>hipsters: games should be art >public: okay but we'll be criticizing them from now on >hipsters: ok >womyn: WOW DID YOU SEE THAT GUY BACK THERE? HE JUST SAID FAGGOT! MISOGYNY! HARASSMENT! >gamer: I-- what? I have nothing to do with that guy. >trolls: HAHA WOMEN SHOULD DIE FAGGOT NIGGER CUNT!!! WOMEN ARE FAGGOTS!!! ILL KILL YOU!! >womyn: OMFG!!!! GAMERS ARE DEAD!!!!
>retards who think social criticism and aesthetic criticism are the same thing I wish someone would do more than make empty threats, you idiots are some of the most vomit-inducing pseudo-intellectuals that the world has ever seen. Any true intellectual or aesthete would scorn your moralistic brow-beating that you try to dress up as "criticism".
>>270394603 >Everybody wants games to be considered art >Everybody doesn't want "social analysis"
What a convenient picture this guy is painting. Thankfully its totally impossible for such a large group of people to have differing opinions on the matter - that would completely blow his shitty argument out of the water. It isn't like the only people circlejerk over games are art are the ones who want to spew their bullshit criticisms - no that would be ridiculous. Actually I do believe video games are an artform/medium in which art can exist but very few games are elevated to the level of art. These people don't seem to understand the fact that I have no problem with video games being criticized, I have a problem with the dishonest manner in which they are criticized by these social justice fools and I am frustrated that a good majority of people eat this shit up. GG as a movement is fucking silly as all hell but these fucking assholes are literally scum that don't even bat an eye when their glorious matriarch claims in all seriousness that mass shootings are caused by masculine toxicity. These people are fucked in the head
>>270397181 >Actually I do believe video games are an artform/medium in which art can exist but very few games are elevated to the level of art. >>270396917 >Roger Ebert was literally right about games not being art >>270396181 >Except games aren't art,
Just going to go ahead and post some quotes by Milo, hero of Gamergate, who was actually trying to get games banned
>So ignore the shoddy, opportunistic posturing from feminists about Rodger’s crimes. It’s the blurring of fantasy and reality in today’s video game-obsessed young men that’s the real enemy. If there’s a cultural milieu that contributed to the creation of Elliot Rodger, it was that of nihilistic video games, not the myth of patriarchal oppression.
>Counterstrike, which together with Halo and the ubiquitous World of Warcraft are mentioned frequently in Rodger’s manifesto, is the classic frustrated sociopath’s pastime.
>I understand why young people might get the odd thrill from beating up a bad guy, or catching a glimpse of a nipple or two. But there’s something a bit tragic, isn’t there, about men in their thirties hunched over a controller whacking a helmeted extraterrestrial? I’m in my late twenties, and even I find it sad. And yet there are so many of them – enough to support a multi-billion dollar video games industry. That’s an awful lot of unemployed saddos living in their parents’ basements.
Why is it that the anons that ignored the GG threads decided to act like shitposting 12 year old and force the tumblr movement when it was unanimously decided (by Moot because he didn't know shit) that everyone just wanted to ignore the whole movement
they never put in the 3 minutes to read the reason why we did it. they just like to shitpost. everyday about this
also 4+4chan is still fueling this so stop acting like this is dead. Every comic artist is gong to make a statement about this and soon everyone and your grandmothers will know and take the radical SJW side
now saying they are all radical but they are absolutely hiding behind the actual concerns and movement to fund their agenda.
>>270397747 He's just an idiot trying to push an agenda to turn people against video games by dehumanizing the people who play them. It's an incredibly dirty tactic but not a new one. If you say something is bad enough times without any real facts idiots will believe it, and idiots are louder and angrier.
>>270395123 >I believe there should be a variety in games to match the variety of gamers
I believe companies are going to make whatever the fuck makes money and you can fuck yourself right off telling companies what they should do. They aren't going to fucking listen to a bunch of fat SJW whores who don't even play video games. People who make stupid images like this should spend less time being whiny bitches towards an amorphous "game dev community" which consists of people who are just trying to make money, and spend more time telling their fat SJW friends to get interested in games so that they can create a sizable enough demographic for themselves to actually get companies interested in their dollars.
>>270398036 >Champion Milo as a figurehead of the movement >Milo's first article is about "feminist bullies" >Milo tweets about how "dykes are disgusting" >Milo tweets about beating fat women to death in Postal 2 >WHY ARE YOU GUYS SAYING ITS ABOUT FEMINISM??
