>>271101912 What people say when they think Pokemon games are all the same is the way it progresses and the core mechanics, which is exactly the same thing people complain about in Call of Duty. However, Pokemon also have more graphical updates (note that you can have changes in graphics and art style without changing the engine) than the CoD series had as of late. The Pokemon series adds some small mechanic changes that fans who delve into the meta game would notice easily. Not only that, but each Pokemon game adds a certain number of new Pokemon. Some people may think that many pokemon are just copies or lazy, but believe it or not there's a real logic behind the new pokemon that are added. In addition to what I said, there are quite a few differences in the environment between the games.
I may not be an expert on CoD, but the amount of content added per Pokemon game is far greater than you think, and goes beyond what most casual players notice. Whether or not fans like it is a different story.
>>271101912 There's a thread on /vp/ and the people there are making comparisons to COD actually. You have to understand that Pokemon is in a position where nothing can ruin them money-wise. They could release hardcore sex in one game and it would still sell. Their invincible.
>>271102402 Pokemon's worse because they both share the same focus on MP-impacting tweaks, and adding new tools for combat, but Pokemon just recycles the same story ad nauseum. COD campaigns are usually a bag of wank, but at least they try and vary their plots, characters, and locales.
Pokemon fans are a little different methinks. I mean yeah containment board, but what I really mean is that a lot more of them in Pokemon stay loyal to it for a long while and treat it more as a hobby.
>>271101912 Pokémon is like an updated version of chess that comes with an happy world full of happy people. A place i don't mind to visit every time.
Call of Duty is a brown and gray shooter where you kill other people online and feel the adrenaline but in reality, it's just artificial because it's identical to many of the other shooters you've experienced before.
>thought I grew up missing something playing Ultima, Everquest, SWG, and everything else. >everyone at school playing pokemon. >finally decide to emulate all the old ones. >get one of each pokemon on my team >nothing ever beats me >game is easy >each game is a small improvement (graphics, more pokemon, more items.) but basically the same game. >just interchange the enemy goal everytime.
Good thing I didnt play them back then, I would of missed a lot of interesting things.
Im not saying CoD is better than Pokemon but its nothing better either.
>>271103037 Pokemon varies its plot as much as CoD. Team Rocket wanted to make money, Team Aqua/Magma wanted to expand the sea/land, Team Galactic wanted to create a new world, Team Plasma wanted to rule by being the only ones with Pokemon and Team Flare wanted to gas all the jews.
If you're going to claim that you have to beat 8 gyms and then face the elite 4, you can claim that CoD always consists of levels that you need to clear one after the other.
>>271101971 Tens of millions of bros would disagree and tell you to grow the fuck up. This is about the time that I hope you realize your opinion, along with theirs, doesn't mean shit to anyone but you/them.
>Be me >Go back and play pokemon on phone emulator for the nostalgia >Play it at 3x speed >Still boring >Entire game consists of mashing A >No thought required >Training 1 pokemon is vastly superior to getting a mixed team >It doesn't even matter what move you use because you still one-shot everything >Absolutely mind-numbing shit
Everyone on /v/ is just a weeaboo so they will suck the dick of anything Japanese designers put out, even if it is the same mind-numbing rehashed shit from 20 years ago.
>>271101912 CoD takes a year to give a 6 hour game and multiplayer with no real particular changes. Pokemon at least gives us a pretty damn long game with multiplayer with an ridiculously expansive meta that changes every single game.
>>271103549 B2/W2 > HG/SS > B/W > E > X/Y > FR/LG > E > G/S/C > R/S > P > Y > R/B > D/P
sinnoh is just the worst region, with the worst new pokemon, with the worst assortment of old pokemon, with the worst gym leaders, and the worst legendaries, and the worst evil team, and the worst story
>>271103724 >Entire game consists of mashing A You've just described nearly every JRPG. Besides Pokemon's strength comes from the fact that it's so easy, you can clear it with nearly any team you can come up with. You can give yourself self-imposed challenges and the game is still possible. The story itself is pretty weak, but Pokemon has something that very few other RPGs have: replay value. If you treat Pokemon as a game that you just have to complete so that you can cross it off your backlog, you'll see that it's a lacklustre RPG with little challenge. If you let yourself be more creative, you can have a lot of fun.
>>271101912 Pokemon gets shit on ALL the time. /vp/ practically hates Game Freak for fucks sake.
Overall I do think that it's easier to hate on CoD because of how big it is. Pokemon, despite being pretty fucking huge, is still fairly niche as far as mainstream shit goes. You're not going to find very many dudebros playing pokemon out in the world.
