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I must admit, I'm surprised to see how casuals FPS became.
I finished Singularity with almost no problem in normal, and Return to Castle Wolfenstein in normal mode is kicking my ass hard.
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No magical hp regeneration, no magical weapon, enemies are perfectly-trained soldiers instead of being mexicans with pistols.

Welcome to Hell.
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>>274034163
I hope your anus is prepared, OP.
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It's not hard
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>>274035441
You kidding, right?
>Himmler's Black Guard has an assault rifle dealing 20 dmg
>perfect accuracy when they're wielding it
>perfect reflexes allowing them to shoot your face the tenth of second they see you

>>274035339
I'm just starting the map with these faggots. I went from 2 tries/map to 30/map.
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When I was a kid, beat it in a day with no problems.The only problem, didn't had the nerves for the stealthy stuff.
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>>274036575
We were better at these games when we were kids.
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>>274036712
Am curious, downloading the game.
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It isnt exactly hard, especially since its designed with the notion that the player can just quick save/load.
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>>274036712
I think I had more patience as a kid.
I beat Blood on the hardest difficulty back then. I'd never do that today.
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>>274037176
forgot to mention but you want a hard old FPS then try the Timesplitters series on hard, you only get one checkpoint (it doesnt refill ammo or health) and its still hard as balls
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>>274037260
True. I remember doing Constantine's Mansion in Thief (a really, REALLY long maze) in one day.
When I retried it recently, it took me three days as I often left to do something else.
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>>274034163
>play FC4 on hardest difficulty
>zero problems with anything, never die, beat game in a few days

>play Blood on normal difficulty
>can't even get past 2nd episode

Games are for pussies now.
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>>274034163
for some goddamn reason when i first played the game i was scared of this gun
huh
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>>274037523
I remember being scared of that peculiar sound, when the boss summons ghosts. It sounded like a distorded scream.
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That's what happens when you grow up.
I used to be able to beat Earthworm Jim, Contra, Streets of Rage and other vidya within a day, when I was a kid.
Now I'd have to spend half a day just to clear the first level.
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>>274037296
Thats aritfical difficulty m8
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>>274034163
Singularity was pretty good fora modern fps.

Based Raven.
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>>274037296
>playing FPS on console
Now, why on earth would you do that?
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>>274037523
>>274037701

I got fucking scared at the point where the music keeps building and that skeleton suddenly sits up in the tomb.
I had already looked there, so I didn't expect anything. Then I looked again and it happened.
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>>274037817
True.

>>274037924
I remember being shocked that I couldn't work with the Nazis in the catacomb. These guys were trapped, on the verge of being eaten alive by zombies, and when I tried to help them, they shot me.
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>>274037505
>fc4
i love this one. There was mission where you were thrown on arena and i didn't even realized that i can pick up weapons until last round.
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>>274037924
>dat catacombs level

Those zombies and skeletons still spook me.

>mfw I thought the surviving German soldiers would be friendly in the face of the eldrich horrors of the tombs as a kid

I w-wanted to help you, Germanbros.
>mfw they weren't
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>>274038570
You do know you can kick the zombies to death, right?
You can kill them. SLOWLY.
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>>274037796
That is what people say when they cant beat a game.
>>274037832
Because it isnt on PC and its made with the console in mind (it has a lot of auto aim but requires good time management and reflex because the enemies are fast and have good aim)
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E.Y.E. is anything but casual. Give it a spin, OP.
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>>274038686
Oh yes, I found that out after wasting all of my ammo on them and having a truly nail biting run through the level with only my knife and boot. The next level was almost impossible too because it introduced those sexy latex chicks with the SMGs.

The area boss is creepy as fuck too, a shame that it's a pushover if you go back to the start of the level and trap it in the doorway.
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>>274039060
Fuck no, not that piece of shit again.


>>274039069
Yeah, but if you don't cheat and fight him fair, he's scary as fuck. I don't know how they made these summoning sound, but it's been, what, ten years? And I still have my hair rising when I hear these.
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>>274039069

All the bosses are pushovers in this game, to be honest.

Goddammit, you reminded me of that fucking awesome soundtrack this game had.