>>270398086 >Muh idealistic society Most people in their 20's are also living at home more than they used to, but of course people will try to shame them as lazy and not just incapable of living on their own with the housing market.
>>270396487 I don't think many SJWs want to censor video games, they just want all video games to have their values. The main exception I can think of being Japanese games with loli, but that's not what most SJWs complain about.
>>270394603 Good, let them turn a critical eye on games. Just like any other type of art, there is nothing thats stopping games from being filled with violence, sex and all the other bullshit feminists complain about right now. Now its completely fine because its art.
Because instead of critics we have moral police who think that anything that doesn't fall into a narrow line of political correctness and sterile inoffensiveness should be gotten rid of for the good of society.
>>270397157 Because a meritocratic system like laissez-faire economics is anathema to the dumb, entitled millennials who worship at the altar of critical theory.
You have to remember that these people blame all their failings on perceived oppression, so that they don't have to confront what a sad sack of shit they are. The idea of being judged for their inherent, individual value is the worst thing that could happen to them.
There's a tweet from Zoe in that image wizardchan made to exonerate themselves that pretty hilariously illustrates the typical view these people have toward the idea of merit.
>Sentinel Media is said to owe at least £10,000 more to other former contributors and co-founders, and other sums to photographers who said Yiannopoulos, its editor-in-chief, used their work on The Kernel without permission or payment.
>Two other former writers, Margot Huysman and Mic Wright, say they are still waiting for a balance of about £4,000 each to be paid. Yiannopoulos paid each of them about £1,000 at the end of October and, they say, promised further payments each month – but those were not forthcoming. When Huysman complained of the non-payment on Twitter, he sent her emails saying “You’ve already made yourself permanently unemployable in London with your hysterical, brainless tweeting, by behaving like a common prostitute and after starting a war with me, as perhaps you are now discovering” and implying he had a salacious picture of her from a party that he would publish if she persisted in complaining.
And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved
SJW's: We want games with more sexual/racial diversity and non- stereotypical female characters!
EXCEPT FOR HATRED AND THE WORD "TRAP" IN JAPANESE GAMES AND GIRLS WHO ARE SEXUALIZED IN ANY WAY AND ANYONE WHO ISN'T AN ARYAN MAN BEING TREATED LESS THAN A GOLD STAR PRINCESS. WE WILL THREATEN YOU WITH VIOLENCE IF YOU DON'T CHANGE, but we won't include that in our cute little comic on tumblr remember to reblog :)
>What does this story have to do with GamerGate? When I realized Locke was Zoe, I was disgusted to see she was still playing the same games. Stealing, cheating, lying and claiming to be victimized by anyone and everyone. Maybe she did stab some guy in the face, and maybe in the first week at every new job she had, some guy tried to extort sex from her. Maybe that doesn't establish an MO on her part. But I know, I did nothing wrong to that woman, and I did not deserve to be lied about. I did not deserve to have my time and my money wasted, and even now, I wonder if opening my mouth about this means she will think of some new horse shit to spread about me to try to ruin my career. And that does seem to be her modus operandi.
>>270398465 >I don't think many SJWs want to censor video games, they just want all video games to have their values Read this sentence you wrote over and over again until you realize what you just said.
If anyone actually has a problem with Anita and her ilk expressing their (incredibly stupid) opinions, I think they're kind of misguided. I think games, as the product of a creative medium, are art, and always have been, and yeah, that opens them up to criticism.
The problem seems to be that critics do not want discussion. People like Anita want to criticize games and do a terrible job of it, which is fine, but when someone expresses their opinion and says "hey that's wrong", it's seen as neckbearded manchildren who are afraid of women in their vidya.
Everything is constantly clouded by these accusations of harassment. Whenever someone tries to give a criticism that doesn't fall in line with the opinions of the weird little cliquish group at the center of games criticism right now, they are branded as part of some sort of hate movement. It's misdirection, but it's hard to ignore because there ARE people doing harassing, and everyone who is uninitiated just jumps to the side of what is most easily identifiable as right (sexism and harassing is wrong, even if that's not really what the other side was talking about).
I guess my point is, yes, if someone is seriously mad that games are facing critique, they're stupid. But propping up a politically-based narrative and attacking any dissenters with misdirection and shaming isn't discussion, it's fucking propaganda.
