Alright, /v/. Let's pretend that you must make a pilgri

Kojima for philosopher

Peter Molyneux in Fraud covered in shit

>>274005105
was literally typing this out

planetary annihilation devs for betrayers of benefactors

>>274004902
this

Literally Who in lust

Dorrito Pope in the City of Dis

Dean Hall in Fraud being attacked by snakes

who would be among the three greatest betrayers being chewed up by lucifer?

Jewwario is currently being ripped apart by harpies

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Based Kamiya in Limbo's castle

we should make our own chart with pictures of these people

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>Fifth Circle, Wrathful
That sounds fucking metal

>>274005726
Larry Probst for all the companies EA bled dry
Bobby Kotick for running so many franchises into the ground and what they did to spyro

George Broussard
I bet on Duke

i don't really understand the idea of hell. if lucifer or satan wanted to tempt people to evil, then why does he torture them in the afterlife? why not just make hell a comfy place with food and video games.

>>274003756
>wrathful
>punishment is eternal combat
The Vikings must be pleased.

>>274003756
Andrew Wilson pulling rocks in greed

Schaffer in pushing boulders inward in greed

derek smart

>>274006074
because he hates all of God's creation, and wants nothing but to destroy it

He takes the ones God refuses and has his fun with their eternal agony.

>>274003756
why is lucifer looking out for jesus by tormenting his killer for eternity? think the two would get along

>>274006338
why does he hate god's creation?

>>274006149
the fools called it Valhalla, little did they know they were simply being punished for their heathen ways

Anita Sarkiseen contorted and lodged completely in a block of ice

Wait this makes no sense.

Everyone is a bunch of those things over the course of their life, how do you know which one sticks?

Also the Suicides one does not sound that bad, since trees have no nerves and thus don't feel pain, being torn apart wouldn't really be that big of a deal.

>>274006467
Hhhehehe

>>274006074
because he doesnt real noob

>>274006420
Better question would be how would be getting chewed for eternity really be any worse than getting stuck in a burning coffin for eternity. Or really any of the others. Its bad, but not really any worse than the others

>>274006427
Well god created everything right? That means he created Lucifer. Therefore Lucifer (and all evil really) is just another expression of God. Lucifer s reason for hating "God's Creations" is really a way for God to punish his own creations to serve whatever perfect end such agony accomplishes in his all knowing mind. As human we will never understand, all we can do is submit to his will and accept the trials we face as necessary for the creation of the best possible world.

>>274006553
Those trees feel pain. As for which circle they go to, think of which sin that defines the person.

>>274006553
what if they are flesh trees?

>>274006553
You see how there are levels of hell? You go to the deepest one where an act you took applies. So if you committed suicide but you also killed your brother you would go all the way to the Ninth Circle and suffer the punishments there.

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>>274006501

>>274006814
what if you're one of those weirdos who likes human feces but you decided to flatter people as well

>>274006631
Presumable to the person with the correlating Sin the accompanying punishment has the strongest effect on them.

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Who would be a glutton, /v/?

>>274006914
Well then I'm sure god in his infinite perfection can punish you perfectly

>>274006978
fat activists.

truly the worst kind of glutton.

>>274006553
I think it's implied you feel pain as the tree.

none of this is even canon

>>274006708
i don't think nerve's would work very well without supporting cells and tissue, so non flesh trees would be out of the question. i think it's better to think of it as a blob of flesh shaped into that of a tree. of course it'll need bones to support the weight of the flesh, which in turn needs all sorts of other stuff. how would metabolism work for tree shaped flesh anyway. your heart would have to be pretty strong to pump blood up to all of the branches. do you have roots?

>>274007167
There is no physicality to hell, you experience purely mental anguish as a purely mental being. Last time I checked corpses stay where they fall, unlike some video games where they tend to disappear into the abyss.

>>274007167
It's Hell. Stop questioning shit.

>>274007282
Yeah! Just be scared and do what we say like the rest of our followers!

>>274006978
Hamburger Helper

>>274007167
>I don't think my conception of the laws of physics would work when applied to hell

no shit.

>>274007361
Now you got it!

>>274006467
>Vikings think they tricked God
>God thinks He tricked Vikings.
>Everyone's happy.

>>274007467
Isn't that a false happiness, being content with a lie? I'm sure there were Vikings who died wishing for an end to the violence they experienced in their lives.

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>>274003756
But wouldn't you get used to it, like being in the hot tub for a while?

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Bobby Kotick in Hoarders in the fourth circle, Tim Schafer in Spenders

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>>274003756
>Wrathful: Engaged in combat with one another on the surface of the River Styx

Sounds metal as fuck, sign me up.

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We need more righteous Pagans to live in limbo's castle, /v/. Who are the most enlightened men in vidya?

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what kind of tree in particular. what if i lived my entire life in a desert have never seen a tree before. would i be turned into a cactus.

>yfw we're all in limbo
cause god is not present in our realm
hes on the next server with all the cool guys like hitler

>>274007605
Vikings who died wishing for an end to violence were shitty vikings and deserve punishment.

>>274003756
What's with all the ice related shit at the bottom? You'd think Satan would want something a little more fire-themed for his crib.

>>274007830
>Thorny tree
>Ripped apart by harpies

They probably saw a buzzard break open a cactus to get a drink and thought it was a harpy tearing apart a "thorny" tree.

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>tfw Yui will freeze in the bottom of hell for what he did to Souls

>>274006673
if lucifer is an expression of god, then that means god isn't a purely good being. in which case why should be accept him?

>>274007860
Isn't that ironic? The ones who renounced their heathen ways at the end might avoid the terrible fate that is Valhalla. Good Christians are saved if they beg for forgiveness on their death bed. All power to our lord and saviour Jesus Christ

>>274006074
All of the games would be EA made.

