Alright, /v/. Let's pretend that you must make a pilgrimage through the bowels of Hell and it is inhabited entirely of people from the games industry (devs, publishers, journalists).
Who is the bold philosopher that guides you through this infernal plane and whose shades will you meet as you traverse the nine circles.
>Yves Guillemot is pushing rocks in greed
>Phil Fish is loosing his shit in Wrath on the river Styx
>Anthony Burch, a sodomite, is wandering the burning desert of Violence
>Fifth Circle, Wrathful
That sounds fucking metal
i don't really understand the idea of hell. if lucifer or satan wanted to tempt people to evil, then why does he torture them in the afterlife? why not just make hell a comfy place with food and video games.
Wait this makes no sense.
Everyone is a bunch of those things over the course of their life, how do you know which one sticks?
Also the Suicides one does not sound that bad, since trees have no nerves and thus don't feel pain, being torn apart wouldn't really be that big of a deal.
Better question would be how would be getting chewed for eternity really be any worse than getting stuck in a burning coffin for eternity. Or really any of the others. Its bad, but not really any worse than the others
Well god created everything right? That means he created Lucifer. Therefore Lucifer (and all evil really) is just another expression of God. Lucifer s reason for hating "God's Creations" is really a way for God to punish his own creations to serve whatever perfect end such agony accomplishes in his all knowing mind. As human we will never understand, all we can do is submit to his will and accept the trials we face as necessary for the creation of the best possible world.
You see how there are levels of hell? You go to the deepest one where an act you took applies. So if you committed suicide but you also killed your brother you would go all the way to the Ninth Circle and suffer the punishments there.
i don't think nerve's would work very well without supporting cells and tissue, so non flesh trees would be out of the question. i think it's better to think of it as a blob of flesh shaped into that of a tree. of course it'll need bones to support the weight of the flesh, which in turn needs all sorts of other stuff. how would metabolism work for tree shaped flesh anyway. your heart would have to be pretty strong to pump blood up to all of the branches. do you have roots?
There is no physicality to hell, you experience purely mental anguish as a purely mental being. Last time I checked corpses stay where they fall, unlike some video games where they tend to disappear into the abyss.
But wouldn't you get used to it, like being in the hot tub for a while?
Bobby Kotick in Hoarders in the fourth circle, Tim Schafer in Spenders
>Wrathful: Engaged in combat with one another on the surface of the River Styx
Sounds metal as fuck, sign me up.
We need more righteous Pagans to live in limbo's castle, /v/. Who are the most enlightened men in vidya?
what kind of tree in particular. what if i lived my entire life in a desert have never seen a tree before. would i be turned into a cactus.
>tfw Yui will freeze in the bottom of hell for what he did to Souls
Isn't that ironic? The ones who renounced their heathen ways at the end might avoid the terrible fate that is Valhalla. Good Christians are saved if they beg for forgiveness on their death bed. All power to our lord and saviour Jesus Christ
Satan is just as trapped in Hell as the rest of the people in the 9th circle. Inferno tends to present him as a mindless, enraged yet trapped beast, the complete opposite of God who is omnipotent, omniscient, and completely free. Try not to forget this is a poem and not actual theology.
Milton Satan best Satan.
Good question, I'll reply with a very common answer. Good and evil are created when we as humans place value on things created by god. We over step our bounds if we claim that any act is good or evil, as the divine plan simply sees everything as directed by God Will. You who cannot hope to understand his will should, therefore, submit to it. That's when religion starts popping up, men take the place of God and ask you to bow to their rules (of good and evil) instead of accepting that morals are simply relative.
Furthermore, if God is omnipotent and all powerful, why would he allow one of his favorite angel dudes to go to the dark side? And lose thousands of souls to said dark side?
Why does religion portray God as so incompetent at his only job? I like to think God's a little better than that.
And it's the biggest self-insert in the history of literature. Dante's little mary sue
I still love the Divine Comedy. Funny thing, it was only called a comedy because of the happy ending. He learns and crawls back out of hell.