This track in particular makes me hard in my pants.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnWRMorI0-Q
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How do you 1080p?
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>>274039305
>complains about FPS being too casual
>refuses to play one that's challenging

Git gud.
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>>274038092
Holy shit you can pick up guns in the arena?
I jumped around that fucking Rhino for like 20 minutes with my machete
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>>274039447
EYE isn't challenging, it's shit badly coded and unoptimized.
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>>274039326
I remember the first time I heard that song.
>oh boy, more nazis to kill
>I'll kill them with my knife, haha
>wait a minute, these aren't soldier
>Himmler's para-troopers
>even worse than the Elite Guards
>got rekked
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>>274039060
E.Y.E is one of the most dream like and trippiest games I have ever played.
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>>274039504
>>274038092
>you survived without a gun
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I'm playing the first Max Payne for the first time and I have no idea how anyone is supposed to beat this without abusing quicksaves like a red headed stepchild
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>>274039991
Use and abuse bullet time.
They invented it, don't feel bad about using it.
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>>274037505
More like alot of older games had shitty and broken mechanics.

It's undeniable that there is a general trend towards casualization and ez-mode but it's also important to realize that older games were often hard because of shitty design (often caused by technical limitations).
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>>274037505
Blood isn't hard it just requires playing in an unenjoyable fashion to get through it. You have to memorize locations of enemies to pre-empt attacks, you have to use luring. It can also be kind of tedious. It's not so much that it's difficult it's that's designed to be unfun as shit.
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>>274040157
How so? I can't believe it is hard to limitate the NPC's accuracy, add some "reflex time" before they start shooting, or give them slow projectile.

No, the quick drawing robin hood with hitscan were designed to be hard, technical limitation have nothing to do with it.
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>>274039060
I tried EYE once. Wacky control shit going on, runs somewhat dick, terrible story, pacing and presentation. It was fucking garbage.
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>>274040497
Doesn't help that the community is garbage.
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Try on Descent for size, the harder difficulties will singe your ass so hard that your neighbors will come knocking on the door, asking "hey anon what's cooking, 'cause that sure smells fucking delicious"

>>274039991
It has dynamic difficulty, so if you're doing well the game gets progressively harder up to a level of pure bullshit
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>>274040214
>You have to memorize locations of enemies
A lot of people say this but it isn't true. If you check angles and pivot yourself about them appropriately and be ready to shoot etc you can get by just fine. You won't be able to evade every single cultist shot but you can drastically cut them down, and they drop health anyway so it's balanced. Also crouching helps a lot. Approach is very important in Blood, you don't just run into an area and run and gun like you do in other shooters. Also gotta use the right weapon for the right job.
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>>274040214
>>274040969

To be honest, I'm loving the challenge, but some of this is just absolute bullshit. The number of ambushes and the insane enemy placement takes some getting used too, but I'm loving the shooting/gameplay and exploration.

Fuck underwater sections though. Fuck them in the ass.
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>>274040804
Max Payne? Having dynamic difficulty?
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oh shit havent played this in years.
If I knew how to make lighter webms
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>>274041496
Yeah... never let a cultist/fanatic etc get under water. Btw an excellent weapon for under water cultists is voodoo doll. Perfect homing device and they'll also flinch while using it so they can't hurt you. Make sure you're using your secondary fire as well m80.
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>>274041742
Yep, look it up. It's pretty subtle, but it's there
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>>274041791
You know the best thing about that game?
You have three ways to open a door : you can open it normally, you can open it silently by holding the Walk touch, and you can FUCKING KICK IT OPEN WITH YOUR MIGHTY FOOT.
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>>274040804
Descent is a worthwhile game to play, but it's not really an FPS. It is largely 'first person' and it's a shooter. But it's vehicle control. If it were an FPS then so would Spectre VR, Mechwarrior, Battlezone, Commanche and Red Baron, etc...
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>>274041791
>>274041963
You know what I miss most in FPS games? Adventure and secrets. It was more than just blasting the shit out of cookie-cutter enemies, you had to solve simple puzzles and look for secret areas, exploring well designed, non-linear, multi-tiered levels.

Now, you either walk in a straight line and shoot at things or you're given a pointless "open world" where you walk from point A to point B and shoot at things.
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>>274042257
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I wanted to say something but when I look at my list of played FPS, I think you're right.
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>>274041791
More stabby
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>>274042257
Eh, most FPS games had simple puzzles if that. Honestly I'd rather not deal with secrets unless they were well done and they usually weren't. They were usually hump random wall for no good reason.

Also a good majority of old FPS games were largely segregated out to be fairly linear, just a more confusing - key grabbing way where backtracking might be necessary.

