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>Sub-personas give you pretty much infinite sustain for all non-boss fights
>Mamudo/Mahama are OP as fuck, rarely blocked, never reflected
>Once you have identified a weakness, you can chain 0-SP spells on it forever
>You can restart a labyrinth from the latest level
>Actually all elemental reflects are gone
>FOEs can be killed before you outlevel each labyrinth (except for those dolls)
>you never ever have to grind for money or XP in Normal mode
>random dungeon events rarely fuck you up
>only one "complex" puzzle in the game, and you can skip it by talking to Naoto
>labyrinth bosses are easy and have predictable patterns

I like this game but you can't argue that it's casual as fuck, just like everything that gets the Persona label

Also Persona Q thread I guess
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>>275209760
A more casual casual SMT. Also op you forgot the free dlc they give you can make two characters have shit loads of hp at the start.
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The only issue I have is that the main bosses do suck, the FOE are harder than them. That said, it's a good thing you don't have to grind. Hell, not even EO forces you to grind except for the post game content, and that's a maybe.
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stil better than persona 3 and 4
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>Once you have identified a weakness, you can chain 0-SP spells on it forever
Only if you realize that the shitty boost system punishes characters with speed.
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I'm still waiting for my copy to come in. I ordered it as a Christmas gift for myself.
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>>275209760
>>275209760
>you never ever have to grind for money or XP in Normal mode
pointless grinding isn't a good game mechanic anon
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>you never ever have to grind for money or XP in Normal mode
>Normal mode
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Fuck then what am I doing wrong with my copy? I beat 3 and 4 easily on hard but I'm having problems with this game on easy. Seriously what am I doing wrong besides sucking?
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>>275209760
And yet it still has a better gameplay system then p3 and p4. Not that that's hard. Hope they fix hama/mudo/reflects then keep all the new status/skills for p5.
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Guys
>that soundtrack
>that gameplay

what more can one ask for?
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Who cares if it's casual? The game is fun. Not every game has to be a super hardcore grind fest. Just sit back and enjoy the game.

Also, that title theme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twfez2MDzLI&index=2&list=PLCOhGcSKAYYyLdGv1oHC4yJDvFYT1srrI
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>>275212234
You really are just playing like shit. P3 and P4 are casual as fuck, and PQ is not much of a step up. The only way you can not be succeeding is if you are ignoring like, half the gameplay mechanics and just going 'zio/agi/bufu/garu' every fight, and even then that's a perfectly viable strategy on normal, if not hard.
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Is risky bullshit or the correct difficulty? I liked EO4 and EO Untold a lot. I played on normal in both games for reference.
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>>275212480

A 6th super dungeon. That's pretty much the only thing I wish the game had.
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>>275212000
hard mode is bullshit, man

Anyway, nice 0s
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>>275212980

Risky feels like bullshit sometimes, but they give you tools to work around the main leader dies, game over thing most of the time. So far it's been more difficult than EO4 but that's not saying too much.
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>>275212480
I don't think anyone is saying it's bad, just easy as fuck, which it is, even on risky.The game is great though.

THIS CAROUSEL
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>>275213254

Risky feels like the right difficulty to me, but I still wish instant kill stuff wasn't as good, I've purposefully avoided Hama/Mudo except for getting certain drops and it doesn't feel too easy. The four buff shrine dudes are a pain in the ass though, why are they stronger than the Reaper?
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>>275213456
I didn't start using Hama/Mudo till the 4th dungeon and to be honest, they don't make things any easier, just faster. most enemies don't hit very hard and Fuuka just auto heals off most of the damage every turn anyway, instakills just make the battles go faster.
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>>275212929
>'zio/agi/bufu/garu' every fight
Why bother with those when every trash mob is weak to Hama or Mudo or both?
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>>275213903