Also the original title was just La Commedia. People that liked it just added Divine to it.
Satan and Lucifer always carry with them some type of attraction I think, whatever version appeals to you the most helps illuminate your own personal weaknesses. Or in some cases, strengths.
>Betrayers of Guests
AS, ZQ, and other SJW liars
White knights of #gamergate
Steam sales fags
The few who still play CoD or EA games and say "Trust me, it's gotten better."
Idorts who have a Mac and not a PC
Got to be honest. Wrathful looks pretty fun.
Exactly, we must accept that God planned for Satan's departure and therefore that the creation of what we see as "evil" is simply another extension of Gods will. We are left at a moral impasse if we are led to believe God's existence as an absolute perfect being, and admitting imperfection destroys the credibility god carries. This means that any religious believer has simply been tricked into following very much human ideas of right and wrong. There is nothing wrong with believing in God, there is something wrong in believing you can understand God however, especially to a degree in which you accurately interpret him.
like memore than likely carry immense egos and consider Pride to not be as much of a sin as it is a strength, a measurement of self-worth and actualization in the face of a collectivist ideology.
The Divine Comedy Fans tend to be the opposite, believing in social collectivism and the importance of humility for a more utilitarian society.
So, wrathful is basically just deathmatch in hell?
I've found that too! Pride isn't much of a sin anyway, lets be honest. Still something can be sinful and powerful, they are the seven deadly sins after all not the seven unreliable suggestions.
>tfw get to hell because of my sins
>go to the fifth circle because of my wrath towards other people
>think to myself "oh well, at least I'll be somewhat entertained"
>no hardened warriors
>no fallen heroes
>just CoD-kiddies that throw spears at each other and scream "rekt", "420 blaze it noscoped faggot" and some guy that does dubstep noises with his mouth every time someone gets a spear in his head
>phl 101 plebs haven't even solved the problem of evil yet.
There are three tenants
>God is all powerful
>God wants to stop evil
These three facts contradict each other. If for a moment we accept that God uses the rules of logic (he doesn't necessarily have to, he is not bound by anything even logic) then one of these three must be false.
It is possible Evil doesn't exist, and that God considers the sin of the world something that is ultimately good.
Alternatively it is possible God doesn't have infinite power, he can't see the future, he can't take away free will, ect.
Finally we must accept it possible that God chooses not to. Either he is apathetic, or he in some way has decided that the "best possible universe" is one with evil, not one without. Either he doesn't want you to lose free will, because it makes your successes and acts of devotion that much greater, or he in some other way views a world without evil to be shallow or wrong.
I think if the pride is a biased egoism that ignores the importance of your place in the universe it is "sinful" pride. Being aware of your abilities and having an understanding of yourself in a fair and honest way, and being happy that you are you is the unsinful form of pride.
That is another great question, and I have to ask in response if you submit to anything you don't have 100% understanding of? Your governing body perhaps? Maybe your own physical limitations? I think there are many times in life where we don't have the luxury to ask why we submit to uncertainty, only that we must submit to the unknown.
Dante's work has nothing to do with Christianity and there are a bunch of people, like Brutus, mentioned in certain places in hell purely based on Dante's own value judgement.
Didn't you read this in some sort of literature class?
Limbo doesn't sound like hell at all, it sounds pretty awesome actually. You can meet a bunch of cool people.
>The castle is the dwelling place of the wisest men of antiquity, including Virgil himself, as well as the Persian polymath Avicenna. In the castle Dante meets the poets Homer, Horace, Ovid, and Lucan; the Amazon queen Penthesilea; the mathematician Euclid; the scientist Pedanius Dioscorides; the statesman Cicero; the first doctor Hippocrates; the philosophers Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, and Averroes; the historical figures Lucretia, Lucius Junius Brutus, and Julius Caesar in his role as Roman general ("in his armor, falcon-eyed"); mythological characters Hector, Electra, Camilla, Latinus, and Orpheus; and many others. Interestingly, he also sees Saladin in Limbo (Canto IV).
he wants to tempt them to evil specifically so he can torture them.
