yeah I know
>nexon
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>>275812665
>Nexon
>Console and Mobile
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>>275811967
the witcher 3
hatred
new batman
...
fuck.
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remember when the npd stopped publishing statistics to the public a few years ago? it was because the sales were so bad that publishing it would have negative effects on the industry. we hit the peak long ago
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Maybe it has to do with all next gen games being shit at the moment?
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>>275811967
>Graphics have reached their peak

They haven't its just lazy ass developers catering towards these underpowered consoles still
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your face when vidya crash is happening
>mfw
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>>275811420
Blizzard would still just be metzen with a league of mindless synchophants. As anyone with any talent, ability, imagination, or creativity left blizzard years ago.
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>>275813094
>lazy ass developers
No it's poorfag consumers who are playing on consoles or PCs that are as powerful as consoles. It's got nothing to do with the devs.
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>>275812489
I'm sure, because those people know quality.
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>Valve slowing down and saving costs
>Nintendo going into the panic bunker and just living off fans
>Microsoft trying to build some shelter for the storm
>SONY getting their last dudebro bucks in

The storm is coming.
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>Console gaming is dying
>Press F to pay respects
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It's because the games aren't good
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It has to happen. Video games are fucking stagnant. The industry is bloated, corrupt and indulgent.

It's time to drain the swamp of San Francisco and Seattle hacks so the industry can thrive again.
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>>275813163
>we are crashing the industry
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>>275810475
bw and hots are two entirely different games, they have similar core concepts but they work completely differently. im sorry you're a relictard who loves pretending he's good at strategy games with an apm of 15 while picking the next unit to produce out of a hat
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>>275810475
The problem with SC2 was that it was too different. If it was prettier SC we would have loved it. Different isn't always better. You don't see baseball being "innovated" every year.
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>>275813194
A lot of developers push out ugly looking console ports which run badly even on more higher end hardware still

Catering towards shitty hardware is an issue though but nowhere near as bad as poorly done console ports
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>>275813163
>>275811608
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>>275813404
They cater to wherever the money is. It's the consumers who are holding them back, not the other way around.
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>all the big publishers are commissioning games targeting demographics that don't exist
>piracy is blamed for low sales
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>>275813326

>2010

Holy shit, two years before Mass Effect 3... This guy predicted it all.
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>>275811967
>Ask yourself; what games are you looking forward to?

MGSV
Zelda U
Xenoblade Chronicles
Hoping for some surprise indies

That's it. It's still a grim future full of rehashes nonetheless.
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>>275811967
Captain Toad
Zelda U
KH2.5 when I get a PS3
Monster Hunter
La Mulana 2
FFXV if I ever decide to get a PS4, which I won't for just this one game
Arkham Knight

Honestly vidya's looking up if you're a pc user, and there's a bit more stuff to look forward to on wiiu and ps4
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I called this shit near the middle of the PS3/360 era.
Nothing on the PS4 or 360 even looks slightly more advanced than the previous generation and we're honestly just playing the same shit over and over again. How many fucking Assassins Creed games can people stomach?

Almost every previous console generation managed to progress in at least something.
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>>275809543
Maybe because all the games coming out now are ones people already played last year.
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>>275811608
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>>275813378
Uh, I was bored with starcraft ten years ago. Prettier SC wouldn't have done anything for me.
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>>275813293
The big 3 and volvo have enough cash and a strategy to weather the storm.

Big publishers would have the largest losses but some can take the punch (EA and Ubisoft probably will survive, though much smaller than they are now).

But the smaller studios ( ie Gearbox, CD Projekt) and indies who are gonna get stuck in the rain and likely wiped out.
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>>275811967
AAA games are only so expensive because publishers are retarded Jews.
They through hundred of people at something with awful management and communication and expect them to pump out stuff every year, and game costs are also like 60% marketing.
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>>275813326
Fucking hell he was accurate to a T.
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>>275813791
why is shaggy's head small as fuck
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>older generation become disenchanted with the same shit shoveled in their face over and over again. also not fans of being shit on by the industry
>new generation is either engrossed in freemium mobile games or watching their favorite youtube e-celeb play through a game for them

And nothing of value was lost.
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>>275809543
Even though I'm mostly a console gamer, I kind of wish they'd die so I could go to full on PC gaming.

The problem is PC never gets the exclusives. There's too many console games I like that PC never gets. Until everything is on PC I'm chained to consoles.
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>>275813326

Clearly a time traveler.
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>entire community now runs on nostalgia
>muh sequel, muh remake, muh rehash
>thinking it will survive

When was the last time you are genuinely hype for a new game and the said new game turned out to be fantastic?
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>>275813943
>shaggy
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This year has been awful for video games. Consoles forcing PC version downgrades, broken games being shipped, HD rerelease of games less than a year old...truly awful.
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>>275809543
>Hardware sales at US retail stores feel 23 percent [...] games sales managed to almost break even with a 2 percent decline...

So are they including Steam/PSN/XBL or is it retail only? Because I have a feeling the growing PC market [read: steam] is causing problems for consoles.
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>>275810581
Pretty good, it's more lively than ever. Number of petitions for console ports is growing.
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Who says the crash will be good? Chances are it'll just wipe out of all the other indie or mid-budget devs who actually care, giving more breathing room for the big 3 and the AAA devs than ever before.
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>>275813163
I'll only be happy when America crashes as well.
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>>275814053
Monster Girl Quest 3
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>>275810475
It's because everything has been done. There's literally no where left to go besides stupid gimmicks like 3D and VR Headset bullshit.
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>>275813870
And on the other hand, some fat faggot decides to beg on Kikestarter and gets over 3 million. Spends it all on a demo and then begs for 5 million more.

That's a much more sustainable model, right?
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>>275813326
>muh muh muh exclusive gaming club

Fucking retarded ass post
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>>275811967
Bloodborne
P5
MGSV
Zelda
Splatoon
possibly Silent Hills
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>>275814053
Journey
Xenoblade
Probably a few others, so not too long ago.
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>>275814204
I just want the entire North American vidya industry burned to the ground. They are the cancer.
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>>275813326
>the time traveler got banned for being right
I'm going to go play Dead Space and think.
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this is what happens when out of touch business men think that throwing more and more money into a video game makes it better
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>>275809543
>Jews struggle to rehash games to please goys
>SJWs still trying to convince everyone gaming is dead
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>>275809543
Good.
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>>275814209
Allah akbar brother.

We shall see the fall of the west in our generation.
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>>275814053
And here's the part where no matter what people respond to your post with, you'll greentext saying implying it was good. Am I right?
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>>275811967
Fallout 4
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>>275814124
nigga thats his name
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>>275809543
they need to price cut ps4 xbox one down to 110 dollars and I'll buy it then.
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>>275809931
>>People aren't buying shit games anymore

Oh, they're still buying them, just not as much.

It's not all or nothing like you guys want it to be. It's been a successful year, just not as successful as others.
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>>275814053
Metal Gear Rising, Stick of Truth and Dark Souls 2.
Only 2 of those turned out to be good.
Fuck From
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>>275814204

Indies and mid-budgets are doing better than they ever have. It's the AAA that spend tens or hundreds of millions and don't make a good return that are crashing.
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PS4 and Xbone full of rehashes and shovelware

>Wii U somehow actually gets some new content
>everyone continues to buy PS4s and Xbones

The consumers did this to themselves, meanwhile PC is always getting new shit.
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AAA studios have become bloated, blind monsters.

