No. They were probably some of the only likable people in the entire waste. NCR pissed me off at every turn, the fucking Ceaser want-to-be faction was retarded as shit, the people to the far north with their bombs and airfield were okay but cunts at first. And house was a twat.
New Vegas was just awful because how shitty everyone was.
>>275528381 >New Vegas was awful because of how shitty everyone was
I don't understand how them having their own ulterior motives for using you makes them shitty. What were they supposed to do, praise you for surviving a shot in the head and bet everything on you saving the Mojave for them?
>>275528451 >In NV >Implying they weren't the same in FO1 and 2
Hell, the only smart BOS are the ones from Tactics and 3. Sure the ones in 3 always get bagged on by jaded /v/irgins for being "white knight faggots," and like everything in FO3 they're shittily written, but hell, objectively, when you're an organization with low manpower, but overwhelming military power, and a surplus of tech, arms, and supplies, helping folks out to win the goodwill of the populace and expand your numbers and support base only makes sense. The Midwest BOS's feudal military junta deal they got going on is another valid option for survival. What's not a good way to survive is to close yourself off while you slowly stagnate to death.
>bunker will autmotically open if you bring one of the mission holotapes >hop over to black mountain from the scorpion gulch and raid the centuar pen for the holotape and early access to all the good energy weapons in the game at the price of you dignity
>or just skirt black mountain avoiding deathclaws and super mutants, grab veronica and fast travel back to the bunker
>>275528663 I wasn't meaning shitty to me. I was saying shitty as in they acted all high and mighty but had some pants on head retarded motives that would never fucking work. Or just braindead ideas ie. Ceasers legion. "lets destroy everything, rape everyone, and take us all back to the dark ages because ...... uh.... we don't fucking no why lets just do that" Like how am I supposed to even try to simpithize with that? its just awful
>>275529181 There was the one outside the doctor's office, and that's it.
It's a difference in how F3 and FNV approached world-building. F3 places that Brahmin there so you see it and say, "Woah, I guess there's no cows in this crazy world." FNV puts a few Bighorners and some crops in Goodsprings to show that they're a small, self-sustaining community.
>>275529208 Look at things from her point of view; she's a soldier who's done her time in the trenches to work her way up to where she is. All her men are likewise soldiers, who she's fought and bled with. And now she gets to babysit you, some asshole independent contractor who floats in out of nowhere, bypasses the whole rank structure, and gets special treatment, all cause some suit wearing pencil pusher says so. I'd be pretty salty at the courier too.
>>275529485 That makes more sense. Caesar's Legion didn't want to destroy everything, they wanted to synthesize a new civilization out of the ruins of two. If you talk to Caesar about it, he explains it in detail. The rest of Legion doesn't care, though, that's what makes them a boring faction - only one of them has any interesting ideas or dialogue.
>>275529408 It's annoying how you can't even bring up the fact that you're a member of the BoS when he asks you to destroy it without the mod. If I was in my character's shoes that would be the first thing I'd bring up.
Yes, and it makes perfect sense that the combined raider and Super Mutant population around them is easily triple the amount of regular people, and that Jet is on the east coast, and that a VR simulation acts as a key to get into a bunker with a pristine set of power armor and an overpowered Chinese stealth suit.
>>275529485 Don't see how that makes the NCR shitty then. They're just trying to put shit back together after the bombs, and treat people decent while they're at it. They don't always give folks a choice as to weather they want to be in the NCR or not, but how's that different than any government that's ever been? Sure they make people pay taxes, but all those soldiers keeping the legion from breeding your ass, research programs, and food distribution programs don't fund themselves. NCR is thoroughly neutral, maybe slightly positive in my opinion.
>>275528381 >They were probably some of the only likable people in the entire waste
A-are people in this thread serious? Did FO3 brainwash them this badly?