He can't touch anyone that God protects, so he's forced to try to get them sin so they lose that protection.
He's the ultimate butthurt after being tossed out of heaven.
The problem of evil seems to be solved by simply saying evil doesn't exist or that god is not all powerful. I have trouble with both of those but find it easier to take a Spinozistic approach and claim that evil doesn't exist. there you are trying to understand Gods will at the end of your post even after saying God doesn't need to use rules of logic. Either way the problem of evil is far from solved (instead pushed aside) and relies very heavily on the existence of God which itself can be debated. There is evil in the world is there not? When a jew company rips you off on your next game purchase? When Hitler decimated the population of Europe during the holocaust? When someone attacks someone you love and causes them undeserved harm? Are these things not evil?
Limbo isn't really hell. Which is why it's called limbo. It's for people who were legitimately good in real life but do to a lack of knowledge and ignorance of the world did not come to know God. Their only true "suffering" is that there is a heaven that they are eternally left out of.
But it seems like a boss place to bro down.
No I went to school in America. We read A Separate Peace four times.
Literally. Not even hyperbole here four fucking times in four fucking different English classes AND the movie AND the audiobook. John Knowles can choke on a dick.
>Wrathfags wanting to be in an existence without our vidya Heavenly Father, Gaben
who would want to live without such a bearded smile looking down upon you, knowing that the savior of vidya walks with you, waiting for the day when he commands you and other soldiers of God in the final crusade against console gaming and the armies of Hell
It's not, just in the Divine Comedy
Which is a poem, not an actual theological depiction of hell.
It is, however, where we get most of our concepts of hell, in the bible it just said some shit about it being a bad place
We need more heretics in here, /v/. Who are they?
Limbo isn't supposed to be punishment. Its a relatively pleasant place where good non-Christians go.
Canonically Hell is just a place absent from God. If you look at it from the time the bible was compiled, hell was any place far from the reach of Constantinople and monarchy. Hell is bad because seeing as their is no rule or order it's absolute anarchy, anyone does what they want. The consequence of following the ideas of free will by following your evil desires over virtue.
Sort of this.
Basically what's happening in Dante's depiction of Inferno is that a person's soul is being tortured; Dante's description is nothing like what it's actually like since human language is unable to accurately describe what's going on in any of these realms. He just uses words to convey the closest thing he can think of that humans would understand.
However after the Day of Judgement, there will be a 'resurrection of the body', when the bodies (in perfect wholeness, not rotted away) of all who died throughout history will be reunited with their souls. Then everyone will be judged again in front of God, and those cast back to Hell will experience even more torment since they have their body back; it will be both a physical and spiritual torment.
At least that's what I remember from the last time I studied the poem.
Moral Relativity then is where you draw your line. I'm personally really trying to avoid that stance because it leads to a lot of conflict with systems of order based on value but I have trouble myself. I can't offer you more in terms of argument, but maybe if we look at how we develop our concepts of evil. Are we born knowing that some things are good and some things are bad? What or who teaches us these concepts then, is pain simply the driving force of all human development. Maybe the avoidance of pain is a better way to think of it. Either way you're very pessimistic and I like it, very "/v/" of you.
they very well can be considered not evil if you either think big picture or more zen-like. Things are how they are, worrying about what is "right" and "wrong" misses the point.
Besides if we bring determinism into the picture ethics goes right out the window.
Hell isn't Lucifer's domain in the bible and actual religion as it's depicted in most other portrayals. Hell's a prison the unrighteous and sinners are condemned to, including Lucifer. One interpretation is the torment galvanizes you toward realizing you were wrong and repenting, or getting you stuck in self-pity, in which case you don't deserve to be saved.
Nothing is objective. Evil is what you deem to be evil.
Human life is a complex interaction among thousands, if not millions, of other humans. If you try to reduce it down to some simplistic statement like "we are born knowing evil" then you miss the point.
Humanity is like a computer where every single individual transistor gets to choose it's own state based on how it feels that day. Imagine how phenomenally difficult it would be to create a program for that computer.