>>270399846 What? All people on /v/ want video games to have their values, saying it should be focused on gameplay and not have liberal messages in them. That doesn't mean /v/ wants to censor video games.
>>270399948 I don't care that the criticize I care how they criticize. Anita straight up lies, cherrypicks, and straight up misrepresents the games she complains about. It wouldn't be much a big deal if she wasn't a dishonest sensationalist attention whore.
>>270400164 And it's fine for you to feel that way. I mean, you disagree, so of course you don't want her opinions to have sway.
We have to let her express those opinions though, and let other people decide which is more valid. And yeah, that regrettably ends up with a lot of people picking her bullshit side. But the only thing we can do is better present our argument and hopefully actually affect enough people ourselves that we can turn the tide.
The only thing that really upsets me is the amount of misdirection and shaming employed in this debate. They are completely right in saying Anita should be allowed to express her opinions, however shitty, without being harassed for them, but then they make it absolutely terrifying to try to express any opposing opinions by instantly equating this person with this big bad bigot boogeyman that hates the person instead of just her ideas.
>>270400809 People do that in virtually any debate, though. Our goal should be to expose those fallacies. And I know people have tried to and have been met with "you're just SEXIST!!!", which is incredibly frustrating, but we just have to keep refining our argument and exposing her bad logic and hopefully our less stupid opinions will eventually reach enough people to knock some of the wind out of this weird clique's sails.
We just gotta out-debate them. Nothing else we can do about it.
>Forbes: Is it safe to assume that Nick Denton influenced you?
>MY: Absolutely. Gawker’s politics and business model are very different to ours, but I admire Nick enormously. He’s managed to build a profitable new media property from scratch, which is just extraordinary. And, more than that, Gawker is a powerful editorial force and a cultural icon. That’s what I’m most in awe of.
>>270400924 No. Infact I'm a living breathing human that thinks you're full of shit and cannot operate on your own without your queen anita to tell you right from wrong and you reinforce your mindset by getting into small circles with your friends and patting each other on the back.
I genuinely fucking dislike anyone that acts like you who cannot comprehend that there are others that have been able to escape the indoctrinating courses you take in uni to the webcomics you read.
even if you are just baiting me I hope this is seen so those shitheads that took our moot away from us can see how poisonous the world will see them
>>270400496 what retarded shit are you on about? to have this thread created twice already, but other threads get taken down that even come close to being about gamer gate get taken down, goes to show how fucked moot is and how fucked this website is. fuck the mods, fuck moot, and fuck these tumblr white knights and feminazis that are running the show here. enjoy sucking their assholes clean of their shit.
>>270399948 >I think they're kind of misguided You're the one misguided here, and I don't mean that in a disparaging way. You're on the right path, you just haven't thought about this enough.
You're right that Anita and her ilk have the right to express their incredibly stupid opinions, but it's important that you recognize these opinions for what they are: moralistic browbeating. It's not "criticism". There's a fine line between criticizing art and attacking it, and declaring a game to be "misogynistic", and thereby dangerous, very clearly crosses that line.
The worrying thing isn't that these people are expressing their terrible, pro-censor opinions, it's that they're doing so and are still being treated as authorities. Don't recognize these people as bad critics, recognize them as nothing more than intellectually impotent idiots.
>tfw gamergate discussion is banned, but SJWs and goons now run amok and are free to make /v/-antagonizing threads as they please, slowly eating away at the fabric of the board, and we can't address it
Games are art. They have always been art. It doesn't necessarily mean they're 'high' art or 'low' art. That depends on the game and a point of view. And it doesn't mean they have to pander to the SJW worldview or any other worldview for that matter. SJWs aren't criticizing and demanding change from games because they're suddenly considered art, anymore than they're criticizing and demanding change of 'street harassment' because it was suddenly considered art.
They're doing it because they really don't like it when other people like things that they don't like, even when it doesn't violate the non-aggression principle. So they whine and cry and complain and shame and slutwalk to get their way. They're adult children.
>>270394603 You just made this thread faggot. Also, art is above any censorship and to complain that art refuses to change due to your criticism is just as stupid as complaining that the criticism is bad.
>>270402278 That's RMD or Commissioner Red, you may know him as the fatass who fell playing DDR. He is a troll who was permabanned from /sp/ years ago and has been banned on /wooo/. He now trolls on Reddit.