The BoS are maniacal xenophobes with a super weapons fetish. They will literally ethnically cleanse entire villages if they so happened to have a couple of laser or plasma rifles. They're a cult of psychos who think themselves naturally superior to others. There's is little to like about them, and it fucking bothers me that people think they're 'bros'.
BTFO of them is still one of my favorite quests. Befriending them, gaining their trust, learning to use their power armour and then wearing a stealth boy to activate the self-destruct sequence knowing they're all going to choke on dirt is gratifying. Nothing of value was lost.
>>275529896 Even if the courier did look in the package, was there any guarantee he would've known what it was? Ulysses should've focused on who hired the courier. What he did was like getting shot, and then being mad at the gun that did it instead of the person firing it.
>>275529997 >That one vault with FEV in it >The main entrance is so irradiated that humans die before they even get to the door >The back entrance is not used by the super mutants, according to Little Lamplight
So how the fuck do they get people in to turn them into super mutants?
>>275529850 What makes the legion dumb isn't what Caesar is up to, but the fact that noone in the legion believes in it, or even knows about it, except for him. Even without his brain cancer, he's gonna live for what, another 20 years, tops? The only way I can see the legion working out as a good thing is if they let the player duel Lanius, kill his ass, and become Caesar's new heir.
I was originally committed to the NCR, but I also enjoyed the BoS's company, but I fucked up fixing them, so in order to continue being NCR, I HAD to destroy them. I went independent instead, which I have to admit, is way, way better.
>>275530035 >Did FO3 brainwash them this badly? It's just nostalgiaitis. Time has caused people to believe that Oblivion is better than Skyrim. Oblivion was truly, inexcusably bad, but the contrarian character of /v/ will have people denying this.
on my first playhrough i played as a shit stained old black man named DRAGONMASTER. i killed literally every fucking NPC/town/faction/ to the point that the only humans left running around were pretty much the randomly raiders and faction soldiers.
it was both the stupidest and most entertaining thing i did
>>275531084 You do realize that the only reason they put that in the game is too weed out the tards from the smart people, right?
If it wasn't for this quest, there is literally 0 reason not to side with House every single time. This quest was just to trip those 'muh feels' kiddies up. I didn't bat a fucking eyelash - House is the only person that could propel humanity to what it was an beyond in an incredibly small amount of time. Wiping one group of xenophobes off the Mojave is an insignificant price to pay.
>>275531084 >they're fucking people dude Very dangerous, heavily armed, combat trained, fanatical, and arrogant people.
>you can't just give them what is pretty much a death sentence because they did things you don't like But that's exactly what they do all the time. They kill anyone who doesn't hand over their tech, and refuse to bring order to the wastes with the power they have. Instead, they just hoard technology.
>>275531147 Finally someone who doesn't think the Enclave were just assholes. They were deliberately given one evil trait to make it seem like their cause was stupid so they could be the bad guys. Its fucking annoying.
>>275529610 That's the entire premise of Fallout's 3 design to be honest. Its about going "WOAH!" and keep playing the shoot-n-loot adventure. Nothing is wrong with that, but its not suited for Fallout.
>>275531385 >House is the only person that could propel humanity to what it was an beyond in an incredibly small amount of time no, this is what weeds out the tards from the smart people
house is lying to you he's manipulating you, there is literally no reason to believe any of his promises outside of "he's a rich old guy" how can one man do more than the enclave or the pre-war US AFTER a nuclear apocalypse when he doesn't even have a fraction of their resources even the enclaves space program failed, and their technology and resources dwarfed houses
he's a sickly old despot with a fetish for robots and gambling, nothing more
>>275531385 >2281 >Drinking the House Kool-aid He's not saving "humanity." He's saving a small portion of it, to be chosen by him, who will be allowed to live so long as they live by his rules, subscribe to his ideals, and step in perfect timing with his tune. He's like a mummified Andrew Ryan, and any nifty high tech society he ever builds among the stars is either gonna fall apart due to internal strife, or turn into an Orwell novel. All the while, the earth is still gonna be covered in wasteland refugees carrying on like they always have.