Such a program could not exist within the bounds of logic.
determinism isn't relevant to us third dimensional beings (or whatever) though so as far as we are concerned we have free will and all that. It's no biggie. Unless you believe in randomness of any sort affecting causality or in some sort of metaphysic soul mind making decisions outside the physical world you're absolutely a determinist.
you life is not yours to give away anon. who's going to pay the taxes when your gone?
It's fun to think that way but even you are admitting there is some order and some function to absolutely everything. I like the idea of connection in the physical world but in the mental well, do you consider your mind simply electricity too. Another program to be replicated? I think it's silly to think we can't know anything. We have real working knowledge just by the fact we have agency that allows us understand and reproduce. This order you allude to is a system we are part of and concious of. I for one, would like to understand how to best achieve my part at the very least.
why the fuck would you think you own the soul God gave you?
if we are taking God out of the arguement, one could say that even acts like that arent inherently evil. Rather, they have consequences that certain parties find less than desirable. The being that took action in order to bring out those consequences may have fully believed that they were justified and good for oding what they were doing. Also, they may have believed that any evil and misfortune wrought from their actions would be negligible compared to the results they would experience and were looking for. barely passed one college philosophy class
Depends. If you just want more gruesome descriptions of punishment and people Dante doesn't like, then no. The rest definitely takes a bit more thought and attention than Inferno, as Dante's theology (and theology in general) becomes more and more important and complex as he gets closer to Paradiso.
It's not nothing. It's a melancholic place where you know that there is eternal bliss but you cannot get to it.
There is no torment beyond that, so it's comparatively nice when you look at the other circles.
There's a disturbing lack of souls in there, /v/. Something must be done.
It's sort of a combination of violence against people combined with violence against God. You're breaking the commandment 'Thou shalt not kill' whilst simultaneously rejecting your own life.
I don't think his dad would wish eternal fucking agony upon his son for selling the watch though.
That's the biggest issue I have with hell and God in general. The punishments he doles out are completely disproportionate to the crimes.
Carmack and Palmer Luckey for selling the Oculus Rift to Facebook.
>since trees have no nerves and thus don't feel pain
Plants actually do feel pain, and are telepathic as well.
Yeah, the concept of heaven is retarded because it doesn't reward good people, it just rewards the ones who go to church every Sunday and donate to the collection plate like good little cultists.
>Zeus had infinite power can see the future, and can take away free will
fuck off faggot if he was powerful enough to create the heavens and earth he is powerful enough to call God
It's not on the surface, they are swimming inside the river.
And it's less battling than more biting and scratching at everything they come across, like some little girls.
You're just moving the goalposts, defining God's power so that they can fit with your arguments. Greek Mythology is a different story, they had a different belief and thought that their Gods weren't the strongest things. Instead, they believed in some kind of cosmic force which controlled the gods.
If you read my pragmatic point of view a few posts earlier i was talking about "possibilities." Obviously all of them do not perfectly fit with Judeo-Christian conceptions of God.
Besides he totes did in the Bible.
Sort of missing the point.
All humans sin. Sin is an affront against God. God is perfectly just, so must punish sin. However since God is also a cool guy, he decided to give humanity a chance for redemption by sending Jesus to take the sins of humanity upon himself and taking the punishment for all of that, which has to be doled out by God, since that's the concept of justice, punishment = crime.
By transferring the sins of humanity onto Jesus, humanity is no longer tainted by sin. There's been a transfer of sin from humans to Jesus. As a result, Christians (since according to this theology, Jesus is the only way to get to God) are able to get this eternal reward because they aren't burdened by sin.
>Funny thing, it was only called a comedy because of the happy ending
No shit, captain. You mean, the word comedy was actual used as it should? As in, the opposite of a drama?
Man, that really is damn funny. Pure
It's not just that. That one pit is incredibly fucking weird.
All the snakes were once thieves. When a snake bites someone, the bitten one will have a very painful transformation, turning him into a snake as well. Whereas the biter has a reversed painful transformation back into a human, who then has to flee from the snakes until bitten again.