Developer teams used to be small and tight; they shared a vision and all strove to see that vision through. Nowadays developers have hundreds of people, all of them with their own little agendas and only concerned with pushing their own little pet projects and no guiding direction except for the suited corporate bloodsucker merchants above them clamoring for how WE WANT THE GRAND THEFT CAWADOODY WITCHERIM 5 AUDIENCE!!! MAEK A GAME LIKE THAT

I bet working at a major developer is a lot like a Dilbert cartoon, where everyone specializes in not doing anything and passing the buck around for not doing shit. I can just imagine entire weeks at Blizzard HQ where literally nobody is doing a fucking thing besides eating pizzas and jacking off while WoW just keeps on printing money.
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>That feel when you're excited for one, literally one single upcoming game
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>>275814283
What inafune does can hardly be called AA or indie
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>>275813858
My opinion is exactly opposite, I think big studio are the first to leave. Why bother in business that generate a little profit anymore when you can invest in anything else?

The small would stuck but survived.
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>>275814361
Yeah lets head to europe

1. FIFA
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5000. football manager
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9001. games
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Dance thread? Dance thread.
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>>275814484
There's a giant asterick in that. Indie devs are taking a huge chunk of the pie but it's only the top 0.1% of indie devs making significant cash.

Already you see indie devs leaving the scene because of over saturation in greenlight and on Steam.
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>>275811382
>internet=/=PC

That's including consoles.
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>>275814204
> Chances are it'll just wipe out of all the other indie or mid-budget devs

Not if they've bunked down first.
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>>275814483
>stick of truth
>good
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>>275814494
Even PC is being ruined by jew faggotry but at least you'll always get a few decent indie games that aren't 2D retrohash shit like Fez and can avoid AAA stuff unlike on consoles
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>mfw consoles die and PC+Handheld becomes the future
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Do any of the big three have anything to worry about? If Microsoft Game Studios goes down under, Microsoft can always fall back on Windows and PC. Nintendo could always return to its toy-making roots and live by selling toys, figures, merchandise, etc. of their IPs. Sony still has its entire movie division and can live off of that.

Really, the only people I'd say that would need to be worried about a crash are companies like SEGA, Capcom, Square Enix, etc.
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Maybe if console exclusives didn't suck shit this year.
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>>275814427
That Fred and Velma, Shaggy is not in it.
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>>275814789
>that game you like
>good
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>>275814669
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>>275809543
>the problem?

Maybe it just has to do with the fact that 2014 was horrible year for gaming, and released nothing of note other than clunky, unfinished, downgraded "AAA" games that attempted to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

Maybe people don't want to play $60.00-$100.00 for interactive movies that are made up of 40% day 1 DLC.
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>>275814910
That is*
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>>275811967
Splatoon and Xenoblade Chronicles
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>>275814427
Shaggy is the stoner that hangs out with Scooby
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>>275814910
>Velma,
STOP
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>>275809543
Sales are down because there's nothing to buy.

Half the "big releases" this year have been current gen ports of last gen games, HD remasters of games from two gens ago, and sequels of big franchises that are barely changed from the predecessor.

Seriously, how many original games that wasn't one of these got released this year? The only one I can think of that got any major press coverage was Watch_Dogs.
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>>275813326
holy shit he was right
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This is the future, this is your destiny
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>>275814865
PC's will go down with the consoles. How else are they going to get all their console hand-me-down ported garbage?
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Is the crash happening?
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>>275811967
>Ask yourself; what games are you looking forward to?
Bloodborne
Serious Sam 4
Silent Hills
Scalebound
Batman: Arkham Knight
Star Wars: Battlefront 3
HUNT: Horrors of the Gilded
The Division
Metal Gear Solid V
Uncharted 4
King of Fighters XIV
River City Ransom: Underground
Let It Die
Pillars of Eternity
Mount&Blade 2
Kingdom Come: Deliverance
Last Year
Hover: Revolt of Gamers

There's guaranteed to be others I'm forgetting. Seriously, fuck your retarded pessimism, all of you.
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>>275814669
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>>275815189
PC is eternal, bro. I have a 500 game backlog to deal with.
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Studios and devs with notable IP's will make it through thanks to nostalgia and children, but barely. This mostly includes Nintendo, and maybe several third-party studios who've had close ties to Sony, such Naughty Dog and SE.

This is probably the last console generation; the next generation is going to go full-cloud/PC, where the second and third-party market isn't safety-bubbled by console alliances. I think it's going to nothing but dog-eat-dog in the foreseeable future. Probably bad for devs but good for us since they'll actually have to put effort into their games now. I suspect even more ass-kissing towards Valve and mobile gaming though.
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>>275814204
>Chances are it'll just wipe out of all the other indie or mid-budget devs who actually care
>who actually care
I wish this meme would die already. It's quite possibly the worst one on the internet atm.
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>>275815195

>Let It Die

Fuck you, anon.
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>>275815195
>Looking forward to EA Battlefront 3 and Ubisoft bullshot shit
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>>275814669
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>>275809543
People are finally getting tired of the rehash market they themselves enabled. I would have much rather not had to gone through that period for like the past six or seven years, but at least they finally learned.
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>>275815189
Because there won't be consoles anymore and publishers will just put their games on PC like it should've been from the beginning before the jews took over video games and built $500 anti-consumer proprietary boxes used to herd gamers into 3 different paradigms that can be easily marketed to.
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>>275810475
>MUH INNOVATION
Originality is overrated.
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>>275815189
Nah, PC will survive but Valve will become the new tycoon to replace one of the big 3. Meanwhile one of the big three will finally step out of the console race.
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>>275815060
So you remember who Velma is, but not Shaggy who had way more screen time.
I had to double check and it was Daphne in that gif, not Velma.
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If there's a crash happening should I stock up on PS2 games?

I can only imagine the scalpers will jew every penny out of people's pockets when it hits.
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>>275811414
>MOBAs and F2P
>The new consoles are full of this shit now because Sony and Microsoft saw how it was succeeding on PC

T-thanks PC gamers
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Man I couldn't have chosen a better time to drop vidya, tabletop for life.
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>>275815083
It's quite telling how those "name actually good games that came out in 2014" threads end up with a mere handful of titles.

>>275815312
>cloud
Please no. I know it's bound to happen, but fuck you I'm not touching that shit with a ten foot pole
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>>275815083
destiny
and that was arguably more hyped than watch_dogs
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>>275813326
Literally every single thing is 100% correct. It's really kind of eerie. I'm pretty sure the writing was on the wall at that point though.
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Don't worry, I'll be there to settle this shit again.
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>>275811967
Mortal Kombat X.


That's literally it.
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>>275815083
Was Wonderful 101 this year or last? i forget

Also New consoles being shit doesnt help, they have the same games as the older ones half the time and seem to be unable of 1080p OR 60fps, much less both at the same time
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I bet two of the three will drop out leaving the third to survive for just a couple more years on consolefags who refuse to get a pc.
But with the amount of games out now that don't need a strong pc that people love (MOBA) maybe not.
This was a useless post, have some titties
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>>275815764
It was GOTY 2013
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>>275815564
I'm not the dummy who thought Fred was Shaggy
I just wanted to help you
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>>275813326
Holy shit...how? How did he know?

Prophecy is real.
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>>275815634

>take sister to a comic store because they give out specific comics for free on certain days
>There's a small crowd playing some tabletop game
>people of all ages, kids, middle age, grandpas
>they're having fun
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>le crash meme
why do you still believe in this?
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>consoles dead
>mfw
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>>275815581
Just pirate the games anon.
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>We've hit peak vidya.
We hit that all the way back in the late 90s - early 00s. It's been a downhill slide from 2005 onwards.
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>>275815735
No Miyamoto, you are now a part of the cancer killing games. Please retire so that talented devs Tezuka and Koizumi can actually start making shit that they want to make. No one's falling for your golden goose con anymore.
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>>275811967
>This is the true bubble burst. Ask yourself; what games are you looking forward to?
Honestly sat down the other day and thought about it. Other than the Witcher 3 and the new Batman, everything else is Japanese. I'll buy a good indie game like Shovel Knight or something if it comes around though.
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>>275815176
>Afters years of scoffing family members for playing mobile games you try them out and they are actually really well made
Get a feeling so complicated
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>>275816065
Gaming is in an unhealthy state right now, financially and socially.