>>275531881 House never lies to you. The endings also implies you have control as well, his right hand. He trusts you and if you got evil karma he even fears you.
He has never lied nor had reason to. Why would he? All his eggs were in one basket, The Courier. Pissing you off would be a death sentence to his plans.
>how can one man do more than the enclave or the pre-war US AFTER a nuclear apocalypse when he doesn't even have a fraction of their resources He does have a shit load of money and he's a technological genius as well as a financial genius.
>>275531976 He only chooses to save New Vegas because he knows he can't save the entire world. Its not about saving humanity, its making sure a part of it lives on. He actually tells you this himself -- if he could, he would save teh world, but he knows he can't.
You're never forced into doing anything other than obeying the rather free rules he has for Vegas.
>>275531881 >house is lying to you >a man who became a billionaire 30 times over by the time he was 30 by building a vast robotics and space-exploration organizations whose efforts are recognized the world over is lying to you
You have to be some sort of SJW to think House is an old despot.
>>275532316 I wasn't talking about his choice to only save new Vegas. I'm saying, when he gets to space, who's going with him? Also, the whole premise of "making sure a part of humanity lives on" is pointless when the NCR, the independent settlements and tribes all over the place, and the Legion seem to point towards the fact that humanity is living on just fine without him. House is gonna do something awesome for a few people, and leave everyone else in the dust.
>>275532736 Hey retard, what reason does he have to lie? Are you fucked in the brain or something? He's a shriveled up husk of a man living in a tube. He's doing what he's doing because he knows he's the only one that can do it.
Name one person that's nearly as qualified as him to fix things. Just one.
>>275532186 >He has never lied nor had reason to. he has every reason to lie to you, house wants to fashion himself as the despot of new vegas and ruler of nevada he's made it obvious he'll do anything to achieve that goal
there is no reason to believe anything house tells you yet again, what does house have that the enclave or pre-war US didn't? if you say money, you have no clue
one genius with a ton of robots is still not enough to propel humanity to the stars his promises just do not add up
>>275532323 but he by definition is an old despot he even calls himself a despot he's using you for self gain, not because he cares about humanity he's a shrewd business man with a fuckload of power and money, but even with that, his promises are entirely unrealistic
>>275532083 Best option if you want a lot of fights. Legion has like three bases total in the entire Mojave while the NCR is sitting pretty with like a dozen. Throw in that mod that gives NCR the sick black armor and you feel like you're really bringing the hammer down on those assholes.
>>275532980 You seem to be deluded into thinking that House is trying to fix things. He's not. He's gonna go build his own thing, somewhere else, which he will fill with things he likes, and pretend like the old things don't exist anymore. I mean, even with house flying off into space, the NCR will still probably end up dominating the wasteland, life will go on, and everyone will forget about House, wherever he's gone and fucked off to. He's essentially just vault tech, only less criminally negligent and in space. He's the "take my ball and go home" faction.
>>275533154 >one genius with a ton of robots is still not enough to propel humanity to the stars >his promises just do not add up Except it is, when its 100 year plan. The point of the robots isn't saving humanity, its protecting Vegas and letting it grow in peace.
And exactly what is House' reason to lie to you? He has already seen what you'll do to people who betray you (Benny) and what you're capable of. Again, he's also afraid of you and has respect for you as the end game tells you.
>>275533219 With the CASE mod, it might be doable, but I'm using CASE, and doing essentially that, only with the .50cal hmg from WMX, and even with that things low fire rate, I'm having trouble keeping up, and have to carry a backup weapon for low priority threats. It could just be my lack of diligence though, as I don't squeeze out all the ammo I can, since I'd rather play the game than make bullets all day.
Also, word to the wise, unless your computer is an absolute beast, don't use high explosive ammo in a minigun. I can use it in the lmg, or any other full auto weapon in the game, but if I try to use it in a minigun, I drop from 60 to 15 fps. It's brutal.