It's an endless game of tag.
But if he really is omnipotent, all of this is unnecessary. He could literally change the way sin works or erase it completely.
The fact that he doesn't means that he wants to test us, but such testing is also useless, as god is supposedly omniscient and would know if we fail or pass even before we were born.
So it all comes down to a god that wants us to purge ourselves of sin that he allowed and allows us to be tainted with, all the while knowing whether any one of us is successful or not. He is like a kid with an ant farm.
The point of the sacrifice was, that Jesus gets sent to hell, battles his way through it, makes Lucifer a little bitch and opens a portal to the purgatory/heaven.
The sole reason of his sacrifice was, so people who die after him can get into heaven.
It doesn't get rid of sin. Sin is always going to exist until the day of the Last Judgement.
What the sacrifice of Jesus does within Christian theology is allow for a way for the Divine Punishment that humans deserve for sinning to be applied to Jesus instead. This way, God remains Just, since sin (which is the bad thing, not humans) has been punished.
It's sort of a one-off payment. In dying for humanity, Jesus took on all the sin that will ever be committed and took the punishment for it
That would be ruling through fear. If the fear of punishment is the only reason you do not commit crimes, you are still a criminal at heart.
The ideal would be that no one wants to do crimes, even if it was possible to get away with it.
maybe. Those with solid ethical systems (deontology, consequentialism, Aristotelian Virtue Ethics) may disagree, but as a moral relativist you're clearly better than them aren't you?
When Jesus was sacrificed it made it so that the burden of sin was taken from us to Jesus. So long as you accept Jesus you won't receive the truly deserved punishment for your actions because Jesus was already sacrificed for it. This is God's grace and mercy.
Or at least I think that's how it goes in general , I'm in no way a religious scholar, or a religious person really. Just what I picked up from my youth.
I don't believe in a god, but I certainly don't believe in one who puts people in eternal torment for not following arbitrary guidelines. If there is some sort of omnipotent god he'll be able to judge people fairly in with proper context.
So vallhalla is located on the fifth circle of hell?
>Betrayers of Country
>Being punished by god in the worst way possible because you betrayed a geopolitical piece of land in a map.
>More specifically a piece of land that you had no choice in choosing to land into.
Okay, people. Back on topic.
Lust, heresy, and wrath is pretty barren right now.
Angels are divine beings created by God prior to his creation of humanity. They have nothing to do with humans. Lucifer was an angel when he rebelled against God with other angels and God casted them out, which is why there are angels in hell in The Inferno.
100% this. As someone who has tried their hand at playing god in plenty of video games that allow such things, it seems pretty obvious to me that a real god would be much more fair and not a huge goddamn retard who only loves those who circlejerk over his son's corpse.
Dante's theology is pretty standard for his time. Betraying the country is betraying God, the Divine Right of Kings and all that.
Doesn't hold up to modern day of course, but nobody ever accused Christianity of not constantly changing.
I think the sacrifice of Jesus makes it so that humanity is 'neutral' with God, instead of being at -100 relations due to a 'Sin' modifier.
Neutral isn't enough to get into heaven though, and since you've only got Heaven or Hell, which is why you've got to accept Jesus as lord and saviour and all the rest of it.
>/v/ having a civiI theology debate
aight first off back in the days before the Resurrection those of the jewish faith sent the purest priests to sacrifice for a person's sins, a pure Iamb. During the OId testament it was mostIy about the history and triaIs of the tribes of judah and being the chiIdren of God did not wish to convert them to the jewish faith. This does not mean the Gentiles couId not foIIow God as the bibIe is fuII of exampIes however conversion was not a major part of the reIigion (see modern day jews)
This changed was the Son of God died went to heII and brought back aII who wouId foIIow him
Fuck, dude. God made Humans, he can change them. I mean fuck, why in the actual fuck would he make it so that people can sin and them blame them for it. It's their nature. Like eating to die.
By the way, if you guys really are interested in this sort of thing, you might enjoy watching this.