>>274008018
'Cause you'll burn in a stone box for all eternity, silly!

>>274007868
Satan is just as trapped in Hell as the rest of the people in the 9th circle. Inferno tends to present him as a mindless, enraged yet trapped beast, the complete opposite of God who is omnipotent, omniscient, and completely free. Try not to forget this is a poem and not actual theology.

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>>274008226
Milton Satan best Satan.

>>274008018
Good question, I'll reply with a very common answer. Good and evil are created when we as humans place value on things created by god. We over step our bounds if we claim that any act is good or evil, as the divine plan simply sees everything as directed by God Will. You who cannot hope to understand his will should, therefore, submit to it. That's when religion starts popping up, men take the place of God and ask you to bow to their rules (of good and evil) instead of accepting that morals are simply relative.

>>274008018
Furthermore, if God is omnipotent and all powerful, why would he allow one of his favorite angel dudes to go to the dark side? And lose thousands of souls to said dark side?

Why does religion portray God as so incompetent at his only job? I like to think God's a little better than that.

>>274008226
And it's the biggest self-insert in the history of literature. Dante's little mary sue
I still love the Divine Comedy. Funny thing, it was only called a comedy because of the happy ending. He learns and crawls back out of hell.
Also the original title was just La Commedia. People that liked it just added Divine to it.

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>>274007762

>Based Edmund

>>274008347
Satan and Lucifer always carry with them some type of attraction I think, whatever version appeals to you the most helps illuminate your own personal weaknesses. Or in some cases, strengths.

>Betrayers of Guests
Stanley Woo

>Falsifiers
AS, ZQ, and other SJW liars

>Flatterers
White knights of #gamergate

>False Counsellors
Shitaku staff

>Hoarders
MMOfags

>Spenders
Steam sales fags

>Gluttons
Comfy-vidyafags

>Heretics
The few who still play CoD or EA games and say "Trust me, it's gotten better."

>Unbaptized
Consolefags

>Virtuous pagans
Idorts who have a Mac and not a PC


Got to be honest. Wrathful looks pretty fun.

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>>274007152

>>274008461
Exactly, we must accept that God planned for Satan's departure and therefore that the creation of what we see as "evil" is simply another extension of Gods will. We are left at a moral impasse if we are led to believe God's existence as an absolute perfect being, and admitting imperfection destroys the credibility god carries. This means that any religious believer has simply been tricked into following very much human ideas of right and wrong. There is nothing wrong with believing in God, there is something wrong in believing you can understand God however, especially to a degree in which you accurately interpret him.

>>274008571
>Woo
Literally who?

>>274008540
Milton fans like me more than likely carry immense egos and consider Pride to not be as much of a sin as it is a strength, a measurement of self-worth and actualization in the face of a collectivist ideology.

The Divine Comedy Fans tend to be the opposite, believing in social collectivism and the importance of humility for a more utilitarian society.

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So, wrathful is basically just deathmatch in hell?

>>274008779
>>>/b/

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>>274008779
The Rineman.

The ninth circle doesn't make sense. That sounds a lot less painful than some of the shit in higher circles.

>>274008938
Do you live on the equator?

>>274008782
I've found that too! Pride isn't much of a sin anyway, lets be honest. Still something can be sinful and powerful, they are the seven deadly sins after all not the seven unreliable suggestions.

>>274008410
why submit to something that cannot be understood.

>>274003756

Why, exactly, is Brutus down there with Judas?

What does Christianity have for Julius Caesar?

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>>274008801
>tfw get to hell because of my sins
>go to the fifth circle because of my wrath towards other people
>think to myself "oh well, at least I'll be somewhat entertained"
>arrive there
>no hardened warriors
>no fallen heroes
>just CoD-kiddies that throw spears at each other and scream "rekt", "420 blaze it noscoped faggot" and some guy that does dubstep noises with his mouth every time someone gets a spear in his head

>>274008769
>>274008461
>phl 101 plebs haven't even solved the problem of evil yet.

There are three tenants
>Evil Exists
>God is all powerful
>God wants to stop evil

These three facts contradict each other. If for a moment we accept that God uses the rules of logic (he doesn't necessarily have to, he is not bound by anything even logic) then one of these three must be false.

It is possible Evil doesn't exist, and that God considers the sin of the world something that is ultimately good.
Alternatively it is possible God doesn't have infinite power, he can't see the future, he can't take away free will, ect.
Finally we must accept it possible that God chooses not to. Either he is apathetic, or he in some way has decided that the "best possible universe" is one with evil, not one without. Either he doesn't want you to lose free will, because it makes your successes and acts of devotion that much greater, or he in some other way views a world without evil to be shallow or wrong.

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Taro Yoko

>>274008938
You can be burned just as intensely by the cold as you can by extreme heat. Not to mention you're roomates with Satan which might have it's own agonies attatched

>>274009030
The prideful go to Purgatory anyway where you can eventually make to to Paradise.

>>274009113

Julius was Dante's personal hero or something.

>>274009030
I think if the pride is a biased egoism that ignores the importance of your place in the universe it is "sinful" pride. Being aware of your abilities and having an understanding of yourself in a fair and honest way, and being happy that you are you is the unsinful form of pride.

>>274009071
That is another great question, and I have to ask in response if you submit to anything you don't have 100% understanding of? Your governing body perhaps? Maybe your own physical limitations? I think there are many times in life where we don't have the luxury to ask why we submit to uncertainty, only that we must submit to the unknown.

>>274009115
oh shit that is hell

Why is there a river from Greek mythology in hell?