>>270399846 They don't want to censor you, they want you to censor yourself. It's actually a lot worse that way, because they'll paint you as a villain while trying to ruin your career instead of being upfront about it.
If games are to be considered art, you can critique it any way you want but the videogames they consider mysoginystic is only their interpretation of the message the artist tried to convey with the use of ass and tittays. The artists are free to do whatever they want. If they listened to SJWs we wouldn't have half the nude paitings/sculptures we have today.
>>270401557 I'm not even the same guy, Anon. It's just that your post was extremely disconnected from what you were replying to or logic within even itself. I mean, I support gg and I couldn't even tell whether you are an anti-gg calling gg tumblr or some shit. It really did look like a bot post. Your valiant efforts are a shining beacon for us all, but you seem to be overworked and in need of some rest.
>>270397157 >Words like "self-confidence," "self-reliance," "initiative", "enterprise," "optimism," etc. play little role in the liberal and leftist vocabulary. The leftist is anti-individualistic, pro-collectivist. He wants society to solve everyone's needs for them, take care of them. He is not the sort of person who has an inner sense of confidence in his own ability to solve his own problems and satisfy his own needs. The leftist is antagonistic to the concept of competition because, deep inside, he feels like a loser.
Most people who resort to modelling do so because they lack any real skills and they're not smart enough to learn any. Unfortunately a lot of pretty average people think they're cut out to be a model because they're not cut out to be anything else.
I know a girl who wants to be a model. She's average at best but spends a shit load of money on photographers to take pictures of and photoshop her. To this day she's never had a modelling job.
>>270401186 But how can we argue with or against people who drink up her message wholesale especially when she's bastardizing concepts as simple as the third person effect.
I mean she literally said that the more you believe media doesnt effect you the more it does while invoking the TPE as evidence when a key component of TPE is that awareness making people more critical of what they consume and fighting against any messages that media tries to peddle them. This is common sense yet she doesnt lose any credibility and her ilk just lap it up. What are you supposed to do against such a massive wall of ignorance. It feels absolutely hopeless.
>>270402780 I want to debate her so bad. Having a 25 yr old NEET to debunk her fallacious reasoning and strawmen would ruin her.
I would be nice and actually agree with her feminist opinions, and show what a one sided pundit she actually is. She was a feminist in the beginning, but the money got way to great NOT to pander to radicals.
Why do people give GG any attention? It's not a protest movement, or a sign of everything wrong with video game culture today...it's just a bunch of morons being stupid. Ignore them and eventually they'll die of stupidity.
I mean, I understand Vox sticking up for their corporate siblings at Polygon but why is New York Magazine giving these idiots unwarranted attention?
Would you consider the Nazi practice of labeling modern art pieces as "degenerate" as unethical?
Now obviously some dipshit at Polygon doesn't have a modicum of the authority that the Nazi regime had. They're not confiscating video games and arresting the devs. I'm essentially comparing a bank heist to shoplifting here.
But shoplifting is still stealing, and what Polygon is doing is still attacking a game and implying that it is dangerous, degenerate and unfit for civilized society.
But even if you don't consider that unethical, it is very clearly anti-aesthetic.
Also, they don't want games in the first place, they want to complain about games. It's a group that doesn't play videogames telling companies to make games they won't buy, and telling gamers they have to play games explicitly designed not to appeal to them.
>>270403620 >>270403620 I do kind of want to sit down and have lunch with Saarkeesian. Some kind of innocuous place where we can just talk about the issue like civilized people. Then again theres absolutely noting to ensure I would get her true opinions.
Allow me to enlighten you to the real goal of these feminists.
But first I have to explain the difference between equal opportunity, and equal outcome. Equal opportunity is letting anyone take part in a marathon. Equal outcome is expecting everyone to finish at the same time.
Equal opportunity exists and is protected by the law. Equal outcome is retarded and will never happen.
What feminists want is equal outcome, not equal opportunity. They expect the results of everything to be equal because if not it's sexist. If for example a man gets a job instead of a woman, it's sexist because if a man can get the job a woman should too. What they ignore is that the man was probably more qualified and/or experienced and the better candidate for the job.
>>270404008 They see changing the media as a tool for social conditioning. They want to change the way that games are made, because they believe that in conjunction with changes in other art forms, it will change how women are perceived in real life.