I personally love the modern games but only because of the online and stream lined breeding. There's something very satisfying about breeding a team of perfect IV/EV pokemon and doing well online. Pokemon X/Y RPG-wise was terrible. The story was short and way too easy. The dungeons required NO thought to go through.
>>271104473 it's essentially a game where you raise monsters, choose their attacks, and have them do shit for you games like ni no kuni and even bomberman tournament have more fleshed out monster systems
>>271104760 IVs, EVs, Natures and items allows you to customise your Pokemon a fair bit in battle. You can have the same Pokemon perform a completely different role based on its moves and stat-spread. You don't exactly need these strategies in-game but you'll need them if you want to do well battling against other players. People seem to forget that the multiplayer aspects is what made Pokemon a worldwide phenomenon, not the single-player aspects (it's a pretty mediocre RPG in terms of single-player stuff).
It is more for what Call of Duty represents rather than what it actually is.
Nobody hates it because it does the same thing over and over again that's dumb. (Although the fanbase is cancerous and the gameplay DOES get a little bit older)
CoD caused a shift in the industry that EVERYTHING had to be CoD. It is still like that. It touts itself as innovative and new to the video game world, and does jack shit to justify the claims.
Pokemon is pretty much aware of what it is. And the industry didn't suddenly turn into pokemon when pokemon was a hit. There hasn't been >10 years of pokemon style games clogging up the industry to appeal to the widest fanbase.
Pokémon has nicer, more memorable music each and every gen compared to CoD. Pokémon currently has 721 choices of party members whereas CoD doesn't have nearly as much weaponry in comparison. CoD has season passes, DLC, different editions and stuff like that all over the place.
Of course, there's new Pokémon games just about every year, but they introduce stuff that changes the experience most of the time like following-Pokémon, battle frontiers, super contests, all the stuff in BW2, mega-evolutions and now flying around the region on Mega Latios/Latias to access new areas. CoD has dogs, machines and...?
>>271109912 The reason I placed 3 at the top there is in great part because of the music. There were tons of memorable tracks, while I remember literally nothing from Gen 5's lineup other than GHETSISGHETSISGHETSIS.
The only good part of pokemon is the music and adventure. The gameplay is complete shit, and if your game relies on meta shit you don't have a well designed game. You designed it for bored autists with nothing better to do than breed their gay little monsters all day and grind.
Call of Duty is pretty stale shit, but at least the campaigns are always exciting and fun, and the multiplayer actually brings the player competition and difficulty. Its a basic game and formula but it works well, Pokemon is just completely boring.
>>271101971 Except it fucking isn't, at it's core the single player is steamrolled by rock-paper-scissors, the same concepts and ideas have been recycled since the very beginning of the series, the game is made to appeal to the most casual of audiences, yearly releases that barely do anything new besides maybe adding a new gimmick etc.
There are tons of reasons for why pokemon should be considered shit, but people will buy them because they're expansion packs, they don't want to feel left out, they HAVE to collect everything, nostalgia, or other bullshit reasons. They're terrible shallow games that are pretty much guilty of everything CoD has been prosecuted for. People's standards are set so low that basic animations and 3D are supposed to be a technical marvel when other games are doing the exact same thing perfectly fine without nearly as many framerate drops. It's to the point where remakes are hype up just about as much as mainline "sequels" which is ridiculous.
Also competitive play is a joke for the most part, people like to pretend that there's TONS of pokemon so no team should be the same! Yet most people's teams either consist of starters, pseudos, and legendaries, or the 30 or so pokemon that are actually viable picks because some of them are so broken that they barely have any method of countering them besides having a specific pokemon.
Pokemon does, a lot. It just isn't as prominent as Cowadoody because cowadoody is played by every 12 year old on the planet whereas the majority of Pokemon players have been playing since gen 1. So it's only natural that cowadoody gets talked about more.
>play blue >all you need is grind charmander to win
>play crystal >all you need is cyndaquil to win
>play ruby >all you need is mudkip to win
>play fire red >all you need is charmander to win
>play diamond >all you need is piplup to win
And that's when I dropped the series. All you need is to grind the starter and maybe get one other guy so you can take on the boss who is the same element as your starter. 7 years later and now people are here getting hyped for 3D models, basic animations, and frame rate drops? I'm glad I dropped this shit series.
>>271110536 Had to look it up again. I guess that one's okay, but it's a bit too upbeat for me. I prefer to have a final battle getting my blood pumping rather than relaxing it. Still better than Alder's, who had the most disappointing Champion theme in the franchise's history. And he was such a bro-tier character, too.