>>275533443 The Legion was filled with faggot Roman cosplaying raiders who had no ideals or philosophy except let me steal and rape because rules of nature. Only Caesar, Graham and Ulysses were the exception
>>275533387 Caesars New Regime to overhaul the Legion. Some of its bullshit but you'll need it because next you want NCR Rearmament to give the NCR some fighting edge. After that, get Alternative Start then play as either a NCR or Legion agent trying to wipe out the other faction. Should be fun for a bit.
>>275533408 >He's not. Yes he is. He specifically says he is. >He's gonna go build his own thing, somewhere else Now you're just making shit up. He's already built his thing. Vegas is his. The only new thing he's building is humanity's future, and he's building it right here in New Vegas. The entire reason he wants his robot army upgraded is so Vegas is his, the cash keeps flowing and the progress is steady.
>I mean, even with house flying off into space, the NCR will still probably end up dominating the wasteland, life will go on, and everyone will forget about House, wherever he's gone and fucked off to. The fuck am I even reading here? The NCR are like the Bolshevik's - kikes who will return the world back to the way it was, and inevitably lad to another nuclear holocaust. It's also amusing how you think they'll dominate the Wasteland when the fucking Legion still holds the East.
>>275533578 Implying one could only ever want material possessions...or helping all of humanity? Jesus you must have some double-think going on. House is an egomaniac. He wants to secure his power. He became what he was through shrewd business accumen, not mechanical genius, stealing his underlings work and ruthlessly destroying the competition. You'd know this if you'd read the terminals in places like REPCONN.
Further, he's vulnerable without an empire built around him. Stuck in one place, exposure to the outside world a death sentence. If he doesn't have an army of robots (and more) to secure his personhood & keep up his power supply, he's fucked.
>>275534291 I rarely crash. Most of the mods I'm running are well coded, and running 4gb New Vegas with the stutter remover allows them all to work harmoniously. The odd crash is there but not even worth mentioning.
because the super mutants are just walking corpses?
who even cares, also mind you Autumn was able to come through the front door with his space marines after somehow surviving arguably worse radiation at the Jefferson Memorial
also, can someone please for the love of god explain to me why project purity would be done in the Jefferson Memorial and not the actual water treatment plant just north of Springvale? Also DC is small as shit because bethesda couldn't be arsed to do a proper 1:1 scale recreation of it
this all being said, FO3 is fun if you mod it and play it like survival horror
House is a business man, but he's also a technological genius. What he has done supports this.
What's the problem with him destroying competition too? What else would a man like him do? A man that didn't do that, would never end up in a position like him, nor would they be able to rule over Vegas while NCR and Legion are around.
>If he doesn't have an army of robots (and more) to secure his personhood & keep up his power supply, he's fucked. >Of course he wants to secure his power That's so redundant to even say, its like saying Legion is nothing without Caesar or its army.
Yes. Fuck those guys. A bunch of them massacred a followers outpost for no reason, then tried to kill me. Another one enslaved me and forced me to break into a deathtrap casino, then tried to kill me. House was also paying me a lot of money to do shit for him.
1. He's an egomaniac. This means he cares about himself. Above all others. 2. He's a shrewd businessman that got where his is by RUTHLESS, aka MERCILESS and CALLOUS means. That means he fucks people over, deceives when needed, and employs all dirty tricks to get the job done, because how else could a man get where he was without doing so? 3. He's not some goddamn mother Teresa now that he's a raisin in a tube. Self-preservation is still very much in effect and guiding his actions, NOT 'humanity's future'.
And no dude, he might have /some/ technical competence, but he leeched off his acquisitions and employees. His little eulogy should spell out just how much of a hack he really is. http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/A_Tragedy_Has_Befallen_All_Mankind
>>275536037 He cares for himself, ebcause he's the only way to actually guide people to a proper future. Who's else gonna do it? The Wastelanders? lmao
>deceives when needed Not necessarily. Again, he never lies to you in game, nor does he break any of the laws he has with the Casinos. He's actually an honest man to you.