Secrets in multiplayer can go fuck right off entirely though.
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>>274042671
really clumsy here, ctrl isnt crouch
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>>274041791
>>274042671
It's funny. When Wolf RTCF came out it was a decent FPS but it wasn't considered amazing or anything. But now, compared to how shitty FPS's have become, it looks fucking incredible by comparison.
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>>274042851
I wish there was more games encouraging stabbing while making it fun. The only solo one I know is Dishonored, and you get a bad ending if you kill people.

Otherwise there's Team Fortress 2, but it's with humans, it's less fun.
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Can I get some thoughts on

>Shadow Warrior (2013)
>Wolfenstein: The New Order
>Far Cry 4

?

Thanks
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>>274043209
Okay.
>Shadow Warrior
Tried the demo, looked fun. Seems to encourage wild slashing, through. Also the main character is a bit annoying.

>Wolfenstein: The New Order
Haven't tried it. Looks extremely violent, and replace the good ol' stabbing by some shitty takedown.

>Far Cry 4
Heard many good things about it. It's basically Far Cry 3, but minus the 2deep4you plot, and with more stuff.
If you like the Far Cry franchise, you'll like it. If you like run'n'gun, you'll hate it.
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>>274037924
>zombie climbs out of fire pit
>spits streams of fire at me
>have to wait until he follows me around a corner to shoot him again
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>>274043209
>Shadow Warrior
Old school as fuck, most of the weapons are kind of garbage. Sword and crossbow are the most reliable, every time.

>Wolfenstein: The New Order
Maybe a bit too much time spent playing with the plot, but incredibly visceral, satisfying, and violent when you're actually shooting, particularly at the beginning and the end.
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>>274043459
I thought Far Cry 3 was raaly damn good, especially the first two thirds. It was really stupid of them to kill off Vaas when they did.
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>>274043209
Shadow warrior is fun as FUCK.

Far cry 4 is far cry 3.5, its fun but gets boring pretty quick.

Also check out Hard Reset, shits fucking great.
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>>274034163
Game isn't that hard and I finished on death incarnate yesterday. Only lopers gave me trouble as always. That and how slow and sneaky I had to be on the last level with the damage sponge solders

Still it reminded me of how much I loved the genre. Cheesy and funny soldier conversations that made me not want to kill them. And the voice actors for the osa are enjoyable. So many fucking weapons too available at all times and finding armor and ammo
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>>274043459
>Shadow Warrior
if you like games like painkiller or hard reset do it
>Wolfenstein: The New Order
good gameplay and shit always going on around you but shitty story like most FPS
>Far Cry 3: 2
the same as fc3 really unless you care about the shitty story
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RTCW is one of my favorite singleplayer FPS games. It's just so fucking good. But fuck these guys.

I need to replay this game soon.
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Has anyone tried Lichdom or Ziggurat? Are either of them worth trying out?
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Every year I go back to Doom and Serious Sam.

Serious Sam is both mindless and challenging for some reason, only playing on Serious of course.
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>>274043756
>>Shadow Warrior
>Old school as fuck
you dont know what 'old school' actually means son. it lacks the level design which is one of the most important. Also throwing wave after wave of enemies at you is only 'old school' in the sense that serious sam is 'old school'. Shadow Warrior remake is not old school in the sense of the actual original Shadow Warrior.
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Wus dat, more stabbing

>>274042968
It was always one of my favourties.Early 2000's is my favourite FPS era.In my neighbourhood, it was insta classic 10/10.This, CS, Max Payne, Medal of Honour, classics.
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>>274043774
I personally hated Vaas, but I reckon it was a really weird decision to kill him at the half of the game to replace him by Generic Evil Boss #15534.

>>274043793
>its fun but gets boring pretty quick
The thing is that Far Cry games often shows you the same setting over and over. It's you, as the player, who has to change his way to attack the outpost in order to keep it fun.
Wanna go Rambo with bow and arrows? Wanna stab everyone? Wanna snipe? Wanna free that monsters?

Far Cry games are relying on that mechanism of giving you the same puzzle while offering you different way to solve it a bit too much, I agree.
But I personally never get bored.

>>274043951
Shadow Warrior has nothing to do with Painkiller.

>>274044078
I tried Lichdom during Early Access.
Maybe it's because I have a toaster, but...
>5 FPS
>everyone is ugly as hell
>enemies are bullet sponge, you need to shoot them in the face several time to kill them
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>>274037924
>the final boss is hyped up during the entire game
>he's supposedly some invicible magical warrior capable of wrecking entire armies
>he's actually among the easiest encounters in the entire fucking game
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I haven't played Max Payne in forever

Rather than abusing quickloads, I think you were abusing Bullet Times.