4th dungeon is where things started to get harder for me, 5th was even more troublesome at the start because of those tanks that get two turns and could almost instantly kill Naoto or Yukari.
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Whats your party?
For now i'm going with Mitsuru in the front and Naoto, Yukari and Rei/Zen in the back
I'm at the second dungeon, hard mode
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>>275209760

>casual as fuck, just like everything that gets the Personal label

Someone hasn't played Persona 1/2/3.
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>>275209760
>>Sub-personas give you pretty much infinite sustain for all non-boss fights

Is that how it works? I was wondering why I sometimes managed to preserve HP/SP and sometimes I didn't.
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i like Etryian Odessey but feel things just take too long

i've also never played a persona game. i have however fapped to Aigis.

will i like this game?
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>>275214171
Brotag, Kanji
Yukiko, Yukari, Naoto

I feel like I have too much P4 coverage, but Shinji is just an inferior Kanji and I just can't say no to Naoto's instant kills.
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>>275214286

Depends on how much you use in battle. If you have a Sub-Persona that gives 30 SP, and you only use 25, you won't lose any SP. If you use 50, you'll have 20 less SP after battle.
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>manage to make 200 yen
>go heal
>hey gimme 200yen or i'll stab you, pretty boy
>tfw jew as fuck in games
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>>275214171

P4, Chie, Junpei
Naoto, Yukari

I didn't know who to stick in the back so I went with Naoto. Akihiko or Yosuke in the back just didn't seem right.
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>>275214190
The only hard one there is Persona 1 since its really SMT lite, 2 duology are the easiest games ever and 3 is just hard on the 2nd block because Mudo spamming enemies, after that is really easy.
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>>275214286
Yeah, for each new fight you start out with your sub-Persona's extra HP/SP. If you have +50 SP on your sub, you're guaranteed to start the fight with at least 50 SP.

>>275214362
No. The game is pure Persona fanwank. Play another ET game if you need your dungeon grinding fix.
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>>275214171
Aigis, Shinji and Yu in front, MC and Naoto in back, shit is beast.

>>275214190
Persona 1 and 2 are easy as fuck, FES is the hardest in the series.
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>>275214438
>>275214672

Thanks. Glad to get that little mystery off my mind.
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>>275214362
>i've also never played a persona game
There's no reason for you to get it then.
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I don't understand what all the hate other Persona fans, myself only playing P3Fes and Vanilla P4, have on the Map system. It adds a small sense of Nostalgia of having to write things down while adding in some immersion.

PQ feels like a solid purchase, and got me to put the other EO games on my backlog, along with all the P1, P2, and the SMT series.
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>>275209760
>you never ever have to grind for money or XP in Normal mode
The fuck are you talking about? I'm ALWAYS short on cash. Any time I complete a floor and go back to school to sell my shit, I never have enough money to buy upgraded equipment for everyone in my party, let alone pay for healing items.
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>>275214793
Is it worth getting if I played the other Persona games but preferred 1-2 over 3-4?
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>>275215248
I can't speak for this game, but in EO you definitely aren't supposed to buy shit for everyone every time.
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>>275215118
> It adds a small sense of Nostalgia of having to write things down while adding in some immersion.
>nostalgia
Not for me, I never played games like that as a kid
>immersion
No, it's pointless busy work.
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>>275215248
>finally have some money
>go to liz because no sp
>price doubles
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>loved P3 and P4
>currently playing SMTIV and Soul Hackers, love them
>played Legend of Grimrock on muh PC, loved it
>fucking hate this game
I don't know why, I can't place my finger on it, but there's just something about this game that sucks.
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>>275214396
Why Yukiko AND Yukari?
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>>275214171
Kanji, Da Man, Akihiko
Naoto, Brotag
Rise Battle Nav, Fuuka Labyrinth Nav
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>>275215248

The game gets more lenient with money the further you get. Your ass is gonna be broke at the start, but near the end of the game you're gonna be drowning in money.
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>>275215936
No social links
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Why are the graphics in PQ so fucking bad? I know the 3DS doesn't have much power, but it's still capable of way better than this shit.
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>>275216836
I like the PQ models more than the ones in P3/P4.
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>>275213128
>Game is too damn casual
>No, I don't like hard mode, it's hard

?
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>beat second boss
>was expecting another form or something
>it never came
sooooooo easy
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>>275212000
DEM TRIPS

Remember when 4chan used to care. I do
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>>275216921
It's not the chibi style, it's the fucking graphics. Bravely Default has better graphics than this game, and it was all chibi.