>>274006583
>doesn't real
Redditor detected
Please leave, literally no one wants you here

>>274009071
>thinking you truly understand anything

>>274009113

It's more about Dante's political beliefs and personal life than Christianity.

>>274009317
It's in Paradise Lost too. Carried over from it.

>>274009113
Dante's work has nothing to do with Christianity and there are a bunch of people, like Brutus, mentioned in certain places in hell purely based on Dante's own value judgement.

Didn't you read this in some sort of literature class?

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Who are the biggest whores and gigolos in vidya?

Limbo doesn't sound like hell at all, it sounds pretty awesome actually. You can meet a bunch of cool people.

>The castle is the dwelling place of the wisest men of antiquity, including Virgil himself, as well as the Persian polymath Avicenna. In the castle Dante meets the poets Homer, Horace, Ovid, and Lucan; the Amazon queen Penthesilea; the mathematician Euclid; the scientist Pedanius Dioscorides; the statesman Cicero; the first doctor Hippocrates; the philosophers Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, and Averroes; the historical figures Lucretia, Lucius Junius Brutus, and Julius Caesar in his role as Roman general ("in his armor, falcon-eyed");[7] mythological characters Hector, Electra, Camilla, Latinus, and Orpheus; and many others. Interestingly, he also sees Saladin in Limbo (Canto IV).

>>274006074

he wants to tempt them to evil specifically so he can torture them.

He can't touch anyone that God protects, so he's forced to try to get them sin so they lose that protection.

He's the ultimate butthurt after being tossed out of heaven.

>>274005970

>>274009121
The problem of evil seems to be solved by simply saying evil doesn't exist or that god is not all powerful. I have trouble with both of those but find it easier to take a Spinozistic approach and claim that evil doesn't exist. there you are trying to understand Gods will at the end of your post even after saying God doesn't need to use rules of logic. Either way the problem of evil is far from solved (instead pushed aside) and relies very heavily on the existence of God which itself can be debated. There is evil in the world is there not? When a jew company rips you off on your next game purchase? When Hitler decimated the population of Europe during the holocaust? When someone attacks someone you love and causes them undeserved harm? Are these things not evil?

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>>274009443

>>274009508
Limbo isn't really hell. Which is why it's called limbo. It's for people who were legitimately good in real life but do to a lack of knowledge and ignorance of the world did not come to know God. Their only true "suffering" is that there is a heaven that they are eternally left out of.

But it seems like a boss place to bro down.

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>>274009425

No I went to school in America. We read A Separate Peace four times.

Literally. Not even hyperbole here four fucking times in four fucking different English classes AND the movie AND the audiobook. John Knowles can choke on a dick.

>Wrathfags wanting to be in an existence without our vidya Heavenly Father, Gaben
who would want to live without such a bearded smile looking down upon you, knowing that the savior of vidya walks with you, waiting for the day when he commands you and other soldiers of God in the final crusade against console gaming and the armies of Hell

>>274009317
It's not, just in the Divine Comedy
Which is a poem, not an actual theological depiction of hell.
It is, however, where we get most of our concepts of hell, in the bible it just said some shit about it being a bad place

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We need more heretics in here, /v/. Who are they?

>>274009508
Limbo isn't supposed to be punishment. Its a relatively pleasant place where good non-Christians go.

>>274009752
I went to school in America as well. Never even heard of that book you're talking about.

>>274009752

that is literally the most horrible and faggiest book I ever read.

>>274006074
Canonically Hell is just a place absent from God. If you look at it from the time the bible was compiled, hell was any place far from the reach of Constantinople and monarchy. Hell is bad because seeing as their is no rule or order it's absolute anarchy, anyone does what they want. The consequence of following the ideas of free will by following your evil desires over virtue.

>>274009558

Evil is what society deems to be evil.

Society is simply a way of saying yourself.

Evil is what you deem to be evil.

>>274009752
Still better than reading Ferdydurke or The Knights of the Cross. That shit's abysmal.

>>274008015
Hey Fungo.

>>274009752
Fuck A Seperate Peace
In fact, fuck everything we had to read in high school, it's all fucking trash
When is American education going to cover actual GOOD literature?

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>>274009121

>>274009264
i submit to those because i understand enough about them to know that they are of consequence to me. how then is god of consequence to humans and how do you know?

Gaze upon me!
I am not yet of sufficient years to enter into this guild!

(THIS SQUIRE WAS PUT TO THE STOCKS FOR THIS POST)

>>274007281

Sort of this.

Basically what's happening in Dante's depiction of Inferno is that a person's soul is being tortured; Dante's description is nothing like what it's actually like since human language is unable to accurately describe what's going on in any of these realms. He just uses words to convey the closest thing he can think of that humans would understand.

However after the Day of Judgement, there will be a 'resurrection of the body', when the bodies (in perfect wholeness, not rotted away) of all who died throughout history will be reunited with their souls. Then everyone will be judged again in front of God, and those cast back to Hell will experience even more torment since they have their body back; it will be both a physical and spiritual torment.

At least that's what I remember from the last time I studied the poem.

>>274010335
Meant to post this in the medieval /v/ thread, fuck

>>274009984
Moral Relativity then is where you draw your line. I'm personally really trying to avoid that stance because it leads to a lot of conflict with systems of order based on value but I have trouble myself. I can't offer you more in terms of argument, but maybe if we look at how we develop our concepts of evil. Are we born knowing that some things are good and some things are bad? What or who teaches us these concepts then, is pain simply the driving force of all human development. Maybe the avoidance of pain is a better way to think of it. Either way you're very pessimistic and I like it, very "/v/" of you.

Are the other two thirds of the Divine Comedy worth reading?