It's not wrong to think a crash will happen.
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>>275815962
Didn't some Newgrounds flash video manage to predict a lot of this shit like ten years ago?
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>>275816047
You could be one of them anon

But be warned, miniatures drain your wallet faster than vidya could ever dream to. You need to restrain yourself.
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>>275815962
Probably an honest games journalist who was on the brink of insanity or a higher-end dev disatisfied with the state of the industry.
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>>275816080
No. I like owning physical copies that I earned with my money.
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>>275814204

What a lot of people forget about 1983 crash is that it didn't kill the PC market, that is secret to how Activision/EA suriived the 1983. When Consoles market shat the bed in America, Activision/EA made their bunker in another market to live until Nintendo fixed the console industry.

A crash wouldn't take out the entire vidya industry itself. It would just killed the people who created the bubble or anybody dumb enough to be near the bubble when it pops. Japanese gaming economy was 1000x more stable then what American was in 1980's, which is why Nintendo/Sega took over the industry in 1980's.
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>>275815364
>implying you wouldn't play Battlefield: Star Wars Edition
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>>275813378
Actually, baseball is far more innovative than the current video game industry

this past season, two major rule changes happened
1. Home plate collisions were eliminated
2. Managers are allowed to challenge.

Major sports leagues regularly make rule changes every few years that radically change the way the games played
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>>275815764
Last year.

>>275815958
Well thank you, I got their names mixed up because Velma's gimmick of losing her glasses was more memorable in the original so her name suck out in my head more.
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>>275816210
Do you remember why the gaming market crashed before?
Tell me how we're in that same state.
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>>275816265

What's the average cost of a miniature?
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>>275816265
It's for this reason that I never got into tabletop gaymen. Also I know I'd ruin the first 5-10 model sets with shit painting due to inexperience.

I'm gonna wait until I can pirate them using 3D printers.
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>>275811967
MGSV phantom pain
la-mulana 2
hotline miami 2
SOMA
silent hills
RE revelations 2
street fighter V
mortal combat X
tekken 7
disgaea 5
torment: tides of numenera
killing floor 2
grim fandango

gaming is back!
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>>275816491
That was exactly what Battlefront 1&2 was you pleb
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>>275813326
Written by John Titor
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>>275816210
Games journalism is in an unhealthy state, not gaming. And you are one of many drones indoctrinated by the journalists on this matter.
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>>275816149
But all my great ideas anon.
Look at the cute stuff I created.
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>>275816523
>a market can only crash for one reason and if that reason isn't happening then we're not in danger

oh my, how naive of you anon
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I have a question and I'm sure there's some venerable neckbeard on /v/ that can help me answer it:

Should the video game market crash again and considering that PCs are much more caught up in the shit storm now compared to last time, will we see a backlash in hardware development and production as well? By which I mean: If big budget, bleeding edge graphics games take a fall then will graphics card manufacturers suffer as well?

Without big budget games to push graphics then surely sales of the most expensive cards will suffer, in turn development of the most advanced tech will stymie which would ultimately result in an even slower progression of graphical fidelity than even now. Right?

And to put a silver lining on this: If this does come true will we finally see a return to stylistic presentations when being the best at realism isn't viable anymore?
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>>275816523

It crashed because E.T. was the best game ever.

And now, E.A. will soon be one with the gaming.

The second impact is upon us
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>>275813404
>which run badly even on more higher end hardware still
Nigga, I hate to be a grammar nazi, but this is ridiculous. I really hope English isn't your primary language.
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>>275816550
Depends on what game.

Warhammer? You best be buying everything secondhand.
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>>275816623
Meant to say Battlefield 4.
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>>275816448
Paying for things, where the developer gets zero dollars, and where alternatives of vastly superior quality exist, is fucking stupid.
Buy a printer that can print labels onto cds and make your own.
Then put them into your gaming pc and play them in glorious 1080 with AF and AA, and superior shadow maps + many more features.
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>>275815764
>seem to be unable of 1080p OR 60fps, much less both at the same time

Why is this anyway?

My four year old PC can play modern games at 1080p, 60fps with adequate AA turned on. Why the fuck can't these consoles that came out a year ago do it?
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>people arent buying new games

maybe because they all FUCKING SUCK ASS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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>>275816484
so PC gaming is why Activision and EA still exist?


THANKS MUSTARD RACE
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> console industry struggles to keep cheating customers because they are becoming smart and went to pc gaming already
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>>275816642
>gaming isn't in an unhealthy state

>sony bankrupt
>microsoft failing to market
>wii-u selling like shit
>like the 8th year in a row where vidya profits are DOWN (DOWN AS IN NEGATIVE AS IN FAILING)

Quit being fucking dumb. Gaming may not be dead yet but it has been dying ever so slowly
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>>275815942
You mean GOTY every year
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>>275816550
Depends on the manufacturer, take for example 40k

A single box of Space Marines (10 in there) costs 30 bucks. But by the same token a box of Imperial Guard (20 in there) also cost 30 bucks. Basically you're not paying for quantity, you're paying fro quality. There are much cheaper games out there than GW shit, but chances are you'll be fished in to 40k first.
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>>275816829
pretty sure more consolefats are buying CoD and Dragon Age than PCfats
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>>275813363
I like how you enjoy pretending you're good at STRATEGY games based on twitch reaction speed and having a rote list of hard counters.
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>>275814204
Right here, but I think it's really more of a loop than anything. Games are going to start returning to multiplayer games with tons of replay value and a decent skill cap. The boom of popularity in FPS's and MOBA's were a symptom of this, but online-only console games like destiny only go to further show it's happening. The MMORPG industry is essentially fucked unless they get with the F2P match based style of things. Shit, look at things like Risk of Rain and The Binding of Issac: Rebirth. People just don't want to play a story and then be done with it anymore. They want to shit on other people, or play with friends over and over while only paying once, or not at all.
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>>275811456
Not to mention ballooning budgets that need ludicrous sales of both the game itself and extra content just to make back costs, let alone profit.
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>>275813829
You're bored, many hundred others aren't. Not to mention the weight of it a legit 'sport' in some areas.

Going on the prior anon's baseball analogy, how would you change such a long running game to any extent without fucking it all up?
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>>275816771
>Wanting Star Wars CODfront
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>valve's face when console gaming is dying/stagnating
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>>275809543
great, now maybe we can focus on making good games
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>>275816865
No profits for console manufacturers =/= gaming in an unhealthy state, faggot.
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>>275812313
>playing the Bravely Second demo
It's fun, they changed some neat stuff and the new classes introduced are pretty dynamic. They added sidequests with their own rewards as well as a "beat fights in one round over and over to get bonus EXP/money" system that really complements the use of brave/default.
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>>275810475
Super late but the reason why SC2 is so shit and hated is because the macro is terrible.

Infuse larva and their ilk are frustrating.
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>>275811967
Mighty No 9 on PC
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>>275811382
I want to fucking buy Boxed games but the publisher can't stop sucking dicks and force me to either get a origin/uplay/steam account now why even bother?
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>>275816776
What's the point if I'm already almost done amassing my physical collection?

At this point it would cost more to get the memory card and harddrive then to get those 10 games.