In terms of Champion themes, my picks would be 4>1>3>2>6>5II>5I
Mainly it's the audience. All the frat bros talk about how great CoD is so when the average /v/ faggot comes home they are already fuming about CoD and how it gets unneeded praise. One mention and /v/ goes into orbit.
If Pokemon were liked by frat fags and given perfect scores by western "gaming news" sites, /v/ would shit on it all the time too.
>>271111098 The most "efficient" way to play pokemon is to grab one or two fast or bulky pokemon that learn swords dance (or nasty plot, but that's more rare) at a low level. Boost at the start of any remotely hard looking battle and one hit kill everything. This means ditch your starter at level 15 or so.
Excadrill breaks gen 5 ingame as much as it did competitively.
Or if you're playing red, just get a slowbro with amnesia and enjoy facerolling the elite four at level 45.
>>271111040 I disliked the Plasma theme for the first BW. Too...poppy? I dunno how to describe it. Sounds like a ton of little pops among something softer, so it clashes to me. BW2 improved it. Couldn't remember the Gym Leader's theme at all. Maybe in part because of the last Pokemon shit, but again, it just sounds too soft. It's nice, yes, but it doesn't stick in my head like past gen's music, you know? The legendary music's pretty good, though. But in my case I guess it slipped my mind because it mocked me SO GODDAMN MUCH while I was trying to get a good Victini... Repeating it endlessly got on my nerves, so it's my own fault there.
>>271112040 Why you acting like you got the perfect response nigga? the game is so easy that you can beat it with 1 dude, it's not "fun" to pick up 5 other pokemon and then grind their levels and then use them (for no fucking reason because you don't have to actually do this to win the game)
how is that fun? how is it "boring yourself" to win the game with 1 pokemon if you can? sounds like the game is just shitty if you can beat the whole thing basically without even trying.
>>271112282 Who said any of that? Competitive CoD past 2 or 3 is also a joke. And yeah, CoD even today is probably more suited to competitive play than pokemon is because EVERY SINGLE MOVE IN POKEMON IS RNG-BASED.
EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.
TAKE THIS FROM A NIGGER WHO PLAYED "COMPETITIVELY" FOR 12 MONTHS AND REACHED TOP 300 ON THE SMOGON LADDER FOR THE LAST 3 MONTHS OF HIS CAREER;
>>271112040 What does that have to do with anything? So it's actually better to just gimp yourself and "pretend" that the game has any sort of challenge because it's supposed to be fun? You could beat the game as slowly as possible and it doesn't make a bit of difference, just because you realize you don't have to play the game like a complete retard doesn't mean you're speedrunning the game. It just means the game is poorly designed and after regurgitating the same shit over 10 times it's easy to see how flawed and void of difficulty the main game is.
>>271112509 I should mention I was on the smogon OU ladder as well, so I was literally best in the fucking world on this stupid shit & I am telling you it is a garbage game with a garbage meta [every single generation, the meta is garbage, doesn't matter if you are playing 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6; all the metagames are boring garbage in their own ways].
>>271103037 Who plays CoD for the story? I'm seriously asking because you'd have to completely lack self awareness to enjoy them beyond a Mystery Science Theater 3000 pisstake.
CoD really exists to justify its mulitplayer mode... and I don't know how that is seeing as I've never played it myself, but footage paints it as frantic and meaningless. Everyone dies in one shot on really tiny maps.
-Make it harder -Make supereffective attacks do less than 2x damage so that the game is not a glorified version of rock paper scissors -An endgame area where Pokemon can be trained extremely quickly so people can train to level 100 in less than 10 hours -More places to explore in endgame
>>271112997 >-Make it harder Ok, How? >-Make supereffective attacks do less than 2x damage so that the game is not a glorified version of rock paper scissors Suddenly, All bulky Pokemon run supreme and Stall takes over. >-An endgame area where Pokemon can be trained extremely quickly so people can train to level 100 in less than 10 hours For what purpose would anyone need to get to level 100 in a hurry? >-More places to explore in endgame I take it that XY is your 1st Pokemon game?
>>271112997 >-Make supereffective attacks do less than 2x damage so that the game is not a glorified version of rock paper scissors I'm the competitive smogon guy, guess what you just did? You just broke the fucking game.
With weak super effective attacks, boosting now becomes not only the norm but the mandatory strat. Baton pass will come back into full force. Also Mega Mence is even more broken than he is now, with absolutely nothing being able to stop him (literally nothing will stop him, it's not an exaggeration at all to say this).