>>274010071
i mean its sorta related but doesn't exactly apply to my solution

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>>274010071
thanks for that post m8. Upboated

>>274010447
Almost relevant.

>>274008540

>implying Milton intended for people to find Satan attractive.

Fucking romantics, ruining everything.

>>274010335
Champion of youth! Return to the commoner district of Reddit!

>>274009558
they very well can be considered not evil if you either think big picture or more zen-like. Things are how they are, worrying about what is "right" and "wrong" misses the point.

Besides if we bring determinism into the picture ethics goes right out the window.

Where do the waifu wars happen?

>>274006074

Hell isn't Lucifer's domain in the bible and actual religion as it's depicted in most other portrayals. Hell's a prison the unrighteous and sinners are condemned to, including Lucifer. One interpretation is the torment galvanizes you toward realizing you were wrong and repenting, or getting you stuck in self-pity, in which case you don't deserve to be saved.

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>>274010530
Thanks mang.

>>274010821

VALHALLA

FUCK YEAH

>>274010617
I can't help but be what I am, sorry bro

>>274010803
>the torment galvanizes you toward realizing you were wrong and repenting
So can you get out? I thought the deal was 'you're here now, no amount of praying gets you out'

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>>274010473

Nothing is objective. Evil is what you deem to be evil.

Human life is a complex interaction among thousands, if not millions, of other humans. If you try to reduce it down to some simplistic statement like "we are born knowing evil" then you miss the point.

Humanity is like a computer where every single individual transistor gets to choose it's own state based on how it feels that day. Imagine how phenomenally difficult it would be to create a program for that computer.

Such a program could not exist within the bounds of logic.

>>274010749
I know right? But isn't determinism weirdly comforting? I don't wanna give in to that quiet sleep it but maybe I was going to anyway.

>>274010969
>nothing is objective
false.
>evil is what you deem to be evil
maybe. possibly true.

>>274010898
>murderers, an heroes, and buttfuckers
You got it wrong, anon.

>>274008938

It's part of the metaphor. Fire is tied to warmth and life, ice is lifelessness. The centre of Hell signifies complete separation from God, with no chance of intercession.

>>274010949
No he's wrong. Hell is the land of permanent torture and suffering and wailing and gnashing of teeth.

>suicides all the way down to the seventh circle
Why were people so fucking butthurt about suicides back then, it doesn't hurt anyone

>>274011048
determinism isn't relevant to us third dimensional beings (or whatever) though so as far as we are concerned we have free will and all that. It's no biggie. Unless you believe in randomness of any sort affecting causality or in some sort of metaphysic soul mind making decisions outside the physical world you're absolutely a determinist.

>pagans in hell
>"y-your religion is wrong"

How can someone be this arrogant?

>>274011163

A dead slave doesn't generate profit.

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>>274011163
you life is not yours to give away anon. who's going to pay the taxes when your gone?

>>274011163
throwing away gods greatest gift

>>274011163
Some shit about interfering with the will of God
Or whatever

>>274011163
>stealing a soul from God
>being a pussy-ass nigga

>>274011249
They aren't in hell proper. They're in limbo. Which is actually a pretty nice place.

>>274011367

>Limbo
>a pretty nice place

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URcvdDtnM_0

>>274011367
It's more of a nothing than nice.

>>274011330

But it's your soul.

>>274010969
It's fun to think that way but even you are admitting there is some order and some function to absolutely everything. I like the idea of connection in the physical world but in the mental well, do you consider your mind simply electricity too. Another program to be replicated? I think it's silly to think we can't know anything. We have real working knowledge just by the fact we have agency that allows us understand and reproduce. This order you allude to is a system we are part of and concious of. I for one, would like to understand how to best achieve my part at the very least.

>>274011163
yadda yadda god's greatest gift yadda yadda your life isn't yours to give or take yadda yadda souring god's greatest creation yadda yadda

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>>274011459
>your soul

why the fuck would you think you own the soul God gave you?

>>274011449

So it's like life before the big bang?

Sound kind of boring.

>>274009558
if we are taking God out of the arguement, one could say that even acts like that arent inherently evil. Rather, they have consequences that certain parties find less than desirable. The being that took action in order to bring out those consequences may have fully believed that they were justified and good for oding what they were doing. Also, they may have believed that any evil and misfortune wrought from their actions would be negligible compared to the results they would experience and were looking for. barely passed one college philosophy class

Entire goddamn vidya industry belongs in Judecca

>>274011449
Compared to pushing boulders up and down for eternity or being transformed into a tree and lashed at by harpies for the rest of time? Pretty nice place.

>>274011554

Because he gave it to you. Making it yours.

>>274010476

Depends. If you just want more gruesome descriptions of punishment and people Dante doesn't like, then no. The rest definitely takes a bit more thought and attention than Inferno, as Dante's theology (and theology in general) becomes more and more important and complex as he gets closer to Paradiso.

>>274011648
He explicitly states otherwise. so no.

>>274011564
Yes, except you're aware of it

>>274011698
then how is it a gift

>>274011698

Explicitly states where?

>Chased and bitten by reptiles

DKC is about thieves then?

>>274011163

Life is sacred

>>274011449
It's not nothing. It's a melancholic place where you know that there is eternal bliss but you cannot get to it.

There is no torment beyond that, so it's comparatively nice when you look at the other circles.

>>274010476
I think so
Purgatory is more karmic punishment (which Dante gets a taste of), Paradiso is trippy

>>274011731

Yes, incredibly boring. You'd think life after death would be fun or something.

>>274011737
the soul itself isn't the gift, the life you make with that soul is the real gift, along with the promise of heaven if you don't fuck it up.

>>274011791
are there video games

>>274003756
Most SJWs are wearing lead cloaks and burning in excrement

>>274011772

>Life is sacred

According to whom?