Also
>Emulating
I've got a fantastic CRT TV and console setup. Why would I worry that much about slight graphical improvements when I'm already in comfy mode?
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>ITT: mustards circlejerk and repeat the same phrase over and over again
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>>275816865
>not dead already
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>>275814401
And the dragon will rise from the ashes. Don't think for a moment China will tolerate your shit.
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>>275817156
They're going to become the new industry tycoon and slowly devolve into another EA thanks to their success and greed. Mark my words.
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>>275817370
>slight graphical improvements
>slight
Oh, you're just ignorant.
Well, never mind then
Go about pissing away your money on stupid shit with no real value.
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>>275816227
Yes.
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>>275815464
>being this deluded

You couldn't be further from the truth. They're going to just go to smartphone mobile Candy Crush touch screen shit like everyone else. That's more profitable many times over and they know it. PC gamers never have been a significant portion of the core gaming audience. Look at sales figures for any and all major multiplaform releases. PC always accounts for less than 4% of sales. Why on earth would those publishers waste time on the PC for those kinds of sales when they could make bookoo bucks on iPhones instead?

The day consoles die is the day worth a shit video games die. I haven't bought a console since the PS2 and even I know this. Consoles are a necessary evil.
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>>275816865
SCE is doing fine
Nintendo has backup money to burn
Microsoft is a multibillion dollar corporation
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>>275817156
>my face when the remaining console exclusive games will never get released for PC because they're owned by Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo
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>>275816865
console gaming is dying, I agree
PC gaming keeps growing year by year
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>>275810975
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLE_emfAd74
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>>275810956
The industry already crashed, they've been looking at year over year declines for four years. That's not because of the loss of the Wii either, remove Nintendo and the numbers are even shittier.

They just spin the numbers into a positive while they still can ignoring the fact that the unsustainable AAA business model imploded. Doesn't help that 2014 is a joke of reissues
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>>275817546

The line between PC and phone is blurring, mobile device is the key word here. Actual desktop PCs will remain the way you describe but the majority of people will stop owning desktops during the next decade or so. Even utility/business purposes will be given over to an iPad with a wireless printer.
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>>275809543
>hardware sales down compared to a month that saw two new console releases
well that's just motherfucking shocking
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Nice PC hugbox thread
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>>275813326

If any of you idiots had been here for more than a couple of years you'd know that /v/ has actually gotten better since 2010 now that Reddit has gotten bored of rage comics and the "lol such a nerd" movement has subsided. In 2010 the PS3 had all the major exclusives, how many Wii or 360 exclusives can you name from that year?

Bronies have their containment board, furry has been a thing here for years, and League of Legends and other F2P shit was still huge.
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>>275817537
>that one video where they made a joke about a tomb raider game where Lara earns RPG style stat increasing experience points
>in the new Tomb Raider reboot that came out last year, Lara gains RPG style stat increasing experience points

HOW
DID
THEY
KNOW
!?!?!?
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>>275813618
If mgsv ends up as good as it looks, I'd be fine with that being the swan song of vidya as we know it today. I plan on replaying it several times through anyway. I'm still not convinced that it's actually coming out though.
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>>275809543
>games industry is saturated with two things
>1 rehashes remakes and hd rereleases
>2 SWJ pandering bullshit

Listen.

That new 'majority' of Females that play games they tell you about? They don't play games with strong female characters. They play shitty mobile games like angry birds, candy crush and other shovelware shit like that. They never play the games with the SJW pandering meant for them, only a tiny but stupidly vocal minority of people actually want the SJW your shoveling on them to the extent. These new majority of female gamers that people try to point to as "who this new pandering shit is meant for" WILL NEVER FUCKING PLAY IT.

And actual majority of people that support the triple A gaming market? They're immature fuckheads that like violence, tits and power fantasies and get bored easily, so re-releasing that game they already played last year isn't going to sell very well.


And you fucks have the balls to wonder why the gaming industry isn't growing.
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>>275815189
>PC's will go down with the consoles.

It's not experiencing same contradiction that console industry is dealing with because games with Adware, Freeium, Online Video game is profitable model.
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>>275817920
There's always going to be people who don't want to experience shows, movies and games on a fuckall tiny little screen. In the future you'll have one or two mobile devices and one "big" device monitor, where all media will be interchanged and passed through cloud services.

Hell, it's already like that now.
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>>275818012
>/v/ has actually gotten better since 2010

That won't be true until the SJW shit blows over. Once we have a new boogie-man to hate we should be okay.
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>>275817920
>wireless printer.
>people will still need to print in a tablet ubiquitous world

Even wall-mart now has the option of sending receipts via e-mail.
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>>275815312
Cloud gaming won't be anywhere near practical for decades, and even then I imagine that technology will be advanced enough that it won't be necessary.
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Wait, you meant to tell me that an industry CAN'T just grow indefinitely!?
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>>275817920
>Even utility/business purposes will be given over to an iPad with a wireless printer
While desktops will probably decline in favor of something cheaper and simpler, this won't actually happen in most jobs
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>>275811078
They conveniently left that out of the article. Don't want to blame the growing women gaming community that doesn't buy games tailor made for them.
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Time traveller here from the year 20XX coming to you with more predictions -

In the future, games will be shit.
The people who make games will be shit.
The people who write about games will be shit.
People will think the past was better but the past was really shit too.
That guy who is not doing so well, will be doing better.
You are shit.
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>>275814053
Dark souls 1. Because I didn't know demon souls existed until after it came out.

Dishonored was alright too. It didn't feel like my first time playing mgs1 or anything, but it was pretty good and I'd buy a sequel
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>>275809543
pls crash so we can start again and get rid of the normies
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>>275818203
Most of them, but not all of us; the girls who actually cared about gaming never really supported the SJW to begin with.

Completely agree with you on all accounts though. These devs are chasing an imaginary market with their SJW pandering. It's really not all too different from Nintendo's attempts to reel in casuals with the Wii-U when they all left for mobile gaming. Both were imaginary, short-term markets and not stable sources for long-term revenue.
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Its time.

http://www.valvetime.net/threads/source-2-version-of-dota-2-coming-in-early-2015.245610/
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>>275818012
There are so many console war threads up
Soku is banned
Animal Crossing is banned
off topic threads are in abundance
how is this better
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>>275817920
And why would you want to do any extended media viewing or typing on a shitty little touch screen or play anything more sophisticated than Clash of Clans without proper buttons?
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>>275818203
Also releasing buggy gltichy crashy fucked up games doesn't help.

And sequels sequels sequels everywhere doesn't help.
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>>275818468
screencapped
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>>275809543
Too much focus on graphics

Few exclusives, let alone next gen exclusives
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>>275818203

You do know you're preaching to the choir, right?
>>
gee, they didn't see a problem when Ubisoft released 4 goddamn Asscreeds in one year?
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>>275815764

Because big devs don't see "We hit 1080p and 60 FPS, this is great!" they see "we hit 1080p and 60FPS, tighten up the graphics on level 3, we got plenty of power to spare until this shit is unplayable!"

It's a totally different design philosophy. The visuals in games like those are the main experience, the gameplay is just a vehicle to make the player see flashy screens at the press of a button.

See The Order, where devs INTENTIONALLY aimed for a low framerate but had to increase it so that the game would be at least playable.
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>>275818370
I mean, ever since 2000 VCs and startups have been telling people that exact same lie for any software company.

It seems to still work.
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>>275818235

Yeah you're right.

Traditional consoles and desktop PCs will be supplanted by multi-purpose devices that fill or resemble an existing niche, TVs will have built in game function and mobile devices will take care of everything else.

>>275818342

Wireless printer is just what came to mind.

>>275818445

Naturally in an office environment you can't give your employees something that will reduce their productivity and encourage theft. But you'll have kids writing their book reports on tablets and the like.

>>275818664

All in one TV device.
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>>275817532
I'm sorry we all can't be elitist twats like you.