3. He's not some goddamn mother Teresa now that he's a raisin in a tube. Self-preservation is still very much in effect and guiding his actions, NOT 'humanity's future'. I never implied he was a mother Teresa. You don't have to be a mother Teresa to be the least worst option for the future.
The fuck does his death note have to do with anything?
>playing a merc solid snake playthrough >do a lot of work for the NCR, get paid lots of cash >wander into Hidden Valley >these assholes think they can put a collar on me and get away with it, telling me to kill a ranger >go to the bunker with the ranger, tell him about my collar and the situation >BoS paladins run in >get wrecked by my pulse mines, the lone survivor headshot by the ranger >sneak into their base and blow it up more like BTFos
>>275536470 >humans can't rule themselves Oh not this shit again. You know what happened a few hundred years ago, right?
Yes, necessarily. It's been in his interests to operate by the rules- to keep the families in-line and money flowing into the strip. If lying to you or anyone else was the best option for his own personal motives, there'd be 0 second thoughts.
>You're an underage retard. You keep saying 'self gain' like he's still fucking walking around the place. Self gain is still very much relevant.
He has a penchant for exaggeration, lying, and playing up his own importance. His death note exemplifies this. Not to mention his contempt for everyone else. And you're lapping his "I'm the only hope for humanity!" shit right the fuck up.
>>275537696 I didn't say humans can't rule themselves. I'm saying its obvious their culture us far behind. The casinos, most sophisticated place in Mojave, is still lead by tribals.
House will just make the process go faster.
>If lying to you or anyone else was the best option for his own personal motives, there'd be 0 second thoughts. That's literally just head canon though. Nothing supports this statement. He doesn't lie to you ever. I don't know why you assume he does or will. >>You're an underage retard. You keep saying 'self gain' like he's still fucking walking around the place. >Self gain is still very much relevant. That wasn't me, I dunno if you tried to tell someone else something here.
>>275527641 I did. In my second playthrough. Was playing a bad karma character so I just went there pretending to be a friend and opened fire on everyone. They ran around like roaches, trying to get their power armors and survive my explosives and the turrets lasers. Not a single one survived. It felt really good.
>>275532782 You know how you can manipulate the camera to grab things behind windows and whatnot? Well, if you grab elijah's body, stuff the gold in it and put it right against the forcefield, run the whole gauntlet, then clip the camera around, you can grab all the gold and walk out with a few seconds to spare
>>275538080 Most of the non-tribals I met had a culture just as sophisticated as that found at NV. And given how general the term 'culture' is, I'd wager most of the tribals are 'sophisticated' as well. If we're talking about technology, I didn't see anything in vegas particularly impressive. Not when we've got Enclave, BOS, Helios 1, Hoover dam, the boomers, vaults, etc. Frankly, the only advantages House has over Benny are: 1. Living for a really long time 2. Having expert knowledge of pre-war tech, (which Benny could acquire elsewhere).
Well, if the kings make peace with the NCR, House kinda levels a false claim at them, issues an ultimatum for their departure and then mercilessly slays them to the last man. Not to mention "kill anyone you can't get to side with me".
If you follow the post chain, that was the original post I was responding to.
>>275541073 >Most of the non-tribals I met had a culture just as sophisticated as that found at NV. Clearly they don't. Anarchy, thievery and survival of the fittest is still around the Mojave. Their technological culture is far lacking as well. Education is also non-existant.
Benny would not know how to help people build up in terms of technology, Yes Man tells you of his troubles.
The King makes an ultimatum to the Kings, but they break it. I didn't agree with him on this.
>>275541573 >Clearly they don't. Anarchy, thievery and survival of the fittest is still around the Mojave. Their technological culture is far lacking as well. Education is also non-existant. Implying Vegas is any different in any of these measures. Mind you, most non-tribals live in towns.
I think we'll just disagree on which toxin is least toxic.
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