I'm not telling you to believe it, or that it is legit, but it's still fun to watch and think about, in my opinion.
>Heaven or Hell
Pretty sure Christianity has the concept of purgatory.
So if you're neutral go God, you actually get your chance to repent in there until you're fine enough for heaven.
I don't subscribe to the christian faith myself, but the implication is that changing humans would be meddling with free will that God also gave humans.
If you ask me, it's a vicious circle where a god who could easily end all human suffering doesn't do it out of pride and then punishes people for succumbing to something he made them susceptible to.
No matter how you look at that, God comes off as being malicious.
>I mean fuck, why in the actual fuck would he make it so that people can sin and them blame them for it. It's their nature.
It wasn't part of their nature though. Milton sums it up in Paradise Lost as 'Sufficient to have stood, though free to fall' (although that applies more to Adam and Eve who fucked it up for everyone else really).
God could have just destroyed Adam and Eve when they fucked up, but instead decided that it would be more fun to prove how great he was by letting sin fuck them over for a while before sending Jesus along to save humanity from Hell as a default final destination.
There's one thing that never made sense to me.
God made humans in his image, but how does that work with evolution? Evolution is accepted by pretty much all but the most hardcore fundamentalists at this point so there has to be an explanation.
We started as a single celled organism, does that mean God is a single celled organism himself? Have we grown more advanced than God?
Depends which branch of Christianity you adhere to as to whether you believe in Purgatory.
In any case, it isn't a place for neutrals though, it's a place for sinners who didn't sin enough to warrant a place in Hell. They spend their time purifying themselves from 'lesser' sins until they're pure enough for heaven.
To be honest, there's not really such a thing as 'neutral' when it comes to Christianity though
>I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
>So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth
If you're abivalent towards Jesus and Christianity, you're screwed as well. Pretty much 'With us or against us' it appears
Yes and yes. Humanity is suffering because Adam was successfully tempted by Eve and Satan and committed the Original Sin. And I quoted Romans 3:23.
But I should say that most people don't take the Adam and Eve story literally anymore.
That's 'original sin', which everyone inherited from the sin of Adam and Eve. That's the reason why everyone (without repentance and Jesus) is going to Hell. Jesus allows that sin to be cancelled out, resetting a person to a 'neutral' state with God. Every other sin is something humans commit of their own volition.
Sort of related, but I was looking through some old Indian religious texts the other day and those fuckers predicted a lot of shit science was only able to confirm recently, almost to a scary degree.
They fairly accurately described things like the age and size of the universe, the big bang, evolution and a bunch of other stuff. It's always cool, and really weird, to find these ancient predictions that turned out to be true.
>just CoD-kiddies that throw spears at each other and scream "rekt", "420 blaze it noscoped faggot" and some guy that does dubstep noises with his mouth every time someone gets a spear in his head
Since we are talking about the afterlife, I had a dream a couple nights ago.
In the dream, I awoke to find myself in a toy store. For some reason I knew I was dead or had just died and as a result I ended up in the toy store. This place looked awesome. There was all kinds of cool shit. Video games, model spaceships, nerf guns, RC cars, chemistry sets, and so on.
I came upon the front desk and there was a man. This guy looked awful. His hair was grey, his skin pale and clammy and his eyes lacked color and had bags underneath. He just looked horribly sick. I asked him, "How long have you been here?"
He moaned and said in a weak voice, "1000 years."
I asked him "What is this place?" except he didnt say anything. All he did was just stand there. So I left him alone.
At the back of the store was a man standing in front of a door. As I approached the door I could see a flickering light from behind the door as well as faint noise coming from behind. I said to the man,
"You must be the Guardian" To which he replied "That's correct."
"Then you must be Uriel!" I said.
This statement caused him to smile and chuckle
"How do I figure out where I am?" I asked.
"If you look hard enough, this place will tell you." He replied.
So I began to look around the toy store at the various items and toys for clues on where I was. It was then I came upon a pillow. I picked up the pillow. It was purple with and made with fake velvet. I put the pillow next to my ear and listened.
and it said
The only god is you. CHIM is real.