Call me when you want to play some CvS2 or Fatal Fury, buddy. I play a mean Terry / Blanka.
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>>275818614
I didn't mention that there are girls that just liked games at a base, and didn't need pandered to because, like the guys playing - they didn't need pandered to. I just consider them gamers at a base. Not gamer girls or girl gamers. Just gamers. People that enjoyed what they were taking part in so much that dumb shit like princess peach being kindapped in a bunch of mario games never bothered them.
>>275818674
Yeah that stuff doesn't help either.
>>275818861
Yeah, I know. Meh.
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>>275811967
>>Half the series you know and love are stagnating or dead

This is the worst offender. Hollywood is the exact same way. All the old ideas and characters are just being milked to death and nothing new is being created. This isn't hell, but at least hell allows for a rebuilding of the industry. This is purgatory. We are stuck here, in monotony, forever. Fuck.
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>>275817675
>sony/microsoft/nintendo games divisoins all get bought
>>
Good maybe then they will stop pandering to casuals and work hard at making good games again. But that would be too difficult for modern developers though.
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>>275814209
Its going to be at least 100 more years. And then we are going to be replaced by China. Trust me, if you're European, things will only get worse with China running the show.
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>>275819289
>muh fighting gaemz
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>>275819641
>LBP/Project Spark/Mario Maker, all available on Steam
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>>275819830
>Not playing fighting games
Go back to your Smash Bros threads.
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>>275819329
I seriously don't get that gif, who made that crap.
Why does his ass light the leaf in one direction when the light source seems to point downwards, why does the environmental shadow disappear instead growing harder to se, why there light source is above the bug and not at his ass,.

Nothing makes sense here, shitty 3d is the worst 3d.
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>>275813326
He predicted /co/ better than /v/. /co/ is tumblr 2.0 now. Where /v/ despise the incoming feminists that didn't even play video games, /co/ embraced or tolerated the feminists who didn't know comics until they were completely taken over. This is why elitist is necessary.
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QUICK POST YOUR FACE WHEN SECOND GAMING CRASH
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>>275811967

Half Life 3 and a new Metroid title for Wii U.

I have been waiting so long for Half Life or Metroid content, it hurts.
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>>275819703
>chinese clear out the muslims
>pay stupid prices for fashion and culture

Literally no downside for me. Maybe if I were some kind of idiot who worked in any kind of manufacture or financial service industry I'd be worried but I'm in entertainment.
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>>275820141
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>>275820142
You don't even know what it's like to wait for new metroid content kid.
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>>275819945
It's actually 2D, from an anime. This is 3D.
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>>275814053
Honestly I recently found Yoshi's Island speed running and I've been SUPER hype about that. It's not going to make Nintendo any money but I'll be busy for a few months.
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>>275819908
>Project Spark

Its already on windows and its complete shit
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Just sit back and relax
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>>275820519
there are so many layers in that gif that it might as well be full 3d
its definitively not 2d
its still looks like ass
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>>275819908
Learn Lunar Magic & make Mario ROM hacks until you realize you're shit.
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>>275817886
I want to believe but I don't.
Unless you have legit source for that claim
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>>275820738
Ah well.
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>>275817394
>insulting your core audience
>implying that description doesn't fit the writer to a T
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>>275817920
>The line between PC and phone is blurring...

I hope not. Way I see it vidya is going 3 ways.

- Traditional console, kid friendly games (Nintendo), though probably on handhelds rather than actual consoles.
- Traditional PC, hardcore gamer oriented FPS/strategy/ etc games, distributed digitally and very much
- Mobile based, casual candy-crush cancer.

There's a polarization taking place and the big losers are going to be the half-breeds like MS and especially Sony who made their money by bridging the gap between "traditional" Nintendo type gameplay and full on PC titles. That business model has now failed as casuals have flocked to even shittier iPhone apps for their gameplay.

This is more or less what happened in 1983. Casuals got bored, dropped the fad. Nintendo stepped in catering to kids, but there were still a lot of hardcore PC/Atari/C64 players around.

Only thing I can't figure out is what happens to the "Indie" devs. Personally I think these guys are cancer, and if there's a crash they could swarm up like some kind of fungus and choke everything with their hipster douchery for months if not years, hampering an actual recovery. Worst case scenario, they turn video games into a joke and we all go back to backlogs.

But the worst possible scenario is that the industry gives up and just sells us all old games on emulators or something. This is kind of happening in slow-mo on steam and the Wii right now, and even the Xbox and PS4 are doing it on their stores.

> yfw the industry survival strategy is to make everyone pay to play through their backlogs.
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>>275819329
My apologies for the quick remark, all of the SJW and anti-SJW junk has been getting to my brain. It's hard to tell who's fighting for what anymore.

At least we still have Japan who doesn't care about catering to SJWs since they aren't a viable market. However the weeb pandering has gotten out of hand to the point where they've isolated many of the smaller devs studios almost completely. I hope they aren't the next to fall victim to it since there's been an ongoing trend into tearing down "conservative" gender roles over there and throughout the years.
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>>275813326
>PS3 will be on top
That didn't happen though, if anything it got more shit with all the cinematic games, and the casuals all moved to the PS4.
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>>275809543
GOOD

We can rebuild from the ashes.
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>>275814209
Europoor/edgy teen pls go and stay go
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>>275811456
this, Inquisition had a fatal flaw that would crash the game after about an hour during cutscenes, it just got fixed like 2 days ago, and I've lost interest. Why the FUCK should I the consumer spend $60 on something that doesn't work when I can wait a year, buy it for $20-$30, and it be less buggy/full of all the DLC that shouldn't have been DLC to begin with?
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>>275821165
Haw.
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>>275813326

Some of this stuff was too obvious for it to be impressive in 2010, if he had done it two years earlier it'd be different.
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>>275821150
>Nintendo type gameplay and full on PC titles
Thats kind of condescending, plenty of Nintendo games have complex gameplay and plenty of PC games have simple gameplay.
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>>275821416
Can't disagree with this in the least.
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>just sells us all old games on emulators or something

but i had fun playing Valkyria Chronicles. I wouldn't mind getting some classic PS jrpgs or other assorted games that I never got to play.

They're a hell of a lot better than the pieces of shit BioWare or Ubishit craps out currently.

plus, hey, no need to upgrade my PC parts.
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>>275817920

I really dont see businesses doing accounting with a Pad
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>gamer is no longer a thing, having dead with the invention of iPhone games and "lol nerd" culture replaced it
>we are being plagued by cultural dead-weights like feminists and other groups that don't even play video games but continue to try and shape its nature
>no risks are allowed to be taken, profits mean doing the same shit over and over again until death or destruction, whatever comes first
>anyone with any talent has moved onto other mediums
>the base that supported the industries rise is now the political whipping boy and minority of the market

We have experienced a complete inversion of the medium in only 10 years time. I can't imagine decent programmers and creative developers would want to work on video games when they could be at over a hundred other tech companies that have better pay, hours, and employee appreciation. Video games might not have been an art before but they are as soulless as fast food now. In another 2 years, maybe 3 at max, iPhone games will have completely taken over the industry. Games will shorten, prices will shrink, gameplay will be streamlined, and all but the appearance of craft will be gone. Indie studios will have moved onto the iPhone in near totality and the only actual video game creators left will be AAA studios that churn out COD 101+1 every quarter.

Its over. This is the end.
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>>275819641
the games division is way too valuable to sony. see, they don't care about the playstation. it's just a blu-ray player to sony. it doesn't matter if the games division takes a loss, because all these units sold are only good for playing movies, which is very good news for the company that holds the patent for the blu-ray.
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The 7th gen was the Wrath of the Lich King of video games
The 8th gen is the Cataclysm
There, how's that for an analogy?
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my dream is to make an iphone game that becomes internet famous

is that so wrong, /v/?
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>>275821150
Consoles have very little merit in and of themselves, and mobile games are basically the equivalent of solitaire or minesweeper. Popular, but not anything that will shape the industry for years to come.