(I do hate the chibi style in PQ though, SMT and Persona characters should NOT be drawn that way)
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What's the best song in the game and why? I wanna jam to your opinions
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>>275216964
Prepare your ass for the third dungeon then.
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>>275217369
>there are people on this board who are so squarely on the "P3 is better than P4 in every way" hipster wagon that they don't think the P4-side battle theme is the toppest of great things
Don't remind me anon.
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>>275217369
fucking Laser Beam
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>>275217369
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrS18mg7LDM

BEAMTHATLASER
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The one thing I hate is that if a character nulls/drains a specific element but still gets hit by it whilst boosted it removes their boost state
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>>275217369
best boss theme in the series coming through

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQVpmFxphO4
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>>275215118


Today they released Persona 4 OVA in Japan.
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>>275209760
I won't argue that it's not casual, but grinding in any game is shitty and not fun or adequate gameplay.
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>>275217592
>>275217594
>>275217682
We have reached an agreement.
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>>275217369
Light Up The Fire In The Night P4 Mix is the best
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>>275218024
Actually your taste is the best.
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>>275209760
>you never ever have to grind for money or XP in Normal mode
>random dungeon events rarely fuck you up
>You can restart a labyrinth from the latest level

These are good things. Getting fucked over by random shit and forcing you to grind for money is bad game design.

Not letting you restart from the latest level is just stupid. It just means I'm going to waste MP or HP going back down to the floor I was at because I'm forced to go through floors I've already been through, if you make me walk then I'm just going to run from the battles anyway, so it's really just adding needless tedium. If you're going to include shortcuts through the floor then you might as well just save me the trouble and let me skip there.

>FOEs can be killed before you outlevel each labyrinth (except for those dolls)
This can be done easily in EO4. I'd say it's harder in PQ since FOEs have dumb amounts of HP.
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help, i want to buy a new game but i only have money for one, should i go for persona q (never played p3 and p4 because i hate the social links gimmirk, i want to fight, not school crap) or ORAS (the lack of battle frontier is too much BS for me)
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>>275218496
> if you make me walk then I'm just going to run from the battles anyway
Which you can't even do, because for some baffling reason the idiots developing the game decided to implement random encounters.
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>>275217682
>That tasty ass beat

Fuck it, stop, I'll buy the fucking game already, stop making me so hard, please.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meC5bLFaUDA&index=24&list=PL5F_VdIfyo7s7kbUSUwaIN0x5BklMY5l2
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>>275218719
Neither, buy Shin Megami Tensei IV, it's fucking amazing.
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play harder modes?
fucking idiot
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>>275218896
i already have that one.
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>>275218924
Then get Soul Hackers.

Or just get Pokemans ORAS. Persona Q is a waste of fucking money. Or just buy a better RPG in general.
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>>275218871
>that spooky jam
>tfw let the 3ds sit with an FOE on my tail so I can jam
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The only thing that annoys me is that you can't run from FOEs unless you get advantage, at least on risky mode.

>>275218896
SMTIV is really disappointing, worst mainline SMT game by far. It's still okay, but really nothing special, save for the excellent OST.
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>>275218871
Good God, trying to avoid that fucking old doll got me so ass blasted.