>>270395123 Dumb picture. If the creator believes games should be made in variety and not for one demographic, why can't games that please misogynists exist? Games which, in reality, don't even exist yet.
>Because I believe in equality. Ah, the creator is a faggot libtard. Makes sense now.
>>270402897 >They don't want to censor you, they want you to censor yourself. Again, reread the sentence you just wrote.
They only reason they aren't boldly declaring for actual censorship is because they know that's a battle they can't win. I guarantee you that these people would shed no tears if the government began censoring media wholly in their favor.
GamerGate has basically turned into a shit flinging war at this point. Picture related is what both sides of GamerGate look like.
Not long ago, I looked on Twitter and several GamerGate related websites (including boards on that other chan website). 95% of what people talk about in relation to GamerGate is negative. They focus on trying to remove problem websites and people.
So I asked them, where is the focus on supporting and promoting good video game journalism. The most common response I got was "fuck off shill" and "sage".
This is in a nutshell GamerGate right now. GamerGate might have been good at once point in the past, but now it's about arguing with SJWs on the internet and if you don't agree with everything they say you are against them.
Really, it's the same shit as any other kind of for-profit woo. Same true-believer mentality, same insular structure where only the believers have a voice, same appeals to guilt and a desire for meaning overriding critical thought, same donate-for-salvation conmanship, different target audience. Anita is a 21st-century Peter Popoff for liberals.
>>270404351 I have had friends tell me that they dislike how Game Journalists have been acting for the last few months now, but are too afraid to show support for #GG, be it just by posting on their dumblrs or twitters. I think they're afraid of losing followers or some shit, fuck if I know how Social media works.
Bottom line is, I feel that this is something a lot of people don't seem to like in game journalism, but are just too afraid to speak up about it.
They don't even want that. They want to be the only ones that finish and trample over everyone else that runs the race. They don't even want to do it on their own talent, they want these people to lay down and be trampled.
>socjus gets introduced into the comic world >all creativity died >sales are plummeting >dc and marvel can only survive because they make more cash with movies and merchandise anyway >same shit happens currently to tabletop games and sci-fi/fantasy literature
Say, why don't you want some SocJus in your gaming, anon?
Art constantly changes definition to appease it's buyer.
Typically art is whatever rich faggots use to create a cultural distinction between themselves and the lower class, like bohemian culture.
Right now Art can't serve any particular purpose except invoke feelings and shitty modern art doesn't even need to do that.
These faggots are going by the "hidden motive" concept where they believe every art piece has a definite form of symbolism or is a form of criticism of something which is why they force shit like Bioshocks weak "Ann Ryand was a bitch" philosophy spewing or shit like gone homes "Muh lesbians you'll never understand 2deep4u" shit.
>>270402897 >They don't want to censor you, they want you to censor yourself. It's actually a lot worse that way, because they'll paint you as a villain while trying to ruin your career instead of being upfront about it. >Abloo abloo, my mom is making me clean up my toys >SHE'S CENSORING ME
>>270401764 I don't disagree with you, but I think it doesn't really change what I said.
The most offensive of her arguments, and the one you seem focused on, is that a game can be harmful. Essentially, that misogyny in a game can cause its player to be misogynistic. And I agree, that line of reasoning is completely wrong and entirely unfounded in anything but feelings. But it's STILL just an opinion from a critic, even if it is an opinion that would damage the artform as a whole if instituted as some sort of rule.
I'm not saying her opinions should be given any credence, I'm just saying she should be allowed to say them, and people should be allowed to either agree or disagree with them. If a lot of people agree with a really, really dumb opinion, well, that's indicative of a larger problem. But to say she SHOULD NOT be able to express that opinion because it's based in a moralistic, political form of reasoning sort of uses her own logic. She thought dangerous games should be banned, and we think that idea is dangerous so... we ban discussion of it?
It's a tricky territory, and I know they're not playing fair by pulling out stupid misogyny cards to try to prop up their terrible arguments, but playing by their rules is going to convince no one. If one side is playing with facts and the other with bad substanceless ideas, one side is at a clear advantage and hopefully neutral parties, once they're properly informed, won't buy into the bullshit. But if we start trying to put a gag on her opinions, it becomes censorship vs censorship, which isn't going to convince anyone of anything. Everyone will just stay on their sides and nothing will be accomplished.