PC has a good future ahead of it.
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>>275821150
>- Traditional console, kid friendly games (Nintendo), though probably on handhelds rather than actual consoles.

Nope. The other two options are likely to happen but this won't. The Wii is proof of this, and Nintendo's child taget demographic is growing smaller and smaller each and every single year (with the obvious exceptions like Pokemon, Mario and so on.) Even then, they're still failing to meet standards if Mario Kart 8 and Smash 4's sales are anything to follow. Or perhaps kids don't really care for Nintendo anymore, it's all about Minecraft, Candy Crush and Cawadoody now.

They're going to have to go full-mobile or a combo of mobile and PC eventually. There's no future with handhelds or consoles; it's now reached a point where its severely limiting their success.
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>>275815195
>Scalebound
We know jack shit about this.
>Batman: Arkham Knight
Garbage just like the other arkham games
>Star Wars: Battlefront 3
It's going to be shit.
>Uncharted 4
You still want to play the same game after three others?
>Let It Die
Trash
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>>275816704

No. PC won't suffer from a video game industry crash. Because PC high end GPUs are absolutely critical to high performance massively parallel compute research.

Console sales don't drive this industry, PC gamers spending 5-7-1000 dollars per card do. It's what allows Nvidia & AMD to throw money left and right in R&D to shrink the GPU, and squeeze every last drop of performance from every lithography node.

These GPUs are then made in various batches, ultra high end for research, ultra to low for gaming, and then mobile. If MS & Sony disappeared from console space, it would make no impact on PC hardware development and production.
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>>275817312
Uh, no? Actually the macro is amazing and most people who play it would agree. It's missing the micro that BW had and strategic diversity. Just watch a tournament, the games are almost all the same. Every once in a while you get a cool one but there's basically no innovation because of the way the units and system is setup. The macro is great, though.
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>>275821712

Why not?
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>>275821884
>Next gen is the Pandaria gen

So after this one ends, we'll see the worst gen yet? Sounds likely.
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the video game industry will crash, and I will have to spend the rest of my days pubstomping on tf2

what a sad life we exist in
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>>275816510
>plate collisions eliminated
wooooooooow
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>>275811967
Street Fighter 5
Some random japanese doujin games
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>>275811608
that is not the face of a man who wants that game
that is the face of a man trying to fit his own stereotype
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>>275821739

I foresee "nerd" culture making a full and permanent transition, what we know of nerd is dead and gone. I'm trying to figure out the next label for our kind.

>>275822152

See this is why I ask. I had no clue.

Do you know much about graphics card/general circuitry manufacture? I think therein lies a lot of information that would be crucial to understanding a potential gaming crash. For example, consoles use lower end components than a current gen PC uses right? Do they do that because the components have become significantly cheaper to manufacture due to advancements in production or because there is an existing stock of parts on hand that have lost value in the wake of newer tech?
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>>275821821
>Sony enters the industry with the PS1
>Shiggy claims 'they don't understand videogames'

He predicted the future
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>>275811967

HL3 the ride never ends
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>>275822704
>I foresee "nerd" culture making a full and permanent transition, what we know of nerd is dead and gone. I'm trying to figure out the next label for our kind.


NEETS.
shut-ins.
no-lifes.
neckbeards.
landwhales.
maybe even fedoras.

Whatever's considered to be a social disgrace right now, I would think.
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>>275815195
>Only ones actually worth anything are PC games
>rest are shit
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IT'S HAPPENING!

THE VIDEO GAME BUBBLE IS POPPING!

YES! PRAISE ALLAH FOR HE IS RAHEEM!
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>>275817370
>what are modded consoles
>what are flashcarts
>letting yourself be jewed by autistic collectors
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>>275821884
Bad. Early Cata was alright, up until 5.1, 5.2 was meh then fucking DS completely marred any good thing they did. It's only 1 year since they all started and it's already shit (nintendo is trying, tho)
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games nowadays :
100 mb gameplay
the rest is graphics and cinematics.
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>>275823065

No life is good, I like that one.
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>>275816865
You should note that Sony as a whole is fucked, but Sony Entertainment (the part of sony that makes the ps4 and that jazz) is actually profiting. Sony the corporation might fail within a decade but the gaming division would survive independently.
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>>275811967
MGS5. A good game to quit vidya, really.
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>>275822704

An industry crashing occurring won't be the result of a single point of failure. So, having poor hardware performance won't cause the video game industry to crash, but a compounded series of actions over a course of time will lead to a crash.

Bloated budgets, poor management, inefficient design principles, a lack of quality control, low performing hardware, and most importantly, aiming to profit from consumer deception, all are critical factors of a crash.

Consoles use lower performing parts because the technology is mature, offers a level of performance targeted by the parent company (MS, Sony, Nintendo), is cheap to produce (especially if the node (42nm, 40nm, 28nm) is mature, allowing for high yields at flat wafer price PER), and most importantly, because it allows them to maximally minimize the cost of the console and sell it back for a higher price.

For example, the cost of the PS4 is around 150-175 dollars, but Sony sells it 399 so they can make a sizable profit per unit. MS' cost, because of the kinect, made them target the 499 price range, because any less would lead to diminishing returns on profit. It's not they wouldn't make any profit, but that instead of being able to make 150 per unit, they'd make 50 per unit, and as an international corporation targeting tens of different market locations, you want to maximize per unit sale profit.

Finally, existing stock on hand has no bearing on console development and manufacturing. This is because they aren't selling you a literal PC, anyone can do that. They are however selling you a customized PC with custom modified hardware that is different from the traditional PC, but is using available PC technology and software, to once again further minimize costs and overall improve ease of use for play, develop, and service.

New tech always drives down the price of old tech. Always.
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>>275823065

NEET doesn't have mainstream appeal.

Fedora has lost it's value as a term. It's been so widely used it's current meaning is more like "guy I disagree with on the internet" more than anything these days.

The rest just don't work universally enough to work, you can't call an 8 year old with thick glasses and is good at math a neckbeard for example.

We're going to see something new soon.
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>>275809543
We had already peaked with 6th gen.
It all went downhill in 07 and 08
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>>275821537
Nintendo games will only be as hardcore as console players will allow. I'll add that Nintendo games will also not be ultra casual mobile app crap.

Basically Nintendo offers, for want of a better word, "traditional" video game experiences and there will always be a healthy market for that, particularly among younger players. You can't start gamers off on DoTA, but you can't keep them on Mario Kart forever.

And you cannot create a gamer from the touchscreen crap that comes out of play stores. It is the digital equivalent of the boring toys we all left behind for vidya. An evolutionary dead end.

>>275822023
>The Wii is proof of this,
Probably, which is why I said handhelds. The DS and 3DS have been successful despite the rise of iPhones. Handhelds are where transitional console gaming is going to end up, and anything more sophisticated will be largely found on PC.
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> Surprised when people have less money to spend on video games after buying >$400 consoles
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It's a good thing, people realize the AAA games are shit and don't buy them, the devs I like are still doing fine
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>>275823608

Keep in mind that nerd and geek were terms and labels were always used and known by the mainstream though.
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>>275823608
NEET would work for the exact reason you say it wouldn't.
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>>275823913
I remember that Microsoft dude who got surprised people didn't cheered at Xbone's 'low' price. Good times.
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>>275810978

But Microsoft is a thing of the past, as well. PC gaming hasn't grown that much whereas the explosion of Mac sales has made the OSX-Linux crossplay games on Steam the most popular ones.

Mac is going to be a huge player, along with Gaben's Linux steambox push, will be huge contributors to the shift to mature OpenGL development

Microsoft is fucking finished. Aren't you all glad, /v/?
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>>275821150
I think consoles will begin to dry up unless they begin to make them upgrade able like that Alienware gimmick shit. A lot of people will begin to notice huge downgrades in the console versions as this generation moves on because they are not as powerful. Plus the generations are too long, and at the end of each generation, the new console is fractionally better than the last.