That dungeon had great atmosphere though.
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>>275215350
yeah the combat is gonna be very satisfying to you. return of the 5 man party and even more sub personaes feels great.
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>>275212980
It's fine. I just beat the game on risky this morning. Just be sure to get the Nozuchi skill card, as that'll let you cancel most enemy initiatives.
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>>275219298

>caught by the doll
>almost manage to beat it
>Diaharan
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>>275212000
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>>275219298
>Naoto uses Impure reach Mahamaon on it
>It works

That was such a surreal moment
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>>275219869
It's really the only way to kill it without getting bullshit lucky.

>>275219595
>Diaharan

No enemy should ever have a skill that heals 100% hp, unless they're scripted to only use it once.

Fuck that doll.
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>>275220168

I managed to beat the doll without instant kill, but then there's the four gay shrine dudes that are impossible to beat for me. Diaharan, Crazed Slash, it's too strong. Even the Reaper isn't as strong.
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Wait, what doll? The one in the "Don't Run!" Room?
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Should I beat P3 before playing this? The story is interesting but the gameplay in FES sucks
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>>275220563
The door blocker one. Old Doll
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>>275220623
if you hate the gameplay that much, then play P3P, it has direct commands like P4 did
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>>275220563
There's a different one you have to deal with further in.
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Is the first dungeon different depending on who you choose?
>>275220623
It's not necessary.
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>>275220623
>Gameplay in FES sucks
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>>275220563
You'll know the one when you get there.
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>>275220749
I heard the story suffers in that though. Does being a girl make up for it? can i be les?
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>>275220563
>mfw you first see the dolls red eyes in the darkness as it begins to follow you
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>>275220958
You can't run around the gameworld in P3P, and the cutscenes play out more like a visual novel (static backgrounds with character portraits). You can't be lez either.

FES is better for experiencing the story, so just stick with that.
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>>275220293
Did you pay attention to Elizabeth's hint? There's a trick to that FOE.
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>>275220958

Just go through FES first. Going through the endgame with those shitty 2D backdrops and every single action being dully described in text really dampens the climax.

P3P is a very good option for a second run through the game, though. FeMC only goes lesbian for Elizabeth, also /ss/ with Ken.
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>>275221398

I went there with four men, I got Crazed Slashed. I went there with four guys and fire and got Crazed Slashed AND Maragidyned. I can't think of anything, unless they're seriously counting the support.
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Post your face when Elizabeth actually uses those orbs you've been collecting to summon the best boss with the second-best theme in the game: http://youtu.be/cTxJGE8PMEY
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>>275221817
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>>275214171
Kanji/Aki front
Naoto/MC/Yukari back
I just want a bulky front with magic, is that too much to ask?
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>>275221552
It'd be impossible if they did, since you can't disable them. Did you have Teddie, Koro, Zen/Rei, or Ken? They don't count for whatever reason.
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>>275222448

Zen doesn't count? That sucks ass, especially since I had him solo. Shit, now I'm too stubborn to go fight them since I got help. I'll do it next playthrough.
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>>275209760


>Sub-personas give you pretty much infinite sustain for all non-boss fights
This is great. This prevents the game from becoming "Kill 3 mobs, trek back to get healed" x 100, while still requiring proper healing for FOE's and bosses.

>Mamudo/Mahama are OP as fuck, rarely blocked, never reflected
I agree, this is bullshit. Most enemies past the 3rd labyrinth should resist insta-kill, and everything in the 5th should straight up reflect it.

>Once you have identified a weakness, you can chain 0-SP spells on it forever
This just prevents the party from having to constantly go back to get healed, it's not a bad thing for mobs. Bosses and FOEs should've had weaknesses change in battle though.

>You can restart a labyrinth from the latest level
THANK GOD.

>Actually all elemental reflects are gone
WHY GOD.

>FOEs can be killed before you outlevel each labyrinth (except for those dolls)
This happens in most EO games as well. If you're on Hard, you just have to play smart. And get ready with lots of healing items.

>you never ever have to grind for money or XP in Normal mode
>in Normal mode
Yeah, there's your problem. EO true difficulty is Hard. Persona's true difficulty is Risky.