>>274011737
>"hey son, heres your grandpas pocketwatch"
>"thanks dad!"
>years later
>"FUCK MY DAD, I'MMA SELL THIS POCKETWATCH FOR HEROIN"
>"fuck you too son"

>>274011823
That's what heaven is for.

>>274011743
http://christianity.about.com/od/whatdoesthebiblesay/a/Bible-Suicide.htm

>>274011862
I doubt it, but you get to hang out with Aristotle and Socrates, to name a few.

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>Lust
>Wrath
>Heresy
>Violence

There's a disturbing lack of souls in there, /v/. Something must be done.

>>274011163

It's sort of a combination of violence against people combined with violence against God. You're breaking the commandment 'Thou shalt not kill' whilst simultaneously rejecting your own life.

>>274011923

Its the general opinion

>>274011923
Dante's Christian theology. Which is the basis of Dante's Inferno.

>>274011940

How is heaven fun

>>274011945

Wait, the bible was written by god?

I never liked the idea of eternal punishment. There is nobody who deserves to be in pain for all eternity.

Hell isn't real /pol/
/thread

>>274011935
I don't think his dad would wish eternal fucking agony upon his son for selling the watch though.

That's the biggest issue I have with hell and God in general. The punishments he doles out are completely disproportionate to the crimes.

>>274012036

Do you have any proof of this?

>>274011950
well there's still people there right? you could still play rudimentary games like freeze tag or partake in massive orgies.

>>274011862
There's a field and a castle. The vidya is inside the castle but every hour the game pauses for a few seconds to remind you that you are in limbo

>>274012040
Not even Red Rusker?

>>274012110

You're already trapped in the hell named 4chan.

>>274012040
>>274012116
Eternal reward is also disproportionate

>>274012116

All crimes are equal.

As are all punishments.

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>>274005726
Carmack and Palmer Luckey for selling the Oculus Rift to Facebook.

>>274012110
What does that have to do with discussing Inferno though?

>>274012038

Being close to God is supposedly pretty rad. Especially when you're not burdened by any of the shit you have to put up with in real life.

Notch blows bubbles under the mud which is probably mixed with shit and piss

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>>274006553
>since trees have no nerves and thus don't feel pain

Plants actually do feel pain, and are telepathic as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fStmk7e9lJo

>>274012038
nah but he helped

>>274012040

At least there is an end to that sort of punishment

>>274012240
>All crimes are equal

You try saying that to someone who has had a loved one murdered while complaining about a kid stealing candy from your store.

>>274009121
>Alternatively it is possible God doesn't have infinite power, he can't see the future, he can't take away free will, ect.
Then he is not a god

>>274012204
Yeah, the concept of heaven is retarded because it doesn't reward good people, it just rewards the ones who go to church every Sunday and donate to the collection plate like good little cultists.

>>274012243
Wasn't there a thread with some anon warning everyone not to use the Oculus, as it would sell their soul to lucifer or something?

>>274012362

What point are you trying to make

>>274012148
People get sad when things around them die

>>274012303
What doesn't it?

>>274012116

God's justice basically. Sin is abhorrent, and must be punished, since it's an affront against God's creation (according to Dante).

>>274012374
>Zeus had infinite power can see the future, and can take away free will

fuck off faggot if he was powerful enough to create the heavens and earth he is powerful enough to call God

>>274003756
>you who enter here
>you

>>274012449

But what if some person didn't like the thing that died?

>>274012442
That the emotional and physical impact of different crimes differ wildly, and should not be judged with the same severity.

>>274012525

He didn't create heaven and earth though, he only separated them.

>>274012374
Olympian gods couldn't do most of these either. Don't be too hung up on the semantics

>Dante's fan-fiction

not canon, god said so

I never understood lustful, does that mean whores or just people who wants other people's people

>>274007701
Not really.
It's not on the surface, they are swimming inside the river.
And it's less battling than more biting and scratching at everything they come across, like some little girls.

>>274012568

Would you argue that mercy is more important than justice?

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>>274003756
>Thieves
>Chased and bitten by reptiles

>>274012525
>>274012595
You're just moving the goalposts, defining God's power so that they can fit with your arguments. Greek Mythology is a different story, they had a different belief and thought that their Gods weren't the strongest things. Instead, they believed in some kind of cosmic force which controlled the gods.

>>274012480
You can discuss the literary elements and metaphorical significance of Dante's Inferno and Christian philosophy regardless of whether the sky fairy exists or not.

>>274012631

It can mean anything. From people who masturbate to people who have sex out of marriage to rapists.

>>274012580
If you read my pragmatic point of view a few posts earlier i was talking about "possibilities." Obviously all of them do not perfectly fit with Judeo-Christian conceptions of God.

Besides he totes did in the Bible.

>>274012631
premarital sex throws a wrench in how a female-possessive society works

basically the guys who wrote the bible didn't want to get NTR'd

>>274012383

Sort of missing the point.

All humans sin. Sin is an affront against God. God is perfectly just, so must punish sin. However since God is also a cool guy, he decided to give humanity a chance for redemption by sending Jesus to take the sins of humanity upon himself and taking the punishment for all of that, which has to be doled out by God, since that's the concept of justice, punishment = crime.

By transferring the sins of humanity onto Jesus, humanity is no longer tainted by sin. There's been a transfer of sin from humans to Jesus. As a result, Christians (since according to this theology, Jesus is the only way to get to God) are able to get this eternal reward because they aren't burdened by sin.

>>274008469
>Funny thing, it was only called a comedy because of the happy ending
No shit, captain. You mean, the word comedy was actual used as it should? As in, the opposite of a drama?

Man, that really is damn funny. Pure divine comedy.

>>274012753
>my arguments

You are so retarded it's ridiculous I was just naming possibilities that answered the problem of Evil. I wasn't arguing for any one solution.

>>274012684

>Get to be little girls in hell

And people think hell is a bad place to be

>>274012631
>consensual
>monogamous
>in the missionary position
>for the sole purpose of procreation
Pick four.

>>274012549

They'd probably still feel sad

>>274012873
Why are you sperging this much? Did I offend you in any way?
You must be one euphoric guy.

>>274012854

So why doesn't God sacrifice his son all the time then? There would never be any sin in that case.

>>274012953
I hate retards who try to butt into a conversation they didn't at all read. Nice buzzwords though :)

>>274012703
I'd argue that justice should be tempered by mercy.

Punish crimes according to the grief/damage they cause, not just for the sake of punishing.

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>>274005793

Dude....

>>274013020
m8...

>tfw want to be a theist but don't know in which god to believe as there are so many of them

>>274013020
Why don't you just stop sinning? :^)

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would you a chreub?

>>274012906

Why? That makes absolutely no sense.

>>274013038

But would making punishments great by default not provide an incentive to not commit crimes?

>>274013020
The sacrifice was only needed once iirc.

>>274012740
It's not just that. That one pit is incredibly fucking weird.
All the snakes were once thieves. When a snake bites someone, the bitten one will have a very painful transformation, turning him into a snake as well. Whereas the biter has a reversed painful transformation back into a human, who then has to flee from the snakes until bitten again.

It's an endless game of tag.

>>274013258

Needed once? Why? How come?

>>274013135

Worship Min, the Egyptian god with an eternal erection.

Yes that's a real thing.

>>274013135
All of theology is connected. There is no "right" one, technically. At least not yet.

>>274013258
Why didn't God do it earlier? What happened to all the people before that?

>>274013275

That, too, sound pretty fucking metal.

>>274013347

>Through dick, unity

>>274013275
Feels more like a furry transformation.

>>274012854
But if he really is omnipotent, all of this is unnecessary. He could literally change the way sin works or erase it completely.

The fact that he doesn't means that he wants to test us, but such testing is also useless, as god is supposedly omniscient and would know if we fail or pass even before we were born.

So it all comes down to a god that wants us to purge ourselves of sin that he allowed and allows us to be tainted with, all the while knowing whether any one of us is successful or not. He is like a kid with an ant farm.

>>274012778

There's still a dispute over the creation thing. Some people argue it's a mistransliteration that actually means separated instead of created.

>>274013365
>All of theology is connected. There is no "right" one, technically. At least not yet.
What do you mean? Christian god and Islam god aren't the same.

>>274013448

Snakes actually have no fur on their body at all.

>>274013341
The point of the sacrifice was, that Jesus gets sent to hell, battles his way through it, makes Lucifer a little bitch and opens a portal to the purgatory/heaven.

The sole reason of his sacrifice was, so people who die after him can get into heaven.

>>274013020

It doesn't get rid of sin. Sin is always going to exist until the day of the Last Judgement.

What the sacrifice of Jesus does within Christian theology is allow for a way for the Divine Punishment that humans deserve for sinning to be applied to Jesus instead. This way, God remains Just, since sin (which is the bad thing, not humans) has been punished.

It's sort of a one-off payment. In dying for humanity, Jesus took on all the sin that will ever be committed and took the punishment for it

>>274011080
evil and good is never objective

>>274013507
thats nice.

>>274013489

Maybe he finds the current situation most entertaining?

>>274013540

So people before that could not go into heaven?

>>274013236
That would be ruling through fear. If the fear of punishment is the only reason you do not commit crimes, you are still a criminal at heart.

The ideal would be that no one wants to do crimes, even if it was possible to get away with it.

>>274013540

I thought angels were humans who went to heaven

>>274013587
maybe. Those with solid ethical systems (deontology, consequentialism, Aristotelian Virtue Ethics) may disagree, but as a moral relativist you're clearly better than them aren't you?

>>274013532
I never said that they were. I'm just saying that none of them are the "true" religion. They're just bits and pieces of the full thing.

>>274013562

So, it doesn't matter if one sins or not?

>>274013341
When Jesus was sacrificed it made it so that the burden of sin was taken from us to Jesus. So long as you accept Jesus you won't receive the truly deserved punishment for your actions because Jesus was already sacrificed for it. This is God's grace and mercy.

Or at least I think that's how it goes in general , I'm in no way a religious scholar, or a religious person really. Just what I picked up from my youth.

>>274013226
Cherubim are fucking atrocious monsters in the eye of humans.

I don't believe in a god, but I certainly don't believe in one who puts people in eternal torment for not following arbitrary guidelines. If there is some sort of omnipotent god he'll be able to judge people fairly in with proper context.

>>274013685
So if I wanted to definite myself, I should use the term "Theist" instead of Christian, Muslim etc?

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>>274013640

Why would there be fear, though? How does that benefit anyone at all?

>>274013630
>Maybe he finds the current situation most entertaining?
That's pretty malevolent, don't you think?

>>274003756

So vallhalla is located on the fifth circle of hell?

Also

>Betrayers of Country
>Being punished by god in the worst way possible because you betrayed a geopolitical piece of land in a map.
>More specifically a piece of land that you had no choice in choosing to land into.

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Okay, people. Back on topic.

Lust, heresy, and wrath is pretty barren right now.

>>274013630
>So people before that could not go into heaven?
Pretty much.

>>274013661
No, angels were a race born by God prior to mankind. But he gave them no free will, like us humans.

>>274013802

Why would he have to be one? Why not both, or neither?

>>274013661
Angels are divine beings created by God prior to his creation of humanity. They have nothing to do with humans. Lucifer was an angel when he rebelled against God with other angels and God casted them out, which is why there are angels in hell in The Inferno.

If Yahweh is the way he is. Why would he have a gender? Or even be sentient if it's all seeing and all knowing.

>>274013793
Sure, I guess.

>>274013797
If the punishment for every crime was eternal damnation, then it would certainly make people afraid of committing crimes.

>>274013879

Wow, god is a dick.

>>274013785
100% this. As someone who has tried their hand at playing god in plenty of video games that allow such things, it seems pretty obvious to me that a real god would be much more fair and not a huge goddamn retard who only loves those who circlejerk over his son's corpse.

>>274013983

Still, all things considered. it would be a most effective, if not simply a pretty good way of preventing crime.

>>274013532
They totally are the same God though in Islam and Christianity, Islam just believes that Allah is the last and final prophet and that his revelations are the true ones.

>>274013863
Dante's theology is pretty standard for his time. Betraying the country is betraying God, the Divine Right of Kings and all that.

Doesn't hold up to modern day of course, but nobody ever accused Christianity of not constantly changing.

>>274014124
Forcing an end to crime with fear is not something a benevolent and loving deity would do, don't you think?

>>274014008
Yep. That's why Lucifer started rebelling against him.

>>274013709

I think the sacrifice of Jesus makes it so that humanity is 'neutral' with God, instead of being at -100 relations due to a 'Sin' modifier.

Neutral isn't enough to get into heaven though, and since you've only got Heaven or Hell, which is why you've got to accept Jesus as lord and saviour and all the rest of it.

>>274013408
>/v/ having a civiI theology debate
ah sweet
aight first off back in the days before the Resurrection those of the jewish faith sent the purest priests to sacrifice for a person's sins, a pure Iamb. During the OId testament it was mostIy about the history and triaIs of the tribes of judah and being the chiIdren of God did not wish to convert them to the jewish faith. This does not mean the Gentiles couId not foIIow God as the bibIe is fuII of exampIes however conversion was not a major part of the reIigion (see modern day jews)
This changed was the Son of God died went to heII and brought back aII who wouId foIIow him

>Head stuck in ice freezing his eye so he cannot cry

Based

Who came up with this

>>274003756
>Who is the bold philosopher that guides you through this infernal plane
Gary Gygax

>>274014354

Fuck, dude. God made Humans, he can change them. I mean fuck, why in the actual fuck would he make it so that people can sin and them blame them for it. It's their nature. Like eating to die.

>>274014469

A crazy Florentine kicking about Italy in the 14th century

>>274013562
So he's pretty much the Angry Manjew? All Of The Worlds Evil and son on.

Is there anything the Christians didn't steal from some other religion?

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By the way, if you guys really are interested in this sort of thing, you might enjoy watching this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw

I'm not telling you to believe it, or that it is legit, but it's still fun to watch and think about, in my opinion.

>>274014435
>Heaven or Hell
Pretty sure Christianity has the concept of purgatory.
So if you're neutral go God, you actually get your chance to repent in there until you're fine enough for heaven.

>>274014354
Nope. But I don't see anyone advocating the existence of such a diety in this thread in the first place.

>>274014489
I don't subscribe to the christian faith myself, but the implication is that changing humans would be meddling with free will that God also gave humans.

If you ask me, it's a vicious circle where a god who could easily end all human suffering doesn't do it out of pride and then punishes people for succumbing to something he made them susceptible to.

No matter how you look at that, God comes off as being malicious.

>>274014669
One branch of Christianity has that and its canoninity is disputed at best.

Saying purgatory is real in Christian theology is like saying hell is exactly like the Inferno.

>>274014489

>I mean fuck, why in the actual fuck would he make it so that people can sin and them blame them for it. It's their nature.

It wasn't part of their nature though. Milton sums it up in Paradise Lost as 'Sufficient to have stood, though free to fall' (although that applies more to Adam and Eve who fucked it up for everyone else really).

God could have just destroyed Adam and Eve when they fucked up, but instead decided that it would be more fun to prove how great he was by letting sin fuck them over for a while before sending Jesus along to save humanity from Hell as a default final destination.

>>274014841

It wasn't. And now it is?

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Nominating Richard Garriott for Philosopher.

>>274014489
Humanity is a huge reality TV show for him.

There's one thing that never made sense to me.

God made humans in his image, but how does that work with evolution? Evolution is accepted by pretty much all but the most hardcore fundamentalists at this point so there has to be an explanation.

We started as a single celled organism, does that mean God is a single celled organism himself? Have we grown more advanced than God?

>>274014926
Yes. Sin was not originally in humanity, but through the fall of Adam in the Garden we now "all have sin and fall short of the Glory of God."

>>274014658
why is it that the most pretentious of people always use that voice in their videos.

>all this heresy itt
sister doris would cry if she saw this. good thing she's old as fuck and doesn't have a computer.

>>274015042

So all of Humanity get punished forever because someone at the very beginning fucked up?

Wait, are you actually citing a fucking book?

>>274015041
What if God is the end result of evolution? The apex being of the last universe?

Why is heresy considered worse than heathenry? With heresy someone at least has the right idea, just not in the right way, so it never made sense that heathenry is a bigger sin.

>>274014669

Depends which branch of Christianity you adhere to as to whether you believe in Purgatory.

In any case, it isn't a place for neutrals though, it's a place for sinners who didn't sin enough to warrant a place in Hell. They spend their time purifying themselves from 'lesser' sins until they're pure enough for heaven.

To be honest, there's not really such a thing as 'neutral' when it comes to Christianity though

>I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
>So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth

If you're abivalent towards Jesus and Christianity, you're screwed as well. Pretty much 'With us or against us' it appears

>>274015289

Wait, isn't it the other way around?

>>274015178
Yes, and the only way for him to forgive you is to torture his own son who is also himself.

>>274015262

That would mean our entire evolution path was predetermined. We were created in his image like babies are created in their parent's image.

>>274015178
Yes and yes. Humanity is suffering because Adam was successfully tempted by Eve and Satan and committed the Original Sin. And I quoted Romans 3:23.

But I should say that most people don't take the Adam and Eve story literally anymore.

>>274015336
that black and white morality has no logic.

>>274015438
Which would also mean that we are on our way to becoming the god of the next cycle.

>>274015446

So this is absolute truth and can be proven?

Or do you just think this?

>>274015336

ambiavalent*

>>274015178

That's 'original sin', which everyone inherited from the sin of Adam and Eve. That's the reason why everyone (without repentance and Jesus) is going to Hell. Jesus allows that sin to be cancelled out, resetting a person to a 'neutral' state with God. Every other sin is something humans commit of their own volition.

>>274015481
God isn't interested in good people, he's interested in people that will spend the rest of eternity telling him how great he is.

>>274015660
Of course it can't be proven. I don't even think that. I'm just explaining a basic tennent of Christianity.

>>274015712

Ambivalent*

Why doesn't God simply allow sinful souls to just dissipate?

Oblivion is preferable to eternal torment, and it is still a punishment compared to eternal bliss.

>>274015804

So, where's the proof?

>>274015731
that's somewhat underwelming and depressing.

>>274015930
It's religion, there's obviously no proof. Leap of faith and all that.

>>274015827

Cheers.

And with that I'm out.

Allah is only true god. You all infidels

>>274016009

Guess we'll find out when we die.

>>274007605
>>274007860
>>274008032
This is literally the entire concept of The Vinland Saga. You should read it.

>>274016053
Zeus/Jupiter>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nigger Allah

Get fucked terrorist.

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Sort of related, but I was looking through some old Indian religious texts the other day and those fuckers predicted a lot of shit science was only able to confirm recently, almost to a scary degree.

They fairly accurately described things like the age and size of the universe, the big bang, evolution and a bunch of other stuff. It's always cool, and really weird, to find these ancient predictions that turned out to be true.

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>>274009115
>just CoD-kiddies that throw spears at each other and scream "rekt", "420 blaze it noscoped faggot" and some guy that does dubstep noises with his mouth every time someone gets a spear in his head

>>274016236

IS NOSTRADAMUS ALIVE?

>>274015731
>good people
Wasn't there just a discussion about moral relativism 100 posts up?

>>274016214

>not worshiping athena, the best of the olympians

>>274016236
Like what anon?

Since we are talking about the afterlife, I had a dream a couple nights ago.

In the dream, I awoke to find myself in a toy store. For some reason I knew I was dead or had just died and as a result I ended up in the toy store. This place looked awesome. There was all kinds of cool shit. Video games, model spaceships, nerf guns, RC cars, chemistry sets, and so on.
I came upon the front desk and there was a man. This guy looked awful. His hair was grey, his skin pale and clammy and his eyes lacked color and had bags underneath. He just looked horribly sick. I asked him, "How long have you been here?"
He moaned and said in a weak voice, "1000 years."
I asked him "What is this place?" except he didnt say anything. All he did was just stand there. So I left him alone.
At the back of the store was a man standing in front of a door. As I approached the door I could see a flickering light from behind the door as well as faint noise coming from behind. I said to the man,
"You must be the Guardian" To which he replied "That's correct."
"Then you must be Uriel!" I said.
This statement caused him to smile and chuckle
"How do I figure out where I am?" I asked.
"If you look hard enough, this place will tell you." He replied.
So I began to look around the toy store at the various items and toys for clues on where I was. It was then I came upon a pillow. I picked up the pillow. It was purple with and made with fake velvet. I put the pillow next to my ear and listened.

and it said

Purgatory.

>>274016503

FUCK ATHENA

ARES UP IN THIS BITCH

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The only god is you. CHIM is real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMRrCYPxD0I

>>274016105
Pretty much. Sucks that we're either right and nothing happens, or wrong and we're tortured painfully for eternity while there's a huge party going on forever and ever.

I can kind of see why people like religion so much.

>>274007617
IIRC, the gates of hell in Dante's Inferno does something to you. It changes you inside. Making you fully realize how completely fucked you are and how it is all your fault.

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> /v/ knowing this much about general theology and the Divine Comedy
You guys are pretty fine

>>274009508
Limbo isnt really supposed to be.
The punishment of limbo is that you are denied entrance to heaven.
Limbo itself is pretty sweet. But its not as awesome as heaven.
The unbaptized, and people who were virtuous but didnt worship god/cut a few corners end up here.

>>274014486
Rolling

>>274016921
I'm shocked by the amount of legitimately interesting theological discussions I've seen on /v/. If you can get around the r/atheism level bullshit you can actually talk.

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Is this thread really filled with catholics/christians?

like for real?

http://strawpoll.me/3104409

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>Not worshipping the sun

>Demonstrably exists
>Makes life possible on this planet

>>274017770

>Will die, even if not in your life time

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>>274017726
lol

>>274017726
I had catholic highschool

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>>274017906
Can't blame the sun for submitting to entropy, like all things.

>>274003756
Do you think Hoarders and Spenders fight a lot?

>>274017726
Nah I just remember a bunch from going to a Protestant church for my childhood and attending a catholic high school.

It's pretty hilarious when people attack Christianity in posts responding to my own like I'm supposed to get offended.