What is this captcha?
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>>275814542
They only do that because they know they can get away with it. Consumers are dumber than ever and will eat up anything.
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>>275824193

>mac is going to be a huge player

Not for a long time anon. Not for a long time, at least not for hardcore gaming. Intel GPUs for OSX are good for general stuff, they're still really bad for high end gaming.
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>>275824249
Shit, I'm not the only one. I just got a pizza comparison captcha in another thread.
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they're remaking games. the last of us remaster or HD.
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>>275824193
Fuck off macfag
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>>275809543
>players aren't buying new games
>the problem might be that console makers lost profit on price cuts
Or maybe the problem is that games reviewers have become such obvious shills and salesmen for video game marketers that nobody believes anyone anymore, and are just stepping out of buying new games entirely.
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>>275823145

The crash won't happen in one instant, that's the folly of human perception. The fall will be slow and inevitable, barring some huge shift in the next five years ago it's already happened. In ten years people will look back on these times, pick a convenient point that will make a good story like the E.T. game did and declare that the point gaming crashed.

>>275823606

Oh I understand that a crash isn't one element. I'm trying to think in greater context terms, I don't have a background to determine my own answers so I ask but my ultimate question is: How would a crash affect the medium? The business culture is the one thing everyone points to but I wanted to explore what it would mean for hardware and the effect that would have on the culture in turn.

So I guess a succinct answer is that hardware will not stop progressing. I think you've got a pretty good eye for this so I'm gonna' ask, how do you think a crash would change the progression of software? Things like game engines.

>>275823967
Always is relative. Just typing that makes me shudder, I bet you all my steam gems that someone will write a paper on the origin of the word "nerd" and it's passage through culture one day. If not already.

>>275824097

It's too Japanese, it'll never catch on. The new term will have to rise from an English speaking culture, it won't get access to the masses otherwise.
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>>275813163
>The slate is being wiped clean.
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>>275809543
>featuring kevin spacey
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>>275824556

Jokes on me, I guess. The steak's not even in the pictures.
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Burn it all to the ground.

The indie devs, the small studios, the big publishers, the AAA model, Steam, consoles, everything.

Maybe then, we'll finally get back to playing fucking videogames.
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>>275824193
Apple isn't likely going to play ball, apart from occasionally lobbing it back to the field when it happens to roll near. The userbase doesn't care and the hardware isn't up to par, so the situation will probably stay the same.

However, Google is a likely new contender. They've got dosh, manpower and influence out the ass, and they've yet to properly tap that market. And when that weight starts properly swinging around, it'll likely be ogre for someone
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>>275817284
The only problem is no REVO.
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>>275817394
The writer is talking about herself.
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>>275824756

>how would crash affect the medium?

whatever is wrong with the industry currently will get purged, the industry resets to the time after the first crash in terms of development paradigm and gameplay focused targets, and the industry builds up again until it's next bubble.

It's like the economy, it has it's ups and downs.
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>>275825001
>However, Google is a likely new contender. They've got dosh, manpower and influence out the ass, and they've yet to properly tap that market. And when that weight starts properly swinging around, it'll likely be ogre for someone

Fantastic, I can't wait for them to continue their domestic spy antics through their new NSA vidya hardware.
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>>275818203
The creators should just do what they want to do. They shouldn't have to put up with the fucking audience telling them what is and what is not acceptable until those people actually play the game. That includes Tekken.
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>mfw Civilization Beyond Earth was such a clone of Civ V, the actual code still used barbarians instead of aliens
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>>275809543
"Finna cop that new C.O.D and AC tonite"

-Dumpster
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>>275809543
How about they wait more than the first year of the consoles' lifecycle before making such claims?

This first year on this gen has been better than last gen's first year of last last gen ports. Only seemed different because the PS3 came late, and when it entered the market, the 360 had already prepared it's aces.
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Video games have become way too fucking expensive. $400 consoles and $60 games is highway robbery. This is disposable entertainment. It shouldn't cost a whole hell of a lot more than a movie, considering most western, AAA games only have 8 hours of gameplay. $20 max for games.
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>>275825297
Yeah, it's not ideal but if a black horse is going to enter, it'll most likely be them
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>>275811967

Feels good to be a weeaboo. None of these problems exist in japan. Graphics are still improving because they were terrible to begin with, hardware is a massive improvement (every japanese ps4 game is 1080/60, they don't even have to try), development costs are low so even the smallest developers can make tons of games (look at ch, even if you don't like them you have to admit they make a ton of games), my favorite series, the legend of heroes, is relevant for the first time since the 80s, japan ignores america and focuses more on southeast asia, mobile games are getting better, and none of the western gaming scams are anywhere near as bad.

You know what is really happening? Normalfags are quitting gaming. It's happening. We're finally winning our hobby back.
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>>275809543
People aren't buying video games and only buying hardware to prove to people they're "trendy"?

Surprise, sur-fucking-prise.
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>>275824756

Sorry, you had two questions and I answered only one.

How would it change the progression of software?

It won't. The ship and patch paradigm is here to stay, because good programmers are exceptionally rare and code monkeys are the easiest thing to shit out from a university. It's really easy to churn out software in a year or two, ship it and then keep users on a life-line with patches down the line. If the software is critical, they'll wait; if it's not, 50% will leave. Remaining 50% will get milked in the next round, and you'll see a resurgence of the software audience with each new round.

>call of duty modern warfare 2 came out with news about no dedicated servers
>steam users threw a fit, made a boycott group of 12,000 people
>the day MW2 came out on PC
>98% of them were playing it

It's a lot like that. Lastly, game engines again, aren't the issue. Most of them are well developed and do a good job at what they're supposed to do. The issue is quality control. A crash would fix this, for a while, but not forever.

It will make developers prioritize framerate and gameplay over graphics and narrative, because narrative games can only survive on the PC in a realistic sense. Gone Home was successful, because of industry corruption. Were it not for that, it would have been a tiny little 10 minute adventure that nobody heard off or cared enough for.
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>>275809543

Good let it crash, burn and leave mainstream.
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>>275814281
>It's because everything has been done.

that's fucking bullshit, and you know it
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>>275825847
>trendy
They're waiting for the good games to come.

This year, DA:I was slammed because cisquisition, Destiny received less than positive reception, Ass Creed was broken, etc, and to top it all off, the "games journalists" are doing all they can to kill gamers. By colluding together and not giving 9/10s like candy, such as in last gen, they've created a system where few gamers are amused and interested in anything scoring less than that.
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>>275816149
I want Koizumi to kick Aonuma's ass off of Zelda so he could do whatever the fuck he wants with it. At least Twin Peaks inspired him to write the story to LA.
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>>275823608
Comon, no one used those words correctly except the nerds themselves.
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>>275826059

In this one instance, he's right though. The industry has reached a level where everything has been done and promptly abandoned for the quick and easy route. Triple-A is more worried about making back investment in the first week of sales, than they are long term.

If a game sells 2 million copies in the first week, it's a flop, even if it sells 10 million copies by the end of the year. But a game that sells 5 million copies in it's first week is a success, even if it sells only 6.2 million by the end of the year.

The ONLY way to change this mentality is to throw a wrench into the machine that drives it, and to do that you'd need VR or something divergent enough that would force the industry to stop it's self-inflicting rampage.
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>>275825297
It's not like Apple or Microsoft aren't doing that anyway. Sony would rather just skip the middleman and install rootkits and spyware on your PC themselves.
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>>275811967
Maybe when Halo MCC comes to PC I guess. but other than that literally nothing. Which is why to me buying consoles is stupid, i am not going to pay 450$ to play one game.
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>>275826297

DA:I was doomed to fail. It targeted an audience that couldn't be satisfied.