Pretty much. Sucks that we're either right and nothing happens, or wrong and we're tortured painfully for eternity while there's a huge party going on forever and ever.
I can kind of see why people like religion so much.
> /v/ knowing this much about general theology and the Divine Comedy
You guys are pretty fine
Limbo isnt really supposed to be.
The punishment of limbo is that you are denied entrance to heaven.
Limbo itself is pretty sweet. But its not as awesome as heaven.
The unbaptized, and people who were virtuous but didnt worship god/cut a few corners end up here.
Is this thread really filled with catholics/christians?
like for real?
>Not worshipping the sun
>Makes life possible on this planet
Can't blame the sun for submitting to entropy, like all things.
Nah I just remember a bunch from going to a Protestant church for my childhood and attending a catholic high school.
It's pretty hilarious when people attack Christianity in posts responding to my own like I'm supposed to get offended.
I'm surprosed at how quickly religion jumped back on the internet in the past year
I'm assuming because you've used the reddit boogeyman for a while now.
I truthfully stayed in this thread because I enjoy catholic Highlights in media, like Evangelion. as for appliying it in real life; fuck that
what's so funny?
I'm sure it goes both ways m8
They do in Inferno
"WHY DO YOU SPEND!!!" say the hoarders to the spenders
"WHY DO YOU HOARD!!! say the spenders to the hoarders
That would be like worshiping The Lady from Discworld.
Well there's a bunch of shit, They accurately predicted the age of Earth to be around 4.5 billion years. They also described a cycle of life, in which every so often a mass extinction takes place to make place for new organisms, which later turned out to be true. Then there's the Dashavatara thing which resembles evolution since it accurately goes from fish, to reptile, to mammal and so on.
A lot of it is obviously coincidence, but it's still cool to see these resemblances.
My closest family is religious but I'm not. I'm not against it at all and don't think I'm above anyone I just don't like shaky things or think it's important to dwell on such an offensive subject.
I wasn't brought up in a religious environment so I never gave it a thought. And even outside of my family I never got into contact with it much. This country has a non-religious majority, and religion generally considered to be a private matter that you don't flaunt in public.
they were essentially doing the same things in life, its just them conflicting there that they would justify arguing
otherwise It's just
>hey get angry at that dude
>yo, why. buddy is just moving boulders and it's pretty clear the job isn't going to get done for a while so why make a fuss
Yeah this sounds like heaven for some people. I mean sure, it's muddy and dark and wet, but eternal combat with other damned souls is better than being immersed in boiling pitch or eaten by harpies for eternity.
>All of /v/ gathers in the fifth circle
>eventually satan sends demons to train
>considers us equal to pure rage since we are not bound to the physical manifestation of our rage but our mental and spiritual
>offers us all jobs
>Now we get to bang succubusses, drink styx wine and rage for eternety in peace
v = 5 in greek numerals
wrath is in the fifth circle of hell
I wish we had a /theo/ board of course it would lead to endless shitposting from edgy teenagers and not interesting discussions like in this thread
>nobody is shitposting in this thread.
Are you saying this is bad? We had previous threads both here and on /tg/ about the many gods of the world that did not decend on shit flinging bullshit
Until the judgement day, then you're set free to get judge on your deeds again and to see if you repent, also god releases some sort of hyper satan to wreck the shit of every true sinner
You got autism
I like raging, I come here to get angry. I can't get angry in real life since I already look depressed and I already got sugested by 3 people that I should take anger management. whether it's theologically evil or not and deserving of punishment is an issue between a bunch of 60 year olf men in robes in a circle for all I care
Are you seriously going to take everything I say literally or do you not understand the title of "internet Hate Machine" here.
I never really see it brought up, but one of the main reasons I don't buy Abrahamic religions is because of how human-centric they are. We're not special snowflakes, we could be wiped out any second by an event of cosmic proportions far beyond our understanding. The idea of grand creator who watches over humanity makes no sense to me. We're just byproducts of something bigger.