>i know there's stuff behind that turn
>MULLET TIME
>slow-mo around the corner blasting all the scum and low-lifes
>take a long drag off my cigarette, smoking almost as much as the barrels of my guns
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>>274043951
>good gameplay and shit always going on around you but shitty story like most FPS
who the fuck cares about story in FPS?
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>>274044139
Also replaying Serious Sam made me realize it has shitty as fuck bosses goddamn.

Ironic how the only GOOD boss in the series, something that required some thinking and dodging, was in an outsourced console port.
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>>274044139
>Serious Sam is both mindless and challenging for some reason
Because of these fucking kamikazes. If it were only for the normal enemies, the game would be easy as fuck, but the kamikazes are a damn pain in the ass that forces you to be constantly ready, in case you hear that scream, to turn around and shoot him.

If it weren't for them, the game would be easy as fuck.
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>>274044224
>its fun but gets boring pretty quick
The thing is that Far Cry games often shows you the same setting over and over. It's you, as the player, who has to change his way to attack the outpost in order to keep it fun.
Wanna go Rambo with bow and arrows? Wanna stab everyone? Wanna snipe? Wanna free that monsters?

Far Cry games are relying on that mechanism of giving you the same puzzle while offering you different way to solve it a bit too much, I agree.
But I personally never get bored.

I agree entirely, I guess I just personally enjoy faster paced games, and far cry has always felt like crysis without a super suit to me. Whenever I start getting into far cry i just go play crysis, but thats just me.
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>>274044454
Never tried Crysis. Is it fun?
Do I have a bow in that game? I like bows ever since I started playing Thief.
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>>274044447
What? No way, Kleer are much worse.
The game is pretty much shoot and run but at high difficulties you need to have good aim and know how many hits each enemy will take.
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>>274044237

>mfw final boss
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>>274044582
You can strafe to avoid the Kleers. You can't strage to avoid the kamikazes.

AND THESE FUCKING SCREAMS WILL HAUNT MY NIGHTS MORE THAN THE KLEERS' HOOVES
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>>274044447
The kamikazes aren't even bad, they're just attention magnets and fun as fuck to fight. The Kleers are the real threat, they deal assloads of damage, absorb ridiculous amounts of damage and always come in preposterous numbers
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>>274044570
Crysis 1 and warhead are fucking amazing. Crysis 2 is total shit.

Crysis 3 fixes a ton of the issues with 2 and is really fun, but not as good as 1 and warhead. 3 has a bow thats the best bow I've ever used.
>can adjust draw weight
>air burst explosive arrows
>electric arrows
>thermite arrows

Shits great
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>>274044742
Kamikazes die if you sneeze on them.
Even so you can take like 4-5 of them and survive.
One kleer gets behind you in the middle of a horde fight? Your timings gets all fucked up if you don't 180 and kill it ASAP and it WILL fuck you up if you ignore it.

Kleer are my favorite skeletons in all video games.
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where's my ET boys at
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>>274045095
In Serious Sam 3, kamikazes exploding create a dust cloud hiding stuff.
Kleers don't.
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>>274044978
>Crysis 1 and warhead are fucking amazing
Agreed. I don't know why Crysis is so underrated. Nobody ever mentions it.
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>>274045214
why the fuck did it need to have just two short campaigns
why the fuck did it need to be so unbalanced
why the fuck did it need to be so fucking amazing and wonderful and how come we will never get something like it again
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>>274044224
>Shadow Warrior has nothing to do with Painkiller.
i thought enemies came in waves in shadow warrior anyway the general feel of those games reminded me of each other
still its been a long time since i played any of them
>>274044390
you never know someone might have shit taste
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This shouldn't be happening
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>>274045214
I'm pretty sure everyone went spec ops with that f42 scoped rifle or whatever. It was so easy stealthily killing people
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>>274045370
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MTqZOAswrI
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>>274045296
the max payne one always cracks me up
fucking skeletons
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>>274039060
The design is good, but they actual game they made is horrible.
Give it to a decent studio and it would be GOTY.

The maps in that game are literally something I could make in Hammer in a weekend
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>>274045330
I think its cause people mistake it for a tech demo and then play it like halo instead of using all the suit powers.
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>>274045371
That and field ops with fucking marker flares
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