Destiny fucked up, because of Marty and Joseph Statten being fired and the game being cut up and resold as DLC. The former was inevitable, the latter was expected.

That said, good games, good triple-A games are never going to come, because it's safer to keep churning out the exact same shit than innovate--even though, innovating is what the consoles need the most right now.
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>>275816047
I wish there was a more casualised version of 40k without the anal circumference rulers and roll throw saves and such, because I'd buy and paint models and play it in a heartbeat

The lore is cool, the models are cool, and the idea of the game is great, but the thing itself is far too slow paced for me when I imagine hordes of units dying and then it all happens slowly as hell while you check morale or line of sight or whatever.
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>>275811967

witcher 3
cyberpunk 2020
xenoblade chronicles x
pikmin 4please please please
Zelda U
basically anything nintendo, platinum or CDPR shits out

oh and all of the dynasty warriors games
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>hur dur why arent people buying our shit software
>hur its prolly because microsoft started charging less for their console
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>>275811967
Yoshi's Wooly World
Kirby and the Rainbow Curse
Zelda U
Splatoon
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>>275826302

That diagram is just a symptom of "lol nerd culture". People inclined to make a Venn diagram of terms like that aren't the ones throwing the terms around as genuine pejoratives.
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>>275810581
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>>275814401
allahu akbar sa lem ala
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>>275814053
vanquish, faster than light
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>>275823913
Software sales have declined for a while, and now the new consoles are one year old already, there should be a surge in game purchases I suppose. I don't think everyone went digital or so, people are just losing interest because even the yearly rehashes are dropping in quality big time, like Ubisoft's unplayable messes.
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>>275825141
>whatever is wrong with the industry currently will get purged, the industry resets to the time after the first crash in terms of development paradigm and gameplay focused targets, and the industry builds up again until it's next bubble.
>It's like the economy, it has it's ups and downs.

This is a joke, right? The people that caused the economy to crash profited while everyone else lost a huge amount of money they have yet to recover. And nothing was fixed.
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Check out Kingdom Come: Deliverance if you liked the Mafia games, same guy who made those is making KC:D.
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>>275811967
Zelda, Star Fox, Devil's Third kinda, MGSV, Splatoon

Almost all rehashes. But does it matter that they're rehashes? Of course not. A fun game is a fun game, regardless of mechanics is reuses.
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>>275809543
People are buying the new systems but not games. 2014 was a bad year marked by relatively few top-shelf releases, and many of the top-shelf releases like Destiny and Faggot Age Cisquisition did not live up to expecations. Most of the games I bought this year were games from 2013 that I hadn't gotten around to playing and had dropped in price, or they were retro games. I bought a huge pile of those this year, and now I will be backlogged for the rest of my life.

Here are my top releases of 2014:

Dark Souls 2
Alien Isolation
Wolfenstein: The New Order
Shadow of Mordor
Freedom Planet
South Park: Stick of Truth
Titanfall
Little Big Planet 3
Octodad

Go ahead and say I have shit taste, but what I'm trying to illustrate is that this was a very ho-hum year for vidya. Sure if you had a Wii U there was Smash 4 and Bayonetta 2, but that doesn't really change much. There were tons of "yeah it's pretty good" multiplat games and indie games this year. The only game where I actually felt a sense of "I HAVE TO OWN THIS TODAY" was Dark Souls 2, and that was mostly just because of hype-- it's basically just more Dark Souls at the end of the day.

The other games on my list aren't bad-- most of them are really good, but this is nothing compared to 2013. 2013 had so many games I wanted to play that I wasn't able to get around to half of them until 2014. 2014 was so barren that I had time to catch up on the leftovers from 2013, and still had time to devote to my retro collection.
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>>275812489
>Games are only good if they have a huge budget and major company behind them
>tipsnormalfag.jpg
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>>275828095
Also World of Warships. That alpha weekend was fun.
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>>275828095

Devil's Third suffered from fucking development hell before being brought over to Nintendo.
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>>275828048

You misunderstand anon. I mean, what they teach you about economics, the ups and downs and crashes are normal. You don't want them to happen, but they are normal.

That said, 2008 crash was artificial and done on purpose. That is not normal, that is exceptional, and therefore excluded from the generalization.
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You can tell industry is dead from a simple thing

>NEW IP HERE
>Bomba
>More bomba
>Have some old ass remaster
>DAY ONE

And the worst part is, it's remasters from a mediocre generation, average shit like DMC4 and Tomb Raider, let alone GTA5. You could tell gaming was creatively rock bottom ten years ago, now they're just getting pathetic.
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>>275809543
Why the fuck would anyone buy a current gen console? The consoles are like a year old and we're still seeing cross-generational games. The only cross-generational games from the generation before that I have was Hitman Blood Money which was on the original Xbox and 360, nowadays every fucking game is available on PS3/4 and the 360/Xbone.
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>>275821136
>describe a group of people who are more passionate and involved in a hobby than you are
>get mad that they aren't 100% socially "in line."
>say that you should just ignore them because they aren't politically correct
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>>275818014

that was an actual game that came out that they were referring to you massive colossal retard
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MS and Sony could've saved a lot of grief and industry fuckups if they had mandated that all games need to run at 1080p60 and that there should be no cross generation titles.

Devs would have had no choice but to comply. They don't want to jump ship to PC, because that would mean that they could no longer bullshit their way to success, ala, they'd have to actually try and work hard.
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>>275816510
>1. Home plate collisions were eliminated
Bad decision; giving more power to the catcher to block off the plate even when the catcher does not have the ball.
>2. Managers are allowed to challenge.
Bad decision; human error is part of the game, and the last thing MLB needs is to become like the NFL with every little decision challenged and wasting time.
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>>275813360
>>we are crashing the industry
johnny rico im mobile infantry
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whos on the flight plan?
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All Sony had to fucking do was keep backwards compatibility to curbstomp their competition. The only true backwards compatible console today is the fucking Wii U, it can even play GAMECUBE games after hacking vWii mode because it's pretty much Gamecube 3.0.
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>>275829501
>johnny rico
>In Heinlein's Starship Troopers, Rico is the son of a wealthy Filipino family who joins the Terran Mobile Infantry
>Filipino

Discarded.
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>>275828157
so much this it hurts
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>>275823608
autist
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>>275829257
>Sony
i don't get why anyone thinks anything is going wrong for sony. they've moved millions of blu-ray players into consumers' living rooms, a media format they own the patent on. sure there's no games, but that's not sony's bread and butter.
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>>275825359
I don't disagree anon.
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>>275828157
this, i dont even like any game you listed, but its true, there just wasn't much out there this year that wasn't AAA flops, or really bad indie games.
in addittion to the increasing obsession of F2P games like league, dota, heartstone, and counterstrike, people won't waste their money unless they feel they NEED to own a game.
also twitch and youtube play a huge part. since before buying anything we get to see how AAA shit like destiny and AC are actually bad games, news of which travels through the internet fast.
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Will there ever be another company like the Sega of the 90s?

Why were the 90s so good?
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>>275829726
Keeping backward compatibility was completely unfeasible. Even their current attempt with playstation now is iffy at best.
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>>275811967
Rainbow Curse
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>>275822583
It's Iniutinua.
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>>275831016

Which was a retarded move by playing shuffle games with hardware design.

Not to mention Wii U is the only RISC console now. PS4 and XOne are x86.
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>>275815634
>>275816047
Tabletop gaming is full of 40 year old landwhale virgins the likes of which vidya has never seen.
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>>275811967
I'm looking forward to Mechwarrior 5...


Also looking forward to a lonely Christmas.
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