We can't just beat her. There's a thousand more Anitas waiting in the wings. We have to beat her in the right way. We have to prove her IDEAS wrong, not try to stop her expression of them.
Holy fuck games ARE art though. This isn't even up for discussion, games are art by definition. The majority of gamers would have agreed with this sentiment even decades ago. These fuckheads are the slow ones that need to catch up. An "art game" without gameplay isn't "subversive", it's bullshit and it's been done plenty of fucking times in the past. Gamers are more than ready, and have been since gaming began, to call games "art".
Why do these pretentious "progressive" fuckheads have to police and piss all over every hobby they touch?
I wonder what would have been the mass reaction if a woman wrote an emotional blog post about how her indie-dev boyfriend had cheated on, lied to and abused her. Same result, do you think? Lots of tweets from Anita's chums about how it's no-one's business buy his own and a massive Patreon drive?
>>270405246 you mean nobody posts in your threads and they get pruned. its cool you can pretend to derail this one noone cares anyway. this is all just to prove that gamergate can survive a discussion of gamergate and the quickest way to get rid of gamergate is to discuss gamergate
Let's be realistic here. Pulling ads from places like Gawker is not achieving anything but making a few SJWs mad.
Gawker make an estimated $2+ million A DAY. Pulling ads might make them mad because no one likes losing money (especially jews), but let's face it, even if they lose a few hundred thousand dollars, that's nothing compared to how much they make.
But you're completely free to call critiques from a feminist viewpoint a load of moronic bullshit that exists to sucker in idiots to avoid starving yet another day with your worthless degree. I don't get it.
>>270405838 This have been circulating in neogaf for a while kid, nobody cares, Milo made investigations for gamergate, trying to make character assassination againts him is proving that those investigations are causing panic. He can be a pedo for all i care.
>>270405283 Silly anon, women can't abuse men. I actually think Eron is telling the truth but all the shit Zoe got was totally unwarranted and driven by sexism. There are proper ways to handle these things and doxxing isn't one of them.
A lot of them are still fucking mad. Brianna literally Wu, right after her segments with Huffington and MSNBC, stated Intel should continue ads on gamasutra. That was like several weeks after Intel left Gamasutra.
It may not be a lot, but it's definitely a lot more hilarious.
>>270406295 Isnt that the same guy who wrote some blog about being a cuck? and everyone said not your personal army and laughed at him and didnt start a hate club to stalk and frame his ex girlfriend? yeah noone would ever be able to make him look like a loser.
>>270403463 I agree it is sad how easily we fall for this shit. I mean, like you said, she isn't even manipulating WELL, she's just obviously twisting things into half-truths and riding on a Jack Thompson-esque wave of emotions and gut feelings to an audience who agreed with her before she said a single word.
And maybe it isn't possible to convince some of the people engulfed in the weird little clique at the center of this. Maybe they're just too used to seeing it in the way they do. Maybe the goal should be just presenting the best argument we can so the more undecided parties can see our line of reasoning, compare it to the opposition's, and realize we make more sense.
I know that's an optimistic way to look at it. These people misdirect so often because it WORKS. The audience they're preaching to is swayed by arguments that are essentially: >Person A: I think that [blank]. >Person B: What? No, [blank] is wrong. >Person A: Only people who hate Person A's think [blank] is wrong, you bigot!!! Yeah, it's frustrating and frankly scary how effective their shitty, thinly veiled manipulation is.
But there's nothing to do but keep trying.
Don't let them beat you with such bullshit. You just have to keep presenting your argument, and continually refining it, until hopefully their supporters scratch their heads and dwindle away.
I know two people personally who were extremely pro-Anita who have slowly gone through the stages of "anti-Anita is evil" to "anti-Anita is mostly bad" to "the bad minority of people against Anita outweighs any good points they have" to "wow i did not understand this thing at all when I started." One of them has backed out of the discussion altogether and the other has actually talking against Anita and co. It's small progress, but people's minds ARE being changed.
>>270406158 Criticisms generally hinge around the idea that the concept is generating negative behavior or reinforcing degenerate ideas, anon.
Also, few people are condemning creators based on their work. Creators in film and canvas and music have all come forward to discuss their more negatively charged work. Even Comic Book artists have discussed why their comics feature rape scenes and other sexually violent segments in one way or another, offering appropriate and acceptable answers.
Suggesting game creators are not capable of the same behavior is infantilizing and unfounded.
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