How does everyone feel about the importance of humanity?
There are as many hells as the number of times I've cum inside your mom. So a lot.
In Dante's vision of hell, Satan is a prisoner within hell himself, being partially encased in ice. It's not really his dominion. It's a realm of torment and punishment.
Gaben is the savior who will forgive all sins.
Unless you make death threats to him...
>How can Dante make Satan a prisoner.
Because he wrote the fucking poem.
>Who tempted Eve in the garden? Who essentially made a bet with God over Job? Who tempted Jesus in the wilderness?
You really shouldn't be taking the Divine Comedy, or even the Bible, literally.
I'm questioning his theology, which is the reason he originally wrote the work. It doesn't match up with even the most basic pieces of Chrisianity a even a dirty non-believer like myself is aware of.
No idea. This is Abaddon, though.
>Don't let everyone on the world know who I am
>punish them for not praising me even though they have no idea I exist
So Christian god is a women after all
The idea is that, while God made everything, as in absolutely everything, he felt kinda sorta bummed out for being all alone.
God made men for the sole, explicit reason of praising him as the tightest shit in the multiverse. By giving men the gift of free will, the act of praise to Him above all else is like the ultimate act of submission for men.
We're literally God's S&M pets
I guess Anthony Burch's afterlife suffering is being reincarnated as Anthony Burch.
theres no way it wouldn't be super edgy but I like the concept for a story, with satan as a sympathetic protagonist that isn't taken to be wholly good or bad, just a man who escaped imprisonment and paid the price for his freedom
So what's with the resurrection of Jesus? Things like turning water into wine can be explained, 'miracles' weren't exactly uncommon at the time, but what basis in history does his resurrection have? Was he buried alive? Did people just claim to have seem him?
>Anthony lies on his death bed with no one by his side since he birthed no children and his "wife" is still having sex with niggers
>he closes his eyes one last time
>suddenly he opens his eyes, feeling no less dead, and finds his self in the middle of his "wedding" ceremony back in his youth
>misses the kiss
>the faint sound of laughter he can hear from the back of his head and a faint whisper
>it says "again"
I can't imagine a worse existence
A theology board would be terrible, it would be /x/2.0 with constant shitposting
>how do I summon demons
>i'm the reincarnation of jesus, ask me anything
>please help me sell my soul to the devil
>the gods showed me visions in my dreams
>you will never go around purge all demonic entities that plague reality
>you will never be a holy crusader
sure ithe universe could be deterministic to 3d beings. the illusion is that you have a choice.
i'm not saying it is or isn't.. but i'm inclined to think the only freedom we have it the freedom to react to circumstances in our bodies and minds.
The first circle of Hell doesn't sound bad. Not bad at all actually. Even if it's just pure fucking barren grey lands as far as the eye can see, it's still pretty neat. 7/10 I'd spend my after-life there.
What if we're already dead and this is limbo?
If you're a gentleman and a sholar, you get to chill with Virgil and the gang in their ballin castle on a meadow that is lit up by the sheer power of their intellect. 10/10 would totally spend my afterlife there.
if you see yourself as a divine being, or as a part of the unity of god, then it's putting out a light that could do good.
but i don't believe in such a literal hell anyway. if there is a realm of tourture, it's all ehoes and past tendencies in mental realm of your own mind. you have to get things your stuck on before moving forward spiritually
what some fucking clay faggot and a rib-bone lady did xx years ago have nothing to do with me. how can a caring god consider everyone tainted until he kills an incarnation of himself? ughh, so many plot-holes
>don't put that on me god-rickybobby.
Buddism has kinda something relatable in a way that you have infinite amount of tries to actually break out of the wheel of Samsara and achieven nirvana.
But on the other side it's not an monotheistic religion.
I like how in most games not from the US angels, gods and other spiritual forces are shown to be the villain or monsters. Angels in Bayo, SMT and most of games I can think of are actually more or less monsters compared to their devil counterparts. Angels as spheres with rings are best angels.
There's only one right answer as to who from gaming would be the philosopher to guide you through hell and back.