>random dungeon events rarely fuck you up
This isn't like Wizardy, where you would game over. If anything really fucks you up, you just leave an heal. Detrimental Dungeon events would have very little effect; they would just be a minor inconvenience.

>only one "complex" puzzle in the game, and you can skip it by talking to Naoto
Yup, should've been more puzzles.

>labyrinth bosses are easy and have predictable patterns
This does depress me a bit, but I didn't expect much else from Persona or Etrian Oddessy.
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PQ and Grimrock 2 really got me in the mood for some more dungeon crawlers.
Etrian Oddessy was on my backlog but it really moved up after PQ.
which EO is the best to start with? Untold?
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>>275223564
Start with 4 demo or 3 (Emulated, unless you want to just straight up buy it). Both 4, and Untold have a demo on the e-shop, but Untold forces you to go story, and that's not exactly a good first introduction to the series. not saying that it's bad - I don't want to force an opinion on you before you play it - but it's not exactly indicative of what the series is about, and thus, it's a 'bad' starting place to someone with no familiarity
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>>275209760
Should I get this game? I've been thinking about picking up the persona series, but not sure where to start.
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>>275223564
Get the IV demo. You can transfer your party and progress from it to the full game. Untold is good, too, if you play on classic mode, but only story mode is covered in its demo.
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>>275224631
Start with P3 FES, Q is probably the worst place to start the series.
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>>275224631
You should play Persona 3 FES, then Persona 4 first. You can emulate both of them if you don't have a Playstation.
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Okay I feel super stupid for asking this, but how do you do the puzzle with the three FOEs in the first dungeon?
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>>275224631
You won't be lost story-wise, but the game is basically fanservice for Persona 3 and 4 fans. Ideally, I'd suggest playing those first. P4 Golden is the best version of 4, while it's there is no definitive version of 3. You can either play P3 FES for the enhanced presentation and playable epilogue but no manual control over team members, or P3 Portable for the portability, control over team members, and female route (which is great but isn't canon), but suffers from worse presentation and game balance.
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>>275224631
I've never played a single game in the Persona series, but it really seems like Q was made to appeal to people who are already familiar with the casts, and want to experience a game where both casts meet up
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>>275225026
Make one of the side FOE s paint the middle bush so that the one blocking the stairs has to paint one of the bushes at the entrance.
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>Persona 2
>don't really bother with Persona fusion (come to think of it, I don't even think that was a thing)
>ep just grind for cards to make better demons
>Persona Q
>have to mind my fusions for every character or I'll get my shit kicked in
FUCK You know, I complained about not having enough control in P3/4, but this feels weird. This isn't like SMT fusion!
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Anyone know if you can copy save files? I want to move a save file from slot 1 to slot 2.
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>>275212980

Other than the usual enemy initiative = death I'd say it's pretty alright. Besides, not getting a game over when the MC dies in a persona doesn't feel right.
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As someone who loves a challenge but has never played an EO game, is risky the ideal difficulty or should I go with hard?
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>>275227593
Hard.

Risky's difficulty is perfect, but Auto-Game over when protag dies is bullshit.
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>>275227741
>but Auto-Game over when protag dies is bullshit.
>Persona
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>>275214171

Front: P4MC Kanji Koromaru
Back: Naoto P3MC

Fuuka as Battle Nav
Rise as Labyrinth Nav
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>>275227741
It wouldn't be Risky without a few risks. They tell you up-front why it's called "Risky", so there's really no point in complaining about it. You knew what you were getting into.
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>>275227870

The MCs are just good in this game instead of being godlike beings capable of destroying everything alone. That said, they give you tools to work around it. One of the early sub-personas gives you Endure and later on you get an item that lets your MC of choice survive one hit with 1 HP left each time you go into the dungeon.
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MC, Mitsu, Brotag
Naoto, Zen'n'Rei
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