>>271112509 >EVERY SINGLE MOVE IN POKEMON IS RNG-BASED Right, like tackling someone irl is going to hurt the exact same amount every time. I see no issues with this, especially considering that the metagame today is all about maintaining an entry hazard monopoly and OHKOing everything. >>271112630 The point is that even in the original games you had 150 critters you could play with. It boggles my mind that even now, when there's over 700 of the little bastards that you'd want to limit yourself to just one, doing the same thing over and over AND OVER again. You clearly don't understand how to get the most out of a game.
>>271113454 >Right, like tackling someone irl is going to hurt the exact same amount every time. ??? Doesn't matter what happens in real life. Point still stands, the whole game is RNG-based. Random shit is not healthy for competitive environments. Random shit will propel worse players over better players. And in pokemon it's so obnoxious that it's actually consistently that way. Or to put it more accurately, the mos skilled player will not float to the top consistently, he will be put down by random game mechanics and hindered in this way. It's not a competitive game.
And you're wrong, the "metagame" today is all about putting Mega Salamence on the field.
>>271101912 Is anyone accusing AW of being to samey? >>271102601 Because one is for kids who think they are adults and the other is made for adults who think they are kids Is that what you meant? >>271103163 Not counting remakes, excluding Gen 6: 3 > 2 > 5 > 1 > 4
>>271113862 1 is a terrible game that only sold by virtue of being on the Game Boy. You have to have some Nostalgia Blinds to enjoy the game. 2 improves on most of 1's vast array of technical flaws while adding a lot of content. 3 is the game that perfected Pokemon and made it the standardized game we enjoy today.
>>271113235 >Ok, How? I don't know, make Gym Leaders and trainers stronger? Inb4 you can just grind. >Suddenly, All bulky Pokemon run supreme and Stall takes over. I never bothered with competitive Pokemon because of how much effort it takes to get into. Which leads to the next point. >For what purpose would anyone need to get to level 100 in a hurry? To get into competitive play quicker? I didn't even mention getting IVs and egg moves. >I take it that XY is your 1st Pokemon game? No I've played since Gen 1, I still want more to do.
>>271113536 Right, so you call Smogon boring when Smogon (in the past) simply banned outrageous shit so that the entire game wouldn't be Garchomp vs. Excadrill every game? You can always tell if someone hasn't played a single fucking day of competitive pokemon when they say shit as ignorant as what you are spouting. Without Smogon rules, every game would be Excadrill Scizor Garchomp, WITH NO VARIATION WHATSOEVER. These pokemon are (were) simply BETTER than others and if you don't use them YOU ARE BAD AND WILL LOSE.
Smogon today is fucking shit because they went ban-happy over menial shit, but in generations 4 and 5 they were only fostering a healthier competitive environment. It is a fucking fact that excadrill in the gen 5 meta was too fucking strong with permanent sand storm, if you were never a serious battler I wouldn't expect you to understand that; you should shut your fucking mouth though with your silly ignorance.
>>271114181 >I don't know, make Gym Leaders and trainers stronger? Inb4 you can just grind. You can give them all the tools in the world and they will still be shit. >I never bothered with competitive Pokemon because of how much effort it takes to get into. Which leads to the next point. Ingame or competitive, lowering the damage of super effective moves will bring more harm than good. >To get into competitive play quicker? I didn't even mention getting IVs and egg moves. You don't need to grind to 100 for online play. >No I've played since Gen 1, I still want more to do. Like what we had in BW and BW2?
>>271112617 - There's only a handful of good Pokemon in gen 5, imo. We got some awesome ones like Galvantula and Darmanitan, but then there's crap like Sawk, Vanilluxe, and Cobalion. - Infinite TMs is great, I'll give you that. But it also makes HMs kinda crap in that you still need a Move Deleter. - I'll argue with you here. Very few of the characters were actually good. N? Yes. Cheren and Bianca? Okay. Ghetsis? ...Possibly. But the Gym Leaders? Nope. Marlon, Roxie, the Trio, Elesa, Clayton, etc. do fuck all. You fight them, and that's it. Maybe one or two open a path for you. The Seven Sages, Shadow Triad, and Hugh were also all equally shallow. If you want characterization, I cite gen 4 as having done it better. The Gym Leaders aren't just roadblocks, they're actually people with lives that you meet while you're travelling. Well, okay, only in Platinum. As for the music, I've already said my piece. It's mostly a lot softer than past soundtracks, and nothing really stood out for me personally.
>>271114102 Spoken like a true faggot. He exists on simulators and it doesn't matter which rule set or metagame you use (if any at all), Mega Mence will dominate. It's not a prediction it's a fucking fact. Once Mence is released in the "real game" you will see very quickly that anyone in 1v1 battles who doesn't use Mence loses automatically, it is easily the most broken pokemon Gamefreak has ever released aside from 600+ BST